Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!
 

i don't see any team offering a 1st rounder for him.

that would be a great r.o.i.

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Not for another one or two years. I'm sorry but I'm not willing to give up our embaresment of QB riches especially with the weak groups of QB's expected to come up through the next few years. When RG3 shows he can stay healthy for long periods of time then thats the time to look into a trade. Also we would have to find a replacement for Cousins.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;977477]Tebow

[SIZE="5"]Tebow[/SIZE]

[SIZE="7"]TEBOW?[/SIZE]

:spank:[/quote]

Yeah, we don't need a TE on the roster.

My father in law.( Dallas fan) believes KC will be our QB in 2014 . He thinks Griffin will be injury prone worse next season.. he's just a hater lol..

Id keep cousins unless someone offers a first and I doubt that happens

Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!
 

Oh what a difference a year makes.

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cousins for luck and 6 1st round picks

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I think it will depend if Rex Ryan is there next year. If he is, the Jets might be foolish enough to make this trade. Ryan does not know how to evaluate talent or use draft picks, but only time will tell whether they make the trade.

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[quote=donofriose;977492]I think it will depend if Rex Ryan is there next year. If he is, the Jets might be foolish enough to make this trade. Ryan does not know how to evaluate talent or use draft picks, but only time will tell whether they make the trade.[/quote]

Mike Tannenbaum is the JETS general manager. I'm not sure if they discuss this kind of deal or not, but Bruce Allen would be willing to listen. Since we have needs on the offensive line, Allen might not only command a 1st or 2nd round pick for Cousins, but he'll have Tannenbaum throw in D'brickashaw Ferguson and maybe a late round pick. Ferguson could be the answer at RT. Whatever the trade would involve, it has to make the Redskins better somewhere.

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[quote=donofriose;977492]I think it will depend if Rex Ryan is there next year. If he is, the Jets might be foolish enough to make this trade. Ryan does not know how to evaluate talent or use draft picks, but only time will tell whether they make the trade.[/quote]

I do not think that the blame rests on Rex. If you consider the players that he has had to work with on the offensive side of the ball it could have been much worse. His defense has kept that team in contention until last night. If anything the GM should be in the hot seat. They got their best offensive weapon off of waivers from Seattle (Edwards). He wasn't even starting up there. The Jets problems are in personnel not coaching. Some blame can be pinned on the OC as well, but not Rex.

As far as them getting Cousins from us, I would rather not. You need a solid backup in today's NFL. Look at Chicago this year and Indy last year. Griffen has been hurt twice and I do not see the hits slowing down. Cousins is an insurance policy.

As far as the Jets are concerned I believe that they should make a play for Alex Smith. He is a mature QB who has finally come into his own and they could probably get him for less than someone like Cousins if he were to be released. Vick might also be available so the Jets will not have to look hard for a better QB. Both are solid with an effective running game would benefit the team if you can protect them.

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What a dipshit that soxx is -- if Sanchez is a D, how in the hell is Cousins a C+. If Sanchez is anything higher than an F-, Cousins is a solid B- IMO. And yes, I am considering all the experience that Sanchez has as a starter.

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If Jets offer Revis, 2nd, and 4th I'm jumping on it. You just flipped a 4th round pick for an Elite CB, another starter, and depth. Im sorry but if we had a good RT RG3 wouldn't have to scramble as much or run as much. An elite CB would help the defense which could take alot of pressure off of the offense and RG3. I believe Mike and Kyle can get and backup QB that can success for a game or 2 if needed. People y'all are talking like he is a franchise QB. And if he is a team will offer the picks or players and/or combination. Cousins was a 4th round pick for a reason. If we flip him then we won not loss. We can use a 4th on another QB.

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[quote=Angry;977569]I do not think that the blame rests on Rex. If you consider the players that he has had to work with on the offensive side of the ball it could have been much worse. His defense has kept that team in contention until last night. If anything the GM should be in the hot seat. They got their best offensive weapon off of waivers from Seattle (Edwards). He wasn't even starting up there. The Jets problems are in personnel not coaching. Some blame can be pinned on the OC as well, but not Rex[.].[/quote]

It is Rex's fault. All of it. Tannenbaum was Rex's lackey - he got the players Rex wanted. Rex tied himself to Sanchez and will now desperately kick him to the curb. Further, Rex hand picked his OC - Sparano - specifically b/c he ran the wildcat in Miami. Rex sparked the trade for Tebow. Rex named the ever-inspiring S. Holmes captain last year.

Bottom line, there is plenty of blame to be shared but Buddy Ryan's boy is the head f*** up - everyone else is just catching the sh** spraying off the fan.

Rex simply sucks as a head coach in the long term and his downfall was as inevitable as the tide receeding before the dawn. He was good for one or two years of success but then his "us against the world" BS caught up to him and now he has no one to blame but himself.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;977588]It is Rex's fault. All of it. Tannenbaum was Rex's lackey - he got the players Rex wanted. Rex tied himself to Sanchez and will now desperately kick him to the curb. Further, Rex hand picked his OC - Sparano - specifically b/c he ran the wildcat in Miami. Rex sparked the trade for Tebow. Rex named the ever-inspiring S. Holmes captain last year.

Bottom line, there is plenty of blame to be shared but Buddy Ryan's boy is the head f*** up - everyone else is just catching the sh** spraying off the fan.

Rex simply sucks as a head coach in the long term and his downfall was as inevitable as the tide receeding before the dawn. He was good for one or two years of success but then his "us against the world" BS caught up to him and now he has no one to blame but himself.[/quote]

Sooooo I guess that you are not buying the RR plan.

Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!
 

Justin Read Peter King's MMQB Tuesday edition, and even he mentioned Cousins and the Jets.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;977588]It is Rex's fault. All of it. Tannenbaum was Rex's lackey - he got the players Rex wanted. Rex tied himself to Sanchez and will now desperately kick him to the curb. Further, Rex hand picked his OC - Sparano - specifically b/c he ran the wildcat in Miami. Rex sparked the trade for Tebow. Rex named the ever-inspiring S. Holmes captain last year.

Bottom line, there is plenty of blame to be shared but Buddy Ryan's boy is the head f*** up - everyone else is just catching the sh** spraying off the fan.

Rex simply sucks as a head coach in the long term and his downfall was as inevitable as the tide receeding before the dawn. He was good for one or two years of success but then his "us against the world" BS caught up to him and now he has no one to blame but himself.[/quote]

Did Rex tie himself to Sanchez because that ws his man or was it because that Sanchez is the best QB that they had?

Rex may have picked Sporanno because of the success that he had with the wildcat and the running game. That is the style of offense that he wanted to play, but you still need a QB when the run isn't working.

I think that the trade for Tebow was more to spark Sanchez than anything else. Sure he might have been beneficial in the Wildcat or some dysfunctional version of it, but was Rex really the driving force behind it? The answer can only be a yes or a no. If it is a "yes", then it proves that Rex didn't have much confidence in Sanchez in the first place. If it is a "no" then it proves that it was out of Rex's hands.

Sure there is plenty of blame to go around when the team is losing, but he had a couple of good years and two respectable years with the team, but nothing was done to improve the players on the team. Player decisions are the responsibility of the GM. If he wanted to tell Rex no, he had every right to. Ultimately Tannenbaum made terrible personnel decisions regardless of what influence Rex had on them.

Rex took his team to the playoffs with his "us against the world" attitude and they bought it. That is proof that he can motivate and coach regardless of our feelings about him. He took over a team that was third in the AFC East and has consistelty placed them second every season behind the Patriots. Rex is two wins away from his 4th consecutive season above .500. If the team does lose out it will be his first and only losing season. I do not quite see how he sucks as bad as you would suggest.

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You can make whatever excuses you want. When Rex was first hired, I predicted this career trajectory for him - initial success and flame out. (Seriously, I was spot on with this one, look it up ... it doesn't happen often). Rex's motivational style is great initially but wears thin fast.

Also, the yes/no question pose could also have the answer "Yes" with the basis being "Yes, I am the great Rex Ryan and I can make anything work b/c I am the most brilliant motivator in the history of coaching." Rex's hubris caused him to believe he could make Sanchez into a QB and successfully incorporate Tebow into the offense. Ooops.

Ultimately, he's a clown coach and always will be. He's got Shanahan's ego but not his acumen.

With all that said, I give you that Tannenbaum is a clown GM and bears more responsibility than I initially implied. From everything I have read, however, Tannenbaum and Rex were in this together with Rex providing the impetus.

Maybe I am wrong about Ryan, but I see nothing to dissuade me from the opinion I originally held of him. Rex has his fans who love his "in your face" style. I am not one of them - I think he is and always will be the clown coach seed that did not fall far from the thug coach tree his dad was.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;977596]Sooooo I guess that you are not buying the RR plan.[/quote]

Ummm, No.

Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!
 

[quote=12thMan;977412]Anything less than a solid 1st round pick and Cousins stays put.[/quote]

^.^.^

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I think at some point, either during next year or after, the team ASKS kirk what he wants to do ...

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[quote=Meks;977616]I think at some point, either during next year or after, the team ASKS kirk what he wants to do ...[/quote]

I completely agree -- Cousins is fully aware that this is RG3's team but he has the tools (or so it seems) to go start somewhere. He is wholly more competent than anyone on the roster in KC, Jacksonville, NYJ, Cleveland, and IMO Philly. I think if he wants to start, it would be wrong not to trade him. I just hope he wants to stay, learn a little more, and contribute towards a superbowl b/c he has been extremely impressive in mop-up duty behind RG3 (a lot of credit for which has to go to KS and MS)

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[quote=Crusty Redskin;977489]Oh what a difference a year makes.[/quote]

Crusty, what a true and simple statement!! Can you believe from last year to this year what a change....

I am with the majority here.... I want to keep KC, unless we get a crazy offer. I don't think anyone would do a Ditka trade, but a least a first rounder plus. Other than that, just don't think it is worth it to us for the most important position on the field. Remember, we hold the aces.... What a great spot to be in. Hail to BA, MS!! Great homework guys!

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This is nuts!

Last year we had no QB, now we could very well have TWO with great potential. Forget about unloading Cousins, unless you get the same thing you gave up to get RGIII. He is one injury away from being the #1, and we have already exercised that scenario this year. I would much rather have a young capable guy like Cousins, prepared to come in and play like he did on Sunday, than almost any other option...

AT LEAST, until we have shored up the other side of the ball, so in the event RGIII does go down, our defense can keep us in some games.

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The Jets will be tied to just about any available QB all offseason.

They seem to be handcuffed with Sanchez right now though. They're going to have a tough time cap wise next year.

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/21333356/mark-sanchezs-contract-makes-it-almost-impossible-for-jets-to-cut-him]Mark Sanchez's contract makes it almost impossible for Jets to cut him - CBSSports.com[/url]

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;977633]This is nuts!

Last year we had no QB, now we could very well have TWO with great potential. Forget about unloading Cousins, unless you get the same thing you gave up to get RGIII. He is one injury away from being the #1, and we have already exercised that scenario this year. I would much rather have a young capable guy like Cousins, prepared to come in and play like he did on Sunday, than almost any other option...

AT LEAST, until we have shored up the other side of the ball, so in the event RGIII does go down, our defense can keep us in some games.[/quote]

And to think, Skip Bayless was bitching about us drafting Cousins 100 picks after we drafted RG3. As it turns out, the draft selections of both Griffin III and Cousins have turned out to be the best of this past draft due to the impact both rookie quarterbacks have had this season.


I stated in an earlier post that if we trade Cousins to to the Jets, it should be for a 2nd rounder and D'brickashaw Ferguson but forget that. I like your idea of trading Cousins for 1st rounder and a future 1st rounder. He could turn out to be worth that much or even more.

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A first round pick would be great, but there isn't a chance in hell it happens. He was picked in the fourth round. We'd be lucky to get better than a fourth round pick; possibly a third. Yes, through our burgundy and gold glasses he's the next Tom Brady, but for everyone else he's a guy who has played one good game and who no one else wanted through three and a half rounds of drafting. If you have a first round pick and you need a quarterback, you're going to draft a first round QB, not trade the pick for a 4th round QB.

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[quote=Coff;977641]A first round pick would be great, but there isn't a chance in hell it happens. He was picked in the fourth round. We'd be lucky to get better than a fourth round pick; possibly a third. Yes, through our burgundy and gold glasses he's the next Tom Brady, but for everyone else he's a guy who has played one good game and who no one else wanted through three and a half rounds of drafting. If you have a first round pick and you need a quarterback, you're going to draft a first round QB, not trade the pick for a 4th round QB.[/quote]

Not necessarily so. A quarterback's stock can increase no matter what round he was drafted. Those scouts and GMs who have seen film of Cousins play are wishing that they had selected him before he fell to the 4th round. Mind you, Kirk Cousins was projected to be a 2nd round pick. Cousins has outshined the Ryan Tannehills and the Brandon Weedens, QBs who were taken in the 1st round of the draft. Neither of them have been nominated for any awards this season but Cousins has been nominated for 2 awards in back to back weeks and because of that his stock has increased.

Charley Casserly said the other day that right now in this moment in time that Cousins is worth at the very least a 2nd round pick.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;977457]Yeah, this is what's it's all about. Stability at the most position on the field. I don't think we've been this stable at the quarterback position since Doug Williams was the starter and Mark Rypien was backing him up. bottom damn line, Kirk Cousins is a solid back up. I'd be worried as hell if Rex Grossman was RG3's back up.[/quote] Ok Greedy :) I say we keep KC and trade our 2013 draft for A. Rogers , then we would have 3 qb's !!! LOL . If somehow Vinny gets hired as GM somewhere ,he might give us 2 1st rounders :)

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Hmmmm. Good points. But even if he is worth a second rounder, we can only seal a second round pick if there is competition between multiple teams to grab him. We don't stand in a strong negotiating position; that he's a back-up fourth round pick weakens our stance regardless of what he's worth (there's a lot more variables in a trade than the player's value; player value doesn't always translate to trade value). On the other hand, he has a fourth round contract, which makes him more appealing (of course, if his stock rises that much, he'd be crazy not to ask for a new contract and\or demand a trade, both of which would lower his trade value).

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[quote=JoeRedskin;977607]You can make whatever excuses you want. When Rex was first hired, I predicted this career trajectory for him - initial success and flame out. (Seriously, I was spot on with this one, look it up ... it doesn't happen often). Rex's motivational style is great initially but wears thin fast.

Also, the yes/no question pose could also have the answer "Yes" with the basis being "Yes, I am the great Rex Ryan and I can make anything work b/c I am the most brilliant motivator in the history of coaching." Rex's hubris caused him to believe he could make Sanchez into a QB and successfully incorporate Tebow into the offense. Ooops.

Ultimately, he's a clown coach and always will be. He's got Shanahan's ego but not his acumen.


With all that said, I give you that Tannenbaum is a clown GM and bears more responsibility than I initially implied. From everything I have read, however, Tannenbaum and Rex were in this together with Rex providing the impetus.

Maybe I am wrong about Ryan, but I see nothing to dissuade me from the opinion I originally held of him. Rex has his fans who love his "in your face" style. I am not one of them - I think he is and always will be the clown coach seed that did not fall far from the thug coach tree his dad was.[/quote]

I am not a fan of Rex nor his father, but his father coached the Bears to a Superbowl (no offense to Mike Ditka) and as much as I hated him for the "bodybag game" and his years in Philly he was a pretty good coach. Rex has not had a losing season as a head coach yet (may happen this year). The bottom line is that there are a number of coaches in the league who cannot stake that claim, but will keep their jobs this year. He has a winning record over 4 seasons even if he loses out. To fire him would continue the culture of the "win now" mentality that has plagued both the Redskins and the league over the past two decades. It takes a long time and a lot of work to create a masterpiece; why fans need to see coaching turnover every 2-5 years is beyond me. Until he truly loses a season badly I cannot see anyone trying to justify a coaching change.

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[quote=Coff;977648]Hmmmm. Good points. But even if he is worth a second rounder, we can only seal a second round pick if there is competition between multiple teams to grab him. We don't stand in a strong negotiating position; that he's a back-up fourth round pick weakens our stance regardless of what he's worth (there's a lot more variables in a trade than the player's value; player value doesn't always translate to trade value). On the other hand, he has a fourth round contract, which makes him more appealing (of course, if his stock rises that much, he'd be crazy not to ask for a new contract and\or demand a trade, both of which would lower his trade value).[/quote]

Since its a rookie contract, the new CBA governs a lot of what he could ask for. I could be wrong, but I dont think they can be offered extensions until year 3 and even those dont do away with year 4. Any new deal would be an extension starting with pay for year 5.

This new rookie pay scale makes the value of tradable rookies go up imo. You have them at a good contract for 4 years with an option to pay up and guarantee a year 5. If Cousins is traded in the offseason after year 3, then he still has a cheap contract for one year and a 1 year option at high dollars before you have to sign him to a large guaranteed contract. So 2 years to decide if hes the one you want to shell out that "cant miss" contract to.

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[quote=Mattyk;977634]The Jets will be tied to just about any available QB all offseason.

They seem to be handcuffed with Sanchez right now though. They're going to have a tough time cap wise next year.

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/21333356/mark-sanchezs-contract-makes-it-almost-impossible-for-jets-to-cut-him]Mark Sanchez's contract makes it almost impossible for Jets to cut him - CBSSports.com[/url][/quote]


I'm still shocked that Woody hasn't fired Tannebum at this point. Even more shocked he approved that horrible contract extension for Sanchez. I would have had to say HELL NO at that.

He's as good as gone come end of season, so why wait? That way the new GM could decide Rex Ryan's fate.

Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!
 

[quote=Skinzman;977653]Since its a rookie contract, the new CBA governs a lot of what he could ask for. I could be wrong, but I dont think they can be offered extensions until year 3 and even those dont do away with year 4. Any new deal would be an extension starting with pay for year 5.

This new rookie pay scale makes the value of tradable rookies go up imo. You have them at a good contract for 4 years with an option to pay up and guarantee a year 5. If Cousins is traded in the offseason after year 3, then he still has a cheap contract for one year and a 1 year option at high dollars before you have to sign him to a large guaranteed contract. So 2 years to decide if hes the one you want to shell out that "cant miss" contract to.[/quote]

I hadn't thought about that. That would increase his value.

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The way the scouts, coaches, and GM have been finding talent there is no reason to trade away our most reliable alternate to RG III. We need him to be here for at least another year.

Plus what's the rush in trying to trade a guy who could be this value able to our team.

The 2012 draft class may go down as one of the best in Redskins history. We don't even know what we have in the oline talent we drafted yet.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;977489]Oh what a difference a year makes.[/quote]

Oh what a difference a talented, leader-QB makes. RGIII inspired this team (including Cousins) to get where they are.

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i dont wanna trade Cousins....

but if Revis was on the table, maybe with a draft pick with him... i dunno youd have to seriously consider taking the risk of banking on RG being healthy all season.

never happen though.. KEEP COUSINS

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[quote=Skins4L;977680]i dont wanna trade Cousins....

but if Revis was on the table, maybe with a draft pick with him... i dunno youd have to seriously consider taking the risk of banking on RG being healthy all season.

never happen though.. KEEP COUSINS[/quote]



I would not pay a CB 15 mil/yr which is exactly the type of money he's wanting in a extension. Add that to the fact he just tore a ACL and you can forget it.

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Supposedly this topic has been on discussed to great length for the last 2 days on The Sports Fix with Kevin Sheehan and Thom Loverro. They talked to Charley Casserly today about it. Casserly seemed to think Cousins would fetch at least a 2nd round pick (perhaps two 2nd rounders if a team was desperate enough). But Casserly also said backups like this are usually liked or disliked based on college tape, as opposed to preseason or backup work in their first year(s).

While I wouldn't just give away Cousins, the one thing to think about is no first round picks over the next 2 years plus no 2nd rounder next year. The Skins will be in another big deficit with the salary cap. If a team (Kansas City perhaps? The Jets if they figure out how to get rid of Sanchez?) decides that Cousins is worth two 2nd rounders, it might be too rich not to take advantage of.

Don't get me wrong, it's awesome to have a capable backup that we might have with Cousins (one game does a great backup not make), but if a team is willing to throw the farm out there for him, I'm not sure the Skins can afford to turn the deal down. Plus with a guy like Matt Scott from Arizona that could be available in the 4th round, you might be able to needs with the 2nd rounders and have someone who Rex Grossman can coach up the would-be backup.

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Not sure I would want to trade him for a guy with two season ending surgeries in the last three years. Two acls? I believe.

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[quote=BDBohnzie;977684]While I wouldn't just give away Cousins, the one thing to think about is no first round picks over the next 2 years plus no 2nd rounder next year. [/quote]

We have our 2nd rounder next year. It was this past draft we lost our 2nd rounder. Just missing next years and 2014's first round picks.

We have a extra 5th rounder via the Patriots for the Fat Boy trade.


[url=http://bloggingthebeast.com/nfc-east-2013-draft-picks/redskins-2013-draft-picks/]Redskins 2013 draft picks – Blogging the bEast[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;977688]We have our 2nd rounder next year. It was this past draft we lost our 2nd rounder. Just missing next years and 2014's first round picks.

We have a extra 5th rounder via the Patriots for the Fat Boy trade.


[url=http://bloggingthebeast.com/nfc-east-2013-draft-picks/redskins-2013-draft-picks/]Redskins 2013 draft picks – Blogging the bEast[/url][/quote]
Thanks for the correction. I will still argue that if a team is willing to trade two 2nd rounders for a 4th round pick, that it could be too rich to turn down.