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[quote=Chico23231;1217843]people still defending RG3 as a good QB....the bottomline, the trade and pick which Bruce is the decision maker was one of the top all time bust. The trade itself was a top retard move...set the franchise back move. RG3 never did shit after the gimmick offense was uninstalled...give Shanny and son credit, the scheme was good for a year. RG3 is and always will be a terrible bust. [/quote]

RG3 was a good pick at the time (trading up for him, not so much). We could have built off his successful rookie campaign were it not for the factors I mentioned. We will never know, but, had he been drafted by a non-dysfunctional franchise that did not enable his diva-personality, I think he could have had a decent career

[quote]Defend the McNabb Trade and Contract next?[/quote]
No - I was speaking of the more recent moves. The McNabb trade was horrible at the time and turned out exactly like we all expected it to.

[quote]The handling of Cousins was god awful. Could have signed him to a cheap deal.... refused. Instead of trading him when value was max...let him walk with an end of the round 3rd round pick. Basically a 4th round pick folks.[/quote] Did you not read the very post you were responding to? I specifically limited my comments to [B]acquiring[/B] the quarterbacks... not subsequent mismanagement of them.

[quote]Never drafting a competent young QB to learn under Cousins while you never intended to seriously sign.[/quote] Nate Sudfeld?

[quote]The 3rd god aweful trade, this time for an Alex Smith who was coming off career best year...while also having the top NFL rushing attack with K Hunt. NOT ONLY trading for him, but quickly signing him for a long term deal...INSTEAD of waiting to see how he performed in Jays system. Which the apologist now conveniently claim...this wasn't his fault, it just wasn't a fit. BULLSHIT. [/quote]
who is saying it wasn't a fit? Smith was in his first year in a new system and playing mistake free football before he got hurt. He wasn't lighting it up, but, as you reference, he certainly wasn't surrounded by the talent (healthy) that he had in KC. For the money, had Smith stayed healthy and not suffered a freak injury, we got him to a great contract. His injury along with your (justifiable) hatred of Allen provides you an excellent reason to criticize the move in retrospect, but no one can predict this sort of injury. Its a risk that is taken with ALL contracts.

Had Smith played well, and he had not gotten hurt, you would be BASHING the skins right now for NOT having the foresight to sign him to an extension now as we'd be playing the tag game with him just like we had been with Cousins.

[quote=]Bruce Allen has a history of fucking up the QB position period.[/quote]
I agree - his management of the position has been terrible. In fact, pretty much EVERYTHING under his tenure has been terrible. But the team [B]has[/B] acquired a number of good QBs during his tenure. To deny that is simply to ignore evidence that doesn't fit your preferred narrative.

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RGIII could have had a great career if a bunch of other things happened. If he knew how to slide and avoid hits. If he never had that knee injury. If he was coachable. If the owner didn't empower him to the point where he thought he ran the show. There are still elements of that so called gimmick offense all around the league. Mike still says today if they had more time to gradually develop him it could have worked.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1217849]Yeah 2012 was good but what we were doing was not sustainable. [B]Even when we clinched against Dallas RG3 had like 100 yards passing.[/B] You don't win in the NFL doing that. And when Cousins played in Clev and Kyle ran a pro offense that day, that is really where it all went downhill.

I look at the Ravens and the same thing is going to happen to them. Jackson is going to get hurt, he'll never graduate to an NFL passer and it will flame out.[/quote]

He was also on one knee at that point and the run threat was gone.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1217851]RG3 was a good pick at the time (trading up for him, not so much). We could have built off his successful rookie campaign were it not for the factors I mentioned. We will never know, but, had he been drafted by a non-dysfunctional franchise that did not enable his diva-personality, I think he could have had a decent career


No - I was speaking of the more recent moves. The McNabb trade was horrible at the time and turned out exactly like we all expected it to.

Did you not read the very post you were responding to? I specifically limited my comments to [B]acquiring[/B] the quarterbacks... not subsequent mismanagement of them.

Nate Sudfeld?


who is saying it wasn't a fit? Smith was in his first year in a new system and playing mistake free football before he got hurt. He wasn't lighting it up, but, as you reference, he certainly wasn't surrounded by the talent (healthy) that he had in KC. For the money, had Smith stayed healthy and not suffered a freak injury, we got him to a great contract. His injury along with your (justifiable) hatred of Allen provides you an excellent reason to criticize the move in retrospect, but no one can predict this sort of injury. Its a risk that is taken with ALL contracts.

Had Smith played well, and he had not gotten hurt, you would be BASHING the skins right now for NOT having the foresight to sign him to an extension now as we'd be playing the tag game with him just like we had been with Cousins.


I agree - his management of the position has been terrible. In fact, pretty much EVERYTHING under his tenure has been terrible. But the team [B]has[/B] acquired a number of good QBs during his tenure. To deny that is simply to ignore evidence that doesn't fit your preferred narrative.[/quote]


Good god, the RG3 apologist are amazing...RG3 would not have been a bust but we will never know? RG3 recovered from his injury and was garbage, we know that because we got rid of him. He was a bust...he was never good...it was a terrible trade and pick period. Continue to believe in hypothetical..."what ifs" don't fucking matter in real life.

Yes McNabb was horrible at the time, which is part of the track record of Bruce. YES it matters.

So as a GM, managing the rosters of QB is off the table of Bruce Allen responsibilities? Really? Your going with this excuse? Horseshit

Nate Sudfeld, Pick 187 in Round 6th...your answer for drafting a QB to groom. First, a terrible pick. Second, Bruce probably gives more thought to scratching his balls than evaluating a sixth round QB pick. Its not a serious prospect to groom to replacement Cousins NOR Colt.

Many Alex Apologist say 'well Alex really didn't fit Jay scheme' to explain the very average, unimpressive performance in his first year. And no I wouldn't be bashing...Ive been bashing the trade and extension from day 1 because I fucking seen this story before with Bruce called "McNabb".

The decision makers at the QB positions have been garbage. That's why until Bruce is gone...I have zero faith in this FO to get it right at the most important position on the field.

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[quote=Chico23231;1217855]Good god, the RG3 apologist are amazing...RG3 would not have been a bust but we will never know? RG3 recovered from his injury and was garbage, we know that because we got rid of him. He was a bust...he was never good...it was a terrible trade and pick period. Continue to believe in hypothetical..."what ifs" don't fucking matter in real life.

Yes McNabb was horrible at the time, which is part of the track record of Bruce. YES it matters.

So as a GM, managing the rosters of QB is off the table of Bruce Allen responsibilities? Really? Your going with this excuse? Horseshit

Nate Sudfeld, Pick 187 in Round 6th...your answer for drafting a QB to groom. First, a terrible pick. Second, Bruce probably gives more thought to scratching his balls than evaluating a sixth round QB pick. Its not a serious prospect to groom to replacement Cousins NOR Colt.

Many Alex Apologist say 'well Alex really didn't fit Jay scheme' to explain the very average, unimpressive performance in his first year. And no I wouldn't be bashing...Ive been bashing the trade and extension from day 1 because I fucking seen this story before with Bruce called "McNabb".

The decision makers at the QB positions have been garbage. That's why until Bruce is gone...I have zero faith in this FO to get it right at the most important position on the field.[/quote]

You simply aren't reading my comments, which were limited to evaluating the talent of the QBs we brought to the team. IMO we have a track record of bringing in good talent at the QB position since Allen has been here (although most of the credit for this goes to guys like Klye Smith, Eric Santos, Dough Williams, etc.). They've brought in very good guys before, so I have no doubt they would draft a good QB this year. I'm not worried about THAT.

I'm worried about what happens AFTER that. The dysfunction that surrounds Bruce and Jay will more likely than not ruin things with the new QB like they ruined RG3 and Cousins. And if we clean house after 2019, the new coach will be stuck with a guy he didn't draft.

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The only good talent we brought in was Cousins...the guy Shanny and Son wanted. The guy Bruce/Dan hated. The one Bruce refused to signed to a deal at 19 mil per...the one who Bruce never was going to extend long term and refused to trade when we had the chance...the one who actually performed well...check the stats.

McNabb sucked, RG3 sucked, Nate Sudfuck sucked, and

Alex Smith....who played at avg level at best, certainly not worth the trade and certainly not what he was paid. Alex was propped up by a great RB and playmakers...KC got rid of him and woulda gone to the SB if it wasn't for Dee Ford. He wasn't worth a shit to KC. His stats and performance this year was a disappointment. His QBR was terrible

Remember all the trades and wasted money with these guys. We gave up much more than we every got with performance...and that cant be argued.

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[quote=Chico23231;1217857]The only good talent we brought in was Cousins...the guy Shanny and Son wanted. The guy Bruce/Dan hated. The one Bruce refused to signed to a deal at 19 mil per...the one who Bruce never was going to extend long term and refused to trade when we had the chance...the one who actually performed well...check the stats.

McNabb sucked, RG3 sucked, Nate Sudfuck sucked, and

Alex Smith....who played at avg level at best, certainly not worth the trade and certainly not what he was paid. Alex was propped up by a great RB and playmakers...KC got rid of him and woulda gone to the SB if it wasn't for Dee Ford. He wasn't worth a shit to KC. His stats and performance this year was a disappointment. His QBR was terrible

Remember all the trades and wasted money with these guys. We gave up much more than we every got with performance...and that cant be argued.[/quote]

Historically the Redskins are not good at QB Talent Evaluations, Rypien was ok and Joe T was good but other than that Kirk Cousins was on pace to being the greatest Redskins QB ever lol.

Browns
Bears
Jets (besides Namath)
Redskins

That's about as bad as it gets with QB's historically.

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Cousins Graded out about the same as he always does, around 70. It's average in the NFL.

A brief write up from our team at PFF

Cousins' season can be summed up much like his previous years in
Washington: He can move the offense with well-designed passing concepts
that keep him in rhythm in games where his offense has the upper hand,but
he fails to make the tough plays required to get the job done in key games and
moments. There was some really good to Cousins'game,as he was under
duress as much as any QB in the NFL yet continued to find completions,but
the missing factors and lack of extending and creating plays on his own were
a detriment to the offense as the season wore on.

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Yeah haven't seen much talent come in under Bruce at the qb position.... At all. Have to agree with Chico there. And Nate sudfled is not a viable answer at all, no.

Place is a shit show, I don't know if it will ever stop.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1217859]Historically the Redskins are not good at QB Talent Evaluations, Rypien was ok and Joe T was good but other than that Kirk Cousins was on pace to being the greatest Redskins QB ever lol.

Browns
Bears
Jets (besides Namath)
Redskins

That's about as bad as it gets with QB's historically.[/quote]

IDK, I always thought Doug Williams was a good QB for the Skins.

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Yea I saw how good Cousins was when surrounded by a good team and coaches ... oh wait he put up great stats and missed playoffs .. that turnover thingy he has is still with him.. the jury is still out about Cousins as far as winning BIG games..! For the record I don’t agree how his situation was handled here but I’m not sold he was ever going to be the guy to carry this team on his back..

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[quote=rocnrik;1217865]Yea I saw how good Cousins was when surrounded by a good team and coaches ... oh wait he put up great stats and missed playoffs .. that turnover thingy he has is still with him.. the jury is still out about Cousins as far as winning BIG games..! For the record I don’t agree how his situation was handled here but I’m not sold he was ever going to be the guy to carry this team on his back..[/quote]

being a good QB doesn't mean being able to carry a team on their back. There are only a couple of guys in the NFL which can do that consistently. Guys like that are rare. If that's what you're standard is, youre always going to be disappointed. Cousins was, and still is, in the top half of starting QBs in the league. He's not ELITE. Hes not GREAT. But he is GOOD.

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I agree with you ! However he didn’t want good QB money he wanted to be paid like an elite QB .. what sucks is we could have had him earlier for reasonable money .. but the powers that be Screwed all that up. And here we are with no QB for the future..

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He got paid what he did because that is the going rate for qbs that can do what they do when they get to free agency. It all goes back to FO mismanagement

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1217864]IDK, I always thought Doug Williams was a good QB for the Skins.[/quote]

Yeah but he wasn't drafted by the skins

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1217864]IDK, I always thought Doug Williams was a good QB for the Skins.[/quote]

He was a back up in Washington. His claim to fame is coming off the bench to help blow out Denver 42-10 in the 1987 Super Bowl while putting up big numbers. You could kind of call him a one hit wonder, that one game endears him to a lot of Redskin fans.
The rest of his career was below average compared to his peers.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1217896]He was a back up in Washington. His claim to fame is coming off the bench to help blow out Denver 42-10 in the 1987 Super Bowl while putting up big numbers. You could kind of call him a one hit wonder, that one game endears him to a lot of Redskin fans.
The rest of his career was below average compared to his peers.[/quote]

He was basically Nick Foles but not as good

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1217883]He got paid what he did because that is the going rate for qbs that can do what they do when they get to free agency. It all goes back to FO mismanagement[/quote]

Edit: NVM. I don't wanna keep going down the Cousins road.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1217893]Yeah but he wasn't drafted by the skins[/quote]

Sammy Baugh is the only franchise QB the skins have drafted. That was a while ago....

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[quote=sevier2;1217898]Edit: NVM. I don't wanna keep going down the Cousins road.[/quote]

This is probably for the best, but I still can't believe some of the arguments here about that. But moving on.

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[quote=Kope;1217901]Sammy Baugh is the only franchise QB the skins have drafted. That was a while ago....[/quote]

....and to think the Redskins had a chance to draft Rusell Wilson in the 2nd round of the 2012 nfl draft...and he ended up being a 3rd round pick....imagine if the Redskins would have not drafted RG3 and kept all those picks and drafted Wilson the 2nd round.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1217912]....and to think the Redskins had a chance to draft Rusell Wilson in the 2nd round of the 2012 nfl draft...and he ended up being a 3rd round pick....imagine if the Redskins would have not drafted RG3 and kept all those picks and drafted Wilson the 2nd round.[/quote]

Imagine if the Redskins had drafted Brett Favruh too, we coulda won many championships by now!

Don't mean to rag on you R4E, but imagining what-if's and could've beens for the Skins is the 9th level of football hell for me.

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I don't care if we drafted them or picked them up from other teams, but I remember we had good QBs in the day. Someone got the ball to Charley Taylor and Art Monk, both of whom retired with the highest catch total in the history of the NFL.
I.e.,
nobody's mentioned Sonny in their "we've never had good QBs". (Never that much into Billy.)

And our near miss was Marino, who (maybe it was) Casserley? thought was the "perfect pick", but got picked up 27th by Miami before we got our pick (Darrell Green.) So that was good scouting, but possibly a "little while" ago.

From what I've read, drafting QBs (and receivers) is a crap shoot, whereas picking one up as a free agent is much more reliable (although more expensive.)

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[QUOTE=mike340;1217934]I don't care if we drafted them or picked them up from other teams, but I remember we had good QBs in the day. Someone got the ball to Charley Taylor and Art Monk, both of whom retired with the highest catch total in the history of the NFL.

I.e.,

nobody's mentioned Sonny in their "we've never had good QBs". (Never that much into Billy.)



And our near miss was Marino, who (maybe it was) Casserley? thought was the "perfect pick", but got picked up 27th by Miami before we got our pick (Darrell Green.) So that was good scouting, but possibly a "little while" ago.



From what I've read, drafting QBs (and receivers) is a crap shoot, whereas picking one up as a free agent is much more reliable (although more expensive.)[/QUOTE]



I remember reading the reason the Dolphins took Marino was because we exposed Strock or Woodley - whoever the younger one was i forget - so bad in the Superbowl. It was indirectly our fault that we missed out on him.
As for our great quarterbacks i think the hogs and Riggo and all that other talent made them great. Damn it almost hurts to remember how freakin good we were than. Fuckin Snyder.
Also i think it was Beathard. Casserly got there in 89.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1217896]He was a back up in Washington. His claim to fame is coming off the bench to help blow out Denver 42-10 in the 1987 Super Bowl while putting up big numbers. You could kind of call him a one hit wonder, that one game endears him to a lot of Redskin fans.

The rest of his career was below average compared to his peers.[/QUOTE]



Didn’t Williams start in the Superbowl? I think jay got hurt in the championship game.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1217938]I remember reading the reason the Dolphins took Marino was because we exposed Strock or Woodley - whoever the younger one was i forget - so bad in the Superbowl. It was indirectly our fault that we missed out on him.
As for our great quarterbacks i think the hogs and Riggo and all that other talent made them great. Damn it almost hurts to remember how freakin good we were than. Fuckin Snyder.
Also i think it was Beathard. Casserly got there in 89.[/QUOTE]Yes...according to a documentary that I saw, believe it or not Dave Woodley's failure in Super Bowl 17 actually shattered his confidence and he wasn't the same quarterback the next year.

Unfortunately Dave Woodley began as a slow spiral down [emoji116]

[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Woodley?wprov=sfla1[/URL]

And Yes...David Woodley's demise lead to the Dolphins drafting Dan Marino.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1217939]Didn’t Williams start in the Superbowl? I think jay got hurt in the championship game.[/QUOTE]Doug Williams was the Starter in Super Bowl 22!

Doug had taken over the starting quarterback job from Jay Schrader before the playoffs started.

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[quote=kct1975;1217948]Doug Williams was the Starter in Super Bowl 22!

Doug had taken over the starting quarterback job from Jay Schrader before the playoffs started.

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Incorrect, look it up. I remember the game very clearly. Schroeder started and was injured getting sacked. Schroeder only threw one pass and then was sacked and out of the game. Schroeder was injured on and off that whole year, did miss the first two play-off games, but did start the Super Bowl, just look at the box score.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1217949]Incorrect, look it up. I remember the game very clearly. Schroeder started and was injured getting sacked. Schroeder only threw one pass and then was sacked and out of the game. Schroeder was injured on and off that whole year, did miss the first two play-off games, but did start the Super Bowl, just look at the box score.[/quote]

[URL="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/198801310den.htm#all_vis_starters"]Williams started the game[/URL]

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1217949]Incorrect, look it up. I remember the game very clearly. Schroeder started and was injured getting sacked. Schroeder only threw one pass and then was sacked and out of the game. Schroeder was injured on and off that whole year, did miss the first two play-off games, but did start the Super Bowl, just look at the box score.[/QUOTE]
I just looked it up and according to the Offical Pro Football [emoji458] Hall of Fame website, Doug Williams was the Starter for the Redskins in Super Bowl 22.

[URL]https://www.profootballhof.com/news/super-bowl-starting-qbs/[/URL][IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190126/6c84dc97959ff4acfcd4067910fad850.jpg[/IMG]

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[QUOTE=MTK;1217955][URL="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/198801310den.htm#all_vis_starters"]Williams started the game[/URL][/QUOTE]

Thank you for Having My Back! [emoji106]

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Doug started the entire playoffs in 87, and started a few games during the regular season too. Jay S. was so hot and cold. He was benched for good in the season finale against the Vikings when Doug came off the bench and helped win that game. What a weird season that was w/ the strike and the replacement games.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1217973]Doug started the entire playoffs in 87, and started a few games during the regular season too. Jay S. was so hot and cold. He was benched for good in the season finale against the Vikings when Doug came off the bench and helped win that game. What a weird season that was w/ the strike and the replacement games.[/QUOTE]Thanks [emoji106] for Confirming My Memories of the 1987-1988 Season!

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Doug Williams took over the starting QB job after Jay Schroader was playing poorly the last game of the season against Minnesota....the Redskins played from behind and Doug Williams lead the Redskins to a win....afterwards the starting QB job was given to Doug and he started every game in the playoffs, including SB 22.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1217949]Incorrect, look it up. I remember the game very clearly. Schroeder started and was injured getting sacked. Schroeder only threw one pass and then was sacked and out of the game. Schroeder was injured on and off that whole year, did miss the first two play-off games, but did start the Super Bowl, just look at the box score.[/quote]

Nope.

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Here is the game link from ProFootball Reference
[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/198801310den.htm#all_pbp[/url]

Schroeder came in for two plays in the first quarter (I guess DW got knocked down)

1st qtr 2:05 1 10 WAS 35 Doug Williams sacked by Daryll Jones for -10 yards
1st 1:43 2 20 WAS 25 Jay Schroeder sacked by Karl Mecklenburg for -8 yards
1st 1:21 3 28 WAS 17 Jay Schroeder pass incomplete intended for Kelvin Bryant
1st 0:59 4 28 WAS 17 Steve Cox punts 39 yards

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1218292]Here is the game link from ProFootball Reference
[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/198801310den.htm#all_pbp[/url]

Schroeder came in for two plays in the first quarter (I guess DW got knocked down)

1st qtr 2:05 1 10 WAS 35 Doug Williams sacked by Daryll Jones for -10 yards
1st 1:43 2 20 WAS 25 Jay Schroeder sacked by Karl Mecklenburg for -8 yards
1st 1:21 3 28 WAS 17 Jay Schroeder pass incomplete intended for Kelvin Bryant
1st 0:59 4 28 WAS 17 Steve Cox punts 39 yards[/quote]

Yes this is correct. Doug started the game - he was coming into it with a sprained knee. On that sack it bothered him and he came out. Schroeder came in and struggled. Then the first quarter ended, and the most memorable 2nd quarter in Redskins history started, with Doug back on the field.

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For those who want to relive, here is the game in its entirety. For younger fans who may not have seen this, it's a good watch. Should give you a little much needed pride in the franchise.

[YT]vqxTj4aWToE[/YT]

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I just watched it. It was a non-contact slip. He wrenched his knee as his foot when out when he dropped back on 1st and 10. Schroeder came in for two plays. Then Doug came back and lit it up.

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[quote=Schneed10;1218298]I just watched it. It was a non-contact slip. He wrenched his knee as his foot when out when he dropped back on 1st and 10. Schroeder came in for two plays. Then Doug came back and lit it up.[/quote]

I've always thought skins lucked out big time on that play and I never hear mention of it{but I'm sure theres still pissed off Bronco fans about it!}But Williams just gives that ball up when he wrenches his knee and a Bronco recovers it,should have been Broncos ball IMO