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A defense that cant stop anybody,inconsistant playcalling and bad execution,worst special teams in the league = 1 sorry ass team.
We can win this game if we get 2 or more turnovers,Rocca doesnt shank any punts,Kai dont have any fg's blocked, Kyle calls perfect game and players execute his calls.Past 2 games RG3 has missed critical throws in 2nd half to start a series,overthrew his receiver by a wide margin,if he makes that throw Kyle is probably not getting criticised for abandoning the run.
Unfortunately I dont see all those things coming together
41-35 sounds good to me

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[quote=Chico23231;1040568]I think the main difference between the two, is Foles is good with the potential to be great, Kolb is matt flynn with potential to be worse[/quote]The thing about Kolb was always potential. He wasn't great in Philadelphia, but looked competent, and some guys if you take them out of the framework of the WCO, they thrive. That was the belief on Kolb at least.

The Cardinals not only didn't have the framework to win with Kolb, they couldn't even keep him upright.

Foles was a great college quarterback who had some down moments as a rookie, but I thought he was the best player on their roster at QB going into the season. I figured we were really fortunate to draw Michael Vick in week 1. We were...it just didn't matter.

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I don't see how Foles beats us. A lot of his throws have been lucky lol. Although, we don't really take advantage of playing anyone. So we will lose most likely.

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The thing to remember with Foles is that he's still somewhat inexperienced, and has benefitted from the Oakland and Green Bay offenses going AWOL for large portions of the game. If the Redskins can get a lot of points on the board, I do think they'll be able to pick Foles off once or twice.

The problem with the Week 1 game is our offense turned the ball over and refused to sustain anything...against a defense that has proven to be pretty poor overall. Gotta be really good on first down and second down in this one.

Forget a seven game winning streak, you can stick a fork in them if they lose this one.

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[quote=Bucket;1040573]I don't see how Foles beats us. A lot of his throws have been lucky lol. Although, we don't really take advantage of playing anyone. So we will lose most likely.[/quote]I suppose you could say the same about RG3's throws, though it wouldn't be any closer to accurate.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1040547]With the way he's playing Foles isn't going anywhere.

Vick is done there.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Foles is their qb for the forseeable future.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1040565]One possible good thing for us is the Eagles can't seem to win at home.[/QUOTE]

Its also the bad thing. We always seem to be the ones to end other teams bad streaks.

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London Fletcher needs to be either benched or cut at this point. With 1 tackle last week and another prime RB coming up on the schedule, I don't see good things. It burns me up we re-signed a old ass vet when there were cheaper and better options out there.

Mike has apparently lost his balls at some point. He talks about competition, yet continues to allow this farce to go on with Fletch. Fuck the sentimental shit, we need to win some games and London isn't getting it done.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1040579]London Fletcher needs to be either benched or cut at this point. With 1 tackle last week and another prime RB coming up on the schedule, I don't see good things. It burns me up we re-signed a old ass vet when there were cheaper and better options out there.

Mike has apparently lost his balls at some point. He talks about competition, yet continues to allow this farce to go on with Fletch. Fuck the sentimental shit, we need to win some games and London isn't getting it done.[/quote]

Yeah, but damn you remember his last December? Defensive Player of Month, he beasted everybody.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1040579]London Fletcher needs to be either benched or cut at this point. With 1 tackle last week and another prime RB coming up on the schedule, I don't see good things. It burns me up we re-signed a old ass vet when there were cheaper and better options out there.

Mike has apparently lost his balls at some point. He talks about competition, yet continues to allow this farce to go on with Fletch. Fuck the sentimental shit, we need to win some games and London isn't getting it done.[/quote]I reject the notion, however, that Nick Barnett and Perry Riley would "get it done" under any definition. The whole position is a weak point on this team, much like it was in 2006. When we fixed the issue by signing London Fletcher.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1040537]Sad part is we had a real chance until that shit show of a 2nd half thurs. O well[/quote]


Even more sad than that, is that we STILL have a chance :)

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[quote=Chico23231;1040581]Yeah, but damn you remember his last December? Defensive Player of Month, he beasted everybody.[/quote]

We'll see if he kicks it up a notch next month, I don't expect him to. Dude looks slow evaluating play development and making decisions about where to be.

And don't ask him to cover a TE... :puke:

I can tell his heart is still in the game but I think his skills are taking a downward turn.

I keep hoping every game he makes me eat some crow but... Still waiting.

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[quote=Mattyk;1040565]One possible good thing for us is the Eagles can't seem to win at home.[/quote]


LOL, another streak we have the pleasure to end for an opponent...

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This game simply boils down to the basics (which have not been consistently applied this year). TDs in the redzone instead of field goal attempts, winning time of possession, and coming up with some stops on Defense. I don't expect to stop them everytime, but they can't score on every drive.

We can put up 30-40 points on them, but it won't matter if we can't tackle the ball carrier or cover their receivers.

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I think mentally Fletcher is pretty sharp. He is smart enough to take on the blocker, because he knows he isn't fast enough to get to the ball carrier anymore. He isn't that far down the list in overall tackles. He's probably lost enough of his speed, that he just can't get where he wants to go anymore. He's still smart enough to get a 100 tackles(for the season), when there are guys 15 years younger that can't manage 50.

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[quote=Mattyk;1040533]Which means they'll pull it out somehow.

We can only hope.[/quote]

I have NEVER been this unenthusiatic about a Redskins game, and that includes year 2 of Jim Zorn, and year 2 of Steve Spurrier. Just Sick of the inconsistency of this team. Just seems like no matter what players we both put out there, it is the same damn result. Offense plays great = Defense sucks, defense plays well = offense sucks, offense and defense plays well = special teams gives up 400 yards in returns to some slow pile of crap. Just Sick of the same bullshit every Sunday.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1040585]LOL, another streak we have the pleasure to end for an opponent...[/quote]

Like TheMalcolmConnection always says "You have a streak that you want broken, play the Redskins"

I was just thinking we had a 96 Yard drive against the Chargers that netted no points. What kind of shit is that?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1040592]I have NEVER been this unenthusiatic about a Redskins game, and that includes year 2 of Jim Zorn, and year 2 of Steve Spurrier. Just Sick of the inconsistency of this team. Just seems like no matter what players we both put out there, it is the same damn result. Offense plays great = Defense sucks, defense plays well = offense sucks, offense and defense plays well = special teams gives up 400 yards in returns to some slow pile of crap. Just Sick of the same bullshit every Sunday.[/quote]

Quake you have stated exactly how I feel.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1040592]I have NEVER been this unenthusiatic about a Redskins game, and that includes year 2 of Jim Zorn, and year 2 of Steve Spurrier. Just Sick of the inconsistency of this team. Just seems like no matter what players we both put out there, it is the same damn result. Offense plays great = Defense sucks, defense plays well = offense sucks, offense and defense plays well = special teams gives up 400 yards in returns to some slow pile of crap. Just Sick of the same bullshit every Sunday.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure I'll never see a Redskins Super Bowl in my lifetime. And yeahhh I know they won in the 90's but I was like 6, I couldn't enjoy that! I mean I could've but I was a 6 year old girl, I didn't care then. lol

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1040597]I'm pretty sure I'll never see a Redskins Super Bowl in my lifetime. And yeahhh I know they won in the 90's but I was like 6, I couldn't enjoy that! I mean I could've but I was a 6 year old girl, I didn't care then. lol[/quote]


Me and You have the same story RAVE we were both like 6 and I really am starting to wonder if I'll see one

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1040593][B]Like TheMalcolmConnection always says "You have a streak that you want broken, play the Redskins"[/B]

I was just thinking we had a 96 Yard drive against the Chargers that netted no points. What kind of shit is that?[/quote]

It makes me sad that you remember that, but it rings true almost weekly. Maybe I'm just more sensitive and jaded looking for things like that, but it's a rookie having a career game, a vet in a slump getting back on track or some other crazy stat that happens. LUCKILY (and looking on the positive side of things), we've set just a few of those records the past couple of years at other people's expense.

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If we did beat Philly at Philly, it would be the single worst home loss for them in this 10+ game stretch.

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If I'm thinking of some crazy prediction this week, I'm going to say: Career long pass for Nick Foles or career long reception for Reed. I hope to God, it's not "biggest lead ever blown in NFL history." For the life of me, I don't understand how the pass rush has gotten worse. Was Haslett being more creative with the lack of Orakpo?

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[quote=GTripp0012;1040601]If we did beat Philly at Philly, it would be the single worst home loss for them in this 10+ game stretch.[/quote]

Now THAT'S something I'd love to deal for them. I think of that, but then I also think of the year the Lions would have broken the record for most consecutive losses. :-P

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[quote=Bucket;1040573][B]I don't see how Foles beats us[/B]. A lot of his throws have been lucky lol. Although, we don't really take advantage of playing anyone. So we will lose most likely.[/quote]

Well, we just lost to Christian Ponder and Matt Cassell....so I assume that someone that has 16td's and 0 int's has a pretty good chance. lol.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1040602]If I'm thinking of some crazy prediction this week, I'm going to say: Career long pass for Nick Foles or career long reception for Reed. I hope to God, it's not "biggest lead ever blown in NFL history." For the life of me, I don't understand how the pass rush has gotten worse. [B]Was Haslett being more creative with the lack of Orakpo?[/B][/quote]

Yes. Haslett stops scheming/thinking with Rak on the field. Last season we dialed up blitzes out of the secondary, sometimes sneak blitzes from a corner or overloading one side with a safety. And we tried ILB blitzes too. Seen much of this stuff so far in '13?

Really frustrating. The defense is modeled after the Steelers and in their heyday blitzes from the secondary/ILB were a staple. We never had that kind of success here but our corners/safeties/ILBs showed they could get after the QB enough to impact the game.

Just another example of how poor coaching has led to underperforming players. Kerrigan/Orakpo aren't premier pass rushers, but if used as part of a whole scheme they could be special. Instead Haslett just hopes these two guys break out every game to give us a pass rush.

I can't talk about this crap without getting pissed off.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1040600]It makes me sad that you remember that, but it rings true almost weekly. Maybe I'm just more sensitive and jaded looking for things like that, but it's a rookie having a career game, a vet in a slump getting back on track or some other crazy stat that happens. LUCKILY (and looking on the positive side of things), we've set just a few of those records the past couple of years at other people's expense.[/quote]

I notice it too, if ir isnt the Chargers blocking a kick for the first time im ten years, it is the Lions first win in 19 games, and if it isnt that it is Boomer Esiason setting a career high, orichael Vick on Monday night, or Devin Hesters punt return, or Larry Fitz never scoring on d hall until that game in 2011, for the life of me I dont see how WE didnt give up the Bucs first kickoff return TD

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1040597]I'm pretty sure I'll never see a Redskins Super Bowl in my lifetime. And yeahhh I know they won in the 90's but I was like 6, I couldn't enjoy that! I mean I could've but I was a 6 year old girl, I didn't care then. lol[/quote]

I was one!

Edit: I forgot giving up the longest PR in Titans history, Jake Delhomme juking out DeAngelo Hall, the Kareem Moore Int/fumble TD against the Saints.

Or the Fact that almost every kicker that leaves us after starting his career here ends up being a borderline gem elsewhere

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What's crazy to me is that I have no idea who is going to show up on Sunday? I wouldn't be shocked if we got the snot stomped out of us. And I also wouldn't be shocked if we won a close one. (I would be surprised, although not shocked, if we won with comfort; we can score points, after all, and even very good teams have bad offensive days where things don't click -- sadly, rarely agaist us. Look at last week's Broncos win over the Chargers.)

Whether we win some games from here on out or not, what I want to see is some heart from this team. Let's see who really wants to play and digs deep. I think the last few weeks the team that wanted it more won (which happens when talent isn't too far apart) -- plain and simple. We gutted it out against San Diego, and the Vikings never gave up and kept coming at us and pulled it out.

So, let's see Redskins. How badly do you want it? Philly ain't so great that you cannot win. So get it done.

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[quote=calia;1040613]What's crazy to me is that I have no idea who is going to show up on Sunday? I wouldn't be shocked if we got the snot stomped out of us. And I also wouldn't be shocked if we won a close one. (I would be surprised, although not shocked, if we won with comfort; we can score points, after all, and even very good teams have bad offensive days where things don't click -- sadly, rarely agaist us. Look at last week's Broncos win over the Chargers.)

Whether we win some games from here on out or not,[B][I][SIZE="5"] what I want to see is some heart from this team. Let's see who really wants to play and digs deep[/SIZE][/I][/B]. I think the last few weeks the team that wanted it more won (which happens when talent isn't too far apart) -- plain and simple. We gutted it out against San Diego, and the Vikings never gave up and kept coming at us and pulled it out.

So, let's see Redskins. How badly do you want it? Philly ain't so great that you cannot win. So get it done.[/quote]

Yep,what we really need is Shanny to say its time to start evaluating players!

[SIZE="7"][SIZE="4"]Shanahan admitted in his post-game press conference that the Redskins’ goals are in the future, not this season.

“Now you’re playing to see who obviously is going to be on your football team for years to come,” Shanahan said, via the Washington Post. “Now we get a chance to evaluate players and see where we’re at.

“Obviously, we’re not out of it statistically, but now we find out what type of character we’ve got and how guys keep on fighting through the rest of the season.”[/SIZE][/SIZE]

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Exactly. Don't get me wrong -- we surely have the capacity to get schooled by Philly. But no one should be looking at this game with dread. (The Niners game, that maybe a different story.)

But whether we're playing for this season or the next, you have to hit your NFC East foes in the mouth whenver you have the chance.

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I think at this point we have to be playing for next year. The players can say what they want, but i think even they know that the odds are slim that they can run the tables and sneak in the playoffs again.

Our defense almost assures us a loss everytime we step on the field. We consistently give up 30 or more points. You just can't do that in this league and win football games.

If we win, the final score would likely be Redskins 45, Eagles 42.....

Things could be scary bad. Foles might throw 5 or 6 TD's, McCoy runs for a few more, Foles might rush for a couple....

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1040619]I think at this point we have to be playing for next year. The players can say what they want, but i think even they know that the odds are slim that they can run the tables and sneak in the playoffs again.

Our defense almost assures us a loss everytime we step on the field. We consistently give up 30 or more points. You just can't do that in this league and win football games.

If we win, the final score would likely be Redskins 45, Eagles 42.....

Things could be scary bad. Foles might throw 5 or 6 TD's, McCoy runs for a few more, Foles might rush for a couple....[/quote]

Before we annoint Foles the next Peyton, he's going to need to produce consistently over better teams than the Raiders and the Rodgers-less Packers (which, notably, we did not have to play). But we will have to play better D than we have in many weeks if we're going to keep them under 30, and I think we will need to do that to win. A shootout favors the home team.

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[quote=calia;1040622]Before we annoint Foles the next Peyton, he's going to need to produce consistently over better teams than the Raiders and the Rodgers-less Packers (which, notably, we did not have to play). But we will have to play better D than we have in many weeks if we're going to keep them under 30, and I think we will need to do that to win. A shootout favors the home team.[/quote]

I agree with you, that's a great post. But even if Foles puts up pedestrian-esque numbers, and doesn't commit too many turnovers, the eagles are still capable of hurting us. We can't stop the run, or the pass. We always blow a lead. We have poor coaching on both sides of the ball.

We could be in for a long day against Philly

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[quote=NC_Skins;1040579]London Fletcher needs to be either benched or cut at this point. With 1 tackle last week and another prime RB coming up on the schedule, I don't see good things. It burns me up we re-signed a old ass vet when there were cheaper and better options out there.[/quote]Really not trying to challenge you because I bet you, Matty, SS, etc. could list alternatives to resigning Fletch, I'm just curious. Who could we have gotten?

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[quote=HailGreen28;1040625]Really not trying to challenge you because I bet you, Matty, SS, etc. could list alternatives to resigning Fletch, I'm just curious. Who could we have gotten?[/quote]

I'm someone who thinks Fletch should've been gone, but I don't think we have an alternative at this point. Its late in the season, we're going to and we should ride him out.

But to play devil's advocate; here are the available FA ILBs. I don't know much about these players but is there anyone on there that you all think would be capable enough to replace Fletcher?

Dan Connor
Takeo Spikes
Bradie James
Jonathan Goff
Barrett Ruud
Demorrio Williams (WLB in 4-3/ILB in 3-4)
Kirk Morrison
Tim Dobbins
Gary Guyton
Jamar Chaney (SLB in 4-3)
Niko Koutouvides
Mike Peterson (SLB)
Tim Shaw
Brandon Siler
Tavares Gooden
A.J. Edds
Brendon Ayanbadejo
Ricky Brown
Keyaron Fox
Travis Goethel
Tyrone McKenzie
Leon Williams
Kenny Onatolu (OLB in 4-3)
Brandon Johnson
Doug Hogue
L.J. Fort
D.J. Smith
Ryan Rau
Phillip Dillard
Greg Lloyd

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1040626]I'm someone who thinks Fletch should've been gone, but I don't think we have an alternative at this point. Its late in the season, we're going to and we should ride him out.

But to play devil's advocate; here are the available FA ILBs. I don't know much about these players but is there anyone on there that you all think would be capable enough to replace Fletcher?

Dan Connor
Takeo Spikes
Bradie James
Jonathan Goff
Barrett Ruud
Demorrio Williams (WLB in 4-3/ILB in 3-4)
Kirk Morrison
Tim Dobbins
Gary Guyton
Jamar Chaney (SLB in 4-3)
Niko Koutouvides
Mike Peterson (SLB)
Tim Shaw
Brandon Siler
Tavares Gooden
A.J. Edds
Brendon Ayanbadejo
Ricky Brown
Keyaron Fox
Travis Goethel
Tyrone McKenzie
Leon Williams
Kenny Onatolu (OLB in 4-3)
Brandon Johnson
Doug Hogue
L.J. Fort
D.J. Smith
Ryan Rau
Phillip Dillard
Greg Lloyd[/quote]Spikes and Lloyd, lol no they couldn't replace Fletch. Impressed by the amount of other players you found, I don't know who could have replaced London but interested to hear who.

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Have zero confidence in the defense, Skins don't play well on the road and have match up issues with McCoy and D. Jackson, so this could and probably will get real ugly real fast. Calling this one

Eagles 49 (Foles throws 4 TD passes, McCoy rushes for 2 TD, and add a special teams return score for good measure, the unit is due to give one up again)
Skins 21

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Pretty amazing -- one disheartening loss to the Vikings, and virtually no one picks us to beat a flawed Eagles team. Don't get me wrong, that may well be the case, but I think more folks picked us to beat the Packers and Broncos than the Eagles, and the Eagles aren't as good as those teams (if you assume a healthy Aaron Rodgers -- I don't believe the Eagles would have won against Rodgers).

Would folks have been more optimistic had we squeaked out a win against the Vikings? Winning in OT, while it would have had other reprocussions, wouldn't make me feel a whole lot better about our D. But as football is a game of momentum, I would probably concede that the Eagles game becomes a bit harder after last Thursday's implosion. But I don't think they blow us out. These Redskins will continue to give me heart attack potential.

Skins: 34
Eagles: 32

We tip a long field goal at the end of regulation just enough to take it off the mark and hang on for the win.

Of course, should I be wrong and should we go down in flames, I can start dreaming about next April's 1st round pick. (Oh, wait....).:doh:

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1040592]I have NEVER been this unenthusiatic about a Redskins game, and that includes year 2 of Jim Zorn, and year 2 of Steve Spurrier. Just Sick of the inconsistency of this team. Just seems like no matter what players we both put out there, it is the same damn result. Offense plays great = Defense sucks, defense plays well = offense sucks, offense and defense plays well = special teams gives up 400 yards in returns to some slow pile of crap. Just Sick of the same bullshit every Sunday.[/quote]

This is what bad football teams do.