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Hire lou riddick

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1240793]I understand that sentiment, but [B]the idea that nothing will change if Bruce isn’t completely gone is kind of irrational[/B]. There are A LOT of things to hate about Bruce Allen, we can all agree on that. But just because someone sucks at running an entire company doesn’t mean they suck at literally everything and are not qualified to do anything.

Bruce is a bad GM, but i honestly do think he has the ability and personality to deal with politicians to get a stadium deal done. If he’s in some role where that his is one and only job, then good - it will free up the new president and GM to focus entirely on the football side of operations.


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I've been involved in enough businesses to know it is not irrational to fire a a failed executive rather than to reassign him. Bruce, as President was responsible for the culture of the organization. If a cultural change is desired, then he must go or the current culture will persist instead of being repudiated.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1240799]I've been involved in enough businesses to know it is not irrational to fire a a failed executive rather than to reassign him. Bruce, as President was responsible for the culture of the organization. If a cultural change is desired, then he must go or the current culture will persist instead of being repudiated.[/QUOTE]



You seem to have misread my comment.

I didn’t say that it would be irrational to fire him. I said it was irrational to think nothing would change unless we fired him.

You, and other misguided people, are asserting that this is an “all or nothing” proposition, when that is a black and white fallacy. It might be the only option that will make YOU happy, but it is not the only option that will result in dramatic improvement or a culture change.


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Really bizarre that ANY other NFL franchise would be looking at bringing Allen in any capacity. I can't believe it.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1240793]I understand that sentiment, but the idea that nothing will change if Bruce isn’t completely gone is kind of irrational. There are A LOT of things to hate about Bruce Allen, we can all agree on that. But just because someone sucks at running an entire company doesn’t mean they suck at literally everything and are not qualified to do anything.

Bruce is a bad GM, but i honestly do think he has the ability and personality to deal with politicians to get a stadium deal done. If he’s in some role where that his is one and only job, then good - it will free up the new president and GM to focus entirely on the football side of operations.


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I do not see stadium builder in BA’s resume. How many stadiums did he help his former teams build? Teams that needed new stadiums.
I see a polarizing insecure man who has ridden his daddy’s coat tails for to long. The only way the Redskins get a new stadium is turning around their tarnished image. Not exactly Allen’s strength. Sentiment in DC area for tax payer help to build a new stadium for Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen’s Redskins will not go far at this time. Dan has to distance himself from BA.
Add the lease at the current Stadium is through 2027. He is going to be with the Redksins until then? I hope not.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1240798]Hire lou riddick[/quote]

Please noooooo

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;1240804]I do not see stadium builder in BA’s resume. How many stadiums did he help his former teams build?

I see a polarizing insecure man who has ridden his daddy’s coat tails for to long. The only way the Redskins get a new stadium is turning around their tarnished image. Not exactly Allen’s strength. Sentiment in DC area for tax payer help to build a new stadium for Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen’s Redskins will not go far at this time. Dan has to distance himself from BA.

Add the lease at the current Stadium is through 2027. He is going to be with the Redksins until then? I hope not.[/QUOTE]


Good grief. Stadiums don’t get built very often. I don’t think there are ANY NFL execs out there have negotiated new stadium deals who are not currently employed. So a person with the resume you cite does not exist.

Bruce knows all the parties involved and, supposedly, has a very good reputation with DC politicians. He’s someone they know and have worked with for years. Unless it’s determined that BRUCE is the reason a stadium deal hasn’t gotten done yet, then it doesn’t make sense to remove him and bring in someone new when he’s neck deep in things, especially if all the parties involved have good relationships. To do so would be like drafting a rookie QB and forcing him on a head coach in a year he must win or be fired. It’s doomed for failure.

As far as how long Bruce would stay on working on the stadium deal - as long as necessary until the deal is done. If he’s not involved in football operations, then it doesn’t matter at all. He’ll have the same impact on the football side of things if the stadium deal takes 1 year or 10 - ZERO.

Sadly, it seems that many here are allowing their emotions and desire to see allens head on a stick to could rational thought.

I will only be alarmed if, after the new organization structure is announced, Bruce has people in Football Ops (executive Team president, GM, or HC) reporting to him.

My guess based on reports out there is that we’ll have someone from the outside (not beholden to bruce) coming in to be the the top executive. Bruce may report to him directly and be focused only on the stadium deal. Then maybe Schaffer or Smith is promoted to GM. It’s a good separation of future with Bruce having no influence in football stuff.



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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1240805]Please noooooo[/QUOTE]



Agreed. Riddick has no experience and seems like someone who would just be a “yes man” to Snyder. No thanks. We need a strong executive with enough credibility to keep Snyder at bay.


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[quote=Defensewins;1240804]I do not see stadium builder in BA’s resume. How many stadiums did he help his former teams build? Teams that needed new stadiums.
I see a polarizing insecure man who has ridden his daddy’s coat tails for to long. The only way the Redskins get a new stadium is turning around their tarnished image. Not exactly Allen’s strength. Sentiment in DC area for tax payer help to build a new stadium for Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen’s Redskins will not go far at this time. Dan has to distance himself from BA.
Add the lease at the current Stadium is through 2027. He is going to be with the Redksins until then? I hope not.[/quote]

This

The fact Bruce has engaged in multiple power struggles as well as character smear folks on the way out shows he isn’t a good person and lacks discipline needed to guide an org. This goes beyond his basic failures at his job.

The only way is if Bruce is gone period. Reassignment would be the Redskins still doing Redskins things.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1240799]I've been involved in enough businesses to know it is not irrational to fire a a failed executive rather than to reassign him. Bruce, as President was responsible for the culture of the organization. If a cultural change is desired, then he must go or the current culture will persist instead of being repudiated.[/quote]

You don't want that snake slithering around the building in any capacity after he is removed from football operations. Leaving him around poses too many risks. We aren't talking about a high character human being who is loved by all, we are talking about Bruce Allen.

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1240803]Really bizarre that ANY other NFL franchise would be looking at bringing Allen in any capacity. I can't believe it.[/QUOTE]



Yeah i don’t believe that story. I would guess the skins (or Allen himself) put that out there in advance of his “resignation” or role change to drum up some interest in some kind or role elsewhere in the league.


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Allen just needs to go away. Why would you want him doing business affairs when all the agents dislike him? Just fire him like you did Gruden.

Snyder wants the stadium in DC I believe. What ties does Allen have w/ the liberal DC govt? None as far as I know. His brother is a known racist and is out of politics so I'm not sure why Dan needs him, except to be drinking buds. I don't see any connections for DC or MD. Maybe VA...

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Bruce would be useful as a tackling dummy, just think of the boost to off season workout attendance, TW would be at the front of the line on day 1.

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1240803]Really bizarre that ANY other NFL franchise would be looking at bringing Allen in any capacity. I can't believe it.[/QUOTE]


He’s actually well respected as business executive, as a football guy not so much



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Jay Glazer seems to speculate BA could move to the business side of things. I hope not!!

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[quote=Chico23231;1240805]Please noooooo[/quote]

Agreed. I don't want Riddick here, no way.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1240826]Agreed. I don't want Riddick here, no way.[/quote]

I would have no issues with Riddick. He is well respected and can rebuild burned bridges.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1240812]Allen just needs to go away. Why would you want him doing business affairs when all the agents dislike him? Just fire him like you did Gruden.

Snyder wants the stadium in DC I believe. What ties does Allen have w/ the liberal DC govt? None as far as I know. His brother is a known racist and is out of politics so I'm not sure why Dan needs him, except to be drinking buds. I don't see any connections for DC or MD. Maybe VA...[/quote]

Exactly right. Knowing Dan, a childhood Redskins fan during RFK glory days, he wants his new stadium on the old RFK grounds. The classic TV shot of RFK near the national monuments is priceless.
MD and VA is strip malls and traffic. How did Landover work out?
With the political turnover Allen is not plugged in politically anymore, in fact his unpopularity in DC area make him a political liability for any politician.
Dan needs to fire BA and hire a legitimate Media relation and Political relations firm that specializes in these type projects. Not Bruce Allen. Would you put BA in charge anything after what he did to the Redskins? Not a logical choice.
Who in their right mind would think Bruce is top choice? Even Dan can see that from his yacht.

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Redskins Twitter says Rivera is the guy

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1240831]Redskins Twitter says Rivera is the guy

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I'm not sure I buy the Twitter talk but who knows. With the Giants looking like they're going to move on from their coach, why wouldn't he go there where he has a relationship with the GM? He has no ties here at all.

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Jay Glazer has confirmed that Ron is the #1 guy and a presser is schedule for tomorrow. I'd love that hire

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1240833]Jay Glazer has confirmed that Ron is the #1 guy and a presser is schedule for tomorrow. I'd love that hire

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I’d def take Ron as HC...good hire if true.

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[quote=Chico23231;1240835]I’d def take Ron as HC...good hire if true.[/quote]

I'd settle for Ron but he's not my #1 candidate.

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Discipline will be instored right away and this team needs that desperately.

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I’m all in with Riverboat Ron


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[quote=MTK;1240844]I’m all in with Riverboat Ron


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[url]https://sports.cbsimg.net/images/blogs/RiverBoatRon.trademark.330.png[/url]

What a Nerd, "prefers to be called". Sorry bruh, you're Riverboat to me. Big fan of the hire if true. I am very curious to Kevin O'Connell's and the rest of the FO's fate.

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[quote=RobH4413;1240846][url]https://sports.cbsimg.net/images/blogs/RiverBoatRon.trademark.330.png[/url]

What a Nerd, "prefers to be called". Sorry bruh, you're Riverboat to me. Big fan of the hire if true. I am very curious to Kevin O'Connell's and the rest of the FO's fate.[/quote]

Kevin would be retained as OC since he has helped Haskins quick progression and don’t start over with a new OC.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1240848]Kevin would be retained as OC since he has helped Haskins quick progression and don’t start over with a new OC.[/quote]

I totally disagree with this. Whomever the new coach is needs to be able to bring in his own coaches, or have the authority to bring in his own coaches.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1240851]I totally disagree with this. Whomever the new coach is needs to be able to bring in his own coaches, or have the authority to bring in his own coaches.[/quote]

As usual the Redskins do business differently and maybe there is an agreement with whoever the coach will be. In this case it makes sense, I think KOC has done a good job once Callahan removed the shackles from him.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1240851]I totally disagree with this. Whomever the new coach is needs to be able to bring in his own coaches, or have the authority to bring in his own coaches.[/quote]

I agree with this.

In fact it's very concerning if Snyder picked his own head coach again.

Bring in a guy to run football ops, let that guy pick his head coach, the head coach picks his staff.

If Dan is picking the head coach and insisting his football ops guy work with Ron he has learned nothing and we're doomed to another 5-10 years of mediocrity.

The only scenario which I accept is Dan hiring his football ops guy, his football ops guy wants Riverboat Ron, and Riverboat Ron likes KOC as his O-coordinator.

I don't have anything against KOC, just believe it's a terrible look if Dan forced him on his new HC.

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Read this from JP Finlay regarding KOC, Rivera and Lewis.

[url]https://twitter.com/jpfinlaynbcs/status/1210668904953110529?s=21[/url]

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Hopefully Shaeffer takes over BA’s position.

[url]https://twitter.com/salarycap101/status/1211141437821079555?s=21[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1240861]Hopefully Shaeffer takes over BA’s position.

[url]https://twitter.com/salarycap101/status/1211141437821079555?s=21[/url][/quote]

I would be fine with this. Schaeffer has been critical as a cap guy. I'd let him oversee football ops, and think about Kyle Smith as GM (solely as main roster-builder decision maker, Eric keeps control over financial decisions), assuming Riverboat Ron signs on. Then Ron comes in and keeps KOC as his offensive coordinator.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1240839]Discipline will be instored right away and this team needs that desperately.

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Exactly this. Rivera is a leader of men. I welcome him with open arms.

The bigger question/intrigue for me is what's gonna happen in the front office. I don't see Rivera coming here with how things are now so I'm expecting a sizable shakeup.

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[quote=mooby;1240838]I'd settle for Ron but he's not my #1 candidate.[/quote]

Who is?

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First for all the Bruce Allen lovers who want to keep him in some capacity as a stadium guru or something else. He is a cancer in the organization:

1. He was considered the Worst GM in the NFL by players and agents in a USA poll two years ago. He is specifically listed as “untrustworthy” by them all. Is that a trait you want in a team executive?

2. He is despised by the Redskins fans and media. How is that going to translate into helping to get politicians to cough up a $ 1 Billion for a new stadium?

3. He was specifically listed as a casual factor by the team’s best player as a reason for wanting to leave the team? He sabotaged the possibility of trading this player, in his typical nasty manner. Is this a person you want in your organization?

4. While VP he continually undercut and sabotaged other qualified executives on the staff including a GM, an executive brought in to improve fan relations, and others. As these people were being released by the team he leaked nasty rumors about them. Again, is this a person you want in your franchise in any capacity? He got rid of these people not because they were failing but because they WERE SUCCEEDING and steeling his thunder. To be a SUCCESSFUL executive you hire people better than you, give them guidelines but let them do great things. You don’t sabotage them because they are doing better than you!

5. He was clueless about football and showed his arrogance and lack of awareness of the problems on the team. Calling the culture of the team as “damn good” when the team eventually would go to 3-13 shows his utter lack of situational awareness.

I don’t hate Bruce Allen. He is just a guy who moved in the NFL based on nepotism. He has been an utter failure at every aspect of this team: over 100 losses in 10 years, considered the worst GM in the league and NO STADIUM. How many years do you give a guy to do anything positive besides being Dan Snyder lackey? He is a terrible GM and a pitiful leader, and shows me no attributes as an executive that I can see. Get rid of him and move on.


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[quote=SkinzWin;1241079]Who is?[/quote]

LOL. I literally wrote this long ass post explaining why I'm enamored with Eric Bienemy for making the Chiefs offense look good. And one of my major factors with Bienemy was how fascinated I am with the Andy Reid coaching tree, because his coaching tree has gone on to major success in a way that Bill B's coaching tree never did. I typed out several different reasons why I trust Reid's process and that's why Bienemy is my #1 guy, and then I found the link to the SI article where they interviewed several of his former assistants and that's where I found out Ron Rivera comes from the Andy Reid coaching tree.

So all the points I made about how I trust the Andy Reid coaching tree and that's why Bienemy is my #1 choice also led me to realize what a dumbass I am because Ron Rivera comes from that same tree.

Reid's philosophy is about putting a premium on coaches who are good teachers and motivators and who never stop learning. Rivera falls under that discipline, as does Bienemy.

After reading this and gaining more insight into Rivera I would be fine with him running the show and keeping KOC on as O-coordinator.

Just so you can see where I'm coming from, here's the article:
[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/11/15/andy-reid-coaching-tree-doug-pederson-sean-mcdermott-ron-rivera-matt-nagy-steve-spagnuolo-john-harbaugh[/url]

[quote=Ron Rivera on Andy Reid]
One of the things you gotta give Andy credit for is the way he does things. It’s almost like it’s right out of Bill Walsh’s book, Finding the Winning Edge. When I was first with Andy, he encouraged me to go get it, so I read the book. And by reading the book, one of the things I learned off it was that everything we did with Andy was in the book. So I started seeing why—in the book, there are great explanations of why Bill Walsh did everything that he did. … He trusts you. So by empowering you and giving you trust, you really do feel like, wow, ‘This is mine, he’s given us an opportunity to take a true stake in what we do.’

One thing he always did with us, when we had to do our reviews from the game, we all did it together in the same room, and you had to sign your name to it. You had to put your grades up in front of everybody. And every now and then, you had to explain why you graded your players like you did. I’m an eternally optimistic person. So one time, we’re grading, and my grades are a little higher than everybody’s. And we had won the game.

So after we got done, Andy said, ‘Ron, can you stay?’ I said, ‘Sure.’ So I stayed in the room and he starts talking about the grades, everybody’s grades. And we’d won this game like 35-7, I can’t remember who we beat. And Andy was smiling—‘You ever notice anything about the grades up here?’ I said, ‘I don’t know what you’re getting at, coach.’ Andy say, ‘Well, you see everyone’s grades, you notice yours are a little high?’ So I said, ‘Coach, we won the game 35-7.’ I’m looking at our offensive line, and nobody graded better than a 2.0, and a 2.0 was a backup player that you’re looking to replace—3.0 was a solid starter who did a great job, 3.5 was a guy playing Pro Bowl-caliber football, 4.0 was an All-Pro.

And I said, ‘Coach, I’m just looking at these grades and saying how can we win a game by so much and have so many low grades?” He said, ‘OK, I get it.’ And what I took, he didn’t judge me. He just asked me what I thought about it. And from that, it made me realize, I’m a positive guy, I look at things from a positive perspective—we had to do something right if we won 35-7. And he was that way too.

I remember asking Andy, ‘You know, you never fire anybody. Why?’ He said, ‘Ron, two things. First of all, I hired you. If I think something’s not going well, I’m gonna work with you, I’m gonna train you and give you every opportunity to succeed. If I don’t do that, it’s on me, it’s my fault.’ So he gave us this book on teaching, it’s a little book on teaching. And in it, there are little things about the progression of learning, the progression of teaching, you teach everything from the core, from the base. Like a tree, everything grows up, you’ve got a firm foundation and then it branches out. That’s how I look at coaching, from having read that book.
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Now I'm not saying I think Andy Reid is the best coach in the history of football (obviously Bill Belichick is in that convo). But the way he brings coaches up and the ones that have gone on to major success makes me believe he does things the right way. I'm a believer in the Reid system.

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[URL="https://twitter.com/PeteHaileyNBCS/status/1211449795572838406"]Gotta love this video of DA and AS walking out the stadium in completely opposite direction of BA[/URL] ! Quite awkwardly tensed but great sign as it comes to BA being completely out of here !

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Aside from late games being too late to watch live over here in the UK (thus I won't see the 49ers v Seahawks game until this evening as I'm working), the time difference also means we don't see fresh NFL news until around lunchtime. I'm waiting with bated breath for the announcement that BA is gone. :)

One thing I've not seen debated here is that it looks like we're signing our new HC before we sort out our GM situation. Is it me or is that an unusual scenario? Or is it because BA is sticking around like he proverbial bad smell? I hope not...

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[url]https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2864966-bruce-allen-reportedly-to-be-fired-as-redskins-president-of-football-operations[/url]