Re: Derrius Guice’s ACL tear is latest example of the injury bug devouring the Redskins. Again. And again.
 

4 preseason games is bullshit, typical money grab for the league. They should be reduced to 2.

Re: Derrius Guice’s ACL tear is latest example of the injury bug devouring the Redskins. Again. And again.
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1197935]Knee braces for lineman and running backs in preseason games 1 and 4 doesnt seem like an overly awful idea. I remember RG3 wearing it for a while but i dont remember if it was in preseason games.[/quote]

lol . . . i was joking . . . knee braces slow both straight ahead speed and lateral movement . . . QB's would be getting blown up real easy if all of the o-lineman had knee braces on . . . we would never be able to evaluate RB's properly as they would all look slow . . . would be a joke.

Re: Derrius Guice’s ACL tear is latest example of the injury bug devouring the Redskins. Again. And again.
 

Thats why i said preseason 1 and 4. Those games are for getting back into games and final 53 evaluations.

Like i said, i remember RG3 wearing them, I think they have several types that could allow some game play and evaluation.

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People talk about the pussification of football with the rule changes, but damn the fans are just as guilty if not more with wanting to put players in bubble wrap in camp and preseason games lol

It’s football, it’s a rough game equivalent to going through a car crash on a weekly basis. Watching games sometimes I’m amazed there aren’t actually more injuries

Injuries are an unfortunate part of the game, but let’s not rip the league for trying to make it safer while also complaining when players get hurt. Would it have been any better if Guice got hurt in week 1 of the regular season? It sucks either way

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It's not all bad luck. You can't finish five of the last six seasons with more key injuries than two-thirds of the other teams and just chalk it up to bad luck. Also, the injury trend is getting worse for the Skins.

Personally, I think the Skins take too many risks in the draft by reaching for talented players with troubling injury histories which sets them up to lose more key contributors to injuries than most other teams lose.

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[quote=MTK;1197941]People talk about the pussification of football with the rule changes, but damn the fans are just as guilty if not more with wanting to put players in bubble wrap in camp and preseason games lol

It’s football, it’s a rough game equivalent to going through a car crash on a weekly basis. Watching games sometimes I’m amazed there aren’t actually more injuries

Injuries are an unfortunate part of the game, but let’s not rip the league for trying to make it safer while also complaining when players get hurt. Would it have been any better if Guice got hurt in week 1 of the regular season? It sucks either way[/quote]

Very good points. Injuries happen and in some cases there isn't a particular reason or person to blame.

Honestly, one thing the league could do is to increase beyond the current 53 player roster. Owners don't want to do this, because it means more salaries for them to have to pay. But I think more players could help with wear and tear of players, especially during preseason.

Re: Derrius Guice’s ACL tear is latest example of the injury bug devouring the Redskins. Again. And again.
 

[quote=MTK;1197941]People talk about the pussification of football with the rule changes, but damn the fans are just as guilty if not more with wanting to put players in bubble wrap in camp and preseason games lol

It’s football, it’s a rough game equivalent to going through a car crash on a weekly basis. Watching games sometimes I’m amazed there aren’t actually more injuries

Injuries are an unfortunate part of the game, but let’s not rip the league for trying to make it safer while also complaining when players get hurt. Would it have been any better if Guice got hurt in week 1 of the regular season? It sucks either way[/quote]

Absolutely!

I think a soft training camp exposes the players to more injuries.
Players need to get accustomed to hitting and being hit.

Re: Derrius Guice’s ACL tear is latest example of the injury bug devouring the Redskins. Again. And again.
 

Agree with Matty. You have to practice to play well, and you've got to have depth to withstand the inevitable injuries. Might as well practice hard so that the ones who do make it out without injuries are trained properly and ready to go.

Re: Derrius Guice’s ACL tear is latest example of the injury bug devouring the Redskins. Again. And again.
 

When are people going to start thinking this is more than just bad luck? Players getting injured seemed to go through the roof when Gruden took over.

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I'd be curious to know whether in the analysis of teams that have lots of injuries what you can learn when one looks at trends over years. So, for example, if we saw that team A was year-after-year at the bottom of the list in terms of lost players to injuries, I'd want to see if there's anything that they are doing (or not doing) that would seem to be the cause. This assumes, of course, that there are longer term trends, and I have no idea if it is true. But it would be interesting to know.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1197958]When are people going to start thinking this is more than just bad luck? Players getting injured seemed to go through the roof when Gruden took over.[/quote]

But how do you attribute Guice’s injury to anything done under Gruden when Guice has spent all of three months with the Redskins? Doesn’t pass the sniff test.

We were among the very hardest hit with injuries last year but others were too - SF, NYG, and the Colts were all decimated too. We had bad luck but nothing you’d consider a statistical anomaly to the point where you can question Gruden’s processes. Doesn’t make sense.

I do think maybe we need a tougher culture. But no amount of toughness can prevent an ACL. That shit just happens.

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[QUOTE=calia;1197961]I'd be curious to know whether in the analysis of teams that have lots of injuries what you can learn when one looks at trends over years. So, for example, if we saw that team A was year-after-year at the bottom of the list in terms of lost players to injuries, I'd want to see if there's anything that they are doing (or not doing) that would seem to be the cause. This assumes, of course, that there are longer term trends, and I have no idea if it is true. But it would be interesting to know.[/QUOTE]I would bet money Dan did just that before spending close to a mil upgrading all the recovery facilities.

He gets a lot of flak and deserves a lot but he is shrewd with the check book.

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Re: Derrius Guice’s ACL tear is latest example of the injury bug devouring the Redskins. Again. And again.
 

[quote=Buffalo Bob;1197958]When are people going to start thinking this is more than just bad luck? Players getting injured seemed to go through the roof when Gruden took over.[/quote]

Put some blame on Bruce Allen. He is constantly getting guys with injury histories.
Thompson and Reed are elite players but they fell in the draft because of injuries. CT broke his back and tore an ACL. Reed had several concussions in college.

Same goes for free agents like Gallette and Taylor.
Both were so broken down last year they shouldn’t count against IR.
The same goes for DHall.

Nicholson, Fuller, and Moreau all slipped in the draft because of injuries.
Nicholson unfortunately has bad shoulders at the safety position which is unfortunate.
Fuller was limited his rookie season while recovering from ACL surgery but was outstanding last year in the slot.
Moreau was limited last year but we all expect him to play well but who knows if he can hold up. At least corners don’t take the beating RB and TE take.

Nicholson will probably only survive 6 games.
I got Reed in there for 8.
CT will play 16 but daddy gruden is going to keep bubble wrap on him by limiting his touches to under 15 a game.


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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1197964]I would bet money Dan did just that before spending close to a mil upgrading all the recovery facilities.

He gets a lot of flak and deserves a lot but he is shrewd with the check book.

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Interesting thought. Hopefully, we’ll see some results.


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[quote=jamf;1197967]Put some blame on Bruce Allen. He is constantly getting guys with injury histories.
Thompson and Reed are elite players but they fell in the draft because of injuries. CT broke his back and tore an ACL. Reed had several concussions in college.

Same goes for free agents like Gallette and Taylor.
Both were so broken down last year they shouldn’t count against IR.
The same goes for DHall.

Nicholson, Fuller, and Moreau all slipped in the draft because of injuries.
Nicholson unfortunately has bad shoulders at the safety position which is unfortunate.
Fuller was limited his rookie season while recovering from ACL surgery but was outstanding last year in the slot.
Moreau was limited last year but we all expect him to play well but who knows if he can hold up. At least corners don’t take the beating RB and TE take.
[B]
Nicholson will probably only survive 6 games. [/B]
I got Reed in there for 8.
CT will play 16 but daddy gruden is going to keep bubble wrap on him by limiting his touches to under 15 a game.


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Correct me if I'm wrong but last year all Nicholson sustained were 2 concussions. Don't see why he'd be deemed injury prone yet...

Re: Derrius Guice’s ACL tear is latest example of the injury bug devouring the Redskins. Again. And again.
 

My response is to the point of injuries and I agree with everyone here that there has been a major uptick in them over the last few years ,for many teams. While you're never going to stop injuries in the NFL, it is the nature of the beast I believe and this is[B]"only my opinion"[/B] that much of these were(are) brought on by the collective bargaining agreement and the playing surface's now.
Yes there were injuries in the "older days" but not like this. Hitting was always what you did ,to me I don't think the players hit enough, when I played the more you hit the more you got use to it and to me the new rubber fields look great but just plain suck.Do I have any proof of any of this ,no.
I never thought the sport should be a year round thing ,many players just don't get enough time off to recuperate. That's why these guys use to have 7 pre season games ....more time to get into game shape. I still believe these teams aren't ready when the season starts ,they still need at least another 3/4 weeks before they have it down. Again just my take ,thanks.

Re: Derrius Guice’s ACL tear is latest example of the injury bug devouring the Redskins. Again. And again.
 

[quote=jamf;1197967]Put some blame on Bruce Allen. He is constantly getting guys with injury histories.
Thompson and Reed are elite players but they fell in the draft because of injuries. CT broke his back and tore an ACL. Reed had several concussions in college.

Same goes for free agents like Gallette and Taylor.
Both were so broken down last year they shouldn’t count against IR.
The same goes for DHall.

Nicholson, Fuller, and Moreau all slipped in the draft because of injuries.
Nicholson unfortunately has bad shoulders at the safety position which is unfortunate.
Fuller was limited his rookie season while recovering from ACL surgery but was outstanding last year in the slot.
Moreau was limited last year but we all expect him to play well but who knows if he can hold up. At least corners don’t take the beating RB and TE take.

Nicholson will probably only survive 6 games.
I got Reed in there for 8.
CT will play 16 but daddy gruden is going to keep bubble wrap on him by limiting his touches to under 15 a game.


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I completely agree. This front office does draft talented players that have slipped in the draft because of injury concerns or are injured during draft. Could this practice lead to a roster with more injury prone players? There are more than you listed.
A few more that come to mind:
LB Shaun Dion Hamilton
RB Keith Marshall
Arie Kouandjio
There are more, I cannot remember them all.
Then we paid a lot of money on FA WR Paul Richardson, a player that has missed a lot due to injuries.
We resigned G Shaun Lauvao who has missed a lot of time to injury
We resigned TE Jordan Reed to a big contract knowing he has a reoccurring concussion problem.
Our FO made these moves knowing our teams injury problems and that these players have a history. Maybe time to rethink this bargain shopping.

Re: Derrius Guice’s ACL tear is latest example of the injury bug devouring the Redskins. Again. And again.
 

[quote=Schneed10;1197963][B]But how do you attribute Guice’s injury to anything done under Gruden when Guice has spent all of three months with the Redskins? Doesn’t pass the sniff test.[/B]

We were among the very hardest hit with injuries last year but others were too - SF, NYG, and the Colts were all decimated too. We had bad luck but nothing you’d consider a statistical anomaly to the point where you can question Gruden’s processes. Doesn’t make sense.

I do think maybe we need a tougher culture. But no amount of toughness can prevent an ACL. That shit just happens.[/quote]

Guice's injury isn't a good example, but poor training methods can add to risk of injury in a hell of a lot less than 3 months. Not being properly warmed up and stretched can add to injury risk. Too many times in the last couple years I have watched 2 to 3 times as many Redskins limp off the field during a game compared to their opponents. As mentioned above it could be more on Allen acquiring players with injury histories.

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It just seems to me that there has been an increase in injuries across the league ever since the most recent CBA was ratified. There were some radical changes to OTA and practice scheduled that reduced the total number of practices & OTAs, reduced the total number of practices with pads, reduce the total number of practices with contact etc etc. But no changes to preseason or regular season pace of play. Players are not as physically and mentally prepared for 'game day' as they were before the last CBA was ratified. And I think the increase in pre-season injuries can be directly correlated to that.

Re: Derrius Guice’s ACL tear is latest example of the injury bug devouring the Redskins. Again. And again.
 

Are there any numbers showing that injuries have actually increased?

Re: Derrius Guice’s ACL tear is latest example of the injury bug devouring the Redskins. Again. And again.
 

Probably could refer to IR and pup list numbers to see.

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I think part of it is that players are also bigger, stronger and faster. The Hogs would be petite by today’s O line standards, for example. Collisions are worse even if the rules try to mitigate them. I’d be interested in the actual numbers. I suspect someone has published on this.


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Reporting of injuries likely skews the stats since teams are under more heat than years ago to report

Re: Derrius Guice’s ACL tear is latest example of the injury bug devouring the Redskins. Again. And again.
 

[quote=MTK;1197989]Reporting of injuries likely skews the stats since teams are under more heat than years ago to report[/quote]

especially concussions . . . players just played through them in the old days . . . and with the rule changes to try to prevent them now, players are aiming low, which will naturally bring an uptick in knee and other leg injuries . . . while leg injuries can be career threatening, concussions can be life threatening.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1197934]they just built a state of the art treatment, prevention and recovery center . . . the science is there . . . luck, for whatever reason has not been[/quote]

[URL="https://twitter.com/JeffDLowe/status/1032092614823161856"]Browns OL coach doesn't believe in stretching...[/URL]

Sorry but when I hear shit like that (and maybe he's playing a character for the cameras), I think we're allowed to wonder if all coaching staffs really do give their players access to the best body science available...
He's not in charge of strength [SIZE="1"](god why is the "t" in between the "g" and the "h" in this word? doesn't make any sense!)[/SIZE] and conditioning, but to hear that level of nonsense at that level of football and then see the amount of [I][U]pulled hamstrings[/U][/I] in the game makes me question the [I][U]overall culture of taking care of your body[/U][/I] in this sport.

I remember reading any article where a former player bragged about [I][U]partying late in the night[/U][/I] just before games... Well buddy if you didn't sleep, have alcohol in your blood and [I][U]don't stretch[/U][/I], I won't be surprised when you pull your hamstring, or sprain your ankle, or even tear one of your knee's ligaments on a [I][U]seemingly harmless play[/U][/I]...

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First off Bob Wylie is hilarious, second he’s just an old dude with old views joking around at practice. I wouldn’t worry too much about it.

Re: Derrius Guice’s ACL tear is latest example of the injury bug devouring the Redskins. Again. And again.
 

[QUOTE=MTK;1198394]First off Bob Wylie is hilarious, second he’s just an old dude with old views joking around at practice. I wouldn’t worry too much about it.[/QUOTE]I laughed too. But beyond him, it just makes me wonder, if everything is indeed made to avoid injuries.
When gatorade is given to players on the sidelines, I think we're allowed to wonder about it.

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Re: Derrius Guice’s ACL tear is latest example of the injury bug devouring the Redskins. Again. And again.
 

A stretched muscle is a weak muscle.

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'Ol Bob is pretty funny. And I suspect he hasn't seen his toes in some time -- no wonder he thinks trying to reach them is a waste of time. For all he knows, they're not even there.

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[quote=MTK;1197989]Reporting of injuries likely skews the stats since teams are under more heat than years ago to report[/quote]

I agree. Plus think about how dirty the game was 40 years ago, I wouldn't be surprised if injuries have decreased from then to now. Advancements in technology and teaching, the NFL changing the rules every year for safety reasons. It just seems like more injuries happen because most teams take reporting injuries very seriously.