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LOL ESPN Just reported that Daniel Jones is asking for 35M A yr!!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1337595]LOL ESPN Just reported that Daniel Jones is asking for 35M A yr!![/quote]

Good , I thought it would be worse. By the time they finish negotiations it will be around 30 per year and a 4year deal 90 guaranteed.



That is before Lamar signs, Geno signs, and Hurts, Burrow and Hebert get their extensions. So 16-19 QBs will average $30 mill plus. We will probably have 14 that are over $40 mill in average salary. Burrow may even come close to $60 mill in his extension.

1. Rodgers $50.3
2. Wilson $49.5
3. Murray $46.1
4. Watson $46
5. Mahomes $45
6. Allen $43
7. Carr $40.5
8. Stafford $40
9. Dak $40
10. Cousins $35
11. Goff $33.5
12. Wentz $32
13. Ryan $30
14. Tanny $29.5

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1337595]LOL ESPN Just reported that Daniel Jones is asking for 35M A yr!![/quote]

That sounds right tho

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I guess that is about right... Good lord its nice to play QB now

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It's easy to look at that list and say at least half of those QBs don't deserve what they are making... That's where we are today though.

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[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35608876/sources-49ers-hiring-ex-panthers-interim-coach-steve-wilks-dc[/url]

I'm noticing a smart trend here by Kyle Shanny. Ever since the NFL instituted the "2 third-round picks for a minority HC/FO hire" he has reaped the rewards, once with Robert Saleh, then Demeco Ryans, and possibly now with Wilks if he can redeem himself from his interim stint with the Panthers.

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Nice. Hiring minority coaches so he can later flip them for picks. Brilliant.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1337595]LOL ESPN Just reported that Daniel Jones is asking for 35M A yr!![/QUOTE]


It is getting ridiculous. If a guy doesn’t throw 20 interceptions and stays healthy he thinks he can write his own check, and the teams are going along for the ride.

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[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35609307/aaron-rodgers-decide-future-darkness-retreat[/url]

The Green Bay Packers' quarterback said Tuesday on "The Pat McAfee Show" that he will embark on a four-day/four-night "darkness retreat" soon after the Super Bowl on Sunday.

"I've got a pretty cool opportunity to do a little self-reflection in some isolation," Rodgers said. "And then after that I feel like I'll be a lot closer to a final, final decision."

It's just sitting in isolation, meditation, dealing with your thoughts," Rodgers said. "It stimulates DMT, so there can be some hallucinations in there but it's just kind of sitting in silence, which most of us never do. We rarely even turn our phone off or put the blinds down to sleep in darkness. I'm really looking forward to it."

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Lol he's a strange fuckin bird for a qb but he's not wrong 🤷

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[quote=Chico23231;1337601]That sounds right tho[/quote]

Yeah Jones is going to get paid, it's his turn and he's coming off a very solid season. If NY doesn't pay him someone else will.

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[quote=punch it in;1337608]It is getting ridiculous. If a guy doesn’t throw 20 interceptions and stays healthy he thinks he can write his own check, and the teams are going along for the ride.[/quote]

MPO is that no one, anyone is worth that type of money. It's market value and as I posted even at 30mill he will still be around #15-20 in pay as a QB. He played better then Murray, Wilson and Watson and all of them are above 200 million. Jones won't see that I think he'll be in the 120 range, 30 mill a year on a four year deal with around 80-85 guaranteed.

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#Cardinals QB Kyler Murray "hasn't been the guy to set the tone for the organization." according to
@AlbertBreer


"When your quarterback doesn't show up for half the offseason program, that's a problem."

"Other players might see it as license to stay [away]."

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1337620]#Cardinals QB Kyler Murray "hasn't been the guy to set the tone for the organization." according to
@AlbertBreer


"When your quarterback doesn't show up for half the offseason program, that's a problem."

"Other players might see it as license to stay [away]."[/quote]

All the red flags were there and they still handed him the contract.

He’s a lazy piece of shit

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[quote=Chico23231;1337621]All the red flags were there and they still handed him the contract.

He’s a lazy piece of shit[/quote]

Lazy and frankly just not very good outside of his running ability.

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[quote=Giantone;1337615]MPO is that no one, anyone is worth that type of money. It's market value and as I posted even at 30mill he will still be around #15-20 in pay as a QB. He played better then Murray, Wilson and Watson and all of them are above 200 million. Jones won't see that I think he'll be in the 120 range, 30 mill a year on a four year deal with around 80-85 guaranteed.[/quote]

This is wishful thinking…minimum 160, minimum 100 guaranteed

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[quote=punch it in;1337608]It is getting ridiculous. If a guy doesn’t throw 20 interceptions and stays healthy he thinks he can write his own check, and the teams are going along for the ride.[/quote]

Seriously, just because someone else will pay you 35 million doesn't mean you're worth 35 million to my team. Let some other team pay all that money. If you don't suck = 30 million = pass!!

You really do need to draft a QB every season or every other season at most. Need to have someone on a rookie contract that can step-in at least for a year, if you let a ridiculously overpriced QB walk. When you finally get a Mahomes, sure pay him all the money in the world. Those guys will get you to the Super Bowl w/ their ability. But if Danny Dimes is taking up 35 million, it ain't going to be as easy. He isn't dragging players up with him, he needs a great cast around him if they ever do win one. Hard to have a great cast around with all the money going to 1 mediocre QB.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1337624]Seriously, just because someone else will pay you 35 million doesn't mean you're worth 35 million to my team. Let some other team pay all that money. If you don't suck = 30 million = pass!!

You really do need to draft a QB every season or every other season at most. Need to have someone on a rookie contract that can step-in at least for a year, if you let a ridiculously overpriced QB walk. When you finally get a Mahomes, sure pay him all the money in the world. Those guys will get you to the Super Bowl w/ their ability. But if Danny Dimes is taking up 35 million, it ain't going to be as easy. He isn't dragging players up with him, he needs a great cast around him if they ever do win one. Hard to have a great cast around with all the money going to 1 mediocre QB.[/quote]

Have you seen the CAP , dropping Golladay June 1st will save us an additional 13.5 million. add in the increase for next year we will still be in good spot. 2023 cap #5 , 2024 cap #2 projected.

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[quote=Giantone;1337636]Have you seen the CAP , dropping Golladay June 1st will save us an additional 13.5 million. add in the increase for next year we will still be in good spot. 2023 cap #5 , 2024 cap #2 projected.[/quote]

This was meant to be more of a general statement about QB's at his level. I used his name because that's whose name was in the discussion. But you could replace Danny with quite a few names and I'd make the same argument.

Ex)

"...Those guys will get you to the Super Bowl w/ their ability. But if it's Derek Carr, it ain't going to be as easy. He isn't dragging players up with him, he needs a great cast around him if they ever do win one. Hard to have a great cast around with all the money going to 1 mediocre QB."

I just think there are way better ways to use $35 million, than on a middle of the road QB.

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If you're NY what do you do? Let Jones walk and basically start over with a rookie or go with a journeyman who at best will keep you around .500?

I'd rather take my chances with Jones and hope he continues to develop and ascend.

We let Cousins go and we've been floundering ever since.

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[quote=MTK;1337639]If you're NY what do you do? Let Jones walk and basically start over with a rookie or go with a journeyman who at best will keep you around .500?

I'd rather take my chances with Jones and hope he continues to develop and ascend.

We let Cousins go and we've been floundering ever since.[/quote]

Definitely not an easy choice. He's still relatively young, so maybe he can get better. But he seems like he will be an average QB. Which is still good. Lots of teams need an average QB. Average = too much money though. Good for them personally, tricky for their respective teams.

I think you could make arguments either way. I'd draft a QB and sign a cheap vet if I was them.

Either way, I bet the Giants are kicking themselves now for not exercising the 5th year option.

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[quote=MTK;1337639]If you're NY what do you do? Let Jones walk and basically start over with a rookie or go with a journeyman who at best will keep you around .500?

I'd rather take my chances with Jones and hope he continues to develop and ascend.

We let Cousins go and we've been floundering ever since.[/quote]

I don't think he let him go as much as he definitely didn't want to be year. He said the right things, but seemed pretty obvious his intentions were elsewhere. He also did get overpaid, but he's definitely better than what we've had since alex smith got hurt.

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[quote=That Guy;1337674]I don't think he let him go as much as he definitely didn't want to be year. [B]He said the right things, but seemed pretty obvious his intentions were elsewhere[/B]. He also did get overpaid, but he's definitely better than what we've had since alex smith got hurt.[/quote]

This is why I don't fucking like him and I will root against his team every single season. The moment he leaves the Vikings, the Vikings will go right back towards the top of the NFC teams I wouldn't mind winning a Super Bowl.

He was an actor reading the lines. Good for him personally, because he's got paid a shit ton of money. But he'll always be a little bitch in my book. Good work Giants!

He should send money to Bruce every year, because Bruce was such a dbag he laid perfect cover for Kurt to snake away like a rat, while looking like a little Saint. Fuck Kurt.

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Things just keep getting worse for Wilson. Turns out that Wilson's charity foundation apparently [URL="https://sports.yahoo.com/russell-wilsons-why-not-you-foundation-reportedly-spent-more-on-employee-salaries-than-charitable-activities-185532088.html"]pays its employees a lot more than they donate money to the charity[/URL].

Wilson actually saved us by refusing to play for us.

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[quote=GridIron26;1337755]Things just keep getting worse for Wilson. Turns out that Wilson's charity foundation apparently [URL="https://sports.yahoo.com/russell-wilsons-why-not-you-foundation-reportedly-spent-more-on-employee-salaries-than-charitable-activities-185532088.html"]pays its employees a lot more than they donate money to the charity[/URL].

Wilson actually saved us by refusing to play for us.[/quote]

It's so sad how many "charities" out there are similar to this. Rackets disguised as charities.

I was reading that last night, pretty fucking shady. I'm curious to know how many friends/families are "employees" of this "charity".

What a dick. Yeah, he dodged a MAJOR bullet for us.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1337756][B]It's so sad how many "charities" out there are similar to this. Rackets disguised as charities.
[/B]
I was reading that last night, pretty fucking shady. I'm curious to know how many friends/families are "employees" of this "charity".

What a dick. Yeah, he dodged a MAJOR bullet for us.[/quote]

i never donate to big charities; look at the salaries of their upper management its ridiculous

i rather hand money to a homeless person at the very least it goes 100% into their pocket

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Wow!! Even the local paper acknowledges them as the Forty Whiners!!

[url]https://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/super-bowl-eagles-forty-whiners-17776883.php[/url]

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[url]https://twitter.com/nflrums/status/1623842716680421376[/url]

This might be the only thing I enjoy about not having Redskins for a name anymore - it means the offensive name crowd has moved on to their next target.

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[quote=MTK;1337639]If you're NY what do you do? Let Jones walk and basically start over with a rookie or go with a journeyman who at best will keep you around .500?

I'd rather take my chances with Jones and hope he continues to develop and ascend.

We let Cousins go and we've been floundering ever since.[/quote]


Minnesota isn't doing any better really. All that money paid to him with nothing to show for it. You don't just pay people because their is cap space. I would not pay Ron Dayne, I would not pay Chase Young unless they could string 2 years of production together. If I were the Giants, I would guarantee him two years and that's it. I would not cripple my cap over Jones.

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I forgotten what a fucking stud Earl Campbell was and also a
Class act, he left it all on the field. Love that guy, too bad he never won a SB. Same goes for Barry Sanders.

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[quote=MTK;1337639]If you're NY what do you do? Let Jones walk and basically start over with a rookie or go with a journeyman who at best will keep you around .500?

I'd rather take my chances with Jones and hope he continues to develop and ascend.

We let Cousins go and we've been floundering ever since.[/quote]

This is the conundrum the Giants have, add in Barkley and Williams plus others and you have to add other pieces' like a #1 receiver and a few OL men to spend money on. IMO you sign Jones to a team friendly contract of 30/32 mill no more then 4 years 75-80 guaranteed, that still puts Jones around #16 on the QB earnings list of QB's. You release Golladay June 1st giving you 13.5 more in cap (7mill dead cap) right there is your Barkley money leaving you around 32 million to do all the others which I will tell you is almost 24 million more then they had last year for cap space. Cap is projected to go up in 2024 almost 23 million per team.(I think)

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I saw the NFL inductees for the 2023 HOF class. Feel like it was a bit watered down. IDK if I would consider Barber, Zach Thomas, DeMarcus Ware as some of the best to ever play. They were certainly good for their time but I don't even think they were the best at the time they played.

[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/watch-pro-football-hall-of-fame-class-of-2023-inductees-get-emotional-surprise-election-news-from-nfl-legends/#:~:text=On%20Friday%20night%2C%20the%20NFL,all%20be%20immortalized%20in%20Canton[/url].

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Ian Rapoport of NFL Network wrote a story about how former Denver Broncos head coach Vic Fangio signed a two week contract to help the Philadelphia Eagles prepare for the Kansas City Chiefs in Super Bowl LVII.

That didn't go well.

Chiefs only had two games all year where they scored at least 38 points.
Eagles gave up an average of 20 points per game all year until last night.
Eagles averaged over four sacks per game - with only one game where they didn't have a sack. They had zero sacks against a hobbled PM last night.

Way to go Vic. Thanks for the help.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1337965]Ian Rapoport of NFL Network wrote a story about how former Denver Broncos head coach Vic Fangio signed a two week contract to help the Philadelphia Eagles prepare for the Kansas City Chiefs in Super Bowl LVII.

That didn't go well.

Chiefs only had two games all year where they scored at least 38 points.
Eagles gave up an average of 20 points per game all year until last night.
Eagles averaged over four sacks per game - with only one game where they didn't have a sack. They had zero sacks against a hobbled PM last night.

Way to go Vic. Thanks for the help.[/QUOTE]


In the Super Bowl stats go out the window and the best players generally win.

Mahomes is the best player in football right now.


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1337971]In the Super Bowl stats go out the window and the best players generally win.

Mahomes is the best player in football right now.


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Why do stats go out the window? I'm not sure I agree with that.

I agree that Mahomes is arguably the best player in football, but my point was that it doesn't appear that Vic helped them all that much. Their D got embarrassed, in the 2nd half especially.

They are somewhat making fun of the whole thing here in Denver, with Fangio being the Broncos HC from 2019-2021, saying that the Eagles defense looked eerily similar to the Bronco's defense in his unsuccessful three year stint here. I didn't watch enough of the Eagles' games to know if they changed much of their defense for the Super Bowl. Maybe KC just exploited them because they can - and it would have happened with or without Vic's "help".

Either way I'm good with the result. KC now joins the Commanders as the only two teams to beat the Eagles this year - with Jalen Hurts as the QB.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1337972]Why do stats go out the window? I'm not sure I agree with that.

I agree that Mahomes is arguably the best player in football, but my point was that it doesn't appear that Vic helped them all that much. Their D got embarrassed, in the 2nd half especially.

They are somewhat making fun of the whole thing here in Denver, with Fangio being the Broncos HC from 2019-2021, saying that the Eagles defense looked eerily similar to the Bronco's defense in his unsuccessful three year stint here. I didn't watch enough of the Eagles' games to know if they changed much of their defense for the Super Bowl. Maybe KC just exploited them because they can - and it would have happened with or without Vic's "help".

Either way I'm good with the result. KC now joins the Commanders as the only two teams to beat the Eagles this year - with Jalen Hurts as the QB.[/QUOTE]


I’m talking about the “eagles best DL ever “
Stats where they had all those sacks this season but zero last night. Over the time of a 18 game schedule yes I’d make a bet based off stats and grades etc but for a Super Bowl?? I’m betting on the best QB every single time


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I don't know who crowned their DL the best DL ever, but what they were able to do all season long didn't translate to the biggest game of the year. I know Patrick and Andy had a lot to do with that, but makes me wonder how much they tried to change based on Fangio's consulting for this game, rather than just stick with what's been working.

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Ill take a trip to the superbowl and i dont give a fuck how many points we score or give up in it. Hell ill take a trip to the second round with the same thought.

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[quote=Giantone;1337788]This is the conundrum the Giants have, add in Barkley and Williams plus others and you have to add other pieces' like a #1 receiver and a few OL men to spend money on. IMO you sign Jones to a team friendly contract of 30/32 mill no more then 4 years 75-80 guaranteed, that still puts Jones around #16 on the QB earnings list of QB's. You release Golladay June 1st giving you 13.5 more in cap (7mill dead cap) right there is your Barkley money leaving you around 32 million to do all the others which I will tell you is almost 24 million more then they had last year for cap space. Cap is projected to go up in 2024 almost 23 million per team.(I think)[/quote]

Giants would be really dumb to give Barkley a big contract

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[quote=MTK;1338010]Giants would be really dumb to give Barkley a big contract[/quote]

MPO is around 12 for Barkley per for 3 years.