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[quote=skinsfaninok;1298429]It's going to have to be a young no name guy regardless. Unless Ron can turn this around by 2022.. Right now with no QB, I don't see it happening[/quote]

We did that with Zorn and it was awesome year!

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1298431]Draft a QB with every pick next year lol. Keep the best 2 and Allen/Heinicke can compete to be the veteran 3rd QB.[/quote]

Why keep keep Allen and TH around? Save the spot for the next Frerotte or Cousins.

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[quote=MTK;1298430]lol we just went down the road of a new "young" guy, Jay Gruden, rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat.

I'm frustrated AF right now but the fact is Rivera needs a full 3 years to know if this is heading in the right direction or not. And he needs a QB. This talk of moving on from him already is ridiculous.[/quote]

I did say that no one has heard of yet. We all knew who he was. Also, if you are a relative of someone famous that already coached, you are a retread. Turner is one too.

I agree he needs 3 years. But for 24 hours, once a week, I want his ass fired lol.

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[quote=jamf;1298435]Why keep keep Allen and TH around? Save the spot for the next Frerotte or Cousins.[/quote]

Yeah, that's fine too. 3 rookie royal rumble for who starts week 1 2022.

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Folks, it doesn't matter. We've already done the high profile retreads (Gibbs, Shanahan), the college coach (Spurrier), the out of left field shot in the dark (Zorn), the up and coming coordinator (Gruden). We've done it all.

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[quote=MTK;1298438]Folks, it doesn't matter. We've already done the high profile retreads (Gibbs, Shanahan), the college coach (Spurrier), the out of left field shot in the dark (Zorn), the up and coming coordinator (Gruden). We've done it all.[/quote]

We need to try Assistant WR Coach.

But you are right, a Snyder owned team will never win shit. And he doesn't deserve to win shit. Sucks that we all have to be punished for his sins.

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[quote=MTK;1298427]Stop gap for who?

We already out kicked our coverage just getting Ron in the first place.

Nobody higher profile than Ron is coming to take this job.[/quote]

Exactly!!!!

No creditable head coach would want come here.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1298440]We need to try Assistant WR Coach.

But you are right, a Snyder owned team will never win shit. And he doesn't deserve to win shit. Sucks that we all have to be punished for his sins.[/quote]

Maybe Dan's HVAC guy will know who to hire next.

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[quote=MTK;1298442]Maybe Dan's HVAC guy will know who to hire next.[/quote]

😆 🤣 😂

Get em' on the horn.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1298379]Yeah. That was the nail in the coffin. I don't have much faith in the organization or any of the top guys. Wright blew it with the ST21 fiasco, Rivera blew it, JDR blew it, and of course Blewit blew it.

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I highly doubt Wright had much to do w/ the Taylor embarrassment. That had Dan or Tayna written all over it.

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The big issue this season is the disappointing defense, everyone is upset that they have regressed from year one to two under Ron/Del Rio...they made a few changes and they have not worked at all. If the defense was playing well and we were still losing (because of lack of QB mostly) I really don't think fans would be where we're at. But with the defense sucking, the losing, and all the other Dan shit...here we are. So if next seasons defense doesn't get back to at least the 2020 defense AND somehow get a decent starting QB...Ron's days will be numbered.

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Ron isn't going anywhere. He gets at least 3 years. Problem is we'll most likely be playing a rookie a good portion of the 2022 season. Expect more losses next year. How will ownership take to that? Will they have the patience as the losses mount?

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1298444]I highly doubt Wright had much to do w/ the Taylor embarrassment. That had Dan or Tayna written all over it.[/QUOTE]That Wright didn't/couldn't/wouldn't step in and prevent it is where he blew it. Sure it was the Snyder's doing, but as the president, he had to put his fight in and draw the line, or if it was to be done over his objections- make damn sure that there are no port a potties in the pictures.

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[quote=Redskins247;1298445]The big issue this season is the disappointing defense, everyone is upset that they have regressed from year one to two under Ron/Del Rio...they made a few changes and they have not worked at all. If the defense was playing well and we were still losing (because of lack of QB mostly) I really don't think fans would be where we're at. But with the defense sucking, the losing, and all the other Dan shit...here we are. So if next seasons defense doesn't get back to at least the 2020 defense AND somehow get a decent starting QB...Ron's days will be numbered.[/quote]

This is where Im feel like I am at. I predicted wed go 8-9, miss the playoffs and get bad draft spot to boot but I also predicted wed be competitive and in games. losing close ones.

This?

This defense? With all the resources we poured into it?

mind blowing how it is even possible for this group of talent on D to be performing so poorly. They have improved a tiny bit in LB coverage play. Perhaps our DL is winning at the LOS just not making splash plays.

If this D played half as good as they should be, were 4-4 and right where we thought we would be.

The D play is just incomprehensible.

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There is no salary cap on what coaches are paid. People will come here for the money. Shanahan came here knowing how incompetent and meddlesome Dan is. He was the biggest name in the NFL w/out a job at the time and he had no problem taking Dan's $.

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I just don't know why anyone EVER expected success from Rivera. His time at Carolina was successful when Cam was acting like superman. As Cam declined, so did the team. Rivera did nothing special there. Why expect a different result here?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1298447]That Wright didn't/couldn't/wouldn't step in and prevent it is where he blew it. Sure it was the Snyder's doing, but as the president, he had to put his fight in and draw the line, or if it was to be done over his objections- make damn sure that there are no port a potties in the pictures.

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I think couldn't is the key word there..

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1298470]I think couldn't is the key word there..[/QUOTE]I think couldn't is a cop out. He shouldn't have allowed it and it should have been a hill to die on. ST holds a special place in this team's history and Wright should have gone to any length to prevent what happened.



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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1298471]I think couldn't is a cop out. He shouldn't have allowed it and it should have been a hill to die on. ST holds a special place in this team's history and Wright should have gone to any length to prevent what happened.



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When his bosses ( who are paying you a lot of money ) want something done in the end he is going to go along. It's part of the territory working for Dan. He can object, he probably did but he does not sign the checks.

Reminds me of when Dan came in the draft room and took Haskins. What are the coaches and scouts going to do?

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1298474]When his bosses ( who are paying you a lot of money ) want something done in the end he is going to go along. It's part of the territory working for Dan. He can object, he probably did but he does not sign the checks.



Reminds me of when Dan came in the draft room and took Haskins. What are the coaches and scouts going to do?[/QUOTE]It's one thing for a coach or assistant to object in a draft. It is different for the president of the organization. I resigned as general manager of a company because the owner was out of line on holiday pay. I think if Wright and Rivera stood up to Dan or Tanya on ST they would have won, or at least gotten it handled better. That's what changing the organization means for the WFT.

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Is there a current coach / system that could take this team(current roster)to playoffs? Would New England staff win 9 games with this roster ??

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8 out of 11 seasons he has been a loser, but let’s keep wondering if he is going to succeed…….[emoji849]

He is a loser, it is what he does.

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1298478]Is there a current coach / system that could take this team(current roster)to playoffs? Would New England staff win 9 games with this roster ??[/QUOTE]


Well there are certainly coaches or systems that wont run a shotgun formation in third and short over and over again. Certainly that would get more out if four first round picks on the d line. Certainly that wouldn’t wait to cut a kicker until the only replacement wasnt a guy who cant kick over the crossbar. I could go on and on. Our personnel doesn’t scream playoff run. But it certainly doesn’t scream bottom three in the league.

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[quote=punch it in;1298487]8 out of 11 seasons he has been a loser, but let’s keep wondering if he is going to succeed…….[emoji849]

He is a loser, it is what he does.[/quote]


It's hard to have hope and believe in Ron's plan......the team has had significant injuries but the team should still be winning instead of losing.......he signed a 5 year contract.....the team should be 4-4 at the very least.

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[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;1298490]It's hard to have hope and believe in Ron's plan......the team has had significant injuries but the team should still be winning instead of losing.......he signed a 5 year contract.....the team should be 4-4 at the very least.[/QUOTE]


Everyone has significant injuries. Our schedule is tougher but we should be better. Look at the game last night. The Chiefs are not good, but they kicked our ass at home. The Giants went into arrowhead and played better than us.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1298474]When his bosses ( who are paying you a lot of money ) want something done in the end he is going to go along. It's part of the territory working for Dan. He can object, he probably did but he does not sign the checks.

Reminds me of when Dan came in the draft room and took Haskins. What are the coaches and scouts going to do?[/quote]

Totally agree.

It was clearly another boneheaded Snyder led move, 100%. For all we know JW stood on the table and whole heartedly objected, but in the end the final say goes to the owner. Was JW supposed to quit over this?

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[quote=MTK;1298496]Totally agree.

It was clearly another boneheaded Snyder led move, 100%. For all we know JW stood on the table and whole heartedly objected, but in the end the final say goes to the owner. Was JW supposed to quit over this?[/quote]

The picture of DS in his hoodie at the ST ceremony just makes me want punch that little fuck in the face.

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[quote=mredskins;1298501]The picture of DS in his hoodie at the ST ceremony just makes me want punch that little fuck in the face.[/quote]

Dude is low rent as they come.

He may have $$ but deep down he's trash.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1298503]Dude is low rent as they come.

He may have $$ but deep down he's trash.[/QUOTE]


Yeah money cant buy you class. You either have it or you don’t.
It can however afford you the thought that your shit don’t stink.

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He has to find a QB, and maybe Del Rio might have to go, but for now I'm willing to stick with Ron.

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I posted about Rivera being a stop gap coach. (Political hire, if you will.) I truly believe that. I don't have any idea who his replacement will be but either this year of next, he will be gone. I may not have much background in football but I have an immense background in business.

Snyder needed creditability. Rivera is well thought is around the NFL and gave Snyder that semblance of creditability. The real issues that had to be addressed were those in the management levels. Hiring Rivera created the perception that he was trying to turn the culture and team around. Note how the NFL and fans accepted that perception. Snyder was facing immense pressure from bad press, lawsuits and revelation's of misconduct. There were even media stories that suggested that the NFL was in the process of forcing Snyder to sell the team. (Yes the NFL can do that.) Snyder may be a lousy team owner but he is a smart businessman. Hiring Rivera was a business move, pure and simple.

I have been a Redskins fan (yes, Redskins) since 1945. Nothing is going to change that. I will still be rooting for the team when they play.

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Tough for me to answer.

I like Ron. I think he entered a situation that would have perplexed Vince Lombardi and Bill Walsh. He has had to deal with Snyder, Investigations, the Name Change, and general disarray. All the while fighting Cancer.

Normally, I would give any first year Washington coach a pass for the first season. Yet Ron bought us to the playoffs. Yea, it was a crappy division and we had a losing record, but it still was ... something. Maybe this is the year I give him a pass.

Otherwise, I kind of feel like I did just before Spurrier left. I felt great disappointment yet could not come up with a better alternative. Then St Joe came for his second tour.

I am with MTK- I don't know if anyone can do it here.

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[quote=JackLord;1299096]Tough for me to answer.

I like Ron. I think he entered a situation that would have perplexed Vince Lombardi and Bill Walsh. He has had to deal with Snyder, Investigations, the Name Change, and general disarray. All the while fighting Cancer.

Normally, I would give any first year Washington coach a pass for the first season. Yet Ron bought us to the playoffs. Yea, it was a crappy division and we had a losing record, but it still was ... something. Maybe this is the year I give him a pass.

Otherwise, I kind of feel like I did just before Spurrier left. I felt great disappointment yet could not come up with a better alternative. Then St Joe came for his second tour.

[B]I am with MTK- I don't know if anyone can do it here[/B].[/quote]

Exactly, its a impossible job.

It be interesting if you could reverse time and have Tomlin as our coach, I bet if he started in our organization over Pitt he been done gone out of football.

This place is losers row.

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[quote=MTK;1298503]Dude is low rent as they come.

He may have $$ but deep down he's trash.[/quote]

He has $$ but his legacy will always be tarnished. He has to be one of the least respected owners in all pro sports..

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Ron was the best hire on the table at that time … this is deeper than the coach .
He will get another year and hopefully he can right this ship but truth is I’m not sure any coach could win in DC culture.

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85 wins and 78 losses is what he is.....he's an average head coach at best.....he could very well end up with more career losses than wins if his losing ways continue......
[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/RiveRo0.htm[/url]

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Ron was light years better than anything this organization could have hoped for. Like MTK said in a previous post, WFT has tried every form of coach so I don't see what firing RR will solve. They aren't getting anyone better.

While RR is an average coach at best, what I do think he has that no coach since Gibbs 2 has is gravitas. He's a seasoned coach who's respected throughout the NFL and on some level Snyder respects that. Gruden had none of that and Snyder didn't respect him. Bringing in another up and coming coach will only be a repeat of Gruden. WFT may as well let Rivera run his course.

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If RR is let go ( I don’t believe he will or should) WHO would man this sinking ship ? Maybe a lifetime assistance coach on a bad team, Jason Garrett types may take it but who wants someone like that . With a top QB Ron has a Super Bowl under his belt , we need a top QB first then maybe a coach can succeed..

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[quote=irish;1299164]Ron was light years better than anything this organization could have hoped for. Like MTK said in a previous post, WFT has tried every form of coach so I don't see what firing RR will solve. They aren't getting anyone better.

While RR is an average coach at best, what I do think he has that no coach since Gibbs 2 has is gravitas. He's a seasoned coach who's respected throughout the NFL and on some level Snyder respects that. Gruden had none of that and Snyder didn't respect him. Bringing in another up and coming coach will only be a repeat of Gruden. WFT may as well let Rivera run his course.[/quote]

Agreed. Wanting to replace RR after 1.5 season is how we go into this mess in the first place. Id like to give RR at least til the end of next year, no matter how bad it gets.

Even if you want RR gone now .... dont you think hes owed the opportunity to see how he and the team responds to this second half? Give him a chance to right the ship a bit, improve on some things.

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[quote=oldfan;1299043]I posted about Rivera being a stop gap coach. (Political hire, if you will.) I truly believe that. I don't have any idea who his replacement will be but either this year of next, he will be gone. I may not have much background in football but I have an immense background in business.

Snyder needed creditability. Rivera is well thought is around the NFL and gave Snyder that semblance of creditability. The real issues that had to be addressed were those in the management levels. Hiring Rivera created the perception that he was trying to turn the culture and team around. Note how the NFL and fans accepted that perception. Snyder was facing immense pressure from bad press, lawsuits and revelation's of misconduct. There were even media stories that suggested that the NFL was in the process of forcing Snyder to sell the team. (Yes the NFL can do that.) Snyder may be a lousy team owner but he is a smart businessman. Hiring Rivera was a business move, pure and simple.

I have been a Redskins fan (yes, Redskins) since 1945. Nothing is going to change that. I will still be rooting for the team when they play.[/quote]

Every move is technically a business decision. I agree that Ron brings credibility, but he wasn't exactly a total slouch of a coach either. We are talking about a guy with a winning record, multiple division titles and a SB appearance. He was brought in to change the culture in the building and also to win. Those things go hand in hand.

You can't bring in a guy to undertake a culture change as serious as this one but also think of him as a stop gap. That doesn't make any sense. Nobody was going to come in here and turn things around on a dime. It's a 3-5 year project. Dan has to give him a legit opportunity to right the ship otherwise we're back to square one. Gruden had almost 6 seasons here, why wouldn't Ron get a similar opportunity?