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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1245548]This is from cbssports.com most recent mock draft. I feel a little naughty for posting this.

NFL MOCK DRAFT ROUND 1

Round 1 - Pick 1

Joe Burrow QB
LSU • SR • 6'4" / 221 LBS
PROJECTED TEAM
Cincinnati
PROSPECT RNK
2nd
POSITION RNK
1st
Joe Burrow silenced any concerns that he would refuse to play for Cincinnati. It was the only obstacle remaining before the two parties came together.

Round 1 - Pick 2

[B]Tua Tagovailoa[/B] QB
ALABAMA • JR • 6'0" / 217 LBS
PROJECTED TEAM
[B]Washington[/B]
PROSPECT RNK
3rd
POSITION RNK
1st

If the NFL Draft were a straight forward venture then there would be no need for mock drafts. A year ago, the Cardinals selected Kyler Murray one year after drafting Josh Rosen in the top 10. If Washington comes to the conclusion that Tagovailoa is a better long-term option than Dwayne Haskins, why would they not take him and then deal Haskins for additional draft capital?[/quote]

I think that perhaps some of us are forgetting about Young in the equation. It isn't a comparison of Haskins vs. Tua. It is a comparison of Haskins plus Young vs. Tua. If you think Haskins is so valuable that he could be traded for top draft picks, then all the more reason to keep him and draft Young. I'm a huge Tua fan, but we are talking about Haskins plus one of the top graded players of all time in Young. I really think RR looks at it this way as well.

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I want Young, he's the best player in this class and typically those guys pan out to be stars. Look at recent years.

Barkley - Stud
Q Nelson - Best OL in football
Myles Garrett - Stud

Draft Chase Young

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[quote=Redskins247;1245541]This is how I feel as well. If Young becomes the next Lawrence Taylor, and Haskins can be as good as Phil Simms...then maybe we have a shot at making it work like Giants did back then. But Kerrigan it seems will still be here, so the cubbard is not bare at DE at all...but there's still a big ? at the most important position on the field and we have a draft pick that can give us a potential upgrade. Just because Haskins looked better towards the end of the season, is certainly no guarantee it will continue...everyone said the same thing about Trubisky after the 2018 season...how do Bears fans feel now?[/quote]

Haskins has way more upside than Mitch ever did tho, If we didn't have such a glaring need of a legit star on Defense, I'd say F it Trade Haskins for a 3rd and take Tua but look at our dline, the interior is really good, the outside is average at best. Sweat could end up being a stud but he was not very good last yr, so there are concerns that he's just another P Smith, solid but not a dependable pass rusher. Chase Young could be the next Julius Peppers , those guys don't come around often.

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Haskins had two smoking hot games to finish out his seven-game season. They weren’t just “good” games - they showed his ability to play at an elite level in the NFL.

No one knows whether his last two games will translate in a long-term franchise QB. But he showed CONSTANT improvement the whole season. Both his last two games were OVER 120 QB rating exhibitions of his improving talent.

Haskin’s improved DESPITE a shaky OL, poor TEs, three rookie WR and a totally archaic offensive philosophy pushed by Callahan.

If Haskins did not improve - even with a 7-game sample, then I could see the angst about him. But he DID get better and he reached an OUTSTANDING level in just his sixth game. So why all the internet articles about taking Tua now and dumping Haskins? How good did he have to get to in his sixth game - a perfect game??




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Tua will be a monster in the league .. Franchise QB ..Best QB Washington has had maybe forever!! ... hmmm does that sound over the top .. yep but it also sounds exactly like what some are saying about Young.. who is right ?? Maybe nobody however there is NO debate of what the most important position in football is .. QB ! and that’s why we must seriously look at TUA .

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1245574]Tua will be a monster in the league .. Franchise QB ..Best QB Washington has had maybe forever!! ... hmmm does that sound over the top .. yep but it also sounds exactly like what some are saying about Young.. who is right ?? Maybe nobody however there is NO debate of what the most important position in football is .. QB ! and that’s why we must seriously look at TUA .[/QUOTE]



I think Tua is going to be a franchise QB. But Haskins showed in his last games that he could be elite also. If Haskins had shown no growth in his rookie season, or if he totally sucked at the end of the season, then I could see the possibility of considering doing what the Cardinals did with a QB replacement draft choice. The Cardinals looked at Josh Rosens’ rookie season and thought he might be a draft bust. He didn’t grow, he didn’t improve, looked lousy his first year. They took the chance to replace him, traded him and replaced him with Murray. They made the right choice.

But Haskins got better every game his rookie season. He played hurt and showed his toughness and grit. He showed leadership. The last two games were played at an ELITE level AS A ROOKIE. What more do people want?


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[quote=rocnrik;1245574]Tua will be a monster in the league .. Franchise QB ..Best QB Washington has had maybe forever!! ... hmmm does that sound over the top .. yep but it also sounds exactly like what some are saying about Young.. who is right ?? Maybe nobody however there is NO debate of what the most important position in football is .. QB ! and that’s why we must seriously look at TUA .[/quote]
Sure. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQHpBDzMRzk[/url]

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Exactly!! Good watch!

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[quote=Warthog;1245576]I think Tua is going to be a franchise QB. But Haskins showed in his last games that he could be elite also. If Haskins had shown no growth in his rookie season, or if he totally sucked at the end of the season, then I could see the possibility of considering doing what the Cardinals did with a QB replacement draft choice. The Cardinals looked at Josh Rosens’ rookie season and thought he might be a draft bust. He didn’t grow, he didn’t improve, looked lousy his first year. They took the chance to replace him, traded him and replaced him with Murray. They made the right choice.

But Haskins got better every game his rookie season. He played hurt and showed his toughness and grit. He showed leadership. The last two games were played at an ELITE level AS A ROOKIE. What more do people want?


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I think Haskins is a Good Young QB and can be a franchise QB and showed some good growth and will get better but seriously to call him "Elite" after last season ,no .

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The questions on Haskins aren't on talent. Its if these rumors of lack of work ethic and a learning disability are true

If either are true and can't be fixed then we should consider drafting Tua. If these rumors are crap stay the course with Haskins

Should we be drafting Tua???
 

He doesn’t have a learning disability, Rivera and Kyle Smith both have praised his work ethic in the past week


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It all boils down to RR and Smith, if they feel that Tua will fir the new scheme / regime better than they need to take him. If they believe in DH, draft Chase.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1245539]Well said. If the team does not think Haskins is likely to ever be elite, but believes Tua can be, this is a no brainer - you draft Tua.

So far, to me, Haskins seems destined to be a middling QB. Not elite, not bad, but a serviceable starter. You don’t pass up on an elite QB because you have one that’s just OK.


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If Tua didn't have the injury concerns then I would draft him over Young. But if you're the Redskins you probably can't take that chance. But if they did, if they take that huge risk and it panned out it totally changes the franchise. The fans come back, the city returns to being a true Redskins town again. IDK, they have to do their due diligence and someone is going to have a real tough decision to make.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1245586]I think Haskins is a Good Young QB and can be a franchise QB and showed some good growth and will get better but seriously to call him "Elite" after last season ,no .[/QUOTE]



If you actually read my post I never called Haskins elite. What I said was that his last two games had elite numbers. He had a QB rating of 120 and 141 in his last two games.

What I said was that he had a terrible first game, but improved steadily every game. He had two outstanding last two games.

I don’t know if Haskjns will be a franchise QB. But he was getting better every game and that’s all you can expect with an inexperienced rookie. I’m excited to see how he will do in his second season.


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[quote=Redskins247;1245541]This is how I feel as well. If Young becomes the next Lawrence Taylor, and Haskins can be as good as Phil Simms...then maybe we have a shot at making it work like Giants did back then. But Kerrigan it seems will still be here, so the cubbard is not bare at DE at all...but there's still a big ? at the most important position on the field and we have a draft pick that can give us a potential upgrade. Just because Haskins looked better towards the end of the season, is certainly no guarantee it will continue...[B]everyone said the same thing about Trubisky after the 2018 season...how do Bears fans feel now?[/quote][/B]

This... If I had to guess at the very best outcome Haskins is a middle range starter. Will he ever be an elite starter? I would probably say no.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1245563]I want Young, he's the best player in this class and typically those guys pan out to be stars. Look at recent years.

Barkley - Stud
Q Nelson - Best OL in football
Myles Garrett - Stud

Draft Chase Young[/quote]

Nelson and Garrett right now have no chance cause their QB's are not good enough.

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Theisman is on board with Skipping Tua. That's Casserly, Theisman and others.

[url]https://247sports.com/Article/Redskins-great-Joe-Theismann-reacts-to-Tua-Tagovailoa-reports-144405976[/url]

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[quote=skinsfan69;1245616][/B]

This... If I had to guess at the very best outcome Haskins is a middle range starter. Will he ever be an elite starter? I would probably say no.[/quote]

You don't know what Haskins might develop into. He has the talent to be elite. Haskins is raw. There is a lot of room for growth. He just needs a team and a fan base with the patience to go through some pains. The worse thing for Haskins career was being drafted here.

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[quote=skinsfanmdc;1245629]Theisman is on board with Skipping Tua. That's Casserly, Theisman and others.

[url]https://247sports.com/Article/Redskins-great-Joe-Theismann-reacts-to-Tua-Tagovailoa-reports-144405976[/url][/quote]

Totally agree, any other position than QB and Tua's injury history would drop him down the draft board quite a bit. Let alone two ankle surgeries, a hip injury for a young person is rare enough that it should send up major red flags. Also the #2 overall pick in the NFL draft has produced quite a few blue chip defensive players in the course of history.

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[quote=Warthog;1245615]If you actually read my post I never called Haskins elite. What I said was that his last two games had elite numbers. He had a QB rating of 120 and 141 in his last two games.

What I said was that he had a terrible first game, but improved steadily every game. He had two outstanding last two games.

I don’t know if Haskjns will be a franchise QB. But he was getting better every game and that’s all you can expect with an inexperienced rookie. I’m excited to see how he will do in his second season.


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I read it and you used the word twice.in describing Haskins. I like the kid and he has potential but you were wrong to describe him as elite after this year, as for Haskins I'm not saying one bad word about him but no player is elite after two games in his rookie season.


Warthog said.....
"I think Tua is going to be a franchise QB. But Haskins showed in his last games that he could be elite also. If Haskins had shown no growth in his rookie season, or if he totally sucked at the end of the season, then I could see the possibility of considering doing what the Cardinals did with a QB replacement draft choice. The Cardinals looked at Josh Rosens’ rookie season and thought he might be a draft bust. He didn’t grow, he didn’t improve, looked lousy his first year. They took the chance to replace him, traded him and replaced him with Murray. They made the right choice.

But Haskins got better every game his rookie season. He played hurt and showed his toughness and grit. He showed leadership. The last two games were played at an ELITE level AS A ROOKIE. What more do people want?"

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[quote=Giantone;1245645]I read it and you used the word twice.in describing Haskins. I like the kid and he has potential but you were wrong to describe him as elite after this year, as for Haskins I'm not saying one bad word about him but no player is elite after two games in his rookie season.[/quote]

You're picking the fly shit out of the pepper. The gist of his post is that he believes that Haskins has enough potential as an NFL QB that we can afford to go for Chase Young with our #2 pick. You know what he meant to convey and nobody cares about how precisely he writes or your reading comprehension.

You give a Giants fan a chance on the board and... no, j/k, I actually enjoy most of your posts.

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Elite is a meaningless word in sports now a days anyways. Every youth team I see is Elite Such and Such, give me a break.

Also for the record he said “could be” elite and for two games “played at”a elite level.

And with that I think DH is going be Jack shit in this league draft Tau.

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[quote=mredskins;1245647]Elite is a meaningless word in sports now a days anyways. Every youth team I see is Elite Such and Such, give me a break.

Also for the record he said “could be” elite and for two games “played at”a elite level.

[B]And with that I think DH is going be Jack shit in this league draft Tau.[/B][/quote]

:lol:

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We don’t need to draft another injured player or one with a serious injury history. After the last two seasons did we not learn anything?
Chase Young is the choice.

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[quote=Defensewins;1245649]We don’t need to draft another injured player or one with a serious injury history. After the last two seasons did we not learn anything?
Chase Young is the choice.[/quote]

Exactly. I don’t get it.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;1245649]We don’t need to draft another injured player or one with a serious injury history. After the last two seasons did we not learn anything?

Chase Young is the choice.[/QUOTE]



Haskins improved over his rookie season. He started with a disastrous first game and then got better every game. His last two games were outstanding. He showed the POTENTIAL to be our franchise QB. We will know a lot more about him this season when:

1. OL is stabilized by resigning Scherff, Flowers and maybe Trent Williams. I’m sure they will draft for the OT. Martins progressed and will either be a very good backup or a good starter. BL - the OL will be much better than last year.

2. We will sign either Hooper or Henry in FA for top dollar ($10-11 mill/yr). I think the team will use there third round draft pick (#66) for a TE. BL - the TE position will be improved greatly over last year. This will help Haskins in the Red Zone.

3. Not sure what the team will do for WR #2. Rumors of Cooper ($20 mill/yr) which I think are smoke and mirrors. I think the team will draft for a WR, versus using FA. But they may hire a older WR for a short contract. BL - WR will be better because our rookies will be more experienced. We may get a speedster in the draft or FA to compete with Harmon.

4. Besides the filling the TE black hole, the biggest improvement for Haskins will be the OC, Scott Turner. Scott is green, but he will change the Redskins offense using passing-heavy schemes with our rejuvenated WR & TE. KOC may improve under McVay, but he operated a run-intense offense that was very predictable AND ineffective. That’s why we were the WORST offense in the NFL. We ran on first down something like 80% of the time. Scott Turner will bring this offense into the 21st century. This can only help Haskins.

So with all these improvements we will see whether Haskins has the juice to be our franchise QB or not. There can be no excuses. He either improves steadily as he did last season, or he doesn’t. I think he will get better as he gains more experience. I think he could be the long-term QB we have long waited for. But we’ll know more this season.

BTW, the Tua talk is just more smoke generated by the Redskins to see what offers they can get at their #2 pick.




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I think they want to know if Detroit is seriously interested.....

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[quote=Warthog;1245652]Haskins improved over his rookie season. He started with a disastrous first game and then got better every game. His last two games were outstanding. He showed the POTENTIAL to be our franchise QB. We will know a lot more about him this season when:

1. OL is stabilized by resigning Scherff, Flowers and maybe Trent Williams. I’m sure they will draft for the OT. Martins progressed and will either be a very good backup or a good starter. BL - the OL will be much better than last year.

2. We will sign either Hooper or Henry in FA for top dollar ($10-11 mill/yr). I think the team will use there third round draft pick (#66) for a TE. BL - the TE position will be improved greatly over last year. This will help Haskins in the Red Zone.

3. Not sure what the team will do for WR #2. Rumors of Cooper ($20 mill/yr) which I think are smoke and mirrors. I think the team will draft for a WR, versus using FA. But they may hire a older WR for a short contract. BL - WR will be better because our rookies will be more experienced. We may get a speedster in the draft or FA to compete with Harmon.

4. Besides the filling the TE black hole, the biggest improvement for Haskins will be the OC, Scott Turner. Scott is green, but he will change the Redskins offense using passing-heavy schemes with our rejuvenated WR & TE. KOC may improve under McVay, but he operated a run-intense offense that was very predictable AND ineffective. That’s why we were the WORST offense in the NFL. We ran on first down something like 80% of the time. Scott Turner will bring this offense into the 21st century. This can only help Haskins.

So with all these improvements we will see whether Haskins has the juice to be our franchise QB or not. There can be no excuses. He either improves steadily as he did last season, or he doesn’t. I think he will get better as he gains more experience. I think he could be the long-term QB we have long waited for. But we’ll know more this season.

BTW, the Tua talk is just more smoke generated by the Redskins to see what offers they can get at their #2 pick.




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I agree that OC Scott Turner will help in the long term. I was so tired of Gruden's no adjustments coaching staff. Terrible at developing talent.
Getting back to a more traditional offense, getting a FB lead blocker, play action deception and getting away from Grudens offense will go a long way.
Gruden never saw the benefit of having a run blocking FB or TE. It was all about passing, Jordan Reed and having no FB's on the roster is proof. We need run blocking TE and FB.
Glad change is here.

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Haskins will be a good QB, lets not overreact here to Tua Mania. The issue is we need so much more than a QB, we don't even know who will be starting on the line lol, you want to bring in a guy that may sit out 2020 with the #2 pick? No way man, he's got great potential but let Miami take that chance... We need Chase Young

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1245663]Haskins will be a good QB, lets not overreact here to Tua Mania. The issue is we need so much more than a QB, we don't even know who will be starting on the line lol, you want to bring in a guy that may sit out 2020 with the #2 pick? No way man, he's got great potential but let Miami take that chance... We need Chase Young[/quote]

I would not draft him - He cant stay healthy...... That being said if Burrows drops (chances of this are slim to none) draft him - trade Haskins (not a knock on Haskins). Bengals take Burrows, we take Young - plain and simple....unless offered a a kings ransom in picks....Also dump Williams for what ever you can get for him. He does not want to be a redskins....

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I wish I could hibernate until April 23rd.

We're drafting Chase Young. Let's all accept it and move on.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1245666]I wish I could hibernate until April 23rd.

We're drafting Chase Young. Let's all accept it and move on.[/quote]

The off season sucks. I get sucked in for a day and then realize I just can't do it. The combine and all these pro days, Tua vs Haskins... just a bunch of nonsense.

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If we drafted Tua, he wouldn’t be competing with anyone.


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“Rivera told Tagovailoa he wants to bring him to Washington to compete with second-year quarterback Dwayne Haskins during their meeting at the NFL combine, a source told the South Florida Sun Sentinel.

“They felt like Dwayne was not the guy right now,” the source said.

This is a surprise if the source is legit

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1245671]“Rivera told Tagovailoa he wants to bring him to Washington to compete with second-year quarterback Dwayne Haskins during their meeting at the NFL combine, a source told the South Florida Sun Sentinel.

“They felt like Dwayne was not the guy right now,” the source said.

This is a surprise if the source is legit[/quote]

Even if Rivera said that it could just be BS propaganda trying to get teams interested in Tua to offer the Redskins a king's ransom for the 2nd pick. Around draft time coaches and general managers are about as honest as used car salesmen and politicians.

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If we truly want Chase, then the best thing would be to see if the lions want to trade up a spot to get Tua. Get their #3 and at least a 2nd round pick. That way we could still get Chase. I guess they would have to some how know that they weren't taking Chase. I know some will say that they wouldn't want Tua they have Stafford. Some of the experts are saying that he needs to sit for the first year. That would be perfect for the lions.

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Only thing I know fa sho is that draft day can't get here soon enough.

We're either gonna find out if Riverboat Ron is playing the rest of the NFL like a fiddle or if he actually is ready to move on from Haskins.

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Per JP tweet:

Source tells me Ron Rivera wasnt in Redskins team meeting with Tua Tagovailoa last week in Indy. Rivera was in NFL league meetings during the team's sit-down with Tua.

1:09 PM - Mar 1, 2020

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1245676]Per JP tweet:

Source tells me Ron Rivera wasnt in Redskins team meeting with Tua Tagovailoa last week in Indy. Rivera was in NFL league meetings during the team's sit-down with Tua.

1:09 PM - Mar 1, 2020[/quote]

Its not really relevant whether he was there or not. I think it was Keim, or it could have been one of the other beat reporters, who tweeted that Rivera is on a number of committees and crazy busy at the combine. So busy in fact, that he missed his own press conference and had to reschedule. Rivera will be at Tua's pro day and talk with Tua again when he comes to the team for a workout/interview. The interest in Tua is real, even if its not the direction they go.

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I don't get all the hype for him.

He is only 6'1 and he is hurt all the time. And he's a damn lefty (sorry mom).

Dwayne Haskins is going to be a much better pro QB.