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I only caught highlights on Redzone and missed part of one play - did Apke miss a straight in his hands INT or did my eyes deceive me?

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APKE THIS SEASON HAS A 54.9 COVERAGE GRADE...

WORST AMONG DB's on the team

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1265860]I only caught highlights on Redzone and missed part of one play - did Apke miss a straight in his hands INT or did my eyes deceive me?[/quote]

He did. Stone hands...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1265832]A win is a win, it was ugly but that is to be expected.

Winner of Thanksgiving will take the division[/quote]

The Giants have looked like the best team of late, and they own the tiebreaker.

The Cowboys appear to have the easiest remaining schedule.

WFT probably has to win 4 of the last 6 games to take the division, with two of those wins coming against the Cowboys and the Eagles.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1265862]APKE THIS SEASON HAS A 54.9 COVERAGE GRADE...

WORST AMONG DB's on the team[/quote]

I was disappointed that a rookie Qb was able to come in, read our D and then have his first option open for a quick throw and catch. Why were we giving Burrow soft coverage and underneath stuff?

Answer: Because Troy Apke was your starting FS with Kamren Curl.

While it wasnt pretty, and I think the Bengals would have made a game of things if Burrow didnt get hurt, the game plan worked. Give them the underneath stuff and protect Apke/Curl.

Yes Burrow went 22/34 but he only had around 200 yards passing and we somehow held them to 3/13 on 3rd down conversion. Watching the game, it felt like Burrow was on pace for 350 yds and 50% conversion rate.

Odd game to watch. Was ugly but you dont get extra points for style. This approach wont work against better talent and I dont feel good feeling like we eeked out a win vs the second worst team in the NFL.

We are a bottom 5 team who could be leading their division come Thursday night. What a strange state of affairs.

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[quote=Chico23231;1265845]It’s a tough call, but I’d lean towards a rb with pass catching ability. RB are too hard to find as well.[/quote]

Very true although I'm concerned Bryce Love would steal some carries from Gibson.

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[quote=GridIron26;1265869]Very true although I'm concerned Bryce Love would steal some carries from Gibson.[/quote]

Lol....26 you are smarter than that. Love can’t even get on the field. He probably gone in the offseason

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Report says Burrow has a torn ACL & MCL.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1265841]I put some of it on Del Rio. He came out with the worst game plan. Like wtf was he thinking playing way off the wr's? You can't do that against any NFL QB. Del Rio was terrible for the first half.[/QUOTE]



I had such high hopes for Del Rio. Anywhere he has gone the D has improved. Good teams or not. He always makes a difference. Here not so much. Not as much as i was hoping for....

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I don't know. They were ranked 27th in the league in both total yards allowed and points allowed per game last year. This year they are ranked 6th and 10th respectively. I'd say they have improved, despite not having a normal offseason, minicamps, OTAs, preseason... That's quite a turn around 10 games into this season.

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The D has definitely improved, I think it’s easy to forget how bad things were last year when they gave up big play after big play


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[quote=MTK;1265882]The D has definitely improved, I think it’s easy to forget how bad things were last year when they gave up big play after big play

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This is true. We were terrible last year at every thing. The progress isn't mesmerizing but it's there. I thhik next year the improvement will be more tangible across the board on defense.

Chase Young hasn't been lined up at free safety this year, that alone is significant progress.

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Dline...Holcomb..CB’s.fuller and Darby have been awesome

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1265881]I don't know. They were ranked 27th in the league in both total yards allowed and points allowed per game last year. This year they are ranked 6th and 10th respectively. I'd say they have improved, despite not having a normal offseason, minicamps, OTAs, preseason... That's quite a turn around 10 games into this season.[/QUOTE]



I dont read too far into numbers. Never have. They do not tell the whole story. Like i said they did not improve as much as I would have liked. Maybe I expected too much. I hear you about lack of an off-season but that goes for every offense we have faced too so that is a wash. Honestly this year is weird. Next year we are going to see if the D is legit or not. Im not giving up by any means just expected more....

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Its also worth pointing out how a poor offense hurts a D. More time on the field etc., not to mention some of the sort fields that have been handed to the opposition. A more consistent O and thus D would look better.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1265832]A win is a win, it was ugly but that is to be expected.

Winner of Thanksgiving will take the division[/quote]

I think the Giants take the division. They have been trending up and likely will hold the division edge over the rest. It likely only takes 6 wins to be the NFC East champ this year.

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Having quality LB play would make the difference in the eye test. They're asked to be so versatile, hands in the dirt, cover a TE or RB and I don't think we have that.

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One guy that I would love to keep is Settle, I think he’s better than Allen.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1265894]One guy that I would love to keep is Settle, I think he’s better than Allen.[/quote]

Settle would definitely start on a lot of teams. He's gonna get a nice, well deserved paycheck. He is one of my favorite guys on the team.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1265894]One guy that I would love to keep is Settle, I think he’s better than Allen.[/quote]

I'm not sure about better than Allen because the later is a monster and has the potential to make huge plays (he had a very solid game on Sunday IMO).

But yeah Settle is a keeper, he starts on many teams and plays with great effort !

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[quote=Chico23231;1265871]Lol....26 you are smarter than that. Love can’t even get on the field. He probably gone in the offseason[/quote]

Lol yeah.. I'm going to let this season play out and then decide from there.

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[quote=Chico23231;1265884]Dline...Holcomb..CB’s.fuller and Darby have been awesome[/quote]

I'm not sure about the Dline part, they disappeared in some games when we needed them.

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[quote=GridIron26;1265900]I'm not sure about the Dline part, they disappeared in some games when we needed them.[/quote]

U think so? I think Pass rush has been good. Pressure to force ball out quick...we’ve seen much less big pass plays as well vs years past. We get sacks and hits on QB.

I think our run d by line has been good in some games, but in others when the offense has doesn’t stay on the field they gotten worn down. There was also no good run stop LB play until Holcomb stepped on field.

I don’t it’s been perfect and don’t think we have reached elite level, but I think everyone can see improvement. It’s a def a top 10 dline, probably just outside top 5.

Give it another year in the system and add a MLB...we move into top 5

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I agree with Chico. Consider the missing pieces in reverse of you will. SF had a D last year that got them to the big one. Start off this year and it's largely unchanged, if not improved. Now take away a few great players and they are middle of the pack. Just think, if we added 2-3 missing pieces, we could easily move from top 10 to top 5.

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[quote=Chico23231;1265901]U think so? I think Pass rush has been good. Pressure to force ball out quick...we’ve seen much less big pass plays as well vs years past. We get sacks and hits on QB.

I think our run d by line has been good in some games, but in others when the offense has doesn’t stay on the field they gotten worn down. There was also no good run stop LB play until Holcomb stepped on field.

I don’t it’s been perfect and don’t think we have reached elite level, but I think everyone can see improvement. It’s a def a top 10 dline, probably just outside top 5.

Give it another year in the system and add a MLB...we move into top 5[/quote]

Good points.. There is definitely no question the defense improved from last year.

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[quote=MTK;1265882]The D has definitely improved, I think it’s easy to forget how bad things were last year when they gave up big play after big play


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It is funny because we are 3-7 and people say thst we haven't improved yet we are the number 1 pass defense and yeah stats aren't everything, but the offense rarely gives the defense a break. We are the ONLY team in the league that doesn't have any points on the opening drive of a game this year. The offense regularly puts in a dog shit performance in the first half and the defense ends up giving up points then has to shut teams down in the second half (which they usually do) i saw a stat a couple weeks ago that said we had only given up 10 points in the 3rd quarter up to that point. My point is if the offense was more consistent in putting points on the board, the defense would get more of a rest and it would be obvious how much they've improved

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People are also forgetting the loss of Matty I. He was pur best interior rusher and great at collapsing the pocket

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del rio is, and will continue to be a breath of fresh air ... yall want manusky ... barry back ?

Fucccckkk that. #1 rated pass d in the league and a shit offense. Typical redskins

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1265925]People are also forgetting the loss of Matty I. He was pur best interior rusher and great at collapsing the pocket[/quote]

I agree 100%. He was a beast, and Settle is good but not dominant.

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Being it Rivera and Del Rio’s first year, dealing with Covid, dealing with Ron’s diagnosis, dealing with the constant shit-storm Snyder brings to the organization and any other issues we in the public don’t see...

I’m pleased with where the team is.

With plenty of cap space and a full repertoire of draft picks, we should be set up nicely going into next year and beyond.

I think with the week 1 win and the division being in shambles people forgot this was never supposed to be a year we were legit contenders.

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[quote=Chico23231;1265901]U think so? I think Pass rush has been good. Pressure to force ball out quick...we’ve seen much less big pass plays as well vs years past. We get sacks and hits on QB.

I think our run d by line has been good in some games, but in others when the offense has doesn’t stay on the field they gotten worn down. There was also no good run stop LB play until Holcomb stepped on field.

I don’t it’s been perfect and don’t think we have reached elite level, but I think everyone can see improvement. It’s a def a top 10 dline, probably just outside top 5.

Give it another year in the system and add a MLB...we move into top 5[/quote]

This is a great point. The improvement has been dramatic.

Seriously, start listing the guys in the back half of the D who we have been relying on and knew we would have to rely on. Apke, Everrett, Curl, Bostic, Davis, KPL, and Moreland have all played significant snaps in crucial situations.

What sort of expectations should one have with those guys? We all knew who those guys were going in. No surprises really.

The players who did surprise was Collins and Moreau who were bad this year.

Chico is right on the money, there is significant empirical improvement. It's not an elite D, but it's a heck of a lot better than it was.

Opponents 3rd down conversion percentage:
2019 48.9% Rank 32

2020 38.64% Rank 9
[url]https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-third-down-conversion-pct[/url]

Defense DVOA:
2019 Rank 27th
[url]https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/team-defense/2019[/url]

2020 Rank 6th
[url]https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/team-defense/2020[/url]

Opponents Yards Per Play (for you gamblers)
2019 5.7 Rank 21

2020 5.1 Rank 7th
[url]https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-yards-per-play?date=2020-11-26[/url]

We're a few players and a little bit of injury luck from being a very good to elite defense.

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[quote=Chico23231;1265901]U think so? I think Pass rush has been good. Pressure to force ball out quick...we’ve seen much less big pass plays as well vs years past. We get sacks and hits on QB.

I think our run d by line has been good in some games, but in others when the offense has doesn’t stay on the field they gotten worn down. There was also no good run stop LB play until Holcomb stepped on field.

I don’t it’s been perfect and don’t think we have reached elite level, but I think everyone can see improvement. It’s a def a top 10 dline, probably just outside top 5.

Give it another year in the system and add a MLB...we move into top 5[/quote]

Micah Parsons, Penn State.

He's sitting this year out and PSU is winless. I love seeing that. :D

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1265887]I think the Giants take the division. They have been trending up and likely will hold the division edge over the rest. It likely only takes 6 wins to be the NFC East champ this year.[/quote]

It's really looking that way, when it looked like they may go winless with the Jets earlier in the year.

They've been playing good football in the last month, almost took out the Bucs!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1265930]I agree 100%. He was a beast, and Settle is good but not dominant.[/quote]

Settle in his limited role has been dominant, better than Payne and Allen.

3rd on the team in sacks
3rd in tackles for loss
4th in quarterback hits