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Oh, we're good at punter too.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1213730]The only thing we are good on next year is left tackle, right guard, rb, and interior d line.

We need everything else. Hamilton did ball out at ilb but we still need another.

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LT- yes if TW stays healthy
RG- yes
RB- AP is a Free agent- and probably wants $$$$$- Guice ?
DL- Ok

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[quote=chico23231;1213632]from the article:



“the report also says one of the victims claimed the altercation occurred after the "suspects pulled up in a vehicle and honked the horn at them."







you know what, fuck that, im gonna keep it real.[/quote]



lmao

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[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;1213648]How much does being deprived of his starting role and having his playing time reduced factor into his current attitude and mindset? Maybe he was only acting out....he wasn't in this situation as a rookie.[/QUOTE]



I know often when I am pissed off about something I tell my wife “come on lets go fuck some other couple up for no reason “. Wait. No I don’t. Not now. Not ten years ago. Not 20 years ago. Never. Acting out is punching a wall. Not another human being. That takes it from “acting out” to assault. And if he thought that was a good way to get back into a starting role he really really miscalculated. No matter where the behavior came from it should have stayed there. He obviously has issues, and now is nothing more than a liability. But as someone else said with Gruden around he probably wont get even a talking to.

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After seeing that video, I believe Nicholson is certain to be suspended by the NFL office. Adios Montae!

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The video is not what shocks me most. Not saying I'm fine with it, I can understand not being able to stop once you've snapped out of your mind, especially if you're drunk. While unacceptable, that kind of shit happens when drunk people get into arguments.

What is beyond unacceptable IMO is getting drunk during the season. For 2 reason:

1) Obviously, this can lead to this kind of shit, and that'll get you suspended.

2) Your body is not 100 % if you get shitfaced. You're a professional athlete, you're paid to do everything in your power to perform at the highest level. Physical preparation is a part of that. Alimentation is a huge factor in the later. Being a regular Joe and feeling like you've fully recovered from your Sunday hangover on Monday is one thing. But being a pro athlete and think that putting a large amount of alcohol into your body is not going to be a huge step back as far as your physical form is concerned is as stupid as it gets IMO.

Any semi pro or even high level amateur in any sports knows what I'm talking about.

Heck, even if you lift weight twice a week, try drinking 4 beers the night before one of your workouts and compare your performance to one where you haven't drunk for several days before.

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IMO the real moral of this story is to be careful who you pick a fight with because they could be an NFL player who will beat your ass into the ground or worse yet have a gun and blow you away. Just walk away because you aren't as tough as you think you are.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1213741]
2) Your body is not 100 % if you get shitfaced.[/quote]

Unless your name is Max McGee. Not sure if the younger generation knows of his big game in the first Super Bowl playing with a bad hangover.

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French, man I like you and all, but that comment is pretty naïve.

Not saying all the best players are partying every chance they get, but it's fairly common for players to go out partying during the season. On a Monday night when you have the next day off, I'm sure there are quite a few players staying out. It's not even unheard of to see pictures or hear stories about players partying on Friday or Saturday nights before games.

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[quote=irish;1213743]IMO the real moral of this story is to be careful who you pick a fight with because [B]they could be an NFL player who will beat your ass into the ground[/B] or worse yet have a gun and blow you away. Just walk away because you aren't as tough as you think you are.[/quote]

Montae had way more to lose. Not only a criminal suit but a potential civil suit could result as well. He could kiss goodbye to a few duckets

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1213762]Montae had way more to lose. Not only a criminal suit but a potential civil suit could result as well. He could kiss goodbye to a few duckets[/quote]

I would be shocked if there wasn't a civil suit, pretty sure when it was found the victim was beat up by an NFL player the lawyers followed the ambulance to the hospital.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1213747]Unless your name is Max McGee. Not sure if the younger generation knows of his big game in the first Super Bowl playing with a bad hangover.[/QUOTE]I hear you but that's a different era. Strength and conditioning was not nearly as important as it was today... wasn't it a different sport ?

Like it or not, getting and keeping your body football ready is a big part of this sport. I know Montae is not the only player in the league to party during the season, but when you look at guys like Tom Brady having his own personal trainer who is known for studying the importance of a good diet, and other players wanting to work with the same guy... don't you think his advices about nutrition involve not getting shitfaced during the season?

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[quote=mooby;1213753]French, man I like you and all, but that comment is pretty naïve.

Not saying all the best players are partying every chance they get, but it's fairly common for players to go out partying during the season. [B]On a Monday night when you have the next day off, I'm sure there are quite a few players staying out.[/B] It's not even unheard of to see pictures or hear stories about players partying on Friday or Saturday nights before games.[/quote]

Oh yeah I absolutely know that... but I still think it's absurd ! Well not staying out but drinking a lot of alcohol...

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1213747]Unless your name is Max McGee. Not sure if the younger generation knows of his big game in the first Super Bowl playing with a bad hangover.[/quote]


[quote=FrenchSkin;1213766]I hear you but that's a different era. Strength and conditioning was not nearly as important as it was today... wasn't it a different sport ?

Like it or not, getting and keeping your body football ready is a big part of this sport. I know Montae is not the only player in the league to party during the season, but when you look at guys like Tom Brady having his own personal trainer who is known for studying the importance of a good diet, and other players wanting to work with the same guy... don't you think his advices about nutrition involve not getting shitfaced during the season?

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No argument from me. I just think the Max McGee story is amusing. Of course alcohol consumption has zero benefits and can only hurt physical performance. As with any drug it will hurt some more than others. The negative effects seem to exponentially become worse as a person ages.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1213768]No argument from me. I just think the Max McGee story is amusing. Of course alcohol consumption has zero benefits and can only hurt physical performance. As with any drug it will hurt some more than others. The negative effects seem to exponentially become worse as a person ages.[/QUOTE]It definitely is. I also think it's a sign that there's was a time were physical performance was not as important in sports as it is today, and that was certainly a good thing, but as sports evolve and generate more and more of money, I don't see how this evolution can be avoided.

Rugby was way more entertaining to watch when my father watched it than now. But I think the rules of Football prevent it from turning boring because of professionalism like Rugby did.

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I think Brady is the exception to the rule when it comes to training and diet. Especially when it comes to the younger players I'd guess a good majority of them drink and smoke regularly. You're talking about young guys with $$ in a high stress profession, not only high stress but high pain.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1213769]It definitely is. I[B] also think it's a sign that there's was a time were physical performance was not as important in sports as it is today,[/B] and that was certainly a good thing, but as sports evolve and generate more and more of money, I don't see how this evolution can be avoided.

Rugby was way more entertaining to watch when my father watched it than now. But I think the rules of Football prevent it from turning boring because of professionalism like Rugby did.

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I think there are exceptions to the physical rules with receivers in the NFL. You have seen quite a few guys with amazing measurables amount to nothing, then you have guys who lack size and speed but somehow manage to get open and have very sure hands.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1213772]I think there are exceptions to the physical rules with receivers in the NFL. You have seen quite a few guys with amazing measurables amount to nothing, then you have guys who lack size and speed but somehow manage to get open and have very sure hands.[/QUOTE]100% right, and this is part of what makes football such a special sport!

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[QUOTE=MTK;1213770]I think Brady is the exception to the rule when it comes to training and diet. Especially when it comes to the younger players I'd guess a good majority of them drink and smoke regularly. You're talking about young guys with $$ in a high stress profession, not only high stress but high pain.[/QUOTE]A lot of things I've read and heard make me think you're right, but I have to admit it still amazes me...

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Nicholson should have been at home watching tape of the next opponent....this is some shit you do in the offseason...even still he would have been violating the conduct policy....if he would have had a few drinks within the confines of his own living room the incident doesn't happen..Montae is an NFL player...he can't be getting inebriated in public places.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1213805]Nicholson should have been at home watching tape of the next opponent....this is some shit you do in the offseason...even still he would have been violating the conduct policy....if he would have had a few drinks within the confines of his own living room the incident doesn't happen..Montae is an NFL player...he can't be getting inebriated in public places.[/quote]

meh...he can be fucked up, having a good time, be a mess....just be cool, not aggressive and call an Uber.

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You know,

I think I know what the Redskins need. They need to bring the 5 o'clock club back. Screw the rules on no alcohol at the club facility. Clear out a building and let the players go back there and have their drinks, bond with their teammates, do whatever it is they need to do and get it out of their system. That is what is missing.

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[quote=metalskins;1213870]You know,

I think I know what the Redskins need. They need to bring the 5 o'clock club back. Screw the rules on no alcohol at the club facility. Clear out a building and let the players go back there and have their drinks, bond with their teammates, do whatever it is they need to do and get it out of their system. That is what is missing.[/quote]

I think a big issue there would be players leaving the designated building being wasted, and either go out and get in a DUI accident, or go out and end up getting in an incident while drunk, under the influence, etc...

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[URL="https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/12/22/washingtons-montae-nicholson-had-previously-unreported-dui/"]Nicholson had previously unreported DUI[/URL]

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[QUOTE=MTK;1213876][URL="https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/12/22/washingtons-montae-nicholson-had-previously-unreported-dui/"]Nicholson had previously unreported DUI[/URL][/QUOTE]Sounds like the team may have known Nicholson was in trouble and it needed another safety hence the HHD trade

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I will not be surprised if more gets unearthed. Facing criminal charges they will search for more instances of a&b and substance abuse to bolster the case

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[quote=MTK;1213876][URL="https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/12/22/washingtons-montae-nicholson-had-previously-unreported-dui/"]Nicholson had previously unreported DUI[/URL][/quote]

This is the Definition of stupid: not learning from your past mistakes that can cause to loose your very lucrative career. I guess being cool and a thug is more important. Street cred?

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This thread and the entire situation is so hypocritical.

The mob wants Monte (23 years old) to lose his job because of what he did.

When and if he is convicted and goes in front of a judge he will be ordered to seek gainful employment.

Will the same mob be there to protest his next employer? Should he be forever unemployable, branded with a scarlet a&b?

Is the source of the outrage really that his off field behavior might affect his availability for our favorite team on game day?

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No shit, I will keep what I really think to the off topic thread but it's bullshit that some people want this guy to lose everything or hold him to higher standards than the typical person.
It's kinda odd considering there zero outrage with the news about the Redskins Beer Shed in the 80s.
Riggins, Butz, and Jacoby drove drunk after every practice but I'm sure they are still fan favorites.

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I’m hoping it’s a wake up call for Montae...I don’t think he should be cut, but the nfl has gone out of its way to provide services to these guys. At some point he has to take responsibility for his action...be a man at least. Sounds like he owes a lot of folks an apology...I’m not hearing anything.

Also, I’m hoping the Leadership takes an active role with Montae.

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[quote=metalskins;1213870]You know,

I think I know what the Redskins need. They need to bring the 5 o'clock club back. Screw the rules on no alcohol at the club facility. Clear out a building and let the players go back there and have their drinks, bond with their teammates, do whatever it is they need to do and get it out of their system. That is what is missing.[/quote]

That simply could not happen in today's NFL. No way. Someone would take a picture of it and it would be on every web site and all over social media. Half the shit that happened in the old days rarely got reported.

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[quote=jamf;1213882]No shit, I will keep what I really think to the off topic thread but it's bullshit that some people want this guy to lose everything or hold him to higher standards than the typical person.
It's kinda odd considering there zero outrage with the news about the Redskins [B]Beer Shed in the 80s.
Riggins, Butz, and Jacoby drove drunk after every practice but I'm sure they are still fan favorites.[/B][/quote]

Well they won championships...that’s why they are fan favorites and legends

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[quote=Chico23231;1213885]Well they won championships...that’s why they are fan favorites and legends[/quote]

This is correct and to add to this there weren’t cell phones back then documenting everything. Also, I’m sure local PD had their backs as well.

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Anecdote from my youth which conveniently applies to this situation.

I worked with two interesting people in a natural resource industry out of high school.

1st guy had robbed a dairy queen and was a generally bad person but was a brute laborer who worked really hard when he was on the clock.

2nd guy was a drunk who would work several months to get enough money to drink on for a while and stop showing up. He was not dependable but was more skilled than anyone at running the main machine which mined the resource, he made the company tons of money when there so they kept bringing him back.

Both of these a holes weren't role models but nobody would say they shouldn't work and support themselves.

If an employer wants to hire or fire someone then fine.

But this is a lynch mob full of virtue signalling, pearl clutching, hypocrites.


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[quote=jamf;1213882]No shit, I will keep what I really think to the off topic thread but it's bullshit that some people want this guy to lose everything or hold him to higher standards than the typical person.
It's kinda odd considering there zero outrage with the news about the Redskins Beer Shed in the 80s.
[B]Riggins, Butz, and Jacoby drove drunk after every practice but I'm sure they are still fan favorites.[/B][/quote]

Did any of those guys stop and beat the crap out of someone who was not fighting back?

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1213890]Did any of those guys stop and beat the crap out of someone who was not fighting back?[/QUOTE]So what's the remedy and why?

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1213891]So what's the remedy and why?

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My point was is you appeared to be comparing driving after drinking of a few Redskins from the glory days to committing assault and battery against someone who was extremely over matched. There were plenty of stories going around about John Riggins embarrassing himself while drunk, none of those stories referenced him viciously beating someone.

As far as repercussions, whether fair or not some people in different lines of work are held to different standards. The more popular you are whether it be an athlete, politician or movie star misbehavior will be more career damaging than for the average Joe. I do believe the NFL policy on smoking marijuana needs to go. I don't smoke, only tried it in college a couple times, it definitely is not as dangerous as alcohol. The fact someone like Josh Gordon is probably getting a lifetime ban for smoking pot is a joke.

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[quote=irish;1213743]IMO the real moral of this story is to be careful who you pick a fight with because they could be an NFL player who will beat your ass into the ground or worse yet have a gun and blow you away. Just walk away because you aren't as tough as you think you are.[/quote]

Whats it got to do with being an NFL player? I work with guys every day who would eat your average NFL player for a snack. No question. 100% trained fighters. People equate being in the NFL with being able to fight / be tough, etc. Montae looked OK against what was obviously an untrained / drunk guy who had no clue what to do fight wise.

And a regular guy would absolutely jump at taking the chance to kick an NFL player's ass because we are in the age of everybody having a smart phone and every one wanting their 15 minutes of fame. I think the players are at higher risk putting themselves in bad / testy situations, because there's always someone wanting to test you.

But you hit the nail on the head - just walk away. Because you are right, as tough as you think you might be, you are one gunshot away from being dead, so toughness then doesn't matter.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1213892]My point was is you appeared to be comparing driving after drinking of a few Redskins from the glory days to committing assault and battery against someone who was extremely over matched. There were plenty of stories going around about John Riggins embarrassing himself while drunk, none of those stories referenced him viciously beating someone.



As far as repercussions, whether fair or not some people in different lines of work are held to different standards. The more popular you are whether it be an athlete, politician or movie star misbehavior will be more career damaging than for the average Joe. I do believe the NFL policy on smoking marijuana needs to go. I don't smoke, only tried it in college a couple times, it definitely is not as dangerous as alcohol. The fact someone like Josh Gordon is probably getting a lifetime ban for smoking pot is a joke.[/QUOTE]Again, I couldn't care less about an organization or company firing Monte or anyone else. If a company doesn't want to associate with someone that's the company's prerogative.

What grinds my gears is how fake and hypocritical the lynch mob is.

The same people that want him unemployed immediately would be fine with him starting on the morning shift at McDonald's.

The hypocrites would be offended again, if after he was fired he didn't try to support himself and applied for govt assistance.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1213894]Whats it got to do with being an NFL player? I work with guys every day who would eat your average NFL player for a snack. No question. 100% trained fighters. People equate being in the NFL with being able to fight / be tough, etc. Montae looked OK against what was obviously an untrained / drunk guy who had no clue what to do fight wise.

And a regular guy would absolutely jump at taking the chance to kick an NFL player's ass because we are in the age of everybody having a smart phone and every one wanting their 15 minutes of fame. I think the players are at higher risk putting themselves in bad / testy situations, because there's always someone wanting to test you.

But you hit the nail on the head - just walk away. Because you are right, as tough as you think you might be, you are one gunshot away from being dead, so toughness then doesn't matter.[/quote]

Not sure where your coming from, of course your average NFL player is not a trained fighter. As someone who boxed as an amateur from the age 14 to 24 I know a little knowledge and experience in any of the self defense arts goes a long way in a physical altercation against an unskilled opponent. If people have equal skills the bigger stronger guy with a solid chin is going to win 99% of the time. Montae's fighting style would have gotten his butt kicked against someone who was sober with even minimal boxing or other self defense skills, but that was not the case.