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U can't put Brock over kirk. He hasn't even done anything yet? Can't even put him over Tannehill imo.

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Khalil mack is a freak. 5 sacks today! Oakland has some serious talent

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it is to early to say Osweiller is better than KC.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1132687]it is to early to say Osweiller is better than KC.[/quote]

Agree.


Let's end the weekend on a high note with a patriots loss.

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[php]t[/php][quote=OmahaRedskins;1132687]it is to early to say Osweiller is better than KC.[/quote]

Cousins is hands down better than Osweiler. What has Osweiler done? Luck is still the best followed by Wilson. Give Luck talent like Seattle and it wouldn't even be close. Osweiler's team is loaded with talent and healthy, Cousins has 4 new linemen and 1 TE.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1132693][php]t[/php]



Cousins is hands down better than Osweiler. What has Osweiler done? Luck is still the best followed by Wilson. Give Luck talent like Seattle and it wouldn't even be close.[/QUOTE]


I tend to agree with all of this except that Wilson is much smarter than Luck. Luck has a major turnover problem.

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Russ is turning into a big time QB, he used to just manage the game and yes that is a term.. now he is carrying the offense

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If anything Luck has been overrated vs Wilson. Wilson career numbers are better than most would think with a 101 passer rating. Then he has over 2300 career rushing yard!!!

2 Super Bowl appearances...Wilson > Luck so far

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1132701]If anything Luck has been overrated vs Wilson. Wilson career numbers are better than most would think with a 101 passer rating. Then he has over 2300 career rushing yard!!!



2 Super Bowl appearances...Wilson > Luck so far[/QUOTE]


Wilson has been everything i though Griff was going to be. A smart dual threat qb. Wheres a damn time machine when you need one.

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No reason to believe that win or lose next week we wont still be in first place after it is over.

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A lot of people overlooked Luck's turnovers early in his career because they felt he had all the intangibles needed to be a superstar. The problem is he kept those turnovers coming.

Luck may still turn out as great as people want to him to be, but as of right now he isn't the superstar QB people already want to make him out to be.

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[QUOTE=NoCalHail;1132726]A lot of people overlooked Luck's turnovers early in his career because they felt he had all the intangibles needed to be a superstar. The problem is he kept those turnovers coming.

Luck may still turn out as great as people want to him to be, but as of right now he isn't the superstar QB people already want to make him out to be.[/QUOTE]
And he can't do commercials!

Sent from my S6 Edge

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1132715]No reason to believe that win or lose next week we wont still be in first place after it is over.[/QUOTE]
Most likely, the Philadelphia game will determine the division winner (that assumes we beat either the Bills or the Cowboys)

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[quote=punch it in;1132704]Wilson has been everything i though Griff was going to be. A smart dual threat qb. Wheres a damn time machine when you need one.[/quote]

I was thinking the exact same damn thing last week watching Wilson juke one of the Vikings defenders last week. Oh well....

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Maybe luck will just be a good QB and not a great one?.. still he's worth the top pick imo.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1132731]Most likely, the Philadelphia game will determine the division winner (that assumes we beat either the Bills or the Cowboys)

Sent from my S6 Edge[/QUOTE]


Rite. Giants play Philly last week of the season also. Hey if anything we got the drama in our division. Maybe not contenders but we bringin the drama baby! Lol

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1132732]I was thinking the exact same damn thing last week watching Wilson juke one of the Vikings defenders last week. Oh well....[/QUOTE]


You know what? Wilson will never be rookie of the year! Take that Wilson...you smart dual threat quarterback! Hah!

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[quote=Ruhskins;1132679]Yup. I don't know if Luck will ever get out of his funk. I think Osweiller is TBD for now, since this is the first year he's starting. If I had to rank them:

1. Wilson
2. Osweiller/Luck
3. Cousins
4. Tannehill
5. RG3/Foles
6. Weeden[/quote]

I'm giving Luck the benefit of the doubt, but I think that if his issues continues, he may not be one of the top QBs in that class.

I guess I'm being too positive on Brock, but he has faced and succeeded against some pretty tough competition right off the bench. Granted, he does have a talented defense and some good weapons around him. But some QBs have that and still don't get it done in that situation.

You could make the argument of something along the lines of:

1. Wilson
2. Luck
3. Cousins/Osweiller

This is giving Luck the benefit of the doubt and waiting to see what both Osweiller and Cousins can do in the playoffs (fingers crossed for Cousins).

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I really hope Miami has something up their sleeve tonight for the Giants.

The Eagles got one against Buffalo, but I see them losing at home next week to the Cardinals. If we can take care of business at home against Buffalo it would be huge.

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Coming out party for Khalil Mack...five sacks on Sunday. Very impressive. In a league that tries to purposively make it a QB driven league and make it all about offense. This story should not get lost. Raiders FO has done a great job to turnaround what not long ago was a terrible team. Is our McKenzie still GM there?

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[quote=Ruhskins;1132743]I'm giving Luck the benefit of the doubt, but I think that if his issues continues, he may not be one of the top QBs in that class.

I guess I'm being too positive on Brock, but he has faced and succeeded against some pretty tough competition right off the bench. Granted, he does have a talented defense and some good weapons around him. But some QBs have that and still don't get it done in that situation.

You could make the argument of something along the lines of:

1. Wilson
2. Luck
3. Cousins/Osweiller

This is giving Luck the benefit of the doubt and waiting to see what both Osweiller and Cousins can do in the playoffs (fingers crossed for Cousins).[/quote]
Osweiller has started 4 games in this league. He should not even be ranked until he has a larger body of work.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1132668]So 2012 draft qbs - Luck, Griffin, Tannehill, Weeden, Osweiler, Wilson, Foles, Cousins.

Are we all buying Wilson as the best out of that crew? Is Cousins better than Luck at this point, equal?[/quote]I've always bought that, even in 2012. Imo Wilson has been underrated for awhile.

Now Cousins vs Luck? Not sure if serious.

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[quote=Ruhskins;113267]

1. Wilson
2. Osweiller/Luck
3. Cousins
4. Tannehill
5. RG3/Foles
6. Weeden[/quote]
Wilson

Luck/Tannehill

Griffin
Cousins/Foles


Oswieler



Weeden

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[quote=30gut;1132786]I've always bought that, even in 2012. Imo Wilson has been underrated for awhile.

Now Cousins vs Luck? Not sure if serious.[/quote]

I am dead serious about Cousins v Luck. Now to be fair I have been a negative Nelly on Luck from day 1. Saw Gruden's QB carousel show with him and decided that he wasn't what the Luck cult was selling. I had started to turnaround on him, but then this year happened.

Look at Cousins this year, vs Luck's 2013(2nd year starter) stats

..................Cousins.....Luck
Games ...........13,.........16
Completion % 69.2,......60.2
Yards / Game 254.2,....238.9
TD %..............4.0,....... 4.0
INT % .............2.4, ......1.6
40_+ yds .........6, ........ 9
Sacks ..............23,....... 32
Rating .............93.2, .... 87.0

stats are from NFL stats page.

I'm not saying Kirk definitely is better than Luck, but I have never held Luck on any type of pedestal either.

edit: I hate white space formatting in these!

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[quote=30gut;1132788]Wilson

Luck/Tannehill

Griffin
Cousins/Foles


Oswieler



Weeden[/quote]

Ehhh tannahill has been awful this year and foles has been slightly worse...

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[quote=30gut;1132788]Wilson

Luck/Tannehill

Griffin
Cousins/Foles


Oswieler



Weeden[/quote]

stop, just stop

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So far in his career Luck has got the benefit of the doubt purely on the volume of his production. Everything bad he has done has been overlooked because with those 35-40 attempts a game he usually ends up with 300+ yards and a couple TDs.

Luck has made a career out of playing games the way Kirk did last year against the Eagles where he had a ton of good slinging it all over the field, but also had killer turnovers. The difference is people say it made Kirk a turnover machine, yet with Luck it was "growing pains"

This isn't me saying Luck isn't going to be elite, I just think that a lot of his bad side has been apologized for and brushed to the side because of being labeled as the heir apparent from day one.

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[quote=30gut;1132788]Wilson

Luck/Tannehill

Griffin
Cousins/Foles


Oswieler



Weeden[/quote]

You usually make terrific posts here and are always well-educated on the stats that you post, but what makes you rank Griffin above Cousins? Aside from one brilliant rookie year in 2012, Griffin has utterly tanked as a starter and looked lost in our offense.

I realize that Cousins has not exactly set the world on fire, but he's had several games this season where he has given us a look into the future i believe - a top tier quarterback who is able to rally the team and bring us back from the brink of defeats. Four 4th quarter comebacks this year and i think its obvious to everyone that Cousins at least so far, has played superior to Griffin in every category.

Cousins is a guy that the team can build around. I can't wait to see him next year with a better offensive line and some more weapons on Offense...

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[quote=Defensewins;1132755]Coming out party for Khalil Mack...five sacks on Sunday. Very impressive. In a league that tries to purposively make it a QB driven league and make it all about offense. This story should not get lost. Raiders FO has done a great job to turnaround what not long ago was a terrible team. Is our McKenzie still GM there?[/quote]

His twin is the GM, Raleigh is his right hand man.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1132794]stop, just stop[/quote]

Lol...I think 30gut just pulled the troll post of the year. 1st clue, rg3 above cousins. 2nd clue, putting foles right next to cousins...

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[quote=Chico23231;1132799]Lol...I think 30gut just pulled the troll post of the year. 1st clue, rg3 above cousins. 2nd clue, putting foles right next to cousins...[/quote]

I did feel like it was a troll post, Tannehill next to Luck was a bit of a clue also. It's like he took the drafted order, dropped Weeden raised Wilson, and said with an evil grin, that'll get'em going!

(but I do think that deep in his heart of hearts this is how he wants it to be. )

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Check this out. [url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/fo-espn-feature-columns/2015/espn-andrew-luck-pretty-lucky-interceptions]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | ESPN: Andrew Luck Is Pretty Lucky with Interceptions[/url]

"There's no denying Luck forces a lot of dangerous passes, even in situations that don't require them. He's had 27 interceptions dropped by defenders over the last three years according to our game charting."

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[quote=Chico23231;1132799]Lol...I think 30gut just pulled the troll post of the year. [B]1st clue, rg3 above cousins[/B]. 2nd clue, putting foles right next to cousins...[/quote]

At this time, the only logical path is to forcibly remove 30Gut to the.....Drunk Thread.

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Lamar Miller making the Giants look silly...probably one of the best td runs of the season

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1132807]Lamar Miller making the Giants look silly...probably one of the best td runs of the season[/QUOTE]


[IMG]http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/14/2bb0e8a01e38409b660dbc340ba9ca50.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=30gut;1132788]wilson



luck/tannehill



griffin

cousins/foles





oswieler







weeden[/quote]


lmao

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1132801]I did feel like it was a troll post, Tannehill next to Luck was a bit of a clue also. It's like he took the drafted order, dropped Weeden raised Wilson, and said with an evil grin, that'll get'em going!



(but I do think that deep in his heart of hearts this is how he wants it to be. )[/QUOTE]


I forget who said that every-time they read his posts they hear in a gadda da vida playing but its sooo true

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F U dolphins. U suck. Wtf did they sit on their timeouts? They should have 1:30 on the clock?

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Miller is killing it

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[quote=Ruhskins;1132679]Yup. I don't know if Luck will ever get out of his funk. I think Osweiller is TBD for now, since this is the first year he's starting. If I had to rank them:

1. Wilson
2. Osweiller/Luck
3. Cousins
4. Tannehill
5. RG3/Foles
6. Weeden[/quote]It should be obvious Luck was playing hurt this season, until the Colts shut him down. As far as the list goes...FIFY

1. RG3 in the Shanahoffense
2. Luck
3. Wilson
4. Tannehill/Cousins/Foles
5. Weeden
6. RG3 as a "traditional" QB

Dunno where Osweiler really belongs. Somewhere between 2 and 5, lol.