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You can sprain meniscus? That doesn't sound right.

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Morgan moses needs to shut his fucking mouth. He couldn’t help himself, he had to go on the biggest pieces of shit on dc talk radio and stir up drama. Didn’t fuckin swearinger do the same thing last year? Fuck man, keep this shit in house real teams.

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What did he say.. have not heard it.

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[quote=rocnrik;1229458]What did he say.. have not heard it.[/quote]

[url]https://thefandc.radio.com/morgan-moses-sitting-adrian-peterson-slap-face[/url]

Just some tmz bullshit the first week of the season

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Thanks !

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[quote=Chico23231;1229459][url]https://thefandc.radio.com/morgan-moses-sitting-adrian-peterson-slap-face[/url]

Just some tmz bullshit the first week of the season[/quote]

He should get the same treatment. Cut his fat overpaid ass. We gotta get rid of all the guys like this and go with the young hungry guys like McLaurin. Put Christian at RT and sign the best guy available to be backup. So tired of players running their fucking mouths.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1229454]Guice's injury is on Gruden's incompetent ass....if AP plays and Gruden uses them both then it minimises Guice's chances of injury....and it probably gives the running game more production....Gruden is a retard.[/quote]

Guice shouldn't play at all if you're worried about minimizing chances for injury. You can't proceed with him like that. Either he's cleared to play or he's not.

I somewhat understand the rationale behind making AP inactive - to bolster special teams...especially if the game plan was not to pound the rock, and considering how poor ST was during the preseason - you want to give it all you can. I disagree with that rationale though, because even if you thought Guice was healthy enough to handle the 15-16 carries, what's your plan when you get the lead? Hopefully, run run run...and AP would have been nice to have then...

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Guice is coming off a major injury. You EASE HIM BACK by playing him for SOME CARRIES, along with sharing the role with a still energetic and powerful AP. Guice should not have had to carry the whole running load himself on his very first damn NFL game after an ACL last year.

Guice’ s injury is mostly on Gruden!! Gruden was pissed because he wanted to get rid of AP and got overruled. So he pulled a high school move and grounded his 1,000 yd RB from last year.

Guice proved he wasn’t back 100% by getting 1.8 yds per carry. Yet, there was no way to fix things by bringing in AP.

Gruden sacrificed his veterans respect by grounding a well-liked, well-preforming star player, with the BS reason that he needed an extra guy on ST. It was far more important to ease Guice into his first real NFL game with help from AP, than bringing in a guy for punt returns.

This Redskins injury is caused by Gruden’s mismanagement , NOT just “bad luck”.


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[quote=Warthog;1229478]Guice is coming off a major injury. You EASE HIM BACK by playing him for SOME CARRIES, along with sharing the role with a still energetic and powerful AP. Guice should not have had to carry the whole running load himself on his very first damn NFL game after an ACL last year.

Guice’ s injury is mostly on Gruden!! Gruden was pissed because he wanted to get rid of AP and got overruled. So he pulled a high school move and grounded his 1,000 yd RB from last year.

Guice proved he wasn’t back 100% by getting 1.8 yds per carry. Yet, there was no way to fix things by bringing in AP.

Gruden sacrificed his veterans respect by grounding a well-liked, well-preforming star player, with the BS reason that he needed an extra guy on ST. It was far more important to ease Guice into his first real NFL game with help from AP, than bringing in a guy for punt returns.

This Redskins injury is caused by Gruden’s mismanagement , NOT just “bad luck
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While some people were surprised and couldn’t understand why I would be shocked Guice was named starter this is exactly why!
Coming off the major knee injury,a few carries in preseason,and then BAM named starter over AP who looked great last year!?
I thought the plan would be for AP to start and ease Guice in there for 3 or 4 carries a game.While I was happy to see Guice would be playing more,I thought it was a terrible decision to have AP inactive,and rightfully so. Gruden is getting crucified by current players on team,ex players from team,and just about everyone else

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Gruden's naming Guice the starter for Game 1 and then deactivating AP for the game was among the stupidest things Gruden has done as HC - and that's saying something! The way Gruden gave away HOF RB AP's starting role to someone who hadn't earned it was certain to piss off the veterans on the team.

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Brian Mitchell pretty much said the same thing as Warthog, he blamed Gruden for the injury saying Guice protecting the bad leg put too much stress on the good leg.

As is every year, this was the teams last preseason game, DG will get better. Gruden would be 0-6 on opening games if they played anyone other than the horrible cardinals last year.

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[quote=jamf;1229516]Brian Mitchell pretty much said the same thing as Warthog, he blamed Gruden for the injury saying Guice protecting the bad leg put too much stress on the good leg.

As is every year, this was the teams last preseason game, DG will get better. Gruden would be 0-6 on opening games if they played anyone other than the horrible cardinals last year.[/quote]

I love BMitch, but that's BS.

Guice had 10 carries, one less than he had in the third preseason game. He was cleared to play, played sparingly, and got injured. I'll never understand blaming the head coach for injuries. It's unfortunate, but all signs point to this guy being constructed with blown glass.

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[quote=jamf;1229516]Brian Mitchell pretty much said the same thing as Warthog, he blamed Gruden for the injury saying Guice protecting the bad leg put too much stress on the good leg.

As is every year, this was the teams last preseason game, DG will get better. Gruden would be 0-6 on opening games if they played anyone other than the horrible cardinals last year.[/quote]

His record against winning teams has to be terrible

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Maybe big Trent is right about this medical staff,or maybe Guice is just injury prone.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1229510]Gruden's naming Guice the starter for Game 1 and then deactivating AP for the game was among the stupidest things Gruden has done as HC - and that's saying something! The way Gruden gave away HOF RB AP's starting role to someone who hadn't earned it was certain to piss off the veterans on the team.[/quote]

He is getting slayed for how he handled deactivating Peterson for week 1.

September 7th quote from Jay Gruden:
"So if we have a game where we think we can run the ball 55 times in a game in an I-formation, then sure, I'll get him up."

September 9th, after Guice injury quote from Jay Gruden:
"Who wouldn't want Adrian?"

I am going to toss one more log on the conspiracy fire. Gruden defended deactivating Peterson by stating he needed more LB depth for special teams. He was concerned about kicking to Sproles.

Since AP was not on the active roster for week 1, that can nullify any guarantee of this seasons salary. If, for some unforeseen reason they are thinking about letting AP go and release him, since he was not on the active roster week 1, they can release him anytime this season and not have to pay him for the whole season. Players that are on the active roster by the end of week 1, the entire season salary is guaranteed. If not on the active roster week 1, then there are no guarantees.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1229519]I love BMitch, but that's BS.

Guice had 10 carries, one less than he had in the third preseason game. He was cleared to play, played sparingly, and got injured. I'll never understand blaming the head coach for injuries. It's unfortunate, but all signs point to this guy being constructed with blown glass.[/quote]

This.

You can what if everything. Guice or AP starting based on performance is one thing. Second guessing about injuries is pointless. People get hurt doing celebrations, in warm ups, head butting a stadium wall, or even crossing the street.

Alot of things fall on JG shoulders. This isnt one of them.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1229532]

Since AP was not on the active roster for week 1, that can nullify any guarantee of this seasons salary. If, for some unforeseen reason they are thinking about letting AP go and release him, since he was not on the active roster week 1, they can release him anytime this season and not have to pay him for the whole season. Players that are on the active roster by the end of week 1, the entire season salary is guaranteed. If not on the active roster week 1, then there are no guarantees.[/quote]


You're are trying to hard.
AP was on the week 1 roster and since he is a vested veteran, his 2019 salary is now guaranteed.

There are 53 men on the active roster, 48 dress for each game.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1229519]I love BMitch, but that's BS.



Guice had 10 carries, one less than he had in the third preseason game. He was cleared to play, played sparingly, and got injured. I'll never understand blaming the head coach for injuries. It's unfortunate, but all signs point to this guy being constructed with blown glass.[/QUOTE]



I know Guice only had 10 carries. But others, with much more football knowledge than me, have written that Guice just didn’t look to be at 100% for Philly and pushed it because it was his first NFL game and he was the starter.

All I’m saying is that if AP was there to take a few carries this might not have happened. Somehow we went from 60%/40% talk in TC/PS for the Guice/Peterson mix to 100% in the first game of his NFL career and after a major injury last year. WHY? Did Guice suddenly look so awesome in the preseason games that Gruden could just dump AP?

For a team with an excessive amount of injuries, two seasons in a row, perhaps a conservative approach to using players with injury history was the best path.

Did Jordan Reed really need to play in the preseason? The Eagles played NONE of their best players even a single play in the PS.

Could Guice have used a little help in his first game after an ACL last year?

You can make a case that every injury is just bad luck or an “act of God”. Perhaps. Or perhaps with a little extra care they may have had less of a Chance of happening.


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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1229519]I love BMitch, but that's BS.

Guice had 10 carries, one less than he had in the third preseason game. He was cleared to play, played sparingly, and got injured. I'll never understand blaming the head coach for injuries. It's unfortunate, but all signs point to this guy being constructed with blown glass.[/quote]

Isn't BMitch the same person that not long ago said that he thinks players are soft nowadays and don't play through injuries? I don't get it.

If Guice was cleared to play and played an entire half of the 3rd preseason game without any issues, then why are people blaming the coach for Guice's injury?

Gruden's stupidity comes from the way he called the game and abandoning the run. Portis and Cooley had a good take on this on Cooley's podcast, how both AP and Guice are down hill runners and Jay is not using them this way.

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[quote=Warthog;1229559]Did Jordan Reed really need to play in the preseason? The Eagles played NONE of their best players even a single play in the PS.
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Yes, Reed missed all of the preseason last year, and under produced throughout the season when he was healthy. Reed got hit helmet-to-helmet and got a concussion, that's not anyone's fault but the guy that hit him (who should have been ejected from that game)

[quote=Warthog;1229559]Could Guice have used a little help in his first game after an ACL last year?[/quote]

Perhaps, but he was cleared and played almost as many snaps as he did during the preseason.

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BMitch like to play both sides of the fence and he totally did with the Guice thing. BMitch doesnt like Gruden so I'm not surprised he'd find a BS was to blame him. Guice was cleared to play and he played and got hurt. Nothing more nothing less.

If you think back to training camp there was some talk that Guice was nursing a problem that was never really discussed. I always think that one thing leads to another and if Guice was truly nursing something with his leg then I wouldn't be surprised if somehow that minor injury lead to this.

I have no problem with them benching AP. This team is going nowhere and its time to see what the young players can do. Unfortunately we now know Guice is injury prone and likely isn't the bell cow RB the team was hoping he could be.

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[quote=Warthog;1229559]I know Guice only had 10 carries. But others, with much more football knowledge than me, have written that Guice just didn’t look to be at 100% for Philly and pushed it because it was his first NFL game and he was the starter.

All I’m saying is that if AP was there to take a few carries this might not have happened. Somehow we went from 60%/40% talk in TC/PS for the Guice/Peterson mix to 100% in the first game of his NFL career and after a major injury last year. WHY? Did Guice suddenly look so awesome in the preseason games that Gruden could just dump AP?

For a team with an excessive amount of injuries, two seasons in a row, perhaps a conservative approach to using players with injury history was the best path.

Did Jordan Reed really need to play in the preseason? The Eagles played NONE of their best players even a single play in the PS.

Could Guice have used a little help in his first game after an ACL last year?

You can make a case that every injury is just bad luck or an “act of God”. Perhaps. Or perhaps with a little extra care they may have had less of a Chance of happening.


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If they didn't think Guice was a 100%, there would have been a different plan. If he let on as though he was 100% and he wasn't, that's completely on him. He looked fine to me though, there just wasn't anywhere for him to run.

As far as playing in the preseason, yes Jordan Reed probably should have played because he needed the reps. Everyone has their own school of thought on how much you should play in the preseason. Tom Brady played. The Super Bowl MVP played in the 4th preseason game. I think it just boils down to what work you think your guys need to be prepared for the season.

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Funny thing is we have Love sitting on IR with a bad knee. These guys love drafting injury prone players. It's like they think they're getting value in guys cause they fall in the draft. What difference does it make if they're always hurt?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1229607]Funny thing is we have Love sitting on IR with a bad knee. These guys love drafting injury prone players. It's like they think they're getting value in guys cause they fall in the draft. What difference does it make if they're always hurt?[/quote]

They draft them, then keep them when they should just cut their losses. I don't know what they are thinking. What does Jordan Reed get like $10 million a year? He is either in street clothes or playing too dinged up to be effective 1/2 the time. So in reality you are paying 20 mil for every 16 games a tight end who can't block his mother is effective.

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Guice is meeting with DR. James Andrews today and the expectation is that he will need surgery... Timetable is 6-8 weeks per ESPN.

Its time to move on from him, he will never be healthy

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1229690]Guice is meeting with DR. James Andrews today and the expectation is that he will need surgery... Timetable is 6-8 weeks per ESPN.

Its time to move on from him, he will never be healthy[/quote]

Have you ever of the term “bad luck”, “snake bitten”? Shit happens!! Unfortunately we are one of those teams, you can blame the training staff whatever, I say it’s pure shitty luck.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1229607]Funny thing is we have Love sitting on IR with a bad knee. These guys love drafting injury prone players. It's like they think they're getting value in guys cause they fall in the draft. What difference does it make if they're always hurt?[/QUOTE]100.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1229697]100.

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Yup...the strategy of drafting a guy at discount because of injury is one this team shouldn't be implementing. Not with out injury history and overall talent on the team...we don't have the space.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1229690]Guice is meeting with DR. James Andrews today and the expectation is that he will need surgery... Timetable is 6-8 weeks per ESPN.

Its time to move on from him, he will never be healthy[/quote]

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1229695]Have you ever of the term “bad luck”, “snake bitten”? Shit happens!! Unfortunately we are one of those teams, you can blame the training staff whatever, I say it’s pure shitty luck.[/quote]

If it keeps happening year in and year out with the Redskins always among the leaders in lost games due to injury something more than bad luck is at play. Obviously many injuries are unavoidable, but some are. A good example was RG3, that guy was an accident waiting for a place to happen. He seemed to contort his body often in a way that made it seem he was trying to maximize possible injury from contact, not minimize it. He was either not taught how to properly protect himself or it wasn't stressed to him enough.

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ESPN's Adam Schefter has reported that RB Derrius Guice is expected to be sidelined six-to-eight weeks in the likely event that he undergoes surgery to repair his torn meniscus.


Guice is in Florida today to meet with Dr. James Andrews and get a second opinion on his torn meniscus. Schefter noted that, "In the likely event that Guice decides to undergo surgery, he would be expected to be sidelined six to eight weeks." This is a longer timeline than initially thought, as Guice stated he was expected to miss a "few weeks." The Redskins will move forward with Adrian Peterson as their early-down grinder with Chris Thompson taking the majority of snaps on pass downs and in two-minute situations


lol...gotta laugh

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When we drafted Guice I really felt like he would be our workhorse all around back, should have seen this coming the first snap he took in a game tore his acl. SMH

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1229705]When we drafted Guice I really felt like he would be our workhorse all around back, should have seen this coming the first snap he took in a game tore his acl. SMH[/quote]

6th carry but still, he cannot catch a break. I feel for the guy because he has all the talent but dang 3 games a pro with a total of 28 carries and 2 major knee injuries. Sucks for him and us and add RB to our list of needs.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1229607]Funny thing is we have Love sitting on IR with a bad knee. These guys love drafting injury prone players. It's like they think they're getting value in guys cause they fall in the draft. What difference does it make if they're always hurt?[/quote]

They saw what happened with Jaylon Smith, difference is his really was a major freak accident that happened.

Guice can't even get started to show what he can do

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Jay wanted Peterson gone. Front office said no.

It's pretty bad when Bruce Allen makes you look incompetent.

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[quote=Schneed10;1229717]Jay wanted Peterson gone. Front office said no.

It's pretty bad when Bruce Allen makes you look incompetent.[/quote]

Ha...it also kinda stinks when the Front office and Coach cant get on the same page. But AP back is big...but I wouldn't be surprised if CT gets a lot of run.

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Officially a Torn Meniscus

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[quote=Chico23231;1229718]Ha...it also kinda stinks when the Front office and Coach cant get on the same page. But AP back is big...but I wouldn't be surprised if CT gets a lot of run.[/quote]

Yeah we don't lose much if anything. Allen and Guice both happened and it sucks, but they happened at positions of strength/depth for us. We should be able to hold up.

The question is are we any good in the first place. lol

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Sucks but no reason to move on from a guy under a cheap rookie deal for 2 more years after this


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[quote=Schneed10;1229717]Jay wanted Peterson gone. Front office said no.

It's pretty bad when Bruce Allen makes you look incompetent.[/quote]

Where did you see that?

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[quote=Back2RFK;1229727]Where did you see that?[/quote]

The fact he placed him inactive first game confirmed the rumor that there was serious discussions on Jay wanting to cut him after the preseason.

Jay's history of player decisions haven't been good.