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[quote=WCommandersfan99;1330531]Dan is the one who said in the offseason "We got a qb now" referring to Wentz. Yes Dan one that won minimal games and was on the bench most of the year.[/quote]

In 20 years of ownership how many times did he say that? He obviously doesn’t know shit about QB’s. McNabb, Jeff George, Alex
Smith, Wentz, RGIII, Haskins, etc.

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Have we ever had 2 games in a row versus the same team during the regular season (will the Giant games be the first time)?

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[quote=Chico23231;1330525]Wasn’t Curl out some at the beginning too?

We always knew the DL holds the talent on this team, but once the secondary kinda formed this shield of St. Juste, Curl, Forrest, McClain & Fuller, that when everything kinda clicked. Much like the front work in unison to pass rush and stop the run, guys in the back are working together to cover the pass and support the run defense. It is more the sum of parts cause you cover more ground, but they are really working together back there.[/quote]

Nobody is mentioning Davis' improvement either.

I would say we needed a dominating MLB and CB depth to round out this current D. Re-sign Payne and fix LB and we could be a top D for 3-4 years. Pity we haven't found a QB to leverage the D and all these O weapons. I really want to see what Howell can do so we hopefully don't have to go QB in the draft again, especially with the capital Wentz cost. For now though we have to roll with TH and see where he takes us.

TH can get us into the playoffs, and after that who knows. But this off-season we really have to solidify the QB position and not around an ageing/2nd rate vet. Virtually every other piece is in place.

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I love, I mean freakin LOVE, that kind of football ! That kind of W !

Loved the physicality, I love our Oline, no pro-bowlers in there, but the unit has been playing well, better than pff says in my not so educated but not so humble either opinion.

That game was [I]won in the trenches on both sides[/I] of the ball for us !

Also loved seeing our [I]receivers making some solid blocks[/I] ! [I]McLaurin, Brown and Samuel[/I] all had very good blocks on key runs !

I think this game highlighted the strengths and weaknesses of that defense: our [I]DL is awesome[/I], I think our [I]secondary is young and promising[/I], but our [I]LB squad sucks[/I], even with an improved Jamin Davis, and it showed with how easily they ran it on us, especially outside the box, we lack speed at LB.

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I also find interesting how this coaching staff has been doing a good job rotating injured-ish Olinemen. Lucas and Cosmi at RT for a few weeks, Turner and Charles at RG when the former is a bit banged up. It's quite rare to see some sort of established rotation at OL, and it's been working quite well.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1330470]BRob with his 1st game ball, congratulations!!

[url]https://twitter.com/commanders/status/1596986485965615106?s=46&t=z_Rb0SOEdS3J4fouOmMAng[/url][/quote]

I don't think I've felt such an [I]emotional turn around in one season [/I]with this team. Early this season I was as down and emotionally detached from this team as I had ever been since starting rooting for them, and now, even knowing we're not legit contenders, I love those guys, players, coaches, what they show on the field, who a lot of them seem to be as human beings... How do you not love this team right now ?

PS: sorry for the posting spree, just finish watching the game and I'm as pumped as if I had watched it live.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1330515]It’s a playoff defense but we don’t have a playoff QB. Like Heineke but he won’t win throwing for 140 yards in the playoffs


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Mark Brunnel 2005 playoff game vs tampa - 8/15 for 41 yards (25 after 2 sacks for -16 yards) 0 td, 1 int... also 4 rushes for 6 yards

we won that game.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1330532]In 20 years of ownership how many times did he say that? He obviously doesn’t know shit about QB’s. McNabb, Jeff George, Alex
Smith, Wentz, RGIII, Haskins, etc.[/quote]

Alex Smith was good. even with the exploded leg he was 11-7. We're just snakebit. Before that Dan's biggest mistake was not attempting to get Drew Brees. Before that letting Trent Green walk.

And drafting a bunch of guys that never panned out (Patrick Ramsey was a Snyder pick, and RGIII was too). Kirk was/is good, but he never had any intention of staying here, despite what he may have said to the press.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;1330543]Mark Brunnel 2005 playoff game vs tampa - 8/15 for 41 yards (25 after 2 sacks for -16 yards) 0 td, 1 int... also 4 rushes for 6 yards

we won that game.[/QUOTE]


I remember that game, it was brutal to watch lol


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[quote=FrenchSkin;1330538]I love, I mean freakin LOVE, that kind of football ! That kind of W !

Loved the physicality, I love our Oline, no pro-bowlers in there, but the unit has been playing well, better than pff says in my not so educated but not so humble either opinion.

That game was [I]won in the trenches on both sides[/I] of the ball for us !

Also loved seeing our [I]receivers making some solid blocks[/I] ! [I]McLaurin, Brown and Samuel[/I] all had very good blocks on key runs !

I think this game highlighted the strengths and weaknesses of that defense: our [I]DL is awesome[/I], I think our [I]secondary is young and promising[/I], but our [I]LB squad sucks[/I], even with an improved Jamin Davis, [B]and it showed with how easily they ran it on us, especially outside the box, we lack speed at LB[/B].[/quote]

Wish we had got Roquan Smith

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Washington Twitter is down in TH and I get it but at the end of the day he’s 6-1 this year. Yes it’s mainly because of the defense and yes I’d love to see Sam play but you can’t pull Taylor unless it snowballs


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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1330553]Washington Twitter is down in TH and I get it but at the end of the day he’s 6-1 this year. Yes it’s mainly because of the defense and yes I’d love to see Sam play but you can’t pull Taylor unless it snowballs


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Taylor definitely almost cost us that game. I mean it certainly wasn’t the D, or the backs. It wasn’t people dropping balls. The coaches did a good job. Taylor had some absolutely awful misses and int’s, and was clearly the shaky part of the team. It just begs the question what if we had solid quarterback play? But yes you cannot make changes now because we are winning . I would love to see him run sometimes instead of forcing balls.

If he looks real bad against the Giants next week, and is holding us back - than Id be all in favor of letting Sam get in the game. We are in the drivers seat for the playoffs. So if it becomes apparent that Taylor is the weak link get him out.

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Why are they not running Taylor like Falcons did with MM ? At least do it enough to soften up the coverage.

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[quote=punch it in;1330555]Taylor definitely almost cost us that game. I mean it certainly wasn’t the D, or the backs. It wasn’t people dropping balls. The coaches did a good job. Taylor had some absolutely awful misses and int’s, and was clearly the shaky part of the team. It just begs the question what if we had solid quarterback play? But yes you cannot make changes now because we are winning . I would love to see him run sometimes instead of forcing balls.

If he looks real bad against the Giants next week, and is holding us back - than Id be all in favor of letting Sam get in the game. We are in the drivers seat for the playoffs. So if it becomes apparent that Taylor is the weak link get him out.[/quote]

if we are still in a playoff push; CW will be in before Sam if they decide to pull TH.

The problem with pulling TH is that this team really rallies around him, i be afraid if Ron pulled him the air come out the team balloon.

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[quote=mredskins;1330564]if we are still in a playoff push; CW will be in before Sam if they decide to pull TH.

The problem with pulling TH is that this team really rallies around him, i be afraid if Ron pulled him the air come out the team balloon.[/quote]

If Heinicke plays like he did yesterday or gets hurt, I'm fine with Wentz going back in as long as he can't reach 70% of the snaps. I'd prefer Howell, but I'd understand the decision.

I'm assuming the 70% doesn’t include playoffs, but I could be wrong.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1330566]If Heinicke plays like he did yesterday or gets hurt, I'm fine with Wentz going back in as long as he can't reach 70% of the snaps. I'd prefer Howell, but I'd understand the decision.

I'm assuming the 70% doesn’t include playoffs, but I could be wrong.[/quote]

i love SH i hope he gets a opportunity but this isn't the season until we are out of the playoff pic.

My though is when CW was in at the start of the season they thought ok we are going to be able to throw more and lean on a NFL starter level QB, that didn't work out. I think now if CW comes back you treat him like TH but it opens the door to more play calls. Defenses know with TH we can't bomb it out, i think CW in keeps the safeties honest and you chuck it a couple times to remind them, that opens the door even more for the RBs.

When the day is done CW is a better QB then TH.

The X factor with TH is that the team really rises up for him, so its a tough call.

I keep CW and TH both on a short leash if they start a game.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1330546]I remember that game, it was brutal to watch lol


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It was also 17 years ago. NFL has changed a lot.

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There is a Carson Wentz playbook and then there is a Taylor Heinike playbook.

Heinike playbook is run, run and first read quick pass plays. If the first read isnt there then scramble and go off schedule. A 2 yard gain is a positive play, a 8 yard sack or penalty = 3 n out. Heinike is not asked to drop back there and go through progressions.

Wentz .. its going to be more traditional 5-7 step drop, hold ball let the long down field pass plays develop. We can still run a ton and the PA should be a thing. Problem is doing first read pass plays doesnt really seems to work with Wentz bc I think he processes things slow and then has no avoid/off schedule create abilities. He can step into a pocket then run forward for 7 yards but outside pocket? I dont want to see that.

Heinikes playbook wins if we hold the opposing team to 20 or less points. Razor thin margin of error .. were things just magically happen. Muffed punt deep, safety runs into referree, interception by forearm in endzone yesterday ... 58 yard field goal.

Heinike playbook wins TOP, which helps our D as well. Henike playbook compliments our team better (O line isnt asked to pass pro, they arent good at pass pro .. you dont want Leno going 1 on 1 with a speed edge guy and asking the Qb to drop back 7 steps)


short read -- team plays better as west coast/run (heinike) vs traditional pocket (wentz)

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[quote=SunnySide;1330571]There is a Carson Wentz playbook and then there is a Taylor Heinike playbook.

Heinike playbook is run, run and first read quick pass plays. If the first read isnt there then scramble and go off schedule. A 2 yard gain is a positive play, a 8 yard sack or penalty = 3 n out. Heinike is not asked to drop back there and go through progressions.

Wentz .. its going to be more traditional 5-7 step drop, hold ball let the long down field pass plays develop. We can still run a ton and the PA should be a thing. Problem is doing first read pass plays doesnt really seems to work with Wentz bc I think he processes things slow and then has no avoid/off schedule create abilities. He can step into a pocket then run forward for 7 yards but outside pocket? I dont want to see that.

Heinikes playbook wins if we hold the opposing team to 20 or less points. Razor thin margin of error .. were things just magically happen. Muffed punt deep, safety runs into referree, interception by forearm in endzone yesterday ... 58 yard field goal.

Heinike playbook wins TOP, which helps our D as well. Henike playbook compliments our team better (O line isnt asked to pass pro, they arent good at pass pro .. you dont want Leno going 1 on 1 with a speed edge guy and asking the Qb to drop back 7 steps)


short read -- team plays better as west coast/run (heinike) vs traditional pocket (wentz)[/quote]

so play CW with the TH playbook and it gives you the ability to have a long ball.

TH really hasn't been scrambling around much.

At this point i run with TH but his leash is as long as a my shoe lace and i am not wearing boots.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1330513]This is not a championship defense. You can't put Bostic out there and be a championship defense.

I do think if they can keep Payne, get CY back healthy and add another piece or two they may be on their way.[/quote]

When absolutely healthy the defense looks like:

DE Young, Sweat
DT Allen, Payne
LB Davis, Holcomb
CB St. Juste, Fuller, McCain
S Forrest, Curl

It's on the brink but I need someone on the back 7 to take that step into top level whether its, BSJ, Forrest, Curl, or Davis

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1330574]so play CW with the TH playbook and it gives you the ability to have a long ball.

TH really hasn't been scrambling around much.

At this point i run with TH but his leash is as long as a my shoe lace and i am not wearing boots.[/QUOTE]


He scrambles more than Carson, but so does the first down marker. I wish Taylor sometimes would run for the marker, it seems like he has opportunities to pick up a first with his legs alot and instead forces balls.

Carson is so immobile it would be hard to play him with the TH playbook but yeah it would be awesome to have that deep ball threat in the mix.

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[quote=mredskins;1330574[B]]so play CW with the TH playbook[/B] and it gives you the ability to have a long ball.

TH really hasn't been scrambling around much.

At this point i run with TH but his leash is as long as a my shoe lace and i am not wearing boots.[/quote]

I dont think it works like that in real life. Its not a vacuum, if Wentz/heinike is the variable .. the constants wont stay constant.

Teams might bring more 5 plus man pressure against Wentz knowing he doesnt make quick decisions and isnt mobile. Now we go back to giving up 3-6 sacks a game bc Leno cant block outside speed and IOL cant handle a flood/stunt/extra guys.

Yesterday we gave up 0 sacks. And this is a poor pass pro unit.

last week? 0 sacks.

Commitment to run. This is something you could control and the PA off it w Wentz would get this offense into the mid 20s in scoring.

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Both Qbs bring their flaws that effect the way Turner calls plays.

Last few weeks I was thinking we could go kinda college style .. bring Wentz in for like 15 snaps or even alternate drives. Crazy talk .. but the team is having fun and winning .. if even we are never contenders.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1330530]Even if he had the 91 line, he would over throw and make worse decisions than TH.[/quote]

SF I think if you saw Wentz on the street you'd probably yell an obscenity at him..lol.

I put part of his issues on Scott. Seems to me that once TH got in there Scott started running the kind of offense we should have been running all along.

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Both QB's leave a lot to be desired. You need to combine their 2 strengths to have a sufficient NFL QB.

QB, CB, LB, OL, re-signing Payne, I hope this is what the offseason/draft is focused on.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1330582]Both QB's leave a lot to be desired. You need to combine their 2 strengths to have a sufficient NFL QB.

[B]QB, CB, LB, OL, re-signing Payne, I hope this is what the offseason/draft is focused on[/B].[/quote]

I hope it is RE/MAX agents, open houses, and a sold sign.


How weird would it be if we win the SB this year? Is DS all forgiven and he doesn't sell.

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Got to find a QB

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1330585]Got to find a QB[/quote]

Id give our 1R for Derek Carr. I think he would fit what Turner wants to do.

Now that the DL is meeting expectations and we have thoroughbreds in the WR stable .. lets fucking go.

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I’m digging this old school NFC Beast style of ball we’re playing. Worry about QB after the season.

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[quote=MTK;1330589]I’m digging this old school NFC Beast style of ball we’re playing. Worry about QB after the season.[/quote]

I'm at this point too, let the defense ball out and run the ball and see how far we get

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Best record in the NFL since Week 6

Commanders 6-1
Chiefs 5-1
Eagles 5-1
Vikings 5-1
Bengals 5-1
Dolphins 5-1

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[quote=SunnySide;1330587]Id give our 1R for Derek Carr. I think he would fit what Turner wants to do.

Now that the DL is meeting expectations and we have thoroughbreds in the WR stable .. lets fucking go.[/quote]

I'd rather fight prime Mike Tyson than give up a 1st for Derek Carr at this point.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1330603]I'd rather fight prime Mike Tyson than give up a 1st for Derek Carr at this point.[/quote]

I'd take Carr but no way for a 1st rounder also I want to see Sam Howell play before we trade for a QB

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[quote=SunnySide;1330587]Id give our 1R for Derek Carr. I think he would fit what Turner wants to do.

Now that the DL is meeting expectations and we have thoroughbreds in the WR stable .. lets fucking go.[/quote]

I would not, trust me not a fan.

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This guy has the team ranked at #9, a fair assesmet.

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/nfl-power-rankings-week-13-155932897.html[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1330605]I would not, trust me not a fan.[/quote]

He's better than Wentz and TH but he's also inconsistent week to week

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1330608]He's better than Wentz and TH but he's also inconsistent week to week[/quote]

What the grades from yesterday?

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[quote=Chico23231;1330609]What the grades from yesterday?[/quote]

Heinicke = 57 (about his norm)
BROB = 82
AG = 62

OL as a whole were a solid 70 per player

Defense

Fuller
Allen
Sweat
Payne
Kurl

were the top guys

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[url]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fiq2TYVWYAUsP4T?format=jpg&name=900x900[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1330608]He's better than Wentz and TH but he's also inconsistent week to week[/quote]

All I ever see from him is choking like Linda Lovelace.He has broken Raiders fans hearts over and over.

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This great great :

[url]https://twitter.com/PFF_Sam/status/1597032202575155200[/url]

Thank you Seattle for not fucking us over