Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=punch it in;1268485]That is fine. See you in 2022. Maybe. If the guy pans out. Because Smith and Allen and DH are not winning us a super bowl next year. They are not bringing us close to one.
I have no problem with drafting a quarterback but we need a more productive stop gap to mentor him because we can win big with one while the youngster learns. The rest of this team is good enough to win big now. The Quarterback position is literally holding us back.
I think taking the money into account and taking your time is fine ... unless our draftee turns into DH again. I believe there is a way to get someone better than Smith for next year that gives us a chance to win without breaking the bank and mortgaging our future all while grooming someone for the future.[/quote]

How did Joe Gibbs win? Were any of his QB's stars besides Theismann? Next year barring injury we are going to be stacked on both sides, we have some really good players on IR even though unproven, my gut tells me Charles, AGG, Love and maybe even Ruben Foster will pan out. We need someone to manage the ball not a superstar.

I'm intrigued with Steven Montez, maybe with some coaching and mentoring he could rise above Allen and Haskins. I hope he goes to camp next year.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1268490]How did Joe Gibbs win? Were any of his QB's stars besides Theismann? Next year barring injury we are going to be stacked on both sides, we have some really good players on IR even though unproven, my gut tells me Charles, AGG, Love and maybe even Ruben Foster will pan out. We need someone to manage the ball not a superstar.



I'm intrigued with Steven Montez, maybe with some coaching and mentoring he could rise above Allen and Haskins. I hope he goes to camp next year.[/QUOTE]



Who said anything about a star quarterback? I said someone better than Smith. Someone who can throw it 10-15 yards consistently certainly does not constitute a star.

Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, even Schroeder - those guys when they played for us were all waaaaaaaay more capable than Alex is now. It is not even close.

Not to mention Gibbs also had a hof rb and o line and one of the best wr trios in history. A phenomenon tight end. A Kicker who never missed.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

Kyle Allen should play and start over Alex Smith next season IF HEALTHY

Start there.

Kyle will be cheaper and has played just as well.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

I just don't see how we get any of the top 4 QB's in the draft. We will not pick high enough.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=punch it in;1268475]If it is the difference between winning and losing then yes. Keep Alex as a backup. Whatever you would be paying his replacement comes right off the top. Offer Alex a position for life and work a deal? Idk. Not my job. But he cannot start 16 games next year and us expect to be serious contenders. So however they make it happen make it happen.[/quote]

We'll see. Maybe they try to grab a FA QB in the off season. Maybe they draft the future WFT QB. Maybe DH is the starter day 1. We'll just have to wait and see. I don't know what they will do, or can do.

But if Alex is healthy, this team can be serious contenders. They are now, and he didn't even start until week 9. They are 4-1 with him as the starter - should be 5-0 if it weren't for a bone head penalty by the best player on the team. Alex is the reason this team is a serious contender right now. The defense obviously deserves an equal amount of credit, they have been good all year. However, this team wasn't playing complementary football until Smith became the starter.

Maybe a better QB will fall into their lap for next to nothing in 2021. I don't buy it, but maybe... If not, and Alex is g2g, then I'm fine with rolling with him until he isn't.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=Chico23231;1268509]Kyle Allen should play and start over Alex Smith next season IF HEALTHY

Start there.

Kyle will be cheaper and has played just as well.[/quote]

I think we'd be in the same spot right now if Allen had been playing the last 4 weeks. I'd be fine with him as the short term guy and who knows maybe he can turn that into something more.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

Rivers would be my preferred optoin.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=Ohioskins;1268521]Rivers would be my preferred optoin.[/quote]

If Rivers decides to play next year, I would be shocked to see him go to a different team unless Colts is the one who decides to move on. Rivers and Reich have good relationship.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=GridIron26;1268526]If Rivers decides to play next year, I would be shocked to see him go to a different team unless Colts is the one who decides to move on. Rivers and Reich have good relationship.[/quote]

Call me crazy but if Hurts pans out in Philly, I see a team that would be a perfect fit for Wentz, Indy. Reich former coach, great OL, running game, young up and coming receivers, the perfect recipe to regain your confidence. Maybe Wentz could redo his contract to accommodate his new team.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=Chico23231;1268509]Kyle Allen should play and start over Alex Smith next season IF HEALTHY

Start there.

Kyle will be cheaper and has played just as well.[/quote]

Allen has not played just as well as Smith. 610 yards passing in 5 games and 1-3 as a starter? He is coming off a major injury as well...I'm not sure that would be my first choice if the plan is to move on from Smith.

If you've made the decision to move on from Smith and don't get your day 1 QB in the draft, then you probably do bite the bullet and lure a FA in here. Who that would be, I don't know.

I see Stafford's name thrown around a lot, but he is under contract for the next two years. I don't see that as an option.

Maybe you can bring in a guy like Dalton, Winston, Trubisky...

Good discussion, but I like the discussions about this year better. I'm enjoying the fact that this team is in 1st place right now with a chance to host a playoff game.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1268529]Allen has not played just as well as Smith. 610 yards passing in 5 games and 1-3 as a starter? He is coming off a major injury as well...I'm not sure that would be my first choice if the plan is to move on from Smith.

If you've made the decision to move on from Smith and don't get your day 1 QB in the draft, then you probably do bite the bullet and lure a FA in here. Who that would be, I don't know.

I see Stafford's name thrown around a lot, but he is under contract for the next two years. I don't see that as an option.

Maybe you can bring in a guy like Dalton, Winston, Trubisky...

Good discussion, but I like the discussions about this year better. I'm enjoying the fact that this team is in 1st place right now with a chance to host a playoff game.[/quote]

Out of that list Trubisky would be the only one I would consider

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1268531]Out of that list Trubisky would be the only one I would consider[/quote]

Yeah there's other potentials as well. That isn't a wish list or a FA QB ranking, just jotting down a few of the QBs that may be available, as a "for example".

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=GridIron26;1268526]If Rivers decides to play next year, I would be shocked to see him go to a different team unless Colts is the one who decides to move on. Rivers and Reich have good relationship.[/quote]

Interesting option, but he wouldn't be cheap. He's older, but still looks pretty good. I've always liked his passion for the game. He is scheduled for foot surgery in the offseason - not sure whether or not that would be a concern. He's a gamer though.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=MTK;1268519]I think we'd be in the same spot right now if Allen had been playing the last 4 weeks. I'd be fine with him as the short term guy and who knows maybe he can turn that into something more.[/quote]

Agree...the emergence of Gibson is a bigger factor of the offense’s rise than Alex coming in. Gibson absence on the field this past week really hurt.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

Rivers and Trubisky? Absolutely no to both.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=Chico23231;1268535]Rivers and Trubisky? Absolutely no to both.[/quote]

Yeah seriously

Love Rivers but he's year to year at this point and why would the Colts move on?

Trubisky is trash, so is Darnold. The only name that intrigues me is Stafford in the unlikely event the Lions moved on from him.

I think we're probably looking at Allen and Smith returning with Haskins' future up in the air and we'll see what happens with the draft.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=Chico23231;1268534]Agree...the emergence of Gibson is a bigger factor of the offense’s rise than Alex coming in. Gibson absence on the field this past week really hurt.[/quote]

Again, 610 yards passing over 5 games and 1-3 as the starter. How that is just as good as Smith - I don't get it.

It's not a coincidence that this ENTIRE team has played better since Smith took over. He can't move around much, but he absolutely has made this whole team better. Call it the emergence of Gibson, the defense getting better, the O-line improving...whatever you want to call it - the one change that was made before this team went 4-1 over it's last 5 games, was naming Smith the starter.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=MTK;1268537]Yeah seriously

Love Rivers but he's year to year at this point and why would the Colts move on?

Trubisky is trash, so is Darnold. The only name that intrigues me is Stafford in the unlikely event the Lions moved on from him.

I think we're probably looking at Allen and Smith returning with Haskins' future up in the air and we'll see what happens with the draft.[/quote]

That's kinda been my point. What are you going to get in a Vet FA that is a better option than what we have - without jeopardizing the opportunity to resign some core players, and improve the team with other FAs like offensive linemen, a WR, etc.

Rivers is year to year, but Smith is too.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1268540]Again, 610 yards passing over 5 games and 1-3 as the starter. How that is just as good as Smith - I don't get it.

It's not a coincidence that this ENTIRE team has played better since Smith took over. He can't move around much, but he absolutely has made this whole team better. Call it the emergence of Gibson, the defense getting better, the O-line improving...whatever you want to call it - the one change that was made before this team went 4-1 over it's last 5 games, was naming Smith the starter.[/quote]

Yeah I just disagree. Smith hasn’t been that great, pretty avg. go back and look look at each game Alex played...include the rams and giants game as well. Cincy and Dallas game he really wasn’t asked to do much. I absolutely believe Alex did lift the team and his demeanor helped in a lot of pressure situations. But not buying Kyle didn’t or couldn’t play as well...it will depend on Health tho. I expect Alex if he is named starter next year to play as a bottom 1/3 QB in the league, that’s not gonna get it done IMO.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

Smith hasn't been the primary factor in the 4 game win streak. The entire team has elevated their play and yes Smith is a part of that, but I also think Allen could have led the same charge.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

When I comes to how the defense improved...benching Apke and losing Collins and adding Cole Holcomb to the lineup has been the difference period.

Also, chase young groin injury seems to finally healed. You can see a bump in his play

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

Well, the title of this thread is "WFT quarterback of the future". I will agree that Smith is not the future of this team. But he is winning now, and he has won since he got here with or without a great defense, o-line, running game...

The best case scenario is they can draft a QB1 next spring. It's not out of the question. Very good QBs can come outside of the top 20 picks in the draft.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

The defense won the game last week all by themselves. Smith started it and he will get credit for a ''win" but he really had nothing to do with it. The WL record of the QB is the worst stat in football.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1268552]The defense won the game last week all by themselves. Smith started it and he will get credit for a ''win" but he really had nothing to do with it. [B]The WL record of the QB is the worst stat in football.[/B][/quote]

The defense definitely won that game, but the backup QB almost lost it too - even with how good the defense was. If DH had given that ball away and SF ended up winning, he would get the loss and the blame, and it would be warranted. So I wouldn't go that far.

In the end it's the wins and losses that matter, and whoever the QB is either gets all the credit, or all the blame. It's just the way it is and always has been.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

say what you want about win loss record and the qb, but from 2018 til now this team are 10 and 4 with Smith starting, and 5 and 25 with him not starting. He makes the offense not putrid. No that is not high praise and we need to find a longterm future qb, but if he gets past this calf issue, AS can be penciled in as a viable starting point to build from.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

No, you can't just ignore Smith's W/L record here. Somehow the team wins more often than not when he's in the lineup, it's just a fact.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

Since taking over as the starter, Smith is 4-1 and the team is averaging 26.8 points, which ranks seventh in the NFL since Week 10.

It's been a team effort / complementary football.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

lol @ dak prescott.... FUCK NO.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=Ohioskins;1268517]I just don't see how we get any of the top 4 QB's in the draft. We will not pick high enough.[/quote]

Well, if the "consensus" ranking turns out being wrong, like in most years, we certainly can. Personally, I rank the guys that the "consensus" have ranked 5 and 6 at 3 and 4. The 2 QBs in the SEC title game are really, really good, IMO, and both are likely to be available when WFT picks, unless the rumors that Elway loves Jones are true and Denver takes him round 1. Jones and Trask are both having seasons comparable to Burrow's 2019 season. To downgrade these 2 because they happen to play with very good teammates, while ignoring that they also play against very good players, seems silly to me. Playing with and against bigger, stronger, faster, better players every game is a plus, IMO, not a minus.

Man, if we get either Jones or Trask, I'll be happy. Either one would benefit by watching and learning from Alex Smith to begin their NFL career. Seems to have worked out fairly well for Mahomes.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

Jone may be available in the middle of the first round. But I think Lawrence, Fields and Trask will all go pretty early in the draft.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=Meks;1268560]lol @ dak prescott.... FUCK NO.[/quote]

Yup. Dak = Kirk Cousins Pt. II :tongue:

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

There's a lot of maneuvering that can be done. If they are not sold on DH, and there's a QB they really like who slips more than expected in the draft, I can see them moving up to get him. Especially if they are able to fill some holes in free agency. It worked out with Sweat. At the time I wasn't a fan of giving up a 2nd, but it appears to be a steal now.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

Seems like a lot of teams eyeing QBs, obviously Lawrence and Fields are out of reach even for a trade up if the opportunity arose. Lance and Wilson gone in the top ten, Trask and Jones likely by pick 20, if our front office loves one of the four I am OK with trading up because they have the foundations of a good team with one or two free agents added, so they can afford to invest a large chunk of draft picks in a franchise player if thoff-season they really love. I think, like many here, I am at ease with whatever RR wants to do because for the first time in a verrrry long time I actually trust the judgment of the front office, which makes for a far less stressful offseason.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

Dallas, San Diego and Cincinnati have great chance of trading down for big haul of picks when the 6-15 teams looking for QBs start panicking

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=EdmundDorf;1268572]Dallas, San Diego and Cincinnati have great chance of trading down for big haul of picks when the 6-15 teams looking for QBs start panicking[/quote]

Dallas might just choose to reboot and grab their own rookie QB. Looks like they will be drafting in the top 5. They haven't shown any love for Dak, and now that he's had this injury, I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to move on. They have more needs than the WFT, and have a ton of $$ tied up in Cooper, Elliott, Lawrence, the O-line...they may not want to shell out what it will take to bring him back.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

Well Dallas kind of depends on how hard a line they want to draw with Dak. But yes, San Diego and Cincinnati may be willing to trade down since they both have their QB's of the future. Now if we could get in the range for Fields, let's go for it. Would be kind of humorous if Fields replaces Haskins with Washington just as he did at OSU.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

I'm not so sure Cincy will want to trade down. They almost surely will take Sewell if NYJ and JAX take QBs as expected. They need to shore up the OL to protect Burrow. His injury underscores that. I don't see them passing up on the #1 OL in the draft.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=Number44;1268578]I'm not so sure Cincy will want to trade down. They almost surely will take Sewell if NYJ and JAX take QBs as expected. They need to shore up the OL to protect Burrow. His injury underscores that. I don't see them passing up on the #1 OL in the draft.[/quote]

I think you are probably right but they did draft a Left tackle last year and they could probably get 2-3 good interior guys for their first pick, which may tempt them.

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

I can only see the draft as the option to upgrade QB. Haskins isn't it; Sunday pretty much confirmed that. He might improve with a lot of coaching and mentoring, but that's not the NFL. Maybe he gets lucky and goes to a team with an incumbent vet that can use him as a project, but that's not WFT.
But I'm concerned that if we do win the division and pick around 19th, we don't reach or make a bad trade.

I don't get to see much CFB over here, so I can pretty much only go by YouTube. I'm inclined to trust Kyle Smith but he hasn't drafted a QB yet, and I don't count Haskins as his choice. I'm not convinced about Fields but he's probably gone top 5 so not our problem. If Wilson is there at our pick then I would take him, but he might benefit from time behind/mentored by Smith. Lance worries me with his accuracy issues. Seems a poor man's Jackson to me. Trask intrigues me, the only downside seems to be his athleticism; does he have enough mobility for the modern NFL? I'd take a chance on him and work around his running ability if he's there at our spot and rated up there, but I wouldn't reach for him. I commented on Mac Jones earlier, and he looks raw to me with a poor arm.

Let's see where we finish the season and therefore pick. Seems the more successful we are this season the worse off we are after it! 🤨🤪

Re: Wft quarterback of the future
 

[quote=AnonEmouse;1268588]I can only see the draft as the option to upgrade QB. Haskins isn't it; Sunday pretty much confirmed that. He might improve with a lot of coaching and mentoring, but that's not the NFL. Maybe he gets lucky and goes to a team with an incumbent vet that can use him as a project, but that's not WFT.
But I'm concerned that if we do win the division and pick around 19th, we don't reach our make a bad trade. I'm inclined to trust Kyle Smith but he hasn't drafted a QB yet, and I don't count Haskins as his choice. I'm not convinced about Fields but he's probably gone to 5 so not our problem. If Wilson is there at our pick then I would take him, but he might benefit from time behind/mentored by Smith. Lance worries me with his accuracy issues. Seems a poor man's Jackson to me. Trask intrigues me, the only downside seems to be his athleticism; does he have enough mobility for the modern NFL? I'd take a chance on him and work around his running ability if he's there at our spot and rated up there, but I wouldn't reach for him. I commented on Mac Jones earlier, and he looks raw to me with a poor arm.

Let's see where we finish the season and therefore pick. [B]Seems the more successful we are this season the worse off we are after it![/B] 🤨🤪[/quote]

Speaking strictly in terms of draft position, perhaps. However, I wouldn't say the team is worse off for winning. That's what we're building here, right - a winning culture?

I'd much rather pick 32nd every year than in the top 15.