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[quote=punch it in;1320396]I think I agree, but RR did bump Robinson up ahead of Gibson. I think there is probably plenty of time to worry about QB -2 with Wentz here though. In other words [B]I hope neither Howell or Heinicke see the field at all this year.[/B][/quote]

You can hope for it but don't bet on it. And if a QB change is made it won't necessarily be due to an injury to Wentz. This season Wentz's entire career is at risk if he doesn't perform well. That's a lot of pressure to bear and I'm not yet convinced that he can handle it. You see, I think his issues at Philly and Indy might have been for the most part emotional.

Wentz has all the skills and athleticism to be a top QB if he can handle the pressure. Maybe he will and maybe he won't

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1320420]You can hope for it but don't bet on it. And if a QB change is made it won't necessarily be due to an injury to Wentz. This season Wentz's entire career is at risk if he doesn't perform well. That's a lot of pressure to bear and I'm not yet convinced that he can handle it. You see, I think his issues at Philly and Indy might have been for the most part emotional.

Wentz has all the skills and athleticism to be a top QB if he can handle the pressure. Maybe he will and maybe he won't[/QUOTE]


I don’t doubt this could be the case at all whatsoever lol

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[quote=irish;1320391]Howell blows Heinicke away. Its no surprise that a dinosaur like Ron would choose not to make him the backup just because he's a rookie. Its time to move on from Heinicke.[/quote]

Howell has looked good, throwing some strong down field outs and other throws Heinike cant make.

That said, I just assume our week 1 QB will be injured at some point and I dont think you can throw Howell out there as a 5th round rookie (but good college seasoning).

We most likely going to carry 3 QBs ... as we should every season imo. You should always have a mid late round rookie QB on there to develop and see if you struck gold.

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[quote=punch it in;1320406]Agree [emoji817]- if Wentz goes down for an extended amount of time and the season seems out if reach then get Howell the experience but if Wentz is out for a limited time and the season is still in play let TH roll.[/quote]

I don't see why Howell cant spot play as easily as Heinicke can. Hopefully Wentz goes the distance but IMO the Heinicke thing has run its course.

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The question for me is, does Howell's arm strength trump Heinicke's NFL experience, and his experience in this system? I don't think it does. So if we're talking about winning, I think that [U]right now[/U], if Wentz went down you would have to go to Heinicke.

Maybe as the season progresses, so does Howell - to the point where he gives the team a better chance to win than Heinicke. But if we're talking about right now, I don't think we're there.

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Howell is better than Heinicke. Whoever is better should be No. 2 imo.

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He may have a better skill set, but that doesn't mean he is ready for any team's starting defense.

If they name him #2, I'll be on board and trust that the Coaches know what they are doing. If they name him #3 - same.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1320466]He may have a better skill set, but that doesn't mean he is ready for any team's starting defense.

If they name him #2, I'll be on board and trust that the Coaches know what they are doing. If they name him #3 - same.[/quote]

Yeah, this isn't a big deal either way IMO. I think it's a toss-up between the 2, I just think Howell would be better. But either one would be a significant drop-off from a healthy Wentz. So hopefully Wentz can play all 17.

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We've seen the preseason heroes come and go especially at QB. I like Howell but we need to slow down a bit. Heinicke brings value as a backup and he's a great guy to have in the QB room.

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[quote=MTK;1320469]We've seen the preseason heroes come and go especially at QB. I like Howell but we need to slow down a bit. Heinicke brings value as a backup and he's a great guy to have in the QB room.[/quote]

I think we need to keep all 3 on the active roster (I think Sunny said the same earlier, so I agree w/ his point).

I don't think Howell or Heinicke would make it through waivers to get back to P.S. (not even sure if Henicke is eligible for P.S. either).

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I really don't get the urge, after some nice plays against and with people that will at best be on practice squad in a few hours, to name Howell #2 [I]since we have an established starter. [/I]
Develop the kid as far as you can from the crazy buzz greedy [I]media's spotlights[/I], and either promote him #2 when he's [I]clearly earned it[/I], or once you've[I] traded Heinicke[/I] if you feel like you can afford to (in which case leaving Heinicke as your #2 increases his value, but i don't think that's a realistic idea [I]right now[/I]).

If Wentz gets injured, I'll trust the coaching staff to know who gives the team a better chance, and if Taylor starts but plays really bad then you could still name Howell the starter with less pressure.

Anyway [I]we're not cutting any of them[/I], so what's the big deal?

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howell definitely still has things to work on, but he did show very good signs. TH has shown well under pressure though and I think spending a year learning wouldn't be the worst for howell.

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[quote=That Guy;1320609]howell definitely still has things to work on, but he did show very good signs. TH has shown well under pressure though and I think spending a year learning wouldn't be the worst for howell.[/quote]

This.

Some people here act like it would be a terrible thing for Howell to redshirt this year lol. Let him sit and learn for a year, it's not gonna hurt his development.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1320498]I really don't get the urge, after some nice plays against and with people that will at best be on practice squad in a few hours, to name Howell #2 [I]since we have an established starter. [/I]
Develop the kid as far as you can from the crazy buzz greedy [I]media's spotlights[/I], and either promote him #2 when he's [I]clearly earned it[/I], or [B]once you've[I] traded Heinicke[/B][/I] if you feel like you can afford to (in which case leaving Heinicke as your #2 increases his value, but i don't think that's a realistic idea [I]right now[/I]).

If Wentz gets injured, I'll trust the coaching staff to know who gives the team a better chance, and if Taylor starts but plays really bad then you could still name Howell the starter with less pressure.

Anyway [I]we're not cutting any of them[/I], so what's the big deal?[/quote]

I think you mean cut. Nobody is going to trade for TH.

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[quote=irish;1320614]I think you mean cut. Nobody is going to trade for TH.[/quote]

yeah seriously, i read that yesterday and was like no one in the NFL is trading anything for TH. If not for this dumpster of a fire franchise TH be selling home insurance not playing house as a NFL QB.

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[QUOTE=irish;1320614]I think you mean cut. Nobody is going to trade for TH.[/QUOTE]To my defense there was indeed some alcohol in my blood at the time of that message. But isn't a swap of players and/or late round picks a realistic option for a back up QB ?

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I don't think it's crazy to think we could get compensation for TH if there was a team in a pinch at the QB position.

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[quote=mredskins;1320615]yeah seriously, i read that yesterday and was like no one in the NFL is trading anything for TH. If not for this dumpster of a fire franchise TH be selling home insurance not playing house as a NFL QB.[/quote]

Exactly!. Only in Washington.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1320622]I don't think it's crazy to think we could get compensation for TH if there was a team in a pinch at the QB position.[/quote]

My thinking too. Even a team with a solid starter but no decent back up could be willing to give away at least a 7th, or swap 5th and 6th, wouldn't it?

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Let's not forget Geno Smith and David Mills are NFL starters ^^

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1320721]Let's not forget Geno Smith and David Mills are NFL starters ^^

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Also, there are teams with poor quality backups. If one of them has a starter go down, they are toast. Heinicke could help one of them. So, he has potential trade value.

But there is no reason to trade him, even if Sam Howell were to pass him on the depth chart. I just don't understand why whenever we establish solid depth at a position someone on this site wants to trade away our advantage.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1320722]Also, there are teams with poor quality backups. If one of them has a starter go down, they are toast. Heineke could help one of them. So, he has trade value.



But there is no reason to trade him, even if Sam Howell were to pass him on the depth chart. I just don't understand why whenever we establish solid depth at a position someone on this site wants to trade away our advantage.[/QUOTE]Good point. It's not that I want to trade him, just that it would be one scenario where Howell would become our 2. And then it became a discussion about how tradable he is.
Neither (promoting Howell/trading Taylor) need to be rushed. But if it became obvious for everybody in the building that Howell was better than Heinicke, I wouldn't be against getting some value back while we can.

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Wentz isnt lasting a full season imo. Heinike last year aside ... our starters never finish the season.

I just assume Heinike will take more snaps then Wentz come end of season.

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Wentz had that ACL in 2017, and a back problem in 2018, other than that I don't see a glaring injury history. Seems he's been fairly durable.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1320748]Wentz had that ACL in 2017, and a back problem in 2018, other than that I don't see a glaring injury history. Seems he's been fairly durable.[/quote]

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North-West side of Fed Ex ... I think its angry Jalen Hurts escaped injury last year.

Its like Final Destination ...

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[quote=SunnySide;1320750][IMG]https://i1.wp.com/www.sopitas.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/lesiones-campo-washington-football-team.jpeg[/IMG]

North-West side of Fed Ex ... I think its angry Jalen Hurts escaped injury last year.

Its like Final Destination ...[/quote]

Is that where all the sewage drains, making it slippery?