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He sucked ass but then hit a stride the last 5-6 games


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[quote=Chico23231;1313069]Defensive back Bobby McCain is signing back with the Commanders on a two-year, $11 million deal, per @DrewJRosenhaus and @NFLrecord.[/quote]

McCain is a bottom tier starting safety imo. Thats not necessarily a slight, there is a big gap btw a Bobby McCain and a Deshazor Evertte/Jeremy Reaves of the world.

I was hoping for an upgrade at FS though, a clear cut upgrade.

Looking like we roll into next year with the same secondary that was 4th in most passing yards allowed (4,333 fucking yards)

McCain
Curl
Jackson
Fuller
St Juste

Forrest
Reaves
Apke

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[quote=SunnySide;1313073]McCain is a bottom tier starting safety imo. Thats not necessarily a slight, there is a big gap btw a Bobby McCain and a Deshazor Evertte/Jeremy Reaves of the world.

I was hoping for an upgrade at FS though, a clear cut upgrade.

Looking like we roll into next year with the same secondary that was 4th in most passing yards allowed (4,333 fucking yards)

McCain
Curl
Jackson
Fuller
St Juste

Forrest
Reaves
Apke[/quote]

What makes you think that is what the secondary will look like next year? I mean we are barely on day 2 of free agency, haven't had a draft yet, and a lot of moves happen between the end of the draft and week 1.

It is a little premature for everyone to be coming to these conclusions as to what this team will look like in September, based on the last [U]one[/U] day's worth of action...

Anyway Bobby McCain is solid. I don't even know whether he is a Safety or Cornerback. He's listed as both depending where you look, but that also speaks to his versatility. He's no Jalen Ramsey or Tyrann Mathieu, but he's not getting paid as such either. I think he falls somewhere near 50th for average salary for defensive backs - and that is IF all that 11 Mil is guaranteed.

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We got a 3rd and two 7 round picks for our FA loses.


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[quote=Chico23231;1313069]Defensive back Bobby McCain is signing back with the Commanders on a two-year, $11 million deal, per @DrewJRosenhaus and @NFLrecord.[/quote]

Typical Ron move keep the shitty players and let the good ones walk. Apke and McCain suck ass!! SMH.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1313074]What makes you think that is what the secondary will look like next year? I mean we are barely on day 2 of free agency, haven't had a draft yet, and a lot of moves happen between the end of the draft and week 1.

It is a little premature for everyone to be coming to these conclusions as to what this team will look like in September, based on the last [U]one[/U] day's worth of action...

Anyway Bobby McCain is solid. I don't even know whether he is a Safety or Cornerback. He's listed as both depending where you look, but that also speaks to his versatility. He's no Jalen Ramsey or Tyrann Mathieu, but he's not getting paid as such either. I think he falls somewhere near 50th for average salary for defensive backs - and that is IF all that 11 Mil is guaranteed.[/quote]
Im with you 100% on to early to tell or starting moaning ... id rather be quiet vs over paying and weve seen overpaying so far.

But Im not doing that here.

Our starters on secondary are inked in, locked in for 2022. McCain/Curl are your starting safeties, Jackson/Fuller/St Juste are your top 3 corners. I like McCain for what he is a low end starting caliber safety. But he is a starter and im fine with it. I wouldnt be fine with Everette or Reaves type player as a starter week 1.

I did want a clear upgrade at FS but Im not bashing McCain the player. I did want someone who I can trust going single high to be able to stay single high and not let someone get behind him. A true sideline to sideline FS. McCain is a poor man's coverage safety imo.

I dont think im jumping the gun saying McCain/Curl/Jackson/Fuller/St Juste are the starting 5 ... the same starting 5 we had last year sans Collins.

We are going to add a safety, ad a CB4 and CB5 but the starters are pretty locked imo.

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JARVIS LANDRY ANYONE?

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[quote=Meks;1313078]JARVIS LANDRY ANYONE?[/quote]

Rather have Ju-Ju in the slot

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[quote=SunnySide;1313077]Im with you 100% on to early to tell or starting moaning ... id rather be quiet vs over paying and weve seen overpaying so far.

But Im not doing that here.

Our starters on secondary are inked in, locked in for 2022. McCain/Curl are your starting safeties, Jackson/Fuller/St Juste are your top 3 corners. I like McCain for what he is a low end starting caliber safety. But he is a starter and im fine with it. I wouldnt be fine with Everette or Reaves type player as a starter week 1.

I did want a clear upgrade at FS but Im not bashing McCain the player. I did want someone who I can trust going single high to be able to stay single high and not let someone get behind him. A true sideline to sideline FS. McCain is a poor man's coverage safety imo.

I dont think im jumping the gun saying McCain/Curl/Jackson/Fuller/St Juste are the starting 5 ... the same starting 5 we had last year sans Collins.

We are going to add a safety, ad a CB4 and CB5 but the starters are pretty locked imo.[/quote]

We only have 5 picks now too (maybe 6 now, but that was another 7th rounder), so that could have played a part in keeping McClain. Can't fill every position in the draft with our limited picks, so some guys were needed to stay.

Hopefully he plays like he did at the end of the season, and not like the beginning.

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[quote=Chico23231;1313080]Rather have Ju-Ju in the slot[/quote]

Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

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We're used to signing a handful of guys in free agency, sometimes more. This time we have acquired one very impactful player at the most important position.

You can argue about whether it's a positive impact or a negative impact. I personally think we added more wins with one trade than we have in any prior offseason in a long time.

There are still holes to fill but I think they'll be filled over the next few weeks.

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[quote=SunnySide;1313077]Im with you 100% on to early to tell or starting moaning ... id rather be quiet vs over paying and weve seen overpaying so far.

But Im not doing that here.

[B]Our starters on secondary are inked in, locked in for 2022.[/B] McCain/Curl are your starting safeties, Jackson/Fuller/St Juste are your top 3 corners. I like McCain for what he is a low end starting caliber safety. But he is a starter and im fine with it. I wouldnt be fine with Everette or Reaves type player as a starter week 1.

I did want a clear upgrade at FS but Im not bashing McCain the player. I did want someone who I can trust going single high to be able to stay single high and not let someone get behind him. A true sideline to sideline FS. McCain is a poor man's coverage safety imo.

I dont think im jumping the gun saying McCain/Curl/Jackson/Fuller/St Juste are the starting 5 ... the same starting 5 we had last year sans Collins.

We are going to add a safety, ad a CB4 and CB5 but the starters are pretty locked imo.[/quote]

I am not ready to say that just yet. It's entirely possible, but it's way too early to say that.

3 days after the tampering period started last year we signed Ryan Fitzpatrick, Tyler Larsen, Kyle Allen, and Dustin Hopkins.

4 days after the tampering period started last year we signed William Jackson and Curtis Samuel.

After that - Adam Humphries, Darryl Roberts, De Andre Carter, Sammis Reyes, Ereck Flowers.

Then we had the Draft...

Then we brought in Charles Leno, Bobby McCain, Ricky Seals-Jones, some other depth pieces throughout the summer.

I'm not sure how you can think - definitively - that they are done in the secondary, or any position group for that matter.

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Eagles don’t tender Boston Scott

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Pretty good article on options in FA after JDM left.

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/commanders/3-running-backs-commanders-can-sign-replace-jd-mckissic[/url]

I know Tarik Cohen used to be a beast for the Bears, but I'd be concerned after an ACL injury for a speedy back.

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McKinnon and JDM are very similar players with like athletic abilities. McKinnon might be a good choice as a replacement.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1313076]Typical Ron move keep the shitty players and let the good ones walk. Apke and McCain suck ass!! SMH.[/quote]

I have to say those 2 signings are head scratchers... McCain wasn't absolutely horrible but I do remember too many blown coverages for him to have zero responsibility in any of them...

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Yes there is a lot of FA to go and there will be bargains to be had, but do we really want to be going back to the Jon Bostic bargain bin of starting MLB for a third year? That was one position where investment in one of the many good options would have paid real dividends. I just have this sinking feeling we will once again be entering training camp with a real need at linebacker

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1313076]Typical Ron move keep the shitty players and let the good ones walk. Apke and McCain suck ass!! SMH.[/quote]

Not sure what they see in McCain to give him 11 mill over 2 years. As long as Apke stays on teams I am fine w/ him coming back.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1313140]Yes there is a lot of FA to go and there will be bargains to be had, but do we really want to be going back to the Jon Bostic bargain bin of starting MLB for a third year? That was one position where investment in one of the many good options would have paid real dividends. [B]I just have this sinking feeling we will once again be entering training camp with a real need at linebacker[/B][/quote]

That may be deemed to be an overreaction but if we do I will lose almost all faith in Ron and JDR.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1313142]That may be deemed to be an overreaction but if we do I will lose almost all faith in Ron and JDR.[/quote]

Yes maybe an overreaction , but colored by the history of the last two years not a massive overreaction.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1313144]Yes maybe an overreaction , but colored by the history of the last two years not a massive overreaction.[/quote]

Yeah it's just beyond me that we all knew last year that Holcomb, Bostic, a rookie and zero depth was not good enough at LB, but our 2 ex NFL LBs coaches thought "meeh we're fine, just sign David Mayo for good measure and our front 7 is set!".
So it would be amazing to me that they do the [I]same mistake 2 years in a row[/I], let Bostic go and say "meeeh we'll just draft a guy and sign a couple of UDFA"...

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1313123]McKinnon and JDM are very similar players with like athletic abilities. McKinnon might be a good choice as a replacement.[/quote]

mckinnon would be a great choice i believe skill level very similar to JDM but he is faster and stronger

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Washington Commanders are expected to sign back WR Cam Sims, per source. That's in the works.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1313093]I am not ready to say that just yet. It's entirely possible, but it's way too early to say that.

3 days after the tampering period started last year we signed Ryan Fitzpatrick, Tyler Larsen, Kyle Allen, and Dustin Hopkins.

4 days after the tampering period started last year we signed William Jackson and Curtis Samuel.

After that - Adam Humphries, Darryl Roberts, De Andre Carter, Sammis Reyes, Ereck Flowers.

Then we had the Draft...

Then we brought in Charles Leno, Bobby McCain, Ricky Seals-Jones, some other depth pieces throughout the summer.

I'm not sure how you can think - definitively - that they are done in the secondary, or any position group for that matter.[/quote]

For me Im comfortable with saying our starting secondary is set, unless we draft a secondary guy at 11 (Hamilton/Stingley/Gardner).

I dont think we have the cap or roster need to add an impact secondary FA.

Im talking adding a starter secondary player ... not depth. Most of the guys you listed we either depth or we had a roster need for a starter.

We dont have the cap to add an impact guy in the secondary, any cap needs to go filling out our roster depth .. we have about 40 guys under contract who will make the 53, we have a lot of depth guys to add.

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They can always make cap room, but if you end up being correct - that the starting secondary is already inked, then at least they will have continuity, which was a big problem to start the season last year.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1313171]JP Finlay Retweeted
Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
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3m
Washington Commanders are expected to sign back WR Cam Sims, per source. That's in the works.[/quote]

I want to see Cam Sims with a real QB, I think if he was on another team with his growth the last 2 years…he could be a 50+ 6-7 TD guy out of a outside #2WR. He can get up for balls

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They really love Sims but never throw him the damn ball.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1313178]They can always make cap room, but if you end up being correct - that the starting secondary is already inked, then at least they will have continuity, which was a big problem to start the season last year.[/quote]

Agreed. If an impact FS is a late cut and we can add him, IM all for that.

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I would have thought the game he had against Pittsburgh would have garnered more opportunities in the offence and interest from other teams. I like him as a WR 4/5 and we need a big endzone target alongside LT. Does it mean they don't intend to draft a WR I wonder. They have lots of other holes to fill and only 3 picks in the top 5 rounds.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1313140]Yes there is a lot of FA to go and there will be bargains to be had, but do we really want to be going back to the Jon Bostic bargain bin of starting MLB for a third year? That was one position where investment in one of the many good options would have paid real dividends. I just have this sinking feeling we will once again be entering training camp with a real need at linebacker[/quote]

The Commanders brain trust needs to get to the heart of the matter about the needs of this team in FA. What I think we need most now is a leader for the defense. That's why Bobby Wagner should be our "must get" target in FA. He would elevate our defense and our entire team. Remember how much London Fletcher did for us and consider that Wagner is an even better player than Fletcher was.

Now, I imagine that Wagner doesn't particularly want to come here. So, we need to offer him significantly more money than any other team. Take your best shot, RR!

[I]Edit: From Cowboy Country website 3/14/22: FRISCO - The Dallas Cowboys are involved in what a source terms "exploratory'' talks with just-cut Seattle Seahawks franchise icon linebacker Bobby Wagner.

Wagner, who will be 32 in June, has a connection with Dallas defensive coordinator Dan Quinn, who once held the same role in Seattle. And Quinn, we're told, would be central to Wagner's decision to [B]come to the Cowboys for less money than he might get elsewhere.[/B][/I]

Don't let this happen!

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[quote=skinsfan69;1313182]They really love Sims but never throw him the damn ball.[/quote]

Wentz says hold my beer

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1313186]The Commanders brain trust needs to get to the heart of the matter about the needs of this team in FA. What I think we need most now is a leader for the defense. That's why Bobby Wagner should be our "must get" target in FA. He would elevate our defense and our entire team. Remember how much London Fletcher did for us and consider that Wagner is an even better player than Fletcher was.

[B]Now, I imagine that Wagner doesn't particularly want to come here. So, we need to offer him significantly more money than any other team. Take your best shot, RR[/B]![/quote]

Everyone needs to understand every time you over pay someone it means we can't get two or three other players and it can hamper us for years. Even fucking Dan Synder has figured out over paying folks is useless.

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[quote=mredskins;1313190]Everyone needs to understand every time you over pay someone it means we can't get two or three other players and it can hamper us for years. [B]Even fucking Dan Snyder has figured out over paying folks is useless[/B].[/quote]

I wouldn't bet your life on that. :laughing-

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[quote=mredskins;1313190]Everyone needs to understand every time you over pay someone it means we can't get two or three other players and it can hamper us for years. Even fucking Dan Synder has figured out over paying folks is useless.[/quote]

I see this as an exception to the rule, especially when you consider the typically low quality of the "two or three players" we have signed in FA in the past. Also, I doubt that RR has two or three years left to build a winner before he is fired by Mrs. Snyder.

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JDM is staying , same deal as buffalo. Nice!


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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1313272]JDM is staying , same deal as buffalo. Nice!


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These dueling FA threads got me feeling like Tomatoa

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Lol seriously. Can we merge this stuff?

Maybe we can merge these free agency threads with the dueling political threads snd call it all the 2022 Washington Commander build back better thread? [emoji848]

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[quote=punch it in;1313293]Lol seriously. Can we merge this stuff?

Maybe we can merge these free agency threads with the dueling political threads snd call it all the 2022 Washington Commander build back better thread? [emoji848][/quote]

genius!

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Well the tamper window is now closed ... and this is the tamper window thread so ....

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