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So I was wrong on winning the east and Dallas and NYG records. Still had us at 9 wins which we basically had.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1161019]So I was wrong on winning the east and Dallas and NYG records. Still had us at 9 wins which we basically had.

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We pretty much allowed ourselves to yet again buy into the midseason hype that we were better than what we actually were. The thing that kills me in the total lack of consistentsy in terms of intensity. We beat the Packers only to flop the rest of the way. Damn, our last playoff win was 17 years ago. I was 30, now I am pushing 50. I hope to watch us win a playoff game before then.

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[quote=FlyerSkin;1161032]We pretty much allowed ourselves to yet again buy into the midseason hype that we were better than what we actually were. The thing that kills me in the total lack of consistentsy in terms of intensity. We beat the Packers only to flop the rest of the way. Damn, our last playoff win was 17 years ago. I was 30, now I am pushing 50. I hope to watch us win a playoff game before then.[/quote]

The Redskins' last playoff win was actually 12 years ago. We beat Tampa Bay in the Wild Card game after the 2005 season.

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[QUOTE=PorkSkins;1161033]The Redskins' last playoff win was actually 12 years ago. We beat Tampa Bay in the Wild Card game after the 2005 season.[/QUOTE]
In a horrible boring ass game lol. I was 18 now 30..

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1161037]In a horrible boring ass game lol. I was 18 now 30..[/quote]

Awww, man! That game sucked turds, outside of us getting the win.

It was right at that moment that I surmised Mark Brunell was falling apart, and was basically done as a starting QB in this league. That dude basically stunk up the joint the following season. He could only throw short routes, and it took everything in him to throw it deep. Horrible!

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[quote=PorkSkins;1161039]Awww, man! That game sucked turds, outside of us getting the win.

It was right at that moment that I surmised Mark Brunell was falling apart, and was basically done as a starting QB in this league. That dude basically stunk up the joint the following season. He could only throw short routes, and it took everything in him to throw it deep. Horrible![/quote]

Brunell had a good season in 2005, he was bothered in the playoffs by a leg injury and he couldn't plant his foot to throw. But as you say he was aging and starting to become brittle. I still feel today that Brunell was a scapegoat in 2006 for the entire redskins offense being cursed by Al Saunders and his famous 1000 page playbook.

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Anyone else on the final pick today also, just a little even, feel like Garcon (and this is rare IMO) flat out got beat TO THE BALL? .... Cuz after the replay i kinda felt that way.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1161046]Brunell had a good season in 2005, he was bothered in the playoffs by a leg injury and he couldn't plant his foot to throw. But as you say he was aging and starting to become brittle. I still feel today that Brunell was a scapegoat in 2006 for the entire redskins offense being cursed by Al Saunders and his famous 1000 page playbook.[/quote]

Agree with this I wish we stuck to what we were doing AIR Croyell style and Don Breaux coordinating i think we'd have been better off....

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[QUOTE=Meks;1161047]Anyone else on the final pick today also, just a little even, feel like Garcon (and this is rare IMO) flat out got beat TO THE BALL? .... Cuz after the replay i kinda felt that way.[/QUOTE]



Cousins had three options. Run into fg range on first down. Throw it away. Take a sack. All three would have probably led to at least a tie.
He chose to throw an errant pass.
Fuck him.

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[quote=PorkSkins;1161039]Awww, man! That game sucked turds, outside of us getting the win.

It was right at that moment that I surmised Mark Brunell was falling apart, and was basically done as a starting QB in this league. That dude basically stunk up the joint the following season. He could only throw short routes, and it took everything in him to throw it deep. Horrible![/quote]

Was that the game Sean Taylor got ejected from for spitting and where he also has a fumble return for TD? Or was that the regular season game?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1161017]I haven't looked but I know at the beginning of the season I said 8-9 wins would be the top this team gets. Most of us did, I'll see if I can find the thread. Point is, we all should feel good about the team. We aren't a joke like we were for many years. Since 2012 we have 3 winning seasons. That's not bad folks. It takes time

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Agreed.

The end of the season was the most frustrating of the past few years.
But we have a good team. We are not laughed at as we used to be.

As bad as they look defense is just a few pieces away from being effective: DL, FS (we'll have Cravens doing great at SS next year) are priorities, maybe another CB and a playmaker at MLB to play alongside Foster.

And maybe another DC.
I've defended Barry all season but 3rd down defense speaks bad scheme and bad play calling. Guys showed they would stop offenses on 1st and 2nd down, gotta be able to get them off the field.

Offense we'll be fine. Only head-scratching squad is the O-line. They were great at times, really consistent in pass protection. But the running game wasn't there on a consistent basis. Part of it is play calling. Part of it probably is a not so great vision by Fat Rob. But I blame the O-line for some of it, they didn't open holes consistently. Kelley was touched in the backfield way too many times.
Spencer Long did a really good job but we might need a big ass center for the run game. And maybe a LG.

There's no real holes to fill in this offense so we may be able to spend what's needed on the OL.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1161054]Agreed.

The end of the season was the most frustrating of the past few years.
But we have a good team. We are not laughed at as we used to be.

As bad as they look defense is just a few pieces away from being effective: DL, FS (we'll have Cravens doing great at SS next year) are priorities, maybe another CB and a playmaker at MLB to play alongside Foster.

And maybe another DC.
I've defended Barry all season but 3rd down defense speaks bad scheme and bad play calling. Guys showed they would stop offenses on 1st and 2nd down, gotta be able to get them off the field.

Offense we'll be fine. Only head-scratching squad is the O-line. They were great at times, really consistent in pass protection. But the running game wasn't there on a consistent basis. Part of it is play calling. Part of it probably is a not so great vision by Fat Rob. But I blame the O-line for some of it, they didn't open holes consistently. Kelley was touched in the backfield way too many times.
Spencer Long did a really good job but we might need a big ass center for the run game. And maybe a LG.

There's no real holes to fill in this offense so we may be able to spend what's needed on the OL.[/quote]

There is nothing headscratching...mcvay and Gruden are not committed to running the ball. Stats don't lie, we win we can run the ball. There is no argument against running the ball.

Last night when we were poised to start the drive that would win us the game with 6 and half minutes to go....what happened folks? 3 consecutive throws that gave us the 3 and out and promptly ended the season.

I definitely see us addressing more help at RB and bringing in someone at LG. But the coaching staff needs to address the run game approach.

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The run game starts up front. Our front 5 got owned. We could have a ran it all day but when you're getting 2 yards a pop at a certain point you have to move on and try something else.

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[quote=MTK;1161062]The run game starts up front. Our front 5 got owned. We could have a ran it all day but when you're getting 2 yards a pop at a certain point you have to move on and try something else.[/quote]

And we lose. When we run the ball and have a balanced offense we win. Period. We don't win with cousins throwing the ball 35+times. He's not Brady, brees or Rodgers. I don't think mcvay understands that fact.

LG and Running back needs to be address in the offense first and foremost. Then we need to resign a starting WR and make a decision who starts on the opposite side. How about TE? Reed, Niles Paul and carrier all seem to be injuried off and on throughout the season. Vernon Davis is an old man....zero surprise if we look at TE middle round in the draft and we should.

To simply say the offense is "just fine" is absolutely the biggest smoke and mirrors bullshit with this team.

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[quote=MTK;1161062]The run game starts up front. Our front 5 got owned. We could have a ran it all day but when you're getting 2 yards a pop at a certain point you have to move on and try something else.[/quote]

I agree with this. And you can simple look at our offense and see how many weapons we have, yet the formula for stopping us is simple: take away the running game, get to Kirk Cousins and rattle him - your good! That's exactly what happened yesterday.

The formula for success is simple: Build offensive line, build the defense. We have enough at the skilled positions for it to all fall in place.

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Lots of holes to fill on D. We've got money to spend and we better consider using it especially up front. We also need guys like Cravens, Fuller, and Smith to be significant contributors next year. I like Mason Foster but I've never been completely sold on Compton, I think we can upgrade there. Joe Barry needs to go, I don't think he should take all the blame but we can do much better.

WR is also another potential need with Garcon and DJ both possibly out the door. I think Jackson is gone but we'll make a good effort to keep Garcon. Obviously Doctson needs to step in and contribute like a #1 pick right off the bat.

I like Rob Kelley, he's a grinder and his numbers project out well over 16 games, but if there's a playmaker out there in the mid to later rounds you have to grab him. You can never have enough backs.

As for Cousins, pay the guy. Otherwise we're starting over at the most important spot on the team and I highly doubt McCloughan is interested in moving backwards in year 3.

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Kirk HAS to look at Crowder more often....he always creates space and is a big threat of YAC

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[QUOTE=MTK;1161069]Lots of holes to fill on D. We've got money to spend and we better consider using it especially up front. We also need guys like Cravens, Fuller, and Smith to be significant contributors next year. I like Mason Foster but I've never been completely sold on Compton, I think we can upgrade there. Joe Barry needs to go, I don't think he should take all the blame but we can do much better.

WR is also another potential need with Garcon and DJ both possibly out the door. I think Jackson is gone but we'll make a good effort to keep Garcon. Obviously Doctson needs to step in and contribute like a #1 pick right off the bat.

I like Rob Kelley, he's a grinder and his numbers project out well over 16 games, but if there's a playmaker out there in the mid to later rounds you have to grab him. You can never have enough backs.

As for Cousins, pay the guy. Otherwise we're starting over at the most important spot on the team and I highly doubt McCloughan is interested in moving backwards in year 3.[/QUOTE]
I completely agree with everything that you said!

Excellent Analysis!

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Looks like there is a chance that the Redskins might be looking for both an Offensive Coordinator and a Defensive Coordinator...

[b]Report: Rams to interview Redskins OC Sean McVay [/b]

[URL] http://www.thescore.com/news/1198161[/URL]

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This team is going nowhere with Gruden and Cousins. Complete inability to manage the game or the clock. By the end of the season teams figured out that all they had to do was pressure Cousins and he'd panic and throw an INT or just stand there and get sacked. Make sure a dinged up Reed was covered tight and you can do it all day. You can be sure the rest of the league has taken some notes and the numbers Cousins put up this year will never be repeated.

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[QUOTE=metalskins;1161068]I agree with this. And you can simple look at our offense and see how many weapons we have, yet the formula for stopping us is simple: take away the running game, get to Kirk Cousins and rattle him - your good! That's exactly what happened yesterday.



The formula for success is simple: Build offensive line, build the defense. We have enough at the skilled positions for it to all fall in place.[/QUOTE]


It's not that simple - that's like saying, just build the roster and go win.

We need a little retooling on the O line. Can AK or Nsechke play LG? We need an upgrade there. We need to resign at least one WR and that is banking on Doctson panning out. D is the real project. A starting FS, safety depth, NT (if we stay in a 3-4; not sold on that), and at least one more DE, preferably two. I wonder whether we have Murphy beef up again and play DE and hope that Gillette can get healthy (may be a pipe dream to think we actually get something out of him). I think we need MLB help too. And CB depth. Hopefully, with better play up front, Breeland can have a better season (and Norman too). But a LOT of work to do on D.



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[quote=FWD Skins;1161080]This team is going nowhere with Gruden and Cousins. Complete inability to manage the game or the clock. By the end of the season teams figured out that all they had to do was pressure Cousins and he'd panic and throw an INT or just stand there and get sacked. Make sure a dinged up Reed was covered tight and you can do it all day. You can be sure the rest of the league has taken some notes and the numbers Cousins put up this year will never be repeated.[/quote]

The key to stopping any team is make them one dimensional and pressure the QB. It's not some magical solution to just beat the Redskins and Cousins.

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[quote=tc2deuce;1161072]Kirk HAS to look at Crowder more often....he always creates space and is a big threat of YAC[/quote]

Yeah I'm not sure who set up the progression of his reads but idk how he looked at Mo Harris before he looked at Crowder running wide open in the end zone. Crowder should have his trust already.

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Djax is gone, no chance we pay him big $$ for basically a one trick pony. Harris will be a good WR esp possession guy. Crowder is a lethal slot guy and Doc will be back next yr.. The one time he played he caught a deep ball which showed his speed.. Reed and Davis will be back as will CT.. We will be just as good on offense, need to use DJAX money on our defense and some OL depth.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1161060]There is nothing headscratching...mcvay and Gruden are not committed to running the ball. Stats don't lie, we win we can run the ball. There is no argument against running the ball.

Last night when we were poised to start the drive that would win us the game with 6 and half minutes to go....what happened folks? 3 consecutive throws that gave us the 3 and out and promptly ended the season.

I definitely see us addressing more help at RB and bringing in someone at LG. But the coaching staff needs to address the run game approach.[/QUOTE]
I agree coaching staff needs to commit to the running game a lot more. But run blocking has to be reliable in order to do that.

It's hard to commit to the run when you hardly get 2y a carry. I know stat is way better than 2y/carry BUT it hasn't been there on a consistent basis.

If the O Line blocked as Well in the running game as they did in the passing game we wouldn't have this discussion.

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We were a soft one dimensional team on offense and our defense is severely undermanned and led by an inadequate defensive coordinator.
For years we had Vinny Cerrato and Snyder running the the team into the ground. We finally corrected. Now for years we have had a series of inadequate defensive coordinators. Move #1 this offseason is fire our D Coordinator and hire a solid experienced one like Wade Phillips. Then #2 get rid of McVay and hire Norv Turner, a supebowl winning O Coordinator that understands running the ball and being balanced.
I trust our GM to do his job as long the owner and head coach stay out of the FO personnel decisions.
Most importantly defense win championships. We have to commit to rebuilding the defense that be physical and stout up front. Stopping the run and running the ball are the basics that all good teams have to do well. We do neither.

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[quote=punch it in;1161050]Cousins had three options. Run into fg range on first down. Throw it away. Take a sack. All three would have probably led to at least a tie.
He chose to throw an errant pass.
Fuck him.[/quote]

I agree, but was just asking about the play on the ball. Just seemed like he got beat to it, didnt step into the pass whatsoever or even try to last ditch effort knock it down

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[quote=Meks;1161155]I agree, but was just asking about the play on the ball. Just seemed like he got beat to it, didnt step into the pass whatsoever or even try to last ditch effort knock it down[/quote]

Kirk got greedy and trusted his Arm to make the play, he should have ran the ball for a few yards..

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[QUOTE=Meks;1161155]I agree, but was just asking about the play on the ball. Just seemed like he got beat to it, didnt step into the pass whatsoever or even try to last ditch effort knock it down[/QUOTE]



Yeah I know. I would have to see it again, but I think it will be a loooong time before I can watch that. Lol. Even if he did though it really doesn't matter. You cannot throw that right there for any reason whatsoever. But we all know that.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/02/broncos-want-to-interview-kyle-shanahan/]Broncos want to interview Kyle Shanahan | ProFootballTalk[/url]

What if we can get Wade now??

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Wtf is going on? Fire joe berry!!!!

If he stays all that other shit won't matter.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1161160][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/02/broncos-want-to-interview-kyle-shanahan/]Broncos want to interview Kyle Shanahan | ProFootballTalk[/url]

What if we can get Wade now??[/quote]

I think Kyle has an excellent shot at getting a HC job this year. Much more so than McVay, I think he needs a few more years.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1161167]I think Kyle has an excellent shot at getting a HC job this year. Much more so than McVay, I think he needs a few more years.[/QUOTE]
If mcvay leaves he leaves, he's a decent OC but his play calling is sub par at best.

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McCay a head coach? Lol. I'll stop there.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1161170]If mcvay leaves he leaves, he's a decent OC but his play calling is sub par at best.[/quote]

I remember plenty of folks saying the same about Kyle when he was here.

Truth is both guys are very good coordinators. Our offense was 3rd in total yards, 2nd in passing yards, 12th in points, we did a lot of good things and McVay deserves a lot of credit in that.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1161046]Brunell had a good season in 2005, he was bothered in the playoffs by a leg injury and he couldn't plant his foot to throw. But as you say he was aging and starting to become brittle. I still feel today that Brunell was a scapegoat in 2006 for the entire redskins offense being cursed by Al Saunders and his famous 1000 page playbook.[/quote]

IMO, Brunell was a main part of why we crapped the bed in 2006. He sucked like the dickens. Our defense had fallen off that season, as well, but we still played close in most games. Our offense sucked so bad due to Brunell. I wanted to take a chance on Collins in the 2006 season because he knew the system. I didn't think he'd set the world on fire (although, he ended up having a heckuva ride during our 2007 playoff rally following the death of Sean Taylor), but I felt he couldn't be any worse than Brunell.

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[quote=J. Falcon;1161051]Was that the game Sean Taylor got ejected from for spitting and where he also has a fumble return for TD?[/quote]

That was the game.

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Curious to know where specifically anyone feels that this year's team was better than last year's version.

Here are my feelings-
QB- same, beat up the slackers & choke in tough games
RB- same (amateurs)
TE/WR- same (solid both years)
OL - same (great pass pro, can't run block)

DL-worse (old)
LB- worse (just as slow)
CB-same to worse
S- same old shit

K- worse
P-same

The other thing that bugs me is paying Josh Norman $75M for 2 personal fouls to help the other team score. Jay G should've have pulled his ass out to send a message.
The guy keeps putting his own agenda ahead of the team's.


I feel like the Eagles are on their way up, the Giants have proven they are better than us & Dallas is the class of the league. I just don't see a lot of hope for next year.

That falls on Scott IMO.
I wasn't wild about the draft (especially when it was loaded with DT & we end up with Ioannidis- wow, thanks Scott)

He's got some work ahead of him before we can be contenders.

Joe Barry should be fired, but the next man in won't be able to work magic without more talent.

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[quote=Bangee7;1161188]I feel like the Eagles are on their way up, the Giants have proven they are better than us & Dallas is the class of the league. I just don't see a lot of hope for next year.[/quote]

I'd be careful about placing "labels" on any team outside of New England, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Seattle, and Baltimore (although, they've missed the postseason the past two seasons).

Those are the [U][B]ONLY[/B][/U] teams who have shown a level of consistency in this league in the past 5-10 seasons. Everyone else has been up-and-down or just flat-out sucked.

Until, I see a level of consistency from anyone in the NFC East, then you just don't know.

[quote]That falls on Scott IMO.
I wasn't wild about the draft (especially when it was loaded with DT & we end up with Ioannidis- wow, thanks Scott)

He's got some work ahead of him before we can be contenders.

Joe Barry should be fired, but the next man in won't be able to work magic without more talent.[/quote]

The 2016 draft does leave a lot to be desired, but if three players turn out alright (Cravens seems to be on his way), then the draft was a success. It's still too early to "call out" this draft, per se'.

Sure, SMAC has his work out cut out for us to be a contender, but I want him to build this thing where we're routinely competing like the teams I mentioned above. Outside of the Pats, Steelers, and Packers, who all have HOF'er type QB's who can carry their respective teams.... The Ravens and Seahawks have solid and steady QB play, but have solid line play (Seattle O-line struggled this season) on both sides of the ball, and defenses who can win or help win games.

I agree, in reference to Barry being fired. Bring in a more competent coordinator, and start building the defense.

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So kirk beating GB, Baltimore and NYG were easy opponents... Ok

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