Re: Should the Redskins Extend Jay Gruden’s Contract?
 

The best franchises have stability in the front office, coaching staff, and especially at QB when they find a competent one. The Redskins seemingly have stability at all three, so I hope that Gruden is extended and Cousins is given a long term contract. It's just a shame that they didn't pay Cousins last offseason, because he will cost a lot more against the cap now.

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Some off stats to look at.

Redskins Offense

Ranks first in the NFC and NFL in percentage of 3-and-out drives (9.5%)
Ranks first in the NFC and NFL in receiving yards at catch (2126)
Ranks first in the NFC and NFL in passing yards at catch (2124)
Ranks first in the NFC and NFL in pass completions of 25+ yards (34)
Ranks first in the NFC and third in the NFL in average rushing yards on second down (5.20)
Ranks second in the NFC and NFL in percentage of first-down passing plays gaining 4+ yards (62.9%)
Ranks second in the NFC and tied for third in the NFL in third-and- medium conversion percentage
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(53.8%)
Ranks second in the NFC and NFL in total yards per game (426.4)
Ranks second in the NFC and NFL in total yards per play (6.45)
Ranks second in the NFC and NFL in receptions per game (27.3)
Ranks second in the NFC and NFL in pass completions (300)
Ranks second in the NFC and NFL in receiving yards (3571)
Ranks second in the NFC and NFL in passing yards per game (314.8)
Ranks second in the NFC and NFL in receiving yards per game (324.6)
Ranks second in the NFC and NFL in passing first-downs (167)
Ranks second in the NFC and NFL in pass completions per game (27.3)
Ranks second in the NFC and NFL in plays of 20+ yards (55)
Ranks second in the NFC and NFL in receptions (300)
Ranks second in the NFC and NFL in receiving first-downs (167)
Ranks third in the NFC and fourth in the NFL in passing yards per attempt (8.15)
Ranks third in the NFC and NFL in percentage of first-down plays gaining 4+ yards (53.6%)
Ranks third in the NFC and sixth in the NFL in average rushing yards (4.46)
Ranks third in the NFC and NFL in percentage of second down plays converted for first-downs (36.7%)
Ranks third in the NFC and NFL in pass completions of 20+ yards (48)
Ranks third in the NFC and fourth in the NFL in passing yards per play (7.91)
Ranks tied for third in the NFC and NFL in first downs per game (23.2)
Ranks tied for third in the NFC and NFL in total first downs made (255)
Ranks fourth in the NFC and NFL in percentage of third-down plays converted for first-downs (47.9%)
Ranks fourth in the NFC and NFL in average yards gained on first down (6.11)
Ranks fourth in the NFC and fifth in the NFL in 3rd-and-long conversion percentage (32.8%)
Ranks fourth in the NFC and sixth in the NFL in pass attempts per game (39.8)
Ranks fourth in the NFC and seventh in the NFL in pass attempts (438)
Ranks fourth in the NFC and seventh in the NFL in receiving targets (431)
Ranks fourth in the NFC and sixth in the NFL in targets per game (39.2)
Ranks fourth in the NFC and NFL in percentage of pass completions (68.5%)
Ranks tied for fourth in the NFC and tied for eighth in the NFL in offensive points scored (274)
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Re: Should the Redskins Extend Jay Gruden’s Contract?
 

[quote=Schneed10;1157281]I would flip that thinking around a bit and ask you if you think Joe Barry has shown any ability to elevate the defense beyond its talent level?

I have seen no such evidence, meaning it will take top 5 talent to generate a top 5 defense. By the same token he doesn't have this group underachieving.

So I conclude he's "meh".

If you think there's a better, no brainer D Coordinator candidate on the market this offseason, you have to make the move. Super Bowl winners manage to get more than the sum of their parts. So far Barry hasn't shown that ability.[/quote]


I'm not saying he's a Wade Phillips, but he's not the same 'ole 0-16 guy he was in Detroit either.

Tied for 7th in the league in sacks with Kerrigan, Murphy & Smith. Anyone one of them having a stellar year in your mind? Outside of Baker, nobody is getting an internal push. Losing Gallete late was a big blow, but it just proves our depth still needs work.

Tied for 4th in Forced Fumbles, I'll take that about every year.

Rather than having to break in a new defense (again), I'd like to see just a few upgrades...add 2 DL, an ILB and a Safety.

Did you seriously feel good having Golston/Hood/Ricky Jean as front liners with Baker? I sure didn't.

IMO, if we add just four athletes, who are a tad faster & who tackle just a bit better, I have no doubt we bounce up to become a top 10 defense with Barry.

Re: Should the Redskins Extend Jay Gruden’s Contract?
 

[QUOTE=Schneed10;1157281]I would flip that thinking around a bit and ask you if you think Joe Barry has shown any ability to elevate the defense beyond its talent level?



I have seen no such evidence, meaning it will take top 5 talent to generate a top 5 defense. By the same token he doesn't have this group underachieving.



So I conclude he's "meh".



If you think there's a better, no brainer D Coordinator candidate on the market this offseason, you have to make the move. Super Bowl winners manage to get more than the sum of their parts. So far Barry hasn't shown that ability.[/QUOTE]



At Baltimore, vs Philly, and vs Minny I think that Barry showed he could get more bang for his buck for sure. We absolutely dominated Philly on defense. Held Minny to a big goose egg in the second half.

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[quote=SirLK26;1157120]^No way unless he gets a head coaching job[/quote]

McVay getting a head coaching gif would be a sign we have a good coaching staff here. I can't recall the last time an assistant coach, with the Skins, was sought out for the position?

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[QUOTE=Bishop Hammer;1157321]McVay getting a head coaching gif would be a sign we have a good coaching staff here. I can't recall the last time an assistant coach, with the Skins, was sought out for the position?[/QUOTE]



Well little Shanny created quite the buzz. Anytime a coordinator is young they are labeled a boy genius. Lol.

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I can't imagine a 30 year being a hc in the NFL. I doubt if Boy Wonder is ready for that..

But I think Kyle is probably ready. He's a proven OC who has done a real nice job in several stops.

Re: Should the Redskins Extend Jay Gruden’s Contract?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1157330]I can't imagine a 30 year being a hc in the NFL. I doubt if Boy Wonder is ready for that..

But I think Kyle is probably ready. He's a proven OC who has done a real nice job in several stops.[/quote]

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Id be extremely surprised to see him get a HC job. Doesn't have "it" imo.

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McVay deserves to get some interviews but I think he needs more seasoning before he would get serious consideration as a HC.

Re: Should the Redskins Extend Jay Gruden’s Contract?
 

I think teams will view it as too soon for McVay. They'll want more track record.

Re: Should the Redskins Extend Jay Gruden’s Contract?
 

let's get a poll going on this.

i vote yes; playoffs last season and holding the 6th seed right now.

stability while turning the roster over and adding depth - trending in the right direction.

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[quote=Schneed10;1157345]I think teams will view it as too soon for McVay. They'll want more track record.[/quote]

I agree with you for the most part, but to be honest there is a brain drain in the NFL with regards to HCs. After BB, you only have about half a dozen decent HCs in the league. McCarthy and Lewis might be on the outs if they can't salvage their respective seasons as well. If Andy Reid can't get the Chiefs to the next level in a couple seasons, he might be out. Face it, a lot of these guys are getting a bit long in the tooth and not much to really show for it.

Re: Should the Redskins Extend Jay Gruden’s Contract?
 

[quote=FlyerSkin;1157354]I agree with you for the most part, but to be honest there is a brain drain in the NFL with regards to HCs. After BB, you only have about half a dozen decent HCs in the league. McCarthy and Lewis might be on the outs if they can't salvage their respective seasons as well. If Andy Reid can't get the Chiefs to the next level in a couple seasons, he might be out. Face it, a lot of these guys are getting a bit long in the tooth and not much to really show for it.[/quote]

And then there is Jeff Fisher. Still amazes me that he's a HC. Terrible. Chip Kelly may be back at Oregon before we know it.

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[quote=calia;1157355]And then there is Jeff Fisher. Still amazes me that he's a HC. Terrible. Chip Kelly may be back at Oregon before we know it.[/quote]

Exactly. You can add Marv Lewis to that list if he doesn't at least go deep in the playoffs. Too many teams don't want to go out on a limb and get a fresh face, so they stick with the "old school" guys that have already worn out their welcome in the NFL. There will be a big youth movement with HCs in the NFL within 5 years from now. Too many established coaches or big names have proven to be overhyped. Mike McCarthy likely will be shown the door within 2-3 years, if not sooner if the Pack doesn't make the post season. If Sean does get a gig as a HC an a couple of seasons, maybe see if Norv would be available. Are there any other young OCs in the league that could replace McVay? I don't know of any. Like Kirk, Scotty needs to pay the man and keep him around til we contend.

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There are a few coordinators that deserve a second chance. Rod Marinelli, Steve Spagnuolo, Josh McDaniels, and Scott Linehanand could receive hard looks in the off season. The better the Cowboys do, the more likely their coaching staff will be poached.

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Here is my list of coaches that could be canned by the end of next season. Sean Payton and John Harbaugh are long shots but they haven't done shit in several years. Drew Breese is 37 and will be retiring soon. Joe Flacco has regressed since their super bowl.

Marvin Lewis
Mike McCarthy
Sean Payton
John Harbaugh
Chuck Pagano
Gus Bradley
Mike McCoy
Rex Ryan
John Fox
Chip Kelly
Mike Mularkey

Re: Should the Redskins Extend Jay Gruden’s Contract?
 

Absolutely. This team needs continuity at certain positions and head coach is definitely one of those positions. Letting JG go would mean starting over again with a new system and new ideas. He has to stay.

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[quote=MTK;1157344]McVay deserves to get some interviews but I think he needs more seasoning before he would get serious consideration as a HC.[/quote]

I think it depends upon the playoffs. IF the 'skins get in and how deep they advance. I'd say if the 'skins make it to the NFC Championship game, I think McVay's stock goes up.

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He's still too young and too far down in the pecking order of potential candidates.

Re: Should the Redskins Extend Jay Gruden’s Contract?
 

I don't think he's ready but all it takes is one team to make him an offer. If he's smart he'd wait for a more attractive offer though, the team that might offer him the job is probably gonna be one of the worst teams in the NFL.

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If the Redskins clinch a playoff birth for a second consecutive year then yes, Gruden should receive an extension. He's almost a sub .500 head coach. He's won 16 out of the team's last 30 games. This team is getting better!

Re: Should the Redskins Extend Jay Gruden’s Contract?
 

I never weighed in on this before, but I think it is worth bringing back up.

I'm a fan of extending him, sooner rather than later. I think the guy is just a winner. In 13 seasons as a head coach, he's only had one losing season. That was his first with the Redskins, with RGIII still at the helm and all the drama that was going on with this team. Says a lot about him even taking the job really.

If we can get Kirk signed, hire a competent D coordinator that gets some talent - then results, and keep the offense clicking, I see no reason not to extend him. We'll have to see how the next few weeks /months play out and then how they start the season, but if they are better than .500 at the halfway point of next season (5-3 or better), I think you have to start drawing up the paperwork.

Re: Should the Redskins Extend Jay Gruden’s Contract?
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1162729]I never weighed in on this before, but I think it is worth bringing back up.

I'm a fan of extending him, sooner rather than later. I think the guy is just a winner. In 13 seasons as a head coach, he's only had one losing season. That was his first with the Redskins, with RGIII still at the helm and all the drama that was going on with this team. Says a lot about him even taking the job really.

If we can get Kirk signed, hire a competent D coordinator that gets some talent - then results, and keep the offense clicking, I see no reason not to extend him. We'll have to see how the next few weeks /months play out and then how they start the season, but if they are better than .500 at the halfway point of next season (5-3 or better), I think you have to start drawing up the paperwork.[/quote]

Well, I'm also looking at it from this perspective. We haven't hired a DC yet (maybe we will before the day is over with), because the situation is not ideal. You have a coach going into a do or die year and a defense that lacks talent. What could help sweeten the deal for bringing in either Bradley or Pettine at this point, is to show a gesture of faith and extend Gruden's contract by a year right now. At least then, the new DC won't feel like he's walking into a situation where he could be gone after one season. I mean, yeah, the Redskins could still fire Gruden at the end of 2017 if the season is bad, but I think it shows potential coaching candidates that the franchise really does believe in continuity and believes they have the right head coach in place, that all that's left is the right guy to helm the defense.

So basically, I'd extend Gruden's contract just so we can make sure we land a top notch defensive coordinator.