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Not being able to get off the field on 3rd and long, failing in the red zone, and the sack/fumble, which resulted into an Arizona TD, cost us yesterday.

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I like when we got down to the redzone yesterday and we ran Fat Rob for 4 yards down to the 1 and then we did a QB sneak for the TD.

That happened didn't it? Because I question my memory at this point, because that's the correct sequence....but it doesn't seem real coming from this team.

Can someone verified we ran the ball and the QB sneak?

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1158034]They were pretty good at taking the ball away early in the season and in spots, but it hasn't carried through the entire season...they are definitely below average in that category.

I didn't say bend but don't break. I said bend and "more often than not break" defense. They definitely break...which is why the offense usually has to put up 30+ points for them to have a chance.[/quote]

The good ole bend and break defense. Lol, that is not the type you want.

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For once I'd like to see us sell out on running inside the five, bring in a heavy jumbo set and just run it three times. Commit to being physical, are you really telling we can't punch it in behind Scherff and Morgan?

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Breeland and Preston Smith have both regressed this year. They've both only had like 1 good game. I still have faith in Breeland, just needs to get his confidence back.

I'm worried about Smith, is he always going to be one of those guys that is just too damn lazy to do anything with his talent? Did he even play yesterday? Didn't see that he was out but don't recall even noticing him.

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[quote=Chico23231;1158036]I like when we got down to the redzone yesterday and we ran Fat Rob for 4 yards down to the 1 and then we did a QB sneak for the TD.

That happened didn't it? Because I question my memory at this point, because that's the correct sequence....but it doesn't seem real coming from this team.

Can someone verified we ran the ball and the QB sneak?[/quote]

Yep that drive went like this: Cousins to Garcon for 10, Cousins to Jackson for 59, Cousins incomplete, Kelley 4 yard run, Cousins 1 yard TD run

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[quote=MTK;1158038]For once I'd like to see us sell out on running inside the five, bring in a heavy jumbo set and just run it three times. Commit to being physical, are you really telling we can't punch it in behind Scherff and Morgan?[/quote]

I think we all want that. McVay apparently thinks we want wild cat plays, fade passes, and shotgun formation with no threat of the run.

I'd settle for at least lining up under center with Kelley in the back field even if you pass all 3-4 times. You have to make them be prepared to defend the run.

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[quote=SirLK26;1158040]Yep that drive went like this: Cousins to Garcon for 10, Cousins to Jackson for 59, Cousins incomplete, Kelley 4 yard run, Cousins 1 yard TD run[/quote]

Im not crazy....we did run the ball and we scored a TD? SirLK26 this is no insult...but I may need a second to confirm. Or do we have video evidence so I can show my grandkids in 30 years? This is real?

Have the Skins announced a parade in honor of the feat?

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I DID like that little bootleg pass that Kelly dropped. That was money with Gibbs. I think Sellers had 10 catches that year for like 10 TDs. No one could stop it.

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CP said it best this morning "It's december there is no more excuses, win or go home"

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1158039]Breeland and Preston Smith have both regressed this year. They've both only had like 1 good game. I still have faith in Breeland, just needs to get his confidence back.

I'm worried about Smith, is he always going to be one of those guys that is just too damn lazy to do anything with his talent? Did he even play yesterday? Didn't see that he was out but don't recall even noticing him.[/quote]

I thought Smith would be a 12-to-15 sack guy, this season.

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I know there are times QB's will have predetermined throws on the goalline. Particularly, when a fade is called. But, Cousins shouldn't recognized something pre-snap. Besides, we haven't converted a fade all season.

Freeze the video at 2:15.... Just take a look at Crowder (at the bottom of the screen).

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSVZgb3PIeI[/url]

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If kirk had half a second longer on that last throw and he plants his feet crowder scores a td. Just saw the tape on ESPN, kirk has to see that blitz and get it out quick. It's something he has to work on.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1158052]If kirk had half a second longer on that last throw and he plants his feet crowder scores a td. Just saw the tape on ESPN, kirk has to see that blitz and get it out quick. It's something he has to work on.

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I said the same right after he threw the INT (I felt Crowder would've scored).

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[QUOTE=PorkSkins;1158050]I thought Smith would be a 12-to-15 sack guy, this season.[/QUOTE]
He's not very good right now. I'll roll with sophomore slump and hope next year he's better. When u see his expression he doesn't even look like he is pumped to be in the game.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1158044]I DID like that little bootleg pass that Kelly dropped. That was money with Gibbs. I think Sellers had 10 catches that year for like 10 TDs. No one could stop it.[/quote]

I did too - except Kelley can't catch worth a damn. In the GB game, they had a couple of wheel routes to him - both times he was wide open with green fields ahead of him but dropped both. Has he caught a pass? After the GB game, when everyone was all peaches and cream, Gruden praised Kelly but added, half-jokingly, "he needs to learn how to catch a ball in the flat."

Sure he SHOULD catch the ball, but good coaching plays to strengths ESPECIALLY in the crucial moments. Passing the ball to Kelly is not playing to his strength - I don't care how well designed the play is. McVay SHOULD KNOW THAT and not call on Kelly to catch passes at crucial moments.

What Kelly is good at is getting skinny and driving for a two yards when only one is available b4 contact. DO THAT!

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1158025]Not sure anyone could have done anything for Lauvao, he really got destroyed on that play.

How long do you think Long will be out?
Sullivan did a pretty good job at center yesterday, didn't he? But I think Long's absence can hurt us.[/quote]

No pun intended, but I hope Long is not out for long! :joecool: Sullivan came in and did a good job. He's a nine year vet, so you'd expect him to be plug 'n play. The play that Long got hurt on was something that I used to see on a regular basis with the hogs. When the center pulls he was able to block two defenders, which freed up Kelly for a decent run. I haven't seen that out of a Redskins offensive line in awhile, so that shows you Spencer Long is a smart, valuable guy that we're desperately going to need down the stretch.

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[QUOTE=PorkSkins;1158053]I said the same right after he threw the INT (I felt Crowder would've scored).[/QUOTE]
I loved AZ taking a chance and blitzing us. We never do that shit late in games and it kills us. Sometimes u have to take chances. I bet kirk is pissed after seeing that play today.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1158054]He's not very good right now. [B]I'll roll with sophomore slump and hope next year he's better.[/B] When u see his expression he doesn't even look like he is pumped to be in the game.[/quote]

He lacks the quickness, foot speed, and pass rush moves to play OLB in a 3-4. The only hope I see to get value out of him is to have him gain 30 pounds and move him inside.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1158052]If kirk had half a second longer on that last throw and he plants his feet crowder scores a td. Just saw the tape on ESPN, kirk has to see that blitz and get it out quick. It's something he has to work on.

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He actually did see the Blitz. He said he was going to switch to Max protect but decided not to, and it was miscommunication by Crowder and Himself. Crowder ran a choice route, and it was the same play vs Dallas were Crowder got the 9 yard game late in the game after catch the 5 yard hitch.

If there is pressure. The WR needs to know that he had to sit on that route. Crowder didn't because Kirk never called Max Pro. IE Kirk will usually call out "Oscar" or "Rhino"

Was a simple miscommunication by both guys and it cost us. It's something they will get better at as years go on.

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[QUOTE=Bucket;1158061]He actually did see the Blitz. He said he was going to switch to Max protect but decided not to, and it was miscommunication by Crowder and Himself. Crowder ran a choice route, and it was the same play vs Dallas were Crowder got the 9 yard game late in the game after catch the 5 yard hitch.

If there is pressure. The WR needs to know that he had to sit on that route. Crowder didn't because Kirk never called Max Pro. IE Kirk will usually call out "Oscar" or "Rhino"

Was a simple miscommunication by both guys and it cost us. It's something they will get better at as years go on.[/QUOTE]
Very good point. We need to remember that kirk is young in playing experience.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1158062]Very good point. We need to remember that kirk is young in playing experience.[/quote]

No excuses. As much as it pains me to say so, Dak Prescott hasn't thrown a pick like that this year, and Kirk has a lot more experience than he does. I don't know if it was on Kirk or Crowder (or both) -- clearly they weren't on the same page, which is a shame as Crowder was open (as was the deeper route).

So frustrating that they lost. But one game at a time -- beat the snot out of the reeling Eagles, and focus on nothing else. I think they can win out -- they've already beaten two of the teams they're playing, and Chicago is no good. The Panthers strike me as the East coast version of the Cardinals, although after last night, it looks like they're mailing it in (let's hope).

Let's see what fight these guys have in December. I hope it's a lot.

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We need this kid to comeback and start to dominate, we need DL help.
[url=http://theundefeated.com/features/washington-redskins-kid-anthony-lanier-ii/]Washington Redskins kid: Anthony Lanier II — The Undefeated[/url]

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[quote=PorkSkins;1158051]I know there are times QB's will have predetermined throws on the goalline. Particularly, when a fade is called. But, Cousins shouldn't recognized something pre-snap. Besides, we haven't converted a fade all season.

Freeze the video at 2:15.... Just take a look at Crowder (at the bottom of the screen).

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSVZgb3PIeI[/url][/quote]

That fade pass was going to Jackson no matter what.

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whats crazy is Fitz is on pace for another 100 catch yr... Dude is a freak

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[quote=calia;1158066]No excuses. As much as it pains me to say so, Dak Prescott hasn't thrown a pick like that this year, and Kirk has a lot more experience than he does. I don't know if it was on Kirk or Crowder (or both) -- clearly they weren't on the same page, which is a shame as Crowder was open (as was the deeper route).

So frustrating that they lost. But one game at a time -- beat the snot out of the reeling Eagles, and focus on nothing else. I think they can win out -- they've already beaten two of the teams they're playing, and Chicago is no good. The Panthers strike me as the East coast version of the Cardinals, although after last night, it looks like they're mailing it in (let's hope).

Let's see what fight these guys have in December. I hope it's a lot.[/quote]

True shit right there. Right now we only need to focus on beating the Eagles, if we do that we can get right back on track. As far as the pick goes, Kirk was under more pressure yesterday than he has been most of the year. It's not inconceivable to think that after the strip sack and the pressure it was getting to him and it affected that throw. In case anyone forgot two of our linemen went down, and Lauvao was getting beat like a red-headed stepchild. Hopefully they will be better this week.

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Lauvao on the sack fumble literally got fork lifted and put on rollerskates. We need someone in the interior of our defense that's capable of doing that.

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[quote=J. Falcon;1158069]That fade pass was going to Jackson no matter what.[/quote]

That's what I was wondering... and find really stupid. How can McVay keeps calling for that "automatic-don't-look-for-any-other-option" quick fade although it never worked ?! ... Crowder was wide open...

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1158067]We need this kid to comeback and start to dominate, we need DL help.
[url=http://theundefeated.com/features/washington-redskins-kid-anthony-lanier-ii/]Washington Redskins kid: Anthony Lanier II — The Undefeated[/url][/quote]

Who?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1158073]Lauvao on the sack fumble literally got fork lifted and put on rollerskates. We need someone in the interior of our defense that's capable of doing that.[/quote]

I watched J Falcon's link and Crowder was Wide Open at 2:15.

I wanted to understand how we got stuffed so bad the play before (at 2:08)

Scherff is the only one who came close to winning their battle. As a matter of fact, he blocked his man & Lauvao. Was Lauvao actually trying to Pull....on the goal line or did he just back pedal?

He ends up following the back through the line.

Moses looked like he just fell forward & Sullivan was bent backwards.

And Arie on the left side looked like he won the toss & "elected to receive". Mauro (#97) absolutely destroyed him.

God awful play call & even worse execution.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1158073]Lauvao on the sack fumble literally got fork lifted and put on rollerskates. We need someone in the interior of our defense that's capable of doing that.[/QUOTE]
People blame kirk but he had zero chance on that play. Plus we should have ran the fucking ball anyway

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1158067]We need this kid to comeback and [B][COLOR="Red"]start to dominate[/COLOR][/B], we need DL help.
[url=http://theundefeated.com/features/washington-redskins-kid-anthony-lanier-ii/]Washington Redskins kid: Anthony Lanier II — The Undefeated[/url][/quote]

maybe he should start to contribute first

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[quote=skinsfan69;1158073]Lauvao on the sack fumble literally got fork lifted and put on rollerskates. We need someone in the interior of our defense that's capable of doing that.[/quote]

I hate to say it, but that play was fuckin awesome. I want McC to draft a strong dline man and sign one..Or mayb grab one of those jets interior dlinemen. Both on the block after the season.

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[quote=Chico23231;1158081]I hate to say it, but that play was fuckin awesome. I want McC to draft a strong dline man and sign one..Or mayb grab one of those jets interior dlinemen. Both on the block after the season.[/quote]

yeah, I just hope there's not another wide receiver who's BPA when we draft

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[quote=J. Falcon;1158069]That fade pass was going to Jackson no matter what.[/quote]

I agree with you, and I don't understand. A fade play to a 5'10' finesse guy?

If Davis couldn't do it, at least Garcon (even though he's about 6'0') is capable of out-muscling the defender for the ball!

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[quote=Irrefutable;1158079]maybe he should start to contribute first[/quote]

Read the article?

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[quote=calia;1158066]No excuses. As much as it pains me to say so, Dak Prescott hasn't thrown a pick like that this year, and Kirk has a lot more experience than he does. I don't know if it was on Kirk or Crowder (or both) -- clearly they weren't on the same page, which is a shame as Crowder was open (as was the deeper route).

So frustrating that they lost. But one game at a time -- beat the snot out of the reeling Eagles, and focus on nothing else. I think they can win out -- they've already beaten two of the teams they're playing, and Chicago is no good. The Panthers strike me as the East coast version of the Cardinals, although after last night, it looks like they're mailing it in (let's hope).

Let's see what fight these guys have in December. I hope it's a lot.[/quote]

OK since you went there.

Dak has 120 less pass attemptso compared to Kirk. Let's compare what each QB is asked to do before the snap.

Dak Prescott
Calls play in huddle
Has option to check to run or switch direction of run
Has option to check hot

Kirk Cousins
Calls play in huddle
Has option to check run, pass, and direction.
Has option to change position of players on the field
Has option to check protection and calls protection
Has option to check hot
Has option to run turbo or no huddle

These are two different QB right now. Kirk is asked to do alot more because he's trusted by the coaches. Dak isn't even allowed to call protection. They give that option to the Center Frederick.

Dallas also has a basic scheme, Dak is required to see one side of the field with combo routes. Two reeds maximum and then checks his hot. Kirk has ability to scan whole field, adjust the play and routes and cording of the defense, has multiple reads which sometimes goes to 5 reads.

This doesn't even include that we run choice routes like a mad man. The communication between Kirk and his WR is light years beyond what Dak is required to do.

You know why Dallas is more successful? They have the very best offensive line in the NFL. It's not even close. They have one of the best young versatile RB in the NFL that runs behind it.

So let's not compare 2 different QB in two totally different situations. Dallas is a better team then us....period. It fucking blows to say that and admit that, but it's true.

The choice route was a miscommunication and it happens. You are also going to throw more interceptions when you are asked to do more. Simple...

Zona is a more complete team then us, and beat us up. Our defense is terrible, and we need to address it in the offseason.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1158093]Read the article?[/quote]


yes, the guy might be good in the future... the notion he is going to be dominate soon is far fetched

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[quote=Bucket;1158094]OK since you went there.

Dak has 120 less pass attemptso compared to Kirk. Let's compare what each QB is asked to do before the snap.

Dak Prescott
Calls play in huddle
Has option to check to run or switch direction of run
Has option to check hot

Kirk Cousins
Calls play in huddle
Has option to check run, pass, and direction.
Has option to change position of players on the field
Has option to check protection and calls protection
Has option to check hot
Has option to run turbo or no huddle

These are two different QB right now. Kirk is asked to do alot more because he's trusted by the coaches. Dak isn't even allowed to call protection. They give that option to the Center Frederick.

Dallas also has a basic scheme, Dak is required to see one side of the field with combo routes. Two reeds maximum and then checks his hot. Kirk has ability to scan whole field, adjust the play and routes and cording of the defense, has multiple reads which sometimes goes to 5 reads.

This doesn't even include that we run choice routes like a mad man. The communication between Kirk and his WR is light years beyond what Dak is required to do.

You know why Dallas is more successful? They have the very best offensive line in the NFL. It's not even close. They have one of the best young versatile RB in the NFL that runs behind it.

So let's not compare 2 different QB in two totally different situations. Dallas is a better team then us....period. It fucking blows to say that and admit that, but it's true.

The choice route was a miscommunication and it happens. You are also going to throw more interceptions when you are asked to do more. Simple...

Zona is a more complete team then us, and beat us up. Our defense is terrible, and we need to address it in the offseason.[/quote]

Sometimes the truth hurts.

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[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/28896/redskins-want-rob-kelley-more-involved-but-red-zone-remains-biggest-issue]Washington Redskins want RB Rob Kelley more involved in offense - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

Kelley is coming off a 14-carry, 63-yard game in Sunday’s loss to Arizona. That’s not the ideal number of carries for coach Jay Gruden’s liking. It didn’t stem from needing to throw to catch up; rather, the Redskins attempted passes on nine of their first 10 plays in the 31-23 loss.

In Kelley’s first three starts, he rushed for 87, 97 and 137 yards. [B]In his last two, it’s been 37 and 63 yards.[/B]

hello, run the ball.