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it is not just an issue of DH. It is whether the FO made enough improvements in the offense to give DH the opportunity to show what he can do. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. To a great extent it depends on how Gibson and Golden develop. Time will tell. I agree that 7-8 wins are possible. But so are 3-4. Now that would be a really low total. But if they do finish with only 3-4 wins next year, I could see where they would be looking to Fields or Lawrence in the next draft.

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I'm all in with Dwayne too. But y'all know I love Tua lol.

Updated salary cap numbers (schneed is the numbers guy) but I saw this on Twitter.

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6 or 7 wins would be a big improvement and that’s where I’ll keep my expectations


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[quote=MTK;1251005]6 or 7 wins would be a big improvement and that’s where I’ll keep my expectations


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Pshhh this is the NEW Redskins , we are going 12-4 led by a ridiculous defense and an improved Haskins.

Or... We'll finish 5-11

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1251002]Nah i'm riding with DH as well.[/quote]

Yeah, I was over exaggerating. There are plenty of people riding with him. But still a lot of people that aren't, especially nationally.

Should the Giants have taken Tua? Don't remember seeing that in any mock drafts. Haskins is disrespected way more than he should be.

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[quote=Chico23231;1250985]Go ahead and make Kyle Smith GM today


Only thing I wish we coulda done, traded Trey Quinn to Jacksonville with his boy for a 7th rounder[/quote]

Quinn is so gone. His days are numbered here. They might cut him before camp even starts.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1251004]I'm all in with Dwayne too. But y'all know I love Tua lol [/quote]

For my sanity, I'm so glad he went to an AFC team we will only play once every 4 years. And we just played them so it won't be for 3 more years.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1251009]For my sanity, I'm so glad he went to an AFC team we will only play once every 4 years. And we just played them so it won't be for 3 more years.[/QUOTE]Funny enough my brother is a die hard Phins fan so I hope he turns them around and of course I want DH to do the same for us.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1251010]Funny enough my brother is a die hard Phins fan so I hope he turns them around and of course I want DH to do the same for us.

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I have nothing against Tua or the Dolphins. May the force be with them.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1251008]Quinn is so gone. His days are numbered here. They might cut him before camp even starts.[/quote]

Thankfully

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[URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/detailed-look-how-ron-rivera-and-kyle-smith-researched-then-decided-saahdiq-charles"]A detailed look into how Ron Rivera and Kyle Smith researched, then decided on, Saahdiq Charles[/URL]

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[quote=MTK;1251022][URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/detailed-look-how-ron-rivera-and-kyle-smith-researched-then-decided-saahdiq-charles"]A detailed look into how Ron Rivera and Kyle Smith researched, then decided on, Saahdiq Charles[/URL][/quote]

Has the talent to start week 1...I just hope we are able to provide the support to lift the dude out of issues in his life. He has to realize the opportunity and his attitude needs to adjust now that he is a professional. I feel RR and Kyle can provide that over Bruce, Jay...

Also Doug Williams can really show his value and he has that ability to make these connections with the young guys

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1251008]Quinn is so gone. His days are numbered here. They might cut him before camp even starts.[/QUOTE]



Uggh. Alligator arms has to go far away. Im still worried about OT, and TE. Probably the two biggest needs for a young quarterback. For any quarterback really...
Hopefully Guice stays healthy because our key to winning is going to be defense and run run run.

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I thought it was a pretty good draft - B+. Looked like they probably stuck with BPA from their board all three days, rather than reach for anything. It's an A if Charles becomes the starting LT. Really, the O-line should improve overall for the simple fact that they will be facing this potentially ferocious D-line in practice. They will definitely be battle-tested on game days. Can't wait to see it all put together in 2021 when professional sports are back!

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I voted F, because they didn't take Tua.

My visions of a polynesian qb in a Redskins uni ripping the league a new asshole are dashed.

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[quote=mooby;1251032]I voted F, because they didn't take Tua.

My visions of a polynesian qb in a Redskins uni ripping the league a new asshole are dashed.[/quote]

Where is AnonEmouse? This is a brilliant example of American sarcasm. It is a short post that covers a lot of ground on multiple levels, punctuated by actually voting "F". Sarcastic AF.

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We picked up an extra 3rd round pick from San Fran for next year

If you really like OJ Howard, the team should call Tampa today and see if they would take our 2021 3rd round pick for him.

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[quote=Chico23231;1251046]We picked up an extra 3rd round pick from San Fran for next year

If you really like OJ Howard, the team should call Tampa today and see if they would take our 2021 3rd round pick for him.[/quote]

TB would love that offer I'm sure

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[quote=MTK;1251050]TB would love that offer I'm sure[/quote]

We would essentially flip Trent for OJ and get him a couple years to develop in the system. Of course I would want consensus in the building. I dunno, most were high on him coming out.

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I'd offer next year's 4th round pick. I like O.J. Howard but if TB releases him don't we get 2nd pick at him after Cinci.

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[quote=Chico23231;1251046]We picked up an extra 3rd round pick from San Fran for next year

If you really like OJ Howard, the team should call Tampa today and see if they would take our 2021 3rd round pick for him.[/quote]


Or ... we can wait until he's cut by TB, and then make him an offer.

OJ is a hard pass in my opinion. Didn't do much in college.
46 games played in 4 years. 7 touchdowns. (and 2 of these came in the national championship game against Clemson ... clearly Clemson figured "this guy has only scored 1 TD all year, Cover the other guys, they can hurt us).

And has regressed each year in the pro's.
rookie year - 14 games played - 6 TD's
second year - 10 games played - 5 TD's
last season - 14 games played - 1 TD


Not worth a trade in my opinion. But if he's cut, and floating out there, bring him in on a one year deal, and see if you can make him into a football player. Cuz he doesn't look like one to me.

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Can OJ block? If he can block than I would want him. Not for a third rounder though. I know he has potential but it hasn’t really come into play yet. Is he a team player type? Good attitude?

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1251058]Or ... we can wait until he's cut by TB, and then make him an offer.

OJ is a hard pass in my opinion. Didn't do much in college.
46 games played in 4 years. 7 touchdowns. (and 2 of these came in the national championship game against Clemson ... clearly Clemson figured "this guy has only scored 1 TD all year, Cover the other guys, they can hurt us).

And has regressed each year in the pro's.
rookie year - 14 games played - 6 TD's
second year - 10 games played - 5 TD's
last season - 14 games played - 1 TD


Not worth a trade in my opinion. But if he's cut, and floating out there, bring him in on a one year deal, and see if you can make him into a football player. Cuz he doesn't look like one to me.[/quote]

Howard's stats don't show great things however we need to remember that they also have Brate, and they split the snaps between those 2 TEs since the beginning of Howard's NFL career (I believe). Secondly, Arians doesn't utilize TEs well in his offense so this had negative impact on Howard's performance although it's worth mentioning that Arians did comment on Howard's inability to perform as well as he wanted to see from Howard last year so I'm not sure exactly what Arians was talking about since he doesn't utilize TEs that often.

I would be willing to give up a pick that is based on Howard's playing time - trade him for 5th round (for example) with a condition that could turn it into 3rd round if Howard starts every game or something.

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[quote=GridIron26;1251060]Howard's stats don't show great things however we need to remember that they also have Brate, and they split the snaps between those 2 TEs since the beginning of Howard's NFL career (I believe). Secondly, Arians doesn't utilize TEs well in his offense so this had negative impact on Howard's performance although it's worth mentioning that Arians did comment on Howard's inability to perform as well as he wanted to see from Howard last year so I'm not sure exactly what Arians was talking about since he doesn't utilize TEs that often.

I would be willing to give up a pick that is based on Howard's playing time - trade him for 5th round (for example) with a condition that could turn it into 3rd round if Howard starts every game or something.[/quote]


I wouldn't trade them anything ...

They just signed Gronk.
They still have Brate.

They will cut OJ.

We can try him out on the cheap.

Or ... more likely .. find a better TE elsewhere.

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Why would they cut him when they could trade him? He def has value. Ok not a 3rd, they I would def offer a 4th.

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[quote=Chico23231;1251064]Why would they cut him when they could trade him?[/quote]


I'm sure they'll try. Doesn't mean they'll succeed. We tried trading Jordan Reed. He's shown a ton more than OJ Howard.

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[quote=Chico23231;1251064]Why would they cut him when they could trade him? He def has value. Ok not a 3rd, they I would def offer a 4th.[/quote]

Sure, offer a 4th, but push come to shove, I'd do a 3rd. Heck, with the 2020 NCAA season in doubt, all 2021 draft picks may not be worth nearly as much as usual.

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I gave the Redskins an A. I didn't put it on Kyle and RR that we didn't have a second round pick. I voted based on what circumstances these guys were presented with. I'm surprised at some of the negativity toward Charles. I thought he was a steal in the 4th round. I think Young alone will give us more out of this draft than most teams get out of their whole class. Love the upside possibilities of the 2 Antonio's, as well. I really wanted them to draft Moss in the 7th, but they got him anyway! I'm happy.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1251045]Where is AnonEmouse? This is a brilliant example of American sarcasm. It is a short post that covers a lot of ground on multiple levels, punctuated by actually voting "F". Sarcastic AF.[/quote]

Thank you. There might just be hope for this place yet.

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They signed an NFL international pathway DL David Bada from Germany ...looks like a big athletic DE on Hudl....my guess is 6'4" 275

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[quote=mooby;1251074]Thank you. There might just be hope for this place yet.[/quote]

Hey, I resemble that remark...

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With the picks we had, I gave the draft a B.

Loved the Young, Gibson, AGG, & Charles picks. AGG in particular has huge upside & I could see him starting opposite Terry.

Got back a 3rd & a 5th for TW.

Still feel we need another CB, but we can adress that in FA (Amukamara, Ryan?) can’t fill all our needs in the draft.

Signing Moss as an UFA makes the draft a B+

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[quote=MTK;1251022][URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/detailed-look-how-ron-rivera-and-kyle-smith-researched-then-decided-saahdiq-charles"]A detailed look into how Ron Rivera and Kyle Smith researched, then decided on, Saahdiq Charles[/URL][/quote]

I'm really curious about Saahdiq Charles. Both [URL="https://art19.com/shows/cooley-and-kevin/episodes/d9db10f7-4b05-45b4-a272-5ff7f3f11b68"]Sheehan[/URL] and [URL="https://art19.com/shows/redskin-talk/episodes/1226aa7b-0d3e-45e4-a0a6-626e6c771623"]JP Finlay's hosts [/URL]were quite high on him.
But when I watch [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwMG_QjgIs"]highlights[/URL] I'm not that impressed, his hand technique looks stiff and slow to me...

[I][U]BUT[/U][/I], I've proven I'm [I][U]NOT[/U][/I] an expert on line play, so I'd like to know what you guys like when you watch tape on him.

Last year we were all very impressed by Wes Martin's tape, so was I, and while he still has time to progress (and showed signs of improvement late in the season), he didn't play to the level some of us were expecting.

Most experts I've heard think he could start this year, do you guys have insight on why that is ?

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1251113]I'm really curious about Saahdiq Charles. Both [URL="https://art19.com/shows/cooley-and-kevin/episodes/d9db10f7-4b05-45b4-a272-5ff7f3f11b68"]Sheehan[/URL] and [URL="https://art19.com/shows/redskin-talk/episodes/1226aa7b-0d3e-45e4-a0a6-626e6c771623"]JP Finlay's hosts [/URL]were quite high on him.
But when I watch [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwMG_QjgIs"]highlights[/URL] I'm not that impressed, his hand technique looks stiff and slow to me...

[I][U]BUT[/U][/I], I've proven I'm [I][U]NOT[/U][/I] an expert on line play, so I'd like to know what you guys like when you watch tape on him.

Last year we were all very impressed by Wes Martin's tape, so was I, and while he still has time to progress (and showed signs of improvement late in the season), he didn't play to the level some of us were expecting.

Most experts I've heard think he could start this year, do you guys have insight on why that is ?[/quote]

I am no expert but I suspect that hand speed is easier to coach up than foot speed, he has the athleticism and experience against top college defences, after all he was blocking the blindside for Burrow last year.

I actually thought that Martin was better than I expected last year and hope he is pushing to start at LG this year

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I watched a scouting video where the scout mentioned that Charles needed to improve his hand technique and his punch. On the other hand, the scout was impressed by his athleticism and his ability to mirror the pass rusher. The scout also said that he is definitely a Left Tackle who should be able to start soon. Worst case: He could move to OG.

Now for the ignoramus observations: I was impressed by his spirit and hustle. He looks like a player who loves to play football. He is a determined run blocker who hustles downfield looking for more people to block.

I was also impressed to hear from Coach how much work the Skins did to check him out as a person. I think he could be a steal.

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Some takeaways on Charles from this article on The Athletic

[URL="https://theathletic.com/1775407/2020/04/26/what-the-redskins-are-getting-in-lsu-left-tackle-saahdiq-charles/"]What the Redskins are getting in LSU left tackle Saahdiq Charles[/URL]

- The immediate standout trait for Charles is his athleticism. He’s listed at 6-foot-4, 321 pounds, but is very light on his feet. He doesn’t quite have Williams’ elite athleticism, but he’s more than capable of eating up ground, working out in space, and reaching landmarks other tackles can’t.

- In the run game, this athletic ability translates directly to zone blocking schemes. Charles is a capable zone blocker with the ability to climb up to the second level comfortably to reach linebackers or use his athleticism to run defenders out of the play.

- As a pass protector, Charles’ athleticism is advantageous, as he has great foot quickness. That allows him to match speed rushers off the edge and cut them off, but also allows him to change direction quickly.

- Having quick and natural feet is a huge plus for a left tackle and something that can’t really be taught. However, Charles isn’t a flawless prospect. He needs work on his technique, particularly with his hands. In general, his hands are often too high and wide when pass protecting.

- Outside of hand placement, Charles’ main flaw is his playing strength. He’s very athletic and light on his feet, which is beneficial in plenty of aspects, but it means he doesn’t exactly pack a punch when it comes to impact blocks.

- Overall, Charles is a promising talent with the ability to develop into a solid starter with some work on a few correctable flaws. He has some nice tools that can’t be taught, like his natural athletic ability and very good feet that allow him to cut off speed rushers and mirror other rushers as they work through multiple moves. The ability to get out on screens and block in space shouldn’t be underestimated either, with the likes of Terry McLaurin, Steven Sims and third-round pick Antonio Gibson all significant threats in the screen game. However, he does need some technical work and fine-tuning before he’s ready to start. His hand placement, particularly his outside hand, needs to be better, and he would benefit from adding more strength from a professional strength and conditioning program that he’ll receive in the NFL.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1251114]I am no expert but I suspect that hand speed is easier to coach up than foot speed, he has the athleticism and experience against top college defences, after all he was blocking the blindside for Burrow last year.

I actually thought that Martin was better than I expected last year and hope he is pushing to start at LG this year[/quote]

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1251119]I watched a scouting video where the scout mentioned that Charles needed to improve his hand technique and his punch. On the other hand, the scout was impressed by his athleticism and his ability to mirror the pass rusher. The scout also said that he is definitely a Left Tackle who should be able to start soon. Worst case: He could move to OG.

Now for the ignoramus observations: I was impressed by his spirit and hustle. He looks like a player who loves to play football. He is a determined run blocker who hustles downfield looking for more people to block.

I was also impressed to hear from Coach how much work the Skins did to check him out as a person. I think he could be a steal.[/quote]


[quote=MTK;1251121]Some takeaways on Charles from this article on The Athletic

[URL="https://theathletic.com/1775407/2020/04/26/what-the-redskins-are-getting-in-lsu-left-tackle-saahdiq-charles/"]What the Redskins are getting in LSU left tackle Saahdiq Charles[/URL]

- The immediate standout trait for Charles is his athleticism. He’s listed at 6-foot-4, 321 pounds, but is very light on his feet. He doesn’t quite have Williams’ elite athleticism, but he’s more than capable of eating up ground, working out in space, and reaching landmarks other tackles can’t.

- In the run game, this athletic ability translates directly to zone blocking schemes. Charles is a capable zone blocker with the ability to climb up to the second level comfortably to reach linebackers or use his athleticism to run defenders out of the play.

- As a pass protector, Charles’ athleticism is advantageous, as he has great foot quickness. That allows him to match speed rushers off the edge and cut them off, but also allows him to change direction quickly.

- Having quick and natural feet is a huge plus for a left tackle and something that can’t really be taught. However, Charles isn’t a flawless prospect. He needs work on his technique, particularly with his hands. In general, his hands are often too high and wide when pass protecting.

- Outside of hand placement, Charles’ main flaw is his playing strength. He’s very athletic and light on his feet, which is beneficial in plenty of aspects, but it means he doesn’t exactly pack a punch when it comes to impact blocks.

- Overall, Charles is a promising talent with the ability to develop into a solid starter with some work on a few correctable flaws. He has some nice tools that can’t be taught, like his natural athletic ability and very good feet that allow him to cut off speed rushers and mirror other rushers as they work through multiple moves. The ability to get out on screens and block in space shouldn’t be underestimated either, with the likes of Terry McLaurin, Steven Sims and third-round pick Antonio Gibson all significant threats in the screen game. However, he does need some technical work and fine-tuning before he’s ready to start. His hand placement, particularly his outside hand, needs to be better, and he would benefit from adding more strength from a professional strength and conditioning program that he’ll receive in the NFL.[/quote]

Thanks you guys, good insight, great read !

On a personal note I'm glad to see my football eyes improved a little bit, hand technique needed to improve is cited multiple times.
And as a Redskins fan I'm glad experts see a lot of potential in this young prospect at a critical position of need for us!

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Excited about Charles - he may be a steal in the draft. A major issue were major personal problems - that’s why he sank so low. He’ll need close monitoring and mentoring, strength training and technique instruction.


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Charles got dominated by Bama but that isn't a huge surprise, they did that to almost everyone. He was pretty good every other game. I think he could be a starter come Sept.

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Sheehan said something that I think is worth mentioning:

The Redskins signed the [URL="https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/undrafted-free-agent-tracker-2020-rookie-signings-from-all-32-nfl-teams-in-one-spot-following-nfl-draft/"]least amount of UDFA in the league[/URL], with 4... the second least being 7, most teams having signed 10/15 players, the Ravens leading the league with 22 UDFAs.

Not sure it's gonna mean anything come September... but I do think it's telling of a different approach. I think Rivera wants to evaluate this roster almost "as it is now".

Also may be according to his coach centered approach.