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[quote=Chico23231;1192195]What if you sign Hankins and you have Derwin James or Fitzpatrick sitting there at 13? That would be my preference[/quote]

I would be ecstatic to get either one of them and would prefer that then what I mentioned. I'm a Noles fan so give me James of the 2.

But there are way worse things than stacking the d line to the hilts.

I would be perfectly happy to double dip as well.

More than 1 way to skin a cat.

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My guess is first choice will be either Fitzpatrick or James, if both are not available then Payne.

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[quote=GridIron26;1192206]My guess is first choice will be either Fitzpatrick or James, if both are not available then Payne.[/quote]

Can't go wrong with adding to the secondary

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If we don't get Vea or Payne, then we need to pay up and make sure we bring in Hankins.

This is the year to get a true NT stud.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1192208]If we don't get Vea or Payne, then we need to pay up and make sure we bring in Hankins.

This is the year to get a true NT stud.[/quote]

Doesn't the Hankins deal need to be done prior to the draft?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1192209]Doesn't the Hankins deal need to be done prior to the draft?[/quote]

It doesn't need to be, but I am hoping it will (with us). Because of the DT's in the draft though teams may wait to see if they land one.

I do think Hankins will sign before the draft like last year, but I think last year's DT draft was a lot weaker, and so he had more leverage. His agent may be telling him to wait out the draft and see what team comes out hungry and wanting.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1192207]Can't go wrong with adding to the secondary[/quote]

Yep especially those 2 players. I admit I don't follow college football that much but numerous report claim the caliber of those 2 players are rare and I can imagine how we use one of those 2 players to transform our defense by mixing it up with Nicholson and Swearinger at same time on the field to confuse QBs. And, not to mention the fact that we would be set with safeties with Nicholson and James/Fitzpatrick for years to come if we draft one of those 2 players.

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[quote=GridIron26;1192211]Yep especially those 2 players. I admit I don't follow college football that much but numerous report claim the caliber of those 2 players are rare and I can imagine how we use one of those 2 players to transform our defense by mixing it up with Nicholson and Swearinger at same time on the field to confuse QBs. And, not to mention the fact that we would be set with safeties with Nicholson and James/Fitzpatrick for years to come if we draft one of those 2 players.[/quote]

I'd rather have James, he has the speed to play S and CB.. Fitz is a good one too but he doesn't have that athleticism like James.

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-Maurice Hurst

-Denzel Ward

-Quenton Nelson

-Derwin James

-Calvin Ridley

-Vita Vea

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[quote=30gut;1192237]

-Maurice Hurst [B]Great college player. No weaknesses in his skillset. A bit undersized. Possible heart condition scares me but that might be what causes him to drop to us.[/B]

-Denzel Ward [B]Stud![/B]

-Quenton Nelson [B] Dream on! It would be a miracle if he lasts until #13. It would take less than one picosecond for me to turn in that card![/B]

-Derwin James [B]Playmaker! I'd love to have this player.[/B]

-Calvin Ridley [B]WR? Meh. I'd rather have DJ Moore, anyway.[/B]

-Vita Vea [B]Fills a big need in a big way.[/B][/quote]

See above.

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In between that workout with Philly and his official visit with the team, Guice will head to Washington for a visit with the Redskins from Sunday-Monday. Remember, Washington president Bruce Allen had dinner with Guice before his pro day, as I reported weeks ago.

per Ledyard

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1192420]In between that workout with Philly and his official visit with the team, Guice will head to Washington for a visit with the Redskins from Sunday-Monday. Remember, Washington president Bruce Allen had dinner with Guice before his pro day, as I reported weeks ago.

per Ledyard[/quote]

There have only been 7 RB's picked in the Top 12 since 2010. That's 8 drafts. If history is an indicator, it seems that there is a good chance that Guice will be available when we pick.

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Guice should definitely be there at 13, too high to take him there though

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[quote=MTK;1192431]Guice should definitely be there at 13, too high to take him there though[/quote]

This could indicate plans to trade back.

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[quote=MTK;1192431]Guice should definitely be there at 13, too high to take him there though[/quote]

Yep, now Barkley is a different story, I'd trade up to get him

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1192432]This could indicate plans to trade back.[/QUOTE]I think the whole front office has been pretty open with wanting to trade back.

Heard an interview on Cooley show with Jay about the draft. He said they had 20+ players they liked in the 1st. Again who knows what the truth is, but liking that many players in the 1st and all the open comments about trading back indicates that's the plan.

Biggest obstacle is finding a partner and agreeing on price

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1192461]I think the whole front office has been pretty open with wanting to trade back.

Heard an interview on Cooley show with Jay about the draft. He said they had 20+ players they liked in the 1st. Again who knows what the truth is, but liking that many players in the 1st and all the open comments about trading back indicates that's the plan.

The biggest obstacle is finding a partner and agreeing on price

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I think there could be multiple teams wanting to trade up to #13. There will be a few great players that slide and if one is a QB the Redskins will have a few good offers.

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I think there is a ton of smoke before an NFL draft. Don't believe everything you hear.

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[quote=Defensewins;1192471]I think there is a ton of smoke before an NFL draft. Don't believe everything you hear.[/quote]

Well, where's the fun in that??? Trust everything and everybody.

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After thinking about it, I think it will end up being............Derrius Guice, Running Back, LSU

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;1192492]After thinking about it, I think it will end up being............Derrius Guice, Running Back, LSU[/QUOTE]I'm completely fine with that pick.



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[quote=DYoungJelly;1192461]I think the whole front office has been pretty open with wanting to trade back.

Heard an interview on Cooley show with Jay about the draft. He said they had 20+ players they liked in the 1st. Again who knows what the truth is, but liking that many players in the 1st and all the open comments about trading back indicates that's the plan.

Biggest obstacle is finding a partner and agreeing on price

Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk[/quote]If Lamar Jackson is on the board they'll definitely field calls for trade offers

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I hope it’s not Guice at 13 when it’s such a deep RB class.

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The noise surrounding drafting a RB doesn't match the actual identity of this team....barring a total shift in Jay's philosophy; drafting Guice with pick 13 seems like a necessary reach.

I would go Ridley all day over Guice at pick 13.

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Cooley "It would not be smart to draft DT at 13 with this much depth at the pos"

I agree and have said trading back and grabbing one is the best option for us

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[QUOTE=MTK;1192571]I hope it’s not Guice at 13 when it’s such a deep RB class.[/QUOTE]Would you have taken Fournette a couple years ago?

If they have a 1st round grade on him, go for it. I hope they trade back and get him but I think he is pretty far above everybody but Barkley

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1192662]Would you have taken Fournette a couple years ago?

If they have a 1st round grade on him, go for it. I hope they trade back and get him but I think he is pretty far above everybody but Barkley

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That is what I don't understand from people, he is a mid 1st round talent, who actually is a better between the tackles runner than Barkley imo and is a perfect compliment to Thompson, if he is the best player on your board when you pick at 13, why wouldn't we take him? People love saying "trade back" trading back is great in theory or when you don't have too many picks but if your guy is there take him. We traded back in 2011 and could have had JJ Watt, but we pick at 13 and 44, 13 people say is too high for Guice, I counter and say 44 we could miss out on the top 5 backs in the draft. (Barkley, Guice, Michel, Chubb, Penny)

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If Guice is the top guy on their board at 13 so be it, I won’t hate it. But I’ll be hoping someone like Fitzpatrick or James slides to us.

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[quote=MTK;1192669]If Guice is the top guy on their board at 13 so be it, I won’t hate it. But I’ll be hoping someone like Fitzpatrick or James slides to us.[/quote]

I think the team really believes in Nicholson, he showed some great signs last yr before injury.. I don't know that they have even brought James in for a visit have they?

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Now if James or Minkah are there, I think they are the pick 100%. But in my mock which carries no weight at all, I have them both gone by 13th unfortunately, and I do not like Vea at all actually

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1192670]I think the team really believes in Nicholson, he showed some great signs last yr before injury.. I don't know that they have even brought James in for a visit have they?[/QUOTE]


They can make it work, Swearinger is only on a 3 year deal

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1192671]Now if James or Minkah are there, I think they are the pick 100%. But in my mock which carries [B]no weight at all[/B], I have them both gone by 13th unfortunately, and I do not like Vea at all actually[/quote]

We all know you are really Mel Kiper :) Man we all do this for fun, and we all have our Mocks so its all good. Keeps the debates up. I still say trading back is our best option

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[quote=MTK;1192673]They can make it work, Swearinger is only on a 3 year deal[/quote]

True and if DJ plays the same way as he did last yr, he will command a big deal.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1192662]Would you have taken Fournette a couple years ago?

If they have a 1st round grade on him, go for it. I hope they trade back and get him but I think he is pretty far above everybody but Barkley

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Well, that didn't take long.

Just listened to Cooley's film breakdown.

The bottom line is he isn't Fournette. He is a less talented version of Fournette who Cooley said emphatically shouldn't be taken at 13 or in the 1st round at all.

Listen to it and see what you think, it is labeled as the film breakdown on 980 website. No link to the clip.

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You can drop down Fitzpatrick and James all over the defense. I hope Swearinger and Monte start all 16. That wouldn't deter me at all from picking either of those 2 if available.

The closer I get to the draft the more I want Ward, Fitzpatrick, James, or a trade down to around 20 (give me Guice, Vea, or Payne there, in addition to 1st 3 if any magically fall that far).

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1192759]You can drop down Fitzpatrick and James all over the defense. I hope Swearinger and Monte start all 16. That wouldn't deter me at all from picking either of those 2 if available.

The closer I get to the draft the more I want Ward, Fitzpatrick, James, or a trade down to around 20 (give me Guice, Vea, or Payne there, in addition to 1st 3 if any magically fall that far).[/quote]

I agree on both points. First, they play 5 DBs all the time.

Second, the Redskins have so many needs trading down makes sense. They need help at virtually every position. And with only 2 high picks they are not going to turn things around quickly.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1192758]Well, that didn't take long.



Just listened to Cooley's film breakdown.



The bottom line is he isn't Fournette. He is a less talented version of Fournette who Cooley said emphatically shouldn't be taken at 13 or in the 1st round at all.



Listen to it and see what you think, it is labeled as the film breakdown on 980 website. No link to the clip.[/QUOTE]


Cooley also isn’t a fan of Vea or Payne at 13, he did some good breakdowns on them this week.

He’s all in on Ronald Jones at RB, not at 13 obviously

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[QUOTE=MTK;1192762]Cooley also isn’t a fan of Vea or Payne at 13, he did some good breakdowns on them this week.

He’s all in on Ronald Jones at RB, not at 13 obviously[/QUOTE]Yea. The Payne Vea hesitancy is interesting.

The big knock on Vea is drafting a player who will play a limited amount of snaps at such a high position.

The second concern is he supposedly takes plays off. BUT, he was playing 70% of snaps at 350 pounds in the college game where there are way more snaps. If the team was convinced it was workload and not work ethic, I would be ok with Vea at 13.

I think he could take a guard or center and put him in the QB's lap in nickle.

According to Cooley, Payne has no rush skills either.



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Who does Captain Chaos like at 13 for us?

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[quote=Chico23231;1192061]Who I want them to take: Daron Payne DL


My best guess on who they will take: Vea Vita DL


Most disappointed if they do take: Calvin Ridley WR[/quote]

Can't lose with any of them. You line up Ridley with Richardson and co and you can have some fun again. Doctson is still a toss up in my mind and you need to give AS some nice big targets to throw to. Either DL is a quality pick and will be an instant starter. I am with you DL is top priority, but if they go Ridley, I won't have a meltdown. Face it, anyone of these three guys will be instant upgrade.