Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

Cut Vernon Davis and give Trent a few million per year more. Otherwise, you go into a major rebuilding mode.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=Irrefutable;1224300]Cut Vernon Davis and give Trent a few million per year more. Otherwise, you go into a major rebuilding mode.[/quote]

We should just go into rebuild mode.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

This is pretty shitty and selfish of Trent and his agent for pulling this shit when knowingly that Scherff is up for a contract renewal, the team is in the hole for $20M for Alex Smith. The team put up with his pot suspensions, getting hit in the head with a bottle at bar in Hawaii and his many injuries. The only way to pay Trent and Scherff is to cut Norman, Reid and Davis.

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1224300]Cut Vernon Davis and give Trent a few million per year more. Otherwise, you go into a major rebuilding mode.[/QUOTE]So nobody is actually going to value wins added for next year?

He is already making bank. So you're advocating making him the highest paid OL.

You should at least be able to value what he brings to the team in wins.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1224302]This is pretty shitty and selfish of Trent and his agent for pulling this shit when knowingly that Scherff is up for a contract renewal, the team is in the hole for $20M for Alex Smith. The team put up with his pot suspensions, getting hit in the head with a bottle at bar in Hawaii and his many injuries. The only way to pay Trent and Scherff is to cut Norman, Reid and Davis.[/QUOTE]No he isn't. He is looking out for himself, just like every other smart player and smart owner.

None of that is his fault.

You're talking socialism brah.

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Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

Don’t do a thing as an org. When asked by the outside we simply state we need our team leader back as soon as possible. I would be firm that a trade is not an option. I would tell silverblunt privately at this time we don’t have the flexibility but wait until after next season to see what we can do...can Trent play his first full season in four years?

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1224302]This is pretty shitty and selfish of Trent and his agent for pulling this shit when knowingly that Scherff is up for a contract renewal, the team is in the hole for $20M for Alex Smith. The team put up with his pot suspensions, getting hit in the head with a bottle at bar in Hawaii and his many injuries. The only way to pay Trent and Scherff is to cut Norman, Reid and Davis.[/quote]

Who knows how much Scherff and Williams want? Scherff is not getting more than the top tackles make. And does he want to stay? 14 million a year?

What kind of extension is Trent looking for? Would he accept an incentive-based extension?

There should be enough money. If Smith is a 6/1/20 cut he is just a $10 million dollar hit in 2020 and 2021. This will be Norman, Reed, and Davis last year. Plus there could be a major increase in the cap limit next year.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1224305]Don’t do a thing as an org. When asked by the outside we simply state we need our team leader back as soon as possible. I would be firm that a trade is not an option. I would tell silverblunt privately at this time we don’t have the flexibility but wait until after next season to see what we can do...can Trent play his first full season in four years?[/QUOTE]Total confidence in BA to handle it like a champ. Just like with Kirk!!

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Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

Trent Williams is worth more to us than any other team. We won't get anything in a trade that will be worth it. He is a freaking Skins legend that is still one of the best LTs in the game. Pay the man. He's a lifer.

If we can only do one deal tho, it would suck, but Scherff is more important long term. He is our future Sliverback (anchor).

I don't have faith in the Skins a lot of times, but I think they figure out a way to get both done.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=DYoungJelly;1224304]No he isn't. He is looking out for himself, just like every other smart player and smart owner.

None of that is his fault.

You're talking socialism brah.

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He is “under contract”, I hate it when players pull this strong arm tactics. Honor your fucking contract, you’ll get paid.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1224309]He is “under contract”, I hate it when players pull this strong arm tactics. Honor your fucking contract, you’ll get paid.[/quote]

Totally agree. Hate to say it but handle it like the Patriots do. They'd trade him... Hell they cut a te for not showing up at camp and te is a position of need.. They are a no-nonsense organization. Its a team. If we extend him him we stand a good chance of not being able to resign shereff (sp) and others....

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1224309]He is “under contract”, I hate it when players pull this strong arm tactics. Honor your fucking contract, you’ll get paid.[/quote]

This is his last chance for another good contract. He won't get paid in 2 years.

But I do agree with you about honoring your contract. You thought it was good when you signed it and you did sign it. Tough situation. C'mon Trent and Skins, figure this out.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1224308]Trent Williams is worth more to us than any other team. We won't get anything in a trade that will be worth it. He is a freaking Skins legend that is still one of the best LTs in the game. Pay the man. He's a lifer.



If we can only do one deal tho, it would suck, but Scherff is more important long term. He is our future Sliverback (anchor).



I don't have faith in the Skins a lot of times, but I think they figure out a way to get both done.[/QUOTE]How many wins with him next year, and how many without him?

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Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

All this is over $3.3M more a year.

[url]https://twitter.com/JPFinlayNBCS/status/1136086889310670849[/url]

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1224309]He is “under contract”, I hate it when players pull this strong arm tactics. Honor your fucking contract, you’ll get paid.[/QUOTE]Should the team honor its contract with Norman or cut him a year early?

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1224312]How many wins with him next year, and how many without him?

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7-9

6-8

Hard to put wins on a player in football, but I think he's worth around a win.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1224315]7-9



6-8



Hard to put wins on a player in football, but I think he's worth around a win.[/QUOTE]Then what's the point?

How many games do you think he will actually play the next two seasons after the team pays him top money?

He has missed 13 in the last 3 years.

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Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=DYoungJelly;1224316]Then what's the point?

How many games do you think he will actually play the next two seasons after the team pays him top money?

He has missed 13 in the last 3 years.

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You only play 16, I think being worth a win by yourself is really damn good.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1224317]You only play 16, I think being worth a win by yourself is really damn good.[/QUOTE]It is really good for a non qb.

And it will not matter a bit in 2019.

2020 or 2021 is the earliest it would actually matter and he will be probably be more injured and as another year older recover slower.

I just don't think you break the bank for that.

Just to be candid, back ups for Trent and Moses are equally as important or has been at least.



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Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

First off .. he does not need the wear and tear of mini camp so this may just be a excuse to miss all that.. if it’s truly a holdout over 3 million then the deal will get done.. however it’s time to look to the future and start building around Haskins IF he is to be the franchise QB..I would not break the bank or any crazy contract if he demands that .. 2019 is a huge year for the skins it’s not about the record but we are going to find out do we have a QB, RB , will anybody step up in the receiver dept? .. will gruden keep his job ? With the D looking solid and if Haskins is the real deal there finally could be light at end of a long tunnel.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[QUOTE=rocnrik;1224320]First off .. he does not need the wear and tear of mini camp so this may just be a excuse to miss all that.. if it’s truly a holdout over 3 million then the deal will get done.. however it’s time to look to the future and start building around Haskins IF he is to be the franchise QB..I would not break the bank or any crazy contract if he demands that .. 2019 is a huge year for the skins it’s not about the record but we are going to find out do we have a QB, RB , will anybody step up in the receiver dept? .. will gruden keep his job ? With the D looking solid and if Haskins is the real deal there finally could be light at end of a long tunnel.[/QUOTE]Exactly.

Trent doesnt need to be at these OTAs for training/reps, he knows his job. In fact this lets the team give reps to the backup tackles who need it a lot.

If it really is over money structure it with roster bonuses, they can get that done.

I tend to think it is just an offseason gambit, not a seaon ending threat.

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Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

Don't think be practicing right now anyway as he's recovering from the offseason procedure he had for cancer.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1224302]This is pretty shitty and selfish of Trent and his agent for pulling this shit when knowingly that Scherff is up for a contract renewal, the team is in the hole for $20M for Alex Smith. The team put up with his pot suspensions, getting hit in the head with a bottle at bar in Hawaii and his many injuries. [B]The only way to pay Trent and Scherff is to cut Norman, Reid and Davis[/B].[/quote]

simply not true

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1224302]This is pretty shitty and selfish of Trent and his agent for pulling this shit when knowingly that Scherff is up for a contract renewal, the team is in the hole for $20M for Alex Smith. The team put up with his pot suspensions, getting hit in the head with a bottle at bar in Hawaii and his many injuries. [B]The only way to pay Trent and Scherff is to cut Norman, Reid and Davis[/B].[/quote]

Completely false.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

Extending Brandon Scherff would free up the necessary cap space to give Trent an increase, and the team may still have a lower cap number than it does currently.

I'm not saying they should necessarily give Trent an increase, just making it known that contract mechanics are such that extending Scherff will increase the cap space by more than enough to pay Trent if we chose.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=Schneed10;1224326]Completely false.[/quote]

I love how everyone is so eager to cut JNO lol, I hope he balls out this year to quiet the haters.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

Trent Williams is the best Redskin over the last decade and it's not even close. He is a franchise staple and a top LT in football still today. Andrew Whitworth is 37 and is still a very good starter. Letting Trent go with roughly 4 years of very good level of play at a position so crucial is not a wise decision. When he is out of the game, it is clear as day seeing his impact.

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[quote=Schneed10;1224326]Completely false.[/quote]

Then explain. What happens if Trent wants more guaranteed money upfront, same with Scherff. How is the team gain more cap space? I’m no cap expert and was assuming since you have to pay 2 players a lot money and have barely any cap space.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

A new deal for Scherff will lower his cap # this year significantly. He's currently on the books for $12.5, that could easily be cut that in half for this year.

Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[QUOTE=httr198020;1224259]Let me make something crystal clear for you and the rest of people here. I'm not about to get up in arms about some overrated, overpaid loser like Trent Williams. You can kiss his ass all you want. I'm not going to do it. I've seen this bum jump off sides, get holding calls calls in critical times, get abused mediocre pass rushers, and he's always injured. If he doesn't want to be here then we should let him go. It's bad enough he's nowhere near as good as he gets credit for. But for him to wait till the day of mandatory mini camp show me that he doesn't care about this team or the fans. I say trade this bum right now and lets go full rebuild mode.[/QUOTE]



You are correct about this being disheartening and his injuries. However you are wrong in an absolutely mind numbing way about his play. Dont let your emotions control your posts it makes you look ...well....ignorant as all hell.

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[quote=MTK;1224331]A new deal for Scherff will lower his cap # this year significantly. He's currently on the books for $12.5, that could easily be cut that in half for this year.[/quote]

This article mentions what you just said (towards the end of article). Like i said I’m no cap expert and was assuming.

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/redskins-absolutely-should-and-shouldnt-look-trade-trent-williams[/url]

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

Just tossing out a general question, does anyone feel good about breaking in a rookie QB with anyone other than Trent protecting his blind side?

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=punch it in;1224332]You are correct about this being disheartening and his injuries. However you are wrong in an absolutely mind numbing way about his play. Dont let your emotions control your posts it makes you look ...well....ignorant as all hell.[/quote]
I've seen this bum get abused by Giants LB Vernon every time we played them. TW is average. We need to go full rebuild mode.

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[QUOTE=httr198020;1224335]I've seen this bum get abused by Giants LB Vernon everytime we play them. TW is average.[/QUOTE]



Either you are trolling your own teams fan base or he banged your girlfriend.

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[quote=punch it in;1224336]Either you are trolling your own teams fan base or he banged your girlfriend.[/quote]
You might think he's great but to me he's average. Am I lying about him being abused by Vernon? You on his balls so hard you won't even face reality. Maybe he banged you that is why you're on his dick so hard.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

He's missed 9 games over the last 2 years.. That isn't terrible

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1224338]He's missed 9 games over the last 2 years.. That isn't terrible[/quote]

Missing 9/32 games - 28% - is significant. Even in his current contract, of which he has 2 years remaining, he's still in the top 5 at his position. Hes getting top 5 money when he's only available 72% of the time. If he is getting paid any more than 72% of what the top LT is already making, then he's already overpaid.

Yet he's asking for even more money? No thanks. If he can make it through 2019 without getting hurt, then maybe its worth extending him a couple years. But it would be completely foolish of the team that is already paying 20MM towards a player who isn't going to play this year to commit even more money to a player who will more likely than not miss significant time this year.

Those who voted for the Redskins to give TW more money are not being realistic. They are allowing their fond memories of TW in his prime to color their judgment on what the team should do now.

If a team is foolish enough to make us an offer we can't refuse, then we should take it. Otherwise, don't negotiate with him. Make him play on his current contract this year. If he stays healthy, then great. He's earned a new contract. If not, then just let him play out his contract and let him walk in 2022

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[quote=MTK;1224334]Just tossing out a general question, does anyone feel good about breaking in a rookie QB with anyone other than Trent protecting his blind side?[/quote]

No. which is why its good we have him under contract for 2 more years. also, given trents missed significant time the past few years, he'll likely not be protecting our rookie QBs blindside atleast 4-5 games this year, regardless of whether we give him a new contract or not.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

This is so tough for me because TW has played hurt, generally kept his mouth shut, and played like a beast for years.

On the other hand, he's another 4:20 break away from a year long suspension because of past transgressions.

Personally, I do the middle ground. Restructure to throw a few extra bucks his way for being a good soldier over the years, but no way in hell do I give him a new contract. I was really hoping TW would just ride off into the sunset as a Skin, but here we are. He DOES have us over a barrel with Christian (and GOD FORBID Flowers) looming, but hey, every game check you miss, let's see how you feel then.

Don't want to establish that precedent.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

Even with a Down year he was 15th in pass blocking grades, only allowed 1 sack folks. 1 all year. [IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190605/d25c2ba3b4cae5b81e31e40fb6cdaf0e.jpg[/IMG]

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