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[quote=Ruhskins;1342325]Well maybe some people may get their wish:

[url]https://twitter.com/JoshGerben/status/1661392059813470208[/url]

Although I see this reverting back to the Washington Football Team I guess.

Also, this is the type of shit the new ownership probably doesn't want to go through in rebranding.[/quote]

Sounds like normal legal back and forth that should be resolved easily enough

What are the Commanders' next steps?

As for the "Commanders' Classic" registration, the team can:

➡️ file a response, arguing that a NFL team is unlikely to be confused with a single college game.

➡️ attempt to buy out the rights or sign a co-existence agreement.

I believe the Washington Commanders will be able to work through these issues.

It is likely the USPTO will drop the refusal due to the "Commander's Classic" trademark if a good legal argument is submitted.

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[quote=MTK;1342327]Sounds like normal legal back and forth that should be resolved easily enough[/quote]

I read more into the thread and you are correct. And again, this shows the huge lift that is changing the name and it is something that I'm pretty sure the Harris team doesn't want to deal with.

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Nicki Jhabvala on Twitter

The USPTO has denied the trademark application for the NFL's Washington Commanders.

On May 18th, the USPTO issued the denial citing two reasons.

1⃣ An existing trademark for "Commanders' Classic."
2⃣ Pending applications filed by a DC-area man.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1342331]Nicki Jhabvala on Twitter

The USPTO has denied the trademark application for the NFL's Washington Commanders.

On May 18th, the USPTO issued the denial citing two reasons.

1⃣ An existing trademark for "Commanders' Classic."
2⃣ Pending applications filed by a DC-area man.[/quote]

For all of those wanting another name change

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1342332]For all of those wanting another name change[/quote]

You should probably read more into that Twitter thread (which I didn't initially). It sounds like it won't be much of an issue.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1342331]Nicki Jhabvala on Twitter

The USPTO has denied the trademark application for the NFL's Washington Commanders.

On May 18th, the USPTO issued the denial citing two reasons.

1⃣ An existing trademark for "Commanders' Classic."
2⃣ [B]Pending applications filed by a DC-area man[/B].[/quote]

I wonder if he is a fan of this team. This would have been a savvy move by a fan who doesn't want the team to be named Commanders.

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[quote=GridIron26;1342334]I wonder if he is a fan of this team. This would have been a savvy move by a fan who doesn't want the team to be named Commanders.[/quote]

It's this guy

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/how-trademark-squatter-could-actually-speed-washingtons-name-change[/url]

He's a TM squatter

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Should have never changed the name period

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This is beyond comedy at this point.

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[QUOTE]@JPFinlay
Speaking w @JoshGeren on Commanders trademark issues: "I understand this looks to be very on brand with the team as far as things not going correctly, but for the trademark process, this is not abnormal...It's a very crowded system to try to get things through."

@BenStandig
From a Commanders spokesperson: "The trademark office’s recent nonfinal office action is an ordinary course step in the standard trademark registration process. We will respond to the Trademark Office’s office action and are confident that our registration will be issued."[/QUOTE]

Sounds like a nothing burger in the end.

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LOL copium from those who love to tow the Snyder/corporate line. Fact is, that the name Commanders was chosen as Snyder's pet name, Wolves was not chosen "because of potential trademark issues" now Commanders faces it, and of course it's no big deal.

I stand by my bet that the new ownership group will want to get rid of this albatross of a name within the first two years. Moving back to the WFT would be better than leaving little Napoleon's pet name in place.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1342351][B]LOL copium from those who love to tow the Snyder/corporate line.[/B] Fact is, that the name Commanders was chosen as Snyder's pet name, Wolves was not chosen "because of potential trademark issues" now Commanders faces it, and of course it's no big deal.

I stand by my bet that the new ownership group will want to get rid of this albatross of a name within the first two years. Moving back to the WFT would be better than leaving little Napoleon's pet name in place.[/quote]

I don't really understand what you mean by this.

My opinion that the name is not going to change and it is not a priority for the new ownership is based on information reported by Keim in his podcast and [URL="https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/37661016/josh-harris-sees-commanders-windfall-dan-snyder"]his story with Seth Wickerham about the prospectus document created by Harris Blitzer Sports & Entertainment[/URL].

Based on this document, they plan to spend $80 million dollars in stadium upgrades (videoboards/locker rooms etc., etc.), they estimate needing to make $100 million dollars in stadium structural update, and another $43 million dollars to upgrade boxes and suites.

With all these priorities, do you really think this group is going to throw away $20 million dollars on a rebrand?

We are in the process of getting rid of a stupid owner, and you basically are asking for the new owner to think like a fan and pull off some Snyder-like stupid decision on a rebrand?

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[quote=Ruhskins;1342352]I don't really understand what you mean by this.

My opinion that the name is not going to change and it is not a priority for the new ownership is based on information reported by Keim in his podcast and [URL="https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/37661016/josh-harris-sees-commanders-windfall-dan-snyder"]his story with Seth Wickerham about the prospectus document created by Harris Blitzer Sports & Entertainment[/URL].

Based on this document, they plan to spend $80 million dollars in stadium upgrades (videoboards/locker rooms etc., etc.), they estimate needing to make $100 million dollars in stadium structural update, and another $43 million dollars to upgrade boxes and suites.

With all these priorities, do you really think this group is going to throw away $20 million dollars on a rebrand?

[B]We are in the process of getting rid of a stupid owner, and you basically are asking for the new owner to think like a fan and pull off some Snyder-like stupid decision on a rebrand?[/B][/quote]

The heart of any good business is marketing/sales. Not sure where you got $20M but the potential of ROI on that twenty could far exceed any of the ROI on the stadium fixes/upgrades. Of course the conjunction of the two both help ROI; cant sell a shit product and you can't not market a good product; if you want make $$$.

With that said what other name then REDSKINS is really going be better/popular then Commanders on a macro level. At this point just run with Commanders and tweak the logo and shit if they don't like that part. Honestly i like the uniforms and the big W. The actual name Commanders is meh but whatever.

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[quote=nonniey;1342227]It risks souring 20% of the fans who say keep the name (But probably not since it looks like that group will accept anything) and placating a large percentage of the 80% that hate the stain. So it probably would be wise if they want a happy (happier) fanbase to change the name.[/quote]

There is worst names then Commanders; of the 80% probably the majority hate change more then the name Commanders.

For me the only change that be better then Commanders would be REDSKINS; not happening.

Love to know where you are getting these percent's from as well.

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The worst part about Commanders is there is no good way to shorten/abbreviate it. It's a long name with no viable options to shorten it like 'Skins.

Snyder was just a complete fuck-up in every since of the word. That man can't even win a coin toss in 100 flips.

Washington Oaks

[url]https://statesymbolsusa.org/symbol-official-item/dc/trees/scarlet-oak[/url]

[IMG]https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0077/3511/5839/products/il_fullxfull.1984488732_js0r_680cc6ae-8987-4131-96d4-7de908c924df_800x.jpg?v=1670348618[/IMG]

(I actually would like this, original names are cool).

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[quote=mredskins;1342357]The heart of any good business is marketing/sales. [B]Not sure where you got $20M[/B] but the potential of ROI on that twenty could far exceed any of the ROI on the stadium fixes/upgrades. Of course the conjunction of the two both help ROI; cant sell a shit product and you can't not market a good product; if you want make $$$.

With that said what other name then REDSKINS is really going be better/popular then Commanders on a macro level. At this point just run with Commanders and tweak the logo and shit if they don't like that part. Honestly i like the uniforms and the big W. The actual name Commanders is meh but whatever.[/quote]

Back in 2020, the [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/07/08/redskins-name-change-would-be-costly-first-could-end-up-lucrative-move/"]Washington Post estimated[/URL] that the rebrand would cost $20 million dollars. I'm pretty sure that number would be slightly higher in 2024.

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Ruhskins - how is getting rid of Commanders thinking like a fan? I just don't get that at all. Thinking like a fan to me is treating the team like it's fantasy football, a la Dan. This is more along the lines of very smart business decision. It's smart public relations and it's a clean break from Dan.

There are multiple partners, all very wealthy men. Majic is the poor one at around 650 million. If they want to get it done 20 million isn't going to stop them. lol.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1342368]Back in 2020, the [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/07/08/redskins-name-change-would-be-costly-first-could-end-up-lucrative-move/"]Washington Post estimated[/URL] that the rebrand would cost $20 million dollars. I'm pretty sure that number would be slightly higher in 2024.[/quote]

Fair enough.

I think the real damage in changing it is just again throwing the wheels of marketing into reverse then restarting again; couple that with there is no full proof everyone or least majority of folks will be happy name out there.

I say in simple terms the squeeze ain't worth the juice.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1342370]Ruhskins - how is getting rid of Commanders thinking like a fan? I just don't get that at all. Thinking like a fan to me is treating the team like it's fantasy football, a la Dan. This is more along the lines of very smart business decision. It's smart public relations and it's a clean break from Dan.

There are multiple partners, all very wealthy men. Majic is the poor one at around 650 million. If they want to get it done 20 million isn't going to stop them. lol.[/quote]

But what do you change it too? The real risk isn't the 20M is the restarting the process and potentially picking a worst name.

If there were major uproars or protest outside the stadium saying change the name to REDWOLVES (just grasping here) ok then maybe think about it, I believe at this point most have settled on Commanders love it or hate it it is what it is.

As a die hard fan I hate the losing more then Commanders; if they start winning you can call them Poop Patrol for all i give a fuck just give me something to look forward to on fall Sundays.

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on a side note ; i like DC Defenders better then Commanders.

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[quote=mredskins;1342371]Fair enough.

I think the real damage in changing it is just again throwing the wheels of marketing into reverse then restarting again;[B] couple that with there is no full proof everyone or least majority of folks will be happy name out there. [/B]

I say in simple terms the squeeze ain't worth the juice.[/quote]

Yeah, we would be having the same arguments if the name was anything else either. Unless it's just pure Snyder hate, and people would accept anything that wasn't created by little napolean.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1342361]The worst part about Commanders is there is no good way to shorten/abbreviate it. It's a long name with no viable options to shorten it like 'Skins.

Snyder was just a complete fuck-up in every since of the word. That man can't even win a coin toss in 100 flips.

Washington Oaks

[url]https://statesymbolsusa.org/symbol-official-item/dc/trees/scarlet-oak[/url]

[IMG]https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0077/3511/5839/products/il_fullxfull.1984488732_js0r_680cc6ae-8987-4131-96d4-7de908c924df_800x.jpg?v=1670348618[/IMG]

(I actually would like this, original names are cool).[/QUOTE]


That is so true. Lol.
Every other team can either be abbreviated(fins) is short (jets) it flows (ravens) or you can abbreviate the city like Cincy.

We are stuck with the Wash Manders. Only us. [emoji1750]

I hope they change the name. It seems crazy but I think from an outsider perspective they would understand new owner new name. Commanders is fucking terrible. Ive said before winning makes everything ok but it would be really great to win and have a cool name.

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[quote=punch it in;1342380]That is so true. Lol.
Every other team can either be abbreviated(fins) is short (jets) it flows (ravens) or you can abbreviate the city like Cincy.

We are stuck with the Wash Manders. Only us. [emoji1750]

I hope they change the name. It seems crazy but I think from an outsider perspective they would understand new owner new name. Commanders is fucking terrible. Ive said before winning makes everything ok but it would be really great to win and have a cool name.[/quote]

If they were going with Commanders, they should have at least changed the city/area reference to D.C.

D.C. Commanders at least sounds like some sort of comic book heroes or something. Let's go D.C. is easy and rolls right off the tongue.

Washington Commanders is a ridiculously long and difficult name to use. Let's go 'Deeeerrrrrssss!

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1342381]If they were going with Commanders, they should have at least changed the city/area reference to D.C.

D.C. Commanders at least sounds like some sort of comic book heroes or something. Let's go D.C. is easy and rolls right off the tongue.

Washington Commanders is a ridiculously long and difficult name to use. Let's go 'Deeeerrrrrssss![/quote]

The big problem with DC (not the comics) is dallas fans would mock it/use it en masse in our stadium for their cowboys :puke:

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1342382]The big problem with DC (not the comics) is dallas fans would mock it/use it en masse in our stadium for their cowboys :puke:[/quote]

Washington D.C. has been around way longer than the Cowboys.

Not gonna happen anyways, but I'll never spend time worrying about the opinion of Cowboys fans.

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[quote=mredskins;1342358]There is worst names then Commanders; of the 80% probably the majority hate change more then the name Commanders.

For me the only change that be better then Commanders would be REDSKINS; not happening.

Love to know where you are getting these percent's from as well.[/quote]

Well admittedly not scientific/controlled polls (eg the two polls on Redskins of Native Americans that had a 91-9 breakdown) but the social media and media question polls seem always to fall into that 80-20% breakdown.

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Interesting article in WaPo today that says 15 months into the name change and Commanders still isn't trademarked. The US Patent & Trademark Office denied the trademark on May 18 citing "likelihood of confusion" with other similar marks. Oddly enough the Patent & Trademark approved Washington Football Team on Tuesday.

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/05/25/commanders-trademark-denied-name-change/[/url]

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LOL What a circus shit show

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1342397]LOL What a circus shit show[/quote]

Nothing can be just done normal with this org.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1342397]LOL What a circus shit show[/quote]

Sigh. Lol

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How the hell did Snyder become rich ???? Every thing he touches is crap …. I don’t understand .. maybe he is friends with Hunter😳😀

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[quote=rocnrik;1342424]How the hell did Snyder become rich ???? Every thing he touches is crap …. I don’t understand .. maybe he is friends with Hunter😳😀[/quote]

He must have sold his soul to the devil.

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Just watched Nfl network the Redskins vs Dolphins Super Bowl XXVII .. they advertised it as Redskins and used the name throughout the showing …But I thought the name was bad ?? Redskins for life!!!! HTTR!!!

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[quote=irish;1342394]Interesting article in WaPo today that says 15 months into the name change and Commanders still isn't trademarked. The US Patent & Trademark Office denied the trademark on May 18 citing "likelihood of confusion" with other similar marks. Oddly enough the Patent & Trademark approved Washington Football Team on Tuesday.

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/05/25/commanders-trademark-denied-name-change/[/url][/quote]

This is an opportunity for Harris et al. They (we) were given an easy out of the (awful) Commanders name.
Just back out of the Commanders, revert into Washington Football Team and keep it moving.
Same W on helmet, no need to pay for another rebrand at this point, and erase a Snyder stain about as easily and cheaply as possible.

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I was watching Golf Channel and Joe T was playing in some tournament w/ a bunch of ex players and celebrities. They announced him as a former Commanders QB. 😩👎😡 So pathetic.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1342477]I was watching Golf Channel and Joe T was playing in some tournament w/ a bunch of ex players and celebrities. They announced him as a former Commanders QB. 😩👎😡 So pathetic.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that's dumb. People afraid to say the word Redskins... Weak.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1342479]Yeah, that's dumb. People afraid to say the word Redskins... Weak.[/quote]

But there are still HS teams around the country called the Redskins lolol

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1342479]Yeah, that's dumb. People afraid to say the word Redskins... Weak.[/quote]

Exactly, these people who claim crap are just mentally ill or trash. It’s either/or no other explanation

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1342480]But there are still HS teams around the country called the Redskins lolol[/quote]

Manteo HS on Roanoke Island (Home of the Lost Colony) near OBX is the Redskins.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1342477]I was watching Golf Channel and Joe T was playing in some tournament w/ a bunch of ex players and celebrities. They announced him as a former Commanders QB. 😩👎😡 So pathetic.[/quote]

I wonder if they'd announce Earl Campbell as a former TN Titans RB?