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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1209446]To be perfectly honest I don't think there has been a Redskins team that could have sniffed the super bowl during the Dan Snyder era.[/QUOTE]



99% of the teams that have played in the Dan Snyder era couldnt even sniff the playoffs


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[quote=MTK;1209448]99 team was pretty good but can’t really given DS any credit for it[/quote]

True and it wasn't like Saint Louis ran away with the title that year. Being up 13-0 and losing in the Bucs game sucked.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1209450]True and it wasn't like Saint Louis ran away with the title that year. Being up 13-0 and losing in the Bucs game sucked.[/quote]

Still think we had something good going that year and could have built off it, then Snyder got his hands all over the roster in 2000 and F'd it up good.

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Mark Carrier, Bruce Smith, Neon Deion. The sky was the limit!

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The thing that bothers me about the lack of a penalty for the Reed helmet-on-helmet was that it was blatantly obvious from a bunch of angles. NO ONE saw it?

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How about last night's Viking's / Packers game? Dan Bailey was ran into on the 56 yard attempt and it knocked him over. No flag, but the instant replay showed it as clear as day.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1209469]Mark Carrier, Bruce Smith, Neon Deion. The sky was the limit![/quote]

At least those guys took their jobs seriously, even though they were past their primes. Jeff George was a complete and total waste and Snyder had such a hard on for him.

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The officials are humans and are not going to get the call right every single time. That being said, when it starts becoming a frequent occurrence that their calls directly affect the outcome of games, then that needs to be addressed.

I've seen it too many times in which a ticky tack call is made on a big defensive stop on third down, and it gives the opponents a first down. And then on the flipside, a blatant noncall on an obvious pass interference, which would have put the Redskins in comfortable game winning field goal range. That non call decided the game.

For a struggling team that's trying to keep their heads above water and outlast their mistakes, officiating can make or break them. We can say to counter bad officiating is to not make mistakes. But let's be realistic. McCoy is a backup, playing behind a patchwork offensive line, and playing with receivers who are largely underwhelming. And also not getting a big lift from the running game, because the offensive line can't create running lanes for Adrian Peterson. You start turning the ball over, you're going to lose ballgames. But to have opportunities to advance the ball and can't because of poor officiating, that's pretty tough.

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There is nothing I despise more than seeing flags fly at will during the last 4 minutes of a one-score game. It means the officiating could decide the outcome. And that should be decided on the field of play.

So if we see a few 'non-calls' of some borderline offenses, I am okay with that as long as the players are allowed to play & decide the games outcome.

The more egregious, should of course be flagged always.

But in those last 4 minutes of play, it is not uncommon to see a DB get away with a brief/minor hold that he was flagged for in the 2nd quarter.

Anyone see the Giants/Eagles Sunday? When OBJ was held not once but TWICE on the same play? And no call was made.

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I'm not a guy who jumps all over the refs but the two kicks got me thinking. Redskins missed the extra point which looked good. The camera angles they showed were not any help. I can't remember if it was an extra point or FG by Dallas that was also very close. Some how for the Dallas kick they had a camera angle right behind the goal post. Where was that angle when the Skins kicked. I know it would not have changed anything but seems like they were hiding something.

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[quote=Back2RFK;1209620]I'm not a guy who jumps all over the refs but the two kicks got me thinking. Redskins missed the extra point which looked good. The camera angles they showed were not any help. I can't remember if it was an extra point or FG by Dallas that was also very close. Some how for the Dallas kick they had a camera angle right behind the goal post. Where was that angle when the Skins kicked. I know it would not have changed anything but seems like they were hiding something.[/quote]

For kicks above the uprights, if any part of the ball is outside of the goal posts, the kick is no good. The entire ball must pass between both uprights.

And it does not matter the camera angle on field goals....it is a not a revue-able play.

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The ref is right there looking straight up under the post, I didn't have a problem with the call

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1209605]There is nothing I despise more than seeing flags fly at will during the last 4 minutes of a one-score game. It means the officiating could decide the outcome. And that should be decided on the field of play.

So if we see a few 'non-calls' of some borderline offenses, I am okay with that as long as the players are allowed to play & decide the games outcome.

The more egregious, should of course be flagged always.

But in those last 4 minutes of play, it is not uncommon to see a DB get away with a brief/minor hold that he was flagged for in the 2nd quarter.

Anyone see the Giants/Eagles Sunday? When OBJ was held not once but TWICE on the same play? And no call was made.[/quote]

If they're borderline calls, I understand. The issue is when it's an obvious offense that has to be called - especially if it's a personal foul call.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1209605]There is nothing I despise more than seeing flags fly at will during the last 4 minutes of a one-score game. It means the officiating could decide the outcome. And that should be decided on the field of play.

So if we see a few 'non-calls' of some borderline offenses, I am okay with that as long as the players are allowed to play & decide the games outcome.

The more egregious, should of course be flagged always.

But in those last 4 minutes of play, it is not uncommon to see a DB get away with a brief/minor hold that he was flagged for in the 2nd quarter.

Anyone see the Giants/Eagles Sunday? When OBJ was held not once but TWICE on the same play? And no call was made.[/quote]
yup!

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1209631]For kicks above the uprights, if any part of the ball is outside of the goal posts, the kick is no good. The entire ball must pass between both uprights.

And it does not matter the camera angle on field goals....it is a not a revue-able play.[/quote]

You missed my point. On the skins extra point they showed crappy camera angles. On the Dallas kick they showed the angle from right behind the goal post. Why not the same angle for the missed Skins kick. The camera didn't move so they could have shown the better angle. I just find it strange.

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^ The missed PAT was from the usual TV angle right behind the posts. No idea what you're talking about. Can you post screenshots?

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1209605]There is nothing I despise more than seeing flags fly at will during the last 4 minutes of a one-score game. It means the officiating could decide the outcome. And that should be decided on the field of play.

So if we see a few 'non-calls' of some borderline offenses, I am okay with that as long as the players are allowed to play & decide the games outcome.

The more egregious, should of course be flagged always.

But in those last 4 minutes of play, it is not uncommon to see a DB get away with a brief/minor hold that he was flagged for in the 2nd quarter.

Anyone see the Giants/Eagles Sunday? When OBJ was held not once but TWICE on the same play? And no call was made.[/quote]

I think this could be addressed by having any and all calls that could have a significant impact on the outcome of the game that are made in the final 5 minutes of the game reviewed by the officials in NYC, at their discretion. No plays would be non-reviewable within that window.

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As you saw last night, again, never. Leagues a fucking joke.

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NFL has a clear bias to the teams they want to succeed, Dallas is the #1 profit to the league and when they win games it makes for better ratings. There is no fucking way u can sit here and tell me the refs just didn't see the helmet to helmet penalty or the ridiculous holding calls on M Thomas. Yeah they won the game but the refs helped a ton.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1210215]NFL has a clear bias to the teams they want to succeed, Dallas is the #1 profit to the league and when they win games it makes for better ratings. There is no fucking way u can sit here and tell me the refs just didn't see the helmet to helmet penalty or the ridiculous holding calls on M Thomas. Yeah they won the game but the refs helped a ton.[/quote]

Help me understand the logic.
[quote=skinsfaninok;1210215]Dallas is the #1 profit to the league and when they win games it makes for better ratings..... [/quote]
If there was any meat to this tell me why Dallas has been the most 'incredibly average' team since their last Super Bowl in 96? If what you allege were true, the Cowboys would be....well...the Patriots.

[quote=skinsfaninok;1210215]There is no fucking way u can sit here and tell me the refs just didn't see the helmet to helmet penalty or the ridiculous holding calls on M Thomas. Yeah they won the game but the refs helped a ton.[/quote]

Then explain why Dallas had twice as many penalties for twice as many yards as the Saints? New Orleans had 4 penalties, Dallas-8. Helmet-Helmet penalties usually get called on the field. If not, they are reviewed by the league at the conclusion of the league week. Teams send in their complaints on calls and the league reviews them. If a personal foul is substantiated in the review, the player is fined. Fines are handed down on Wednesdays. All I am saying here is if the officials don't get the call right on the field, the league normally gets it right on Tuesday.

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[quote=MTK;1209706]^ The missed PAT was from the usual TV angle right behind the posts. No idea what you're talking about. Can you post screenshots?[/quote]

Not that it matters but the skins missed extra point they never showed the TV angle from right behind the post. I don't have a screen shot but both me and my cousin commented on it at the time. Then Dallas had the kick that was very close and some how they could show that TV shot from behind the goal. Again me and my cousin looked at each other asking where that angle was when we kick. It really doesn't matter just something I noticed.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1210215]NFL has a clear bias to the teams they want to succeed, Dallas is the #1 profit to the league and when they win games it makes for better ratings. There is no fucking way u can sit here and tell me the refs just didn't see the helmet to helmet penalty or the ridiculous holding calls on M Thomas. Yeah they won the game but the refs helped a ton.[/quote]

Dallas is by far the most valuable franchise but the Skins are #5 on the list and for a long time #2. If there was a bias wouldn't it make sense to really make the rivalry between two of the most storied and valued franchises a marquee every year? I just don't buy it. If you ask me are they more likely to get a call by the refs from time to time? I won't argue but I just don't buy a league conspiracy.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1210219]Dallas is by far the most valuable franchise but the Skins are #5 on the list and for a long time #2. If there was a bias wouldn't it make sense to really make the rivalry between two of the most storied and valued franchises a marquee every year? I just don't buy it. If you ask me are they more likely to get a call by the refs from time to time? I won't argue but I just don't buy a league conspiracy.[/quote]

Nope because the league wants us to change our name, I know I sound like a whiner and making excuses but I'm seriously questioning it all now.

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Officiating all around sucks. It's not a team specific issue. Every team thinks there's a conspiracy against them. There's not.

Sit down and watch any game this weekend. Watch it objectively and you'll see missed calls happen to everyone. Sometimes does it seem like it's unbalanced against one team? Sure. But there's no league wide conspiracy against any one team.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1210221]Nope because the league wants us to change our name, I know I sound like a whiner and making excuses but I'm seriously questioning it all now.[/quote]

If the league wanted the name changed there are economically more viable ways then trying to alienate and drive a way the fan base of one of their most valuable teams through poor officiating and favoring their rival.

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Last night was atrocious. And after the cowgirls last two games, one against us, it's easy to see why ppl would claim bias. And I'm not opposing that view. When someone is touting better ratings I look at the bigger picture. They have been making the NFCE closer for about 3 weeks now. Include that Houston game which potentially Hopkins seals for us with a 37 or so yarder.... That shit was beyond a joke and a blatant middle finger from the league. As we're the calls/non calls last night. As for Sandjackass's argument about yards and calls - of course they wanna make the stat line look plausible when they give you the game sealing INT that hit the ground, amari Cooper's non catch and take away the Michael Thomas catch. It's not about the.numbers at all, it's about the plays in which they CHOOSE to call the way they do. You don't think the calls are opportunistic? Even a blatant hold going uncalled or hey, we should call it this time let's keep this thing close. Sure Matty, there are bad calls in every game but I'll be damned if there isn't starter in some games and some divisions by the league. The NFCE go alot tighter and the team the league wants to take it this year(possibly) is now in first and starting with that fucking Houston game.... The former 1st place team is fading fast with 3 division games left and 2 against the media lovefest first time ever SB champion eagles.... It's all .... TOO coincidental for me.... Way too much so. And it's been like that for years.

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[quote=Meks;1210260]Last night was atrocious. And after the cowgirls last two games, one against us, it's easy to see why ppl would claim bias. And I'm not opposing that view. When someone is touting better ratings I look at the bigger picture. They have been making the NFCE closer for about 3 weeks now. Include that Houston game which potentially Hopkins seals for us with a 37 or so yarder.... That shit was beyond a joke and a blatant middle finger from the league. As we're the calls/non calls last night. As for Sandjackass's argument about yards and calls - of course they wanna make the stat line look plausible when they give you the game sealing INT that hit the ground, amari Cooper's non catch and take away the Michael Thomas catch. It's not about the.numbers at all, it's about the plays in which they CHOOSE to call the way they do. You don't think the calls are opportunistic? Even a blatant hold going uncalled or hey, we should call it this time let's keep this thing close. Sure Matty, there are bad calls in every game but I'll be damned if there isn't starter in some games and some divisions by the league. The NFCE go alot tighter and the team the league wants to take it this year(possibly) is now in first and starting with that fucking Houston game.... The former 1st place team is fading fast with 3 division games left and 2 against the media lovefest first time ever SB champion eagles.... It's all .... TOO coincidental for me.... Way too much so. And it's been like that for years.[/quote]


I watch film for a living and I can tell you that after seeing last nights film myself and others feel the same way u do. I never want to say the NFL or any sports has a little "rigging" going on, nobody wants to see that or admit that is possible but after the last 2 PRIMETIME games for the #1 marketable team in the league, it sure as hell seems a little fishy. The INT was a tough overturn but the P.I on Lattimore was bullshit, if u call that but don't call the one on Doc fuck u NFL. Ratings are a HUGE factor for revenue in the NFL and oddly enough last night was the highest rated TNF game of the yr. HMM

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[quote=Meks;1210260]Last night was atrocious. And after the cowgirls last two games, one against us, it's easy to see why ppl would claim bias. And I'm not opposing that view. When someone is touting better ratings I look at the bigger picture. They have been making the NFCE closer for about 3 weeks now. Include that Houston game which potentially Hopkins seals for us with a 37 or so yarder.... That shit was beyond a joke and a blatant middle finger from the league. As we're the calls/non calls last night. As for Sandjackass's argument about yards and calls - of course they wanna make the stat line look plausible when they give you the game sealing INT that hit the ground, amari Cooper's non catch and take away the Michael Thomas catch. It's not about the.numbers at all, it's about the plays in which they CHOOSE to call the way they do. You don't think the calls are opportunistic? Even a blatant hold going uncalled or hey, we should call it this time let's keep this thing close. Sure Matty, there are bad calls in every game but I'll be damned if there isn't starter in some games and some divisions by the league. The NFCE go alot tighter and the team the league wants to take it this year(possibly) is now in first and starting with that fucking Houston game.... The former 1st place team is fading fast with 3 division games left and 2 against the media lovefest first time ever SB champion eagles.... It's all .... TOO coincidental for me.... Way too much so. And it's been like that for years.[/quote]

So why do you even attend and watch games? Everything is a blatant conspiracy to allow certain teams favor over the rest of the league.

Do you even comprehend the depth of conspiracy you are proposing? Literally hundreds of league officials and executives would have to be involved. And there is not one 'voice of opposition'?

I am not so much concerned about your train of thought. I'm more worried that you are also allowed to vote and drive cars.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1210262]So why do you even attend and watch games? Everything is a blatant conspiracy to allow certain teams favor over the rest of the league.

Do you even comprehend the depth of conspiracy you are proposing? Literally hundreds of league officials and executives would have to be involved. And there is not one 'voice of opposition'?

I am not so much concerned about your train of thought. I'm more worried that you are also allowed to vote and drive cars.[/quote]

The leagues been around long enough and plenty of the same "league officials" have been as well. I barely attend games and the upcoming game I'm attending was a gift. I already tried selling my ticket after the skins we're robbed of the Houston game. Vote and drive cars lol, has nothing to do with football nor watching people cheat in professional sports, as if that's never occurred before 😂😂. Good day sir.

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I watch games cuz I love the game and I love my team. I watch clinging to some narrow minded hope that we won't continues to get screwed when it counts year after year, game after game. You don't need to share my opinion or view or condescend upon it like you know everything

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Will the line judge from the steelers/chargers game be suspended for missing a blatant false start which led directly to a chargers td?

Or will they issue their weekly apology for game altering bad officiating.

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I think we’re at a point where an unbiased third party panel of judges should overlook the players and league, and should review plays like this. 9 judges made up of retired refs, coaches, and players. If they determine a call was missed they issue fines against the NFL. The amount of the fine would be graded on the nature of the missed call, how blatant it was, and the damages it cost the other team. If a team lost a game because of a missed call the damages could reach 1 million. If the NFL can fine a player for wearing the wrong colored socks, why can’t it go both ways??

The monies from these fines would go into a retired NFL players fund, to the team the missed call was against, or education.


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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1210501]I think we’re at a point where an unbiased third party panel of judges should overlook the players and league, and should review plays like this. 9 judges made up of retired refs, coaches, and players. If they determine a call was missed they issue fines against the NFL. The amount of the fine would be graded on the nature of the missed call, how blatant it was, and the damages it cost the other team. If a team lost a game because of a missed call the damages could reach 1 million. If the NFL can fine a player for wearing the wrong colored socks, why can’t it go both ways??

The monies from these fines would go into a retired NFL players fund, to the team the missed call was against, or education.


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Not completely disagreeing with you, but... "If a team lost a game because of a missed call".

Scenario: 1 minute to go, team is 4 points behind[LIST][*]1st and goal - dropped pass in the endzone, receiver was completely uncovered[*]2nd and goal - receiver again completely uncovered, overthrown[*]3rd and goal - RB stopped for no gain[*]4th and goal - Field Goal missed, blatant and brutal roughing the kicker, not called[/LIST]So... has the missed roughing call lost the team the game? Or was it the inability to catch or throw to a wide open receiver?

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Yesterday in the Chargers Steelers game there was such a blatant false start and it was on a Rivers td pass. How does a ref miss something that obvious? These bums need year around training. It has to improve. The zebras are determining the outcomes of games.

The calls and no calls against us, you just have to wonder. I mean that Texans game with the phantom PI against Norman and then the no call against Docston? How do you explain that? The flat out inconsistent nonsense. That literally cost us a win and another example of refs determining the outcome of a game.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1210499]Will the line judge from the steelers/chargers game be suspended for missing a blatant false start which led directly to a chargers td?

Or will they issue their weekly apology for game altering bad officiating.[/quote]

Perhaps the worst no call I've ever seen. The tackle started the play like 2 seconds before everyone else... lol.

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[quote=TheGuyFromOverThere;1210505]Not completely disagreeing with you, but... "If a team lost a game because of a missed call".

Scenario: 1 minute to go, team is 4 points behind[LIST][*]1st and goal - dropped pass in the endzone, receiver was completely uncovered[*]2nd and goal - receiver again completely uncovered, overthrown[*]3rd and goal - RB stopped for no gain[*]4th and goal - Field Goal missed, blatant and brutal roughing the kicker, not called[/LIST]So... has the missed roughing call lost the team the game? Or was it the inability to catch or throw to a wide open receiver?[/quote]

That's why you have a review panel as he suggested. One that can take in the whole flow of the game, and context of a called or uncalled penalty.

In the Pittsburgh game for example, the missed call was egregious BUT, Pitt rallied, then couldn't stop a second half rally. It would not be worthy of the worst sanctions, but certainly there should be sanctions that emphasize the impact of the call at the time, and on the end score.

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[quote=MTK;1210228]Officiating all around sucks. It's not a team specific issue. Every team thinks there's a conspiracy against them. There's not.

Sit down and watch any game this weekend. Watch it objectively and you'll see missed calls happen to everyone. Sometimes does it seem like it's unbalanced against one team? Sure. But there's no league wide conspiracy against any one team.[/quote]

This !! I realize that you guys got burned on calls all I am saying is what MTK is saying that it's a major problem for all teams , the Giants have lost two games this year that way. I think these guy don't care anymore and either want to be bailed out by replay or they really are having that hard a time in calling a game which in my opinion is worse!