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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1262171][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkE8uLIXgAAuK6u?format=jpg&name=large[/IMG][/QUOTE]



As bad as our quarterbacks are I cant even blame them. Our line is just atrocious. We literally have two players and even though Gibson is a rb we have absolutely no run game. I dont think any quarterback in the league could win with this bunch of losers.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1262161]If this season becomes the Alex Smith send off story, count me out. Not watching that garbage[/QUOTE]



But you were buying extra popcorn for Allen or Crapkins? At least there is a feel good aspect to Smith...

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[quote=punch it in;1262172]What I have been saying. Idc about stats numbers yards etc - we are letting teams score at an alarming rate. Young has really not looked effective lately. Our mlb’s and secondary are among the worst in the league and we knew that coming in - but with five first rounders up front we should be a little better. JDR what are ya up to man? We should not be worse than last year on either side of the ball and the eye test says we are. Thoroughly concerning.[/quote]

Everyone talks about this amazing talent on the DL but man they sure do vanish often...

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[quote=Giantone;1262164]I think Collins should be a LBer , his play at the line is great and he is a good tackler .I said it when he was a Giant .[/quote]

Collins is not a good tackler at all. There really isn't anything he does well. He can't cover, he's stiff and he's slow. Yes if you line him up in the hole and he doesn't have to be an athlete then yeah he can hit and make a tackle. But if a back has space to make a move he can't do it. I've seen enough of this guy to know he isn't a good football player.

You know who a good safety is? Tyrann Mathieu. He was there to sign and our front office instead decided to sign this bum.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1262176]Everyone talks about this amazing talent on the DL but man they sure do vanish often...[/quote]

The only guy that showed up yesterday was Sweat. Meanwhile Aaron Donald wrecked our offense and walked Martin back to the QB all day long. Allen and Payne are not in Donald's class. Not even close. They're just guys, not play makers. Matt I is our best interior linemen.

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[quote=Chico23231;1262161]If this season becomes the Alex Smith send off story, count me out. Not watching that garbage[/quote]

Per Keim, Allen is still #1 QB... For now.

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Kyle Allen moves better than I expected but he's another check down king... I want Lawrence or Fields ASAP (Wilson from BYU is legit too)

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1262085]You say grab a veteran QB in the offseason, what is wrong with using Alex Smith for 1 or 2 more seasons? He would be 38 years old during the 2022 season, unless perhaps Alex Smith might not re-sign here, and he goes elsewhere? Or do you just mean a cheaper veteran option that Smith would likely be?[/quote]


Aaron Rodgers may be available next year. :)

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There is no vets that are ever any good.. Rivers lost the game for the Colts yesterday.. We need to draft a QB and start him day 1.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1262181]Kyle Allen moves better than I expected but he's another [B]check down king[/B]... I want Lawrence or Fields ASAP (Wilson from BYU is legit too)[/quote]

That works for me, I have Gibson on my FFL teams.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1262182]Aaron Rodgers may be available next year. :)[/quote]

I doubt the Packers would move on from him next year. He is still playing as good as anyone in the league and gives them a chance at the SB. I'd say 2022 is the year he becomes available.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1262188]I doubt the Packers would move on from him next year. He is still playing as good as anyone in the league and gives them a chance at the SB. I'd say 2022 is the year he becomes available.[/quote]


Aaron will be the one moving on from the Packers, not the team. He's pissed they drafted Jordan Love instead of giving him weapons to help him win.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1262190]Aaron will be the one moving on from the Packers, not the team. He's pissed they drafted Jordan Love.[/quote]

Ok for arguments sake let's just say they do. He ain't coming here. Rodgers is a real smart guy. He's going to go somewhere where there's stability and an immediate chance to win. He'd go right over to the 49ers and there is no way we could compete with them. He's from there and they are a better run operation than we are.

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I know, I wasn't serious about him coming here.

One QB I'm not sold on in this draft talk is Fields. OSU quarterbacks never succeed in the NFL and we just tried that. Why take that same risk right after blowing it with a Buckeye QB?

Haskins outthrew Fields by 1,600 yards and 9 TDs in a season. Fields is more mobile, but nothing spectacular, averages 50 yards a game rushing.

Same goes with USC quarterbacks...for some reason, these schools just cannot produce successful NFL QBs.


If we don't get Trevor Lawrence, I'd rather go Left Tackle in the first and then take Trey Lance in the second round if he lasts than another Buckeye QB. The line still needs addressed, Trevor will get murdered behind the current O-Line. Lance likely won't be there in Round 2 though, so if he's Ron's guy, take him in the first.

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Ron Rivera said that the team's mindset after four losses is "disappointment." He mentioned the strengths and winning records of every team they've lost to but went on to say, "we need to play better and the players know that."

Using the excuse of tough teams lol

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Positives:

KPL Kevin Pierre Louis - is an above average coverage LB, something we havent had in a while

Fuller - he seems to be a legit starting corner in this league. Hes not a shutdown CB1 but hes a game CB2.

Moreland - nose/instinct for the ball and a willingness to engage physically. Reminds me of a poor mans Smoot.

Allen - didnt notice watching the game but he had 8 tackles, 5 solo

Ronald fucking Darby - playing above his 1 yr/4M signing. Dont necessarily feel comfortable signing him to a big deal and making him a permanent CB2 but hes been game and has earned his contract so far. Next year if we can add a CB1, Id really like that CB1 plus Fuller, Moreland, Darby.

Injuries -- none

Collins/Apke - at least we know who they are. Of course Collins is overpaid but I think we are married to him for 2021 as well. Best bet is to hope his play improves, hes not this bad (but hes not a top 20 safety either).

Sweat - could very well be our teams MVP so far. Having 2 athletic long frame players setting the edge is a foundation of a successful team. Yes, teams can quick pitch around the pressure but Young/Sweat = problems for years to come.

Special teams - not a lot of return opportunities in todays NFL but I dont think weve given up a special teams TD yet. Coverage has been good.

Next years FA class is loaded - talk in Baltimore is that they might not be able to sign allpro LT Ronnie Stanley, packers LT Bakhtiari .... a bunch of top end WRs as well. This team has been spending under the cap for (I assume) when they feel close, with this DL unit I think we need to go all in for 2021 to 2023. Spend dat money.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1262176]Everyone talks about this amazing talent on the DL but man they sure do vanish often...[/quote]

I thought they did real well against the run. With the exception of that long run by Akers (which should have been maybe a 6-7 yard gain, but Bostic missed the tackle - smh), they held the running game down. Hell, Sweat made that tackle 40-some yards down the field...Take that run out of it and it's 34 carries for 83 yards.

It's just too easy to game plan against this D, unless an offense is forced to be a drop-back passing team. The WFT offense isn't good enough to get a big lead, so that will probably never happen with any real consistency. The only time we saw that was week 1, and that was just bad decision making by the Eagles coaches and QB.

I still believe the front 4 are elite, but behind them is the problem. Teams can just resort to quick passes, receivers out of the backfield, etc... marching down the field with 6-7 yard passes all day, then occasionally burn the back end (safeties) with a deep pass. Cole Holcomb in my opinion has been a bigger loss than expected so far. His speed at that level of the D is what is needed more than anything right now.

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I imagine the coaching staff is considering switching up the OL a bit. While Wes martin's name is getting said a lot .. I wouldnt mind just riding him out for a bit or at least putting him back in later on if hes pulled this week. Id like to have a good idea of who he is by seasons end and 5 games doesnt do it for me. I want at least 10 plus games of Martin so next year I have no hesitation upgrading the LG spot (if he continues to fail). Hes a question mark entering this year, I dont want him to be a question mark entering next year.

Brandon Scherff has now been out for almost 3 weeks on a 3-5 week prognosis.

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I hate thinking about the draft now too, but silver lining is this: we KNEW it wouldn't be an overnight fix (and yes, some teams turn around the next season, but remember we are BAD). We have a TON of draft picks, plus whatever we get from Haskins and a butt ton of cap space. My biggest concern is how our defense is performing, but an upgrade at safety and LB in the offseason would fix a lot. I really wanted to say "the future is looking bright", but at least we have some pieces. Chase Young is a stud, Gibson is coming on. Better...than...last year, talent-wise? Maybe?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1262206]Ron Rivera said that the team's mindset after four losses is "disappointment." He mentioned the strengths and winning records of every team they've lost to but went on to say, "we need to play better and the players know that."

Using the excuse of tough teams lol[/quote]

I'm not sold on Ron as a head coach.

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Draft a QB round 1.

Trade down as many times as possible. Spend lots of picks on the OL/TE.

We have other holes, but you fix above and you can be respectable while completing the rest of the roster in future years.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1262223]Draft a QB round 1.

Trade down as many times as possible. Spend lots of picks on the OL/TE.

We have other holes, but you fix above and you can be respectable while completing the rest of the roster in future years.[/quote]

If we were going to trade down last year was the time to do it. Could have probably gotten Herbert and another starter.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1262224]If we were going to trade down last year was the time to do it. Could have probably gotten Herbert and another starter.[/quote]

Yeah. I meant trade down starting in the 2nd round. Gotta go QB in round 1 if one of the studs are available. We should be in the top 3.

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One note to keep an eyes on is CY.

His Pressure grade has dropped big time since his game 1 performance...

81
56
50
63

9 total pressures
2 sacks

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1262181]Kyle Allen moves better than I expected but he's another check down king... I want Lawrence or Fields ASAP (Wilson from BYU is legit too)[/quote]

You know I want:

1.TE
2. Guard
3.Tackle
4.WR


I mean, QB is important but for fucks sakes, we need to get a lot other shit that looks horrible.

I’m fuckin livid we pay a piece of shit like Collins but look the other way at real talent.

Also you have think of what a terrible organization that lets actual talent like Trent Williams and Dunbar want to leave. You may not like these guys, they are very talented on a team of garbage who wanted out.

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[quote=Chico23231;1262240]You know I want:

1.TE
2. Guard
3.Tackle
4.WR


I mean, QB is important but for fucks sakes, we need to get a lot other shit that looks horrible.

I’m fuckin livid we pay a piece of shit like Collins but look the other way at real talent.

Also you have think of what a terrible organization that lets actual talent like Trent Williams and Dunbar want to leave. You may not like these guys, they are very talented on a team of garbage who wanted out.[/quote]

All of those can be found, QB1 is not easy.. Take the QB

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1262237]One note to keep an eyes on is CY.

His Pressure grade has dropped big time since his game 1 performance...

81
56
50
63

9 total pressures
2 sacks[/quote]

Yeah he made some plays against the run this week but pass rush wasn't there, neither was it against Baltimore.

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[quote=Chico23231;1262240]You know I want:

1.TE
2. Guard
3.Tackle
4.WR


I mean, QB is important but for fucks sakes, we need to get a lot other shit that looks horrible.

I’m fuckin livid we pay a piece of shit like Collins but look the other way at real talent.

Also you have think of what a terrible organization that lets actual talent like Trent Williams and Dunbar want to leave. You may not like these guys, they are very talented on a team of garbage who wanted out.[/quote]

I'm with you. I don't want to be sitting at 3 and taking a guy that would go at 13 just because he is a QB. Too many holes to be doing that.

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1262245]Yeah he made some plays against the run this week but pass rush wasn't there, neither was it against Baltimore.[/QUOTE]


He’s a rookie and learning but I want to see him get more pressures, it’s not even sacks.

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Moving forward, what will make this team better the rest of the season:

Start Holcomb at LB
Replace Martin with either Schwitzer or Garnett when Scherff returns
Bench Apke and promote Jeremy Reaves from the PS
Put Charles at LT, let’s see what he can do

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1262245]Yeah he made some plays against the run this week but pass rush wasn't there, neither was it against Baltimore.[/quote]

He didnt play against Baltimore, also I wonder how much the injury affected him.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1262249][B]He didnt play against Baltimore,[/B] also I wonder how much the injury affected him.[/quote]

Yeah I meant the overall pass rush, 2 weeks in a row I found the squad underachieving a bit.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1262181]Kyle Allen moves better than I expected but he's another check down king... I want Lawrence or Fields ASAP (Wilson from BYU is legit too)[/quote]

KJ Costello, you’ll hear his name more and more.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1262250]Yeah I meant the overall pass rush, 2 weeks in a row I found the squad underachieving a bit.[/quote]

Gotcha, as much as I like Allen and Payne as run stoppers, Matty I. was the one who collapses the pocket and makes it so QBs cant step up in the pocket

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1262248]Moving forward, what will make this team better the rest of the season:

Start Holcomb at LB
Replace Martin with either Schwitzer or Garnett when Scherff returns
Bench Apke and promote Jeremy Reaves from the PS
Put Charles at LT, let’s see what he can do[/quote]

This...Holcomb and Charles especially. I think these two could be future pieces, play their ass.

I heard Bostic was garbage Sunday? True?

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1262251]KJ Costello, you’ll hear his name more and more.[/QUOTE]



Or less n less. 623 yards than the bench. Lol. Has there ever been two more polar opposite performances? Was he good at Stanford?

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1262251]KJ Costello, you’ll hear his name more and more.[/QUOTE]


He sucks

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1262255]Or less n less. 623 yards than the bench. Lol. Has there ever been two more polar opposite performances? Was he good at Stanford?[/QUOTE]


He’s a turnover machine in college, and arm is not that great. No thanks. He’ll probably be a 5-7 round guy unless he goes ape shit the rest of the year

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1262260]He’s a turnover machine in college, and arm is not that great. No thanks. He’ll probably be a 5-7 round guy unless he goes ape shit the rest of the year[/QUOTE]



Yeah i sort of figured that 600 yard performance was a product of the system...air raid.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1262263]Yeah i sort of figured that 600 yard performance was a product of the system...air raid.[/QUOTE]


It was, he was straight garbage against Kentucky this week.