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I hope they haven't changed that stupid lock.

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As long as the key has been thrown away. Maybe not, but [I]should[/I] have been, right?

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[quote=los panda;935593]i'm scared[/quote]

[quote=Meks;935605]Petrified[/quote]

[quote=hooskins;935610]Thinking I could never live without by my side[/quote]



[SIZE=5][B]Wow. [/B][/SIZE]Well done, men.


Panda, re-check your lyrics. It's afraid.

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[B]Lets read that call again...[/B]

"We have fouls by both teams during the kick," King said. "We have illegal shift by the kicking team. After the kick ... "


"After the kick, we have a 15-yard penalty, re-kick, 5-yard penalty,"

"Correction on the reporting of the foul. Both teams were ... both off ... both fouls were on the kicking team. Five-yard penalty."

"Both fouls were committed by the kicking team. The first foul was an illegal shift by the kicking team. The second foul, after the kick, was a personal foul, face mask. We ... enforce the 5-yard penalty and re-kick."

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I'll have to say other then a few really bad calls the refs have not called a bunch of stupid crap like real ref's do. I've seen several minor hits on the QB's which normally get called and the replacement ref's have not called.

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[quote=firstdown;935862]I'll have to say other then a few really bad calls the refs have not called a bunch of stupid crap like real ref's do. I've seen several minor hits on the QB's which normally get called and the replacement ref's have not called.[/quote]

Yeah but it's probably because they didn't know the rules protecting the qb.

They really have been bad, in lots of ways. Everything from obvious bad calls - touchback at the 4, to game time management - do you really want the Giants to have a free play at the end of the first quarter? To just getting the announcement correct. Obviously the big bloopers are what get national attention, but my guess is there are plenty in each game to drive coaches, players, and soon the fans crazy.

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Honestly, piss poor game last night from these "replacements"

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yes, last night wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be, but that doesn't excuse it being absolutely putrid. I make a projection that after these scabs ruin a couple games through week 2, week 3 we will see Hoculi and his cohorts back on the field not calling holding penalties for Orakpo. Mark it down, these replacements wont get any better, they will only get worse as time goes on, and the outcry for the real refs to return will soon be a huge talking point in every medium of sports media.

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[quote=Mechanix544;937383]yes, last night wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be, but that doesn't excuse it being absolutely putrid. I make a projection that after these scabs ruin a couple games through week 2, week 3 we will see Hoculi and his cohorts back on the field not calling holding penalties for Orakpo. Mark it down, [B]these replacements wont get any better, they will only get worse as time goes on[/B], and the outcry for the real refs to return will soon be a huge talking point in every medium of sports media.[/quote]what factors do you think will cause them to get worse, as opposed to maintaining their current level, or improving?

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[quote=Meks;937381]Honestly, piss poor game last night from these "replacements"[/quote]

I didn't think so. No worse than the regulars minus one or two plays really. I do think players are going to try and test their boundaries with the replacements though. (ie...holding, etc..)

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I thought they did a quite decent job last night. Professional even.

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i only saw the last 20 game minutes, didn't see anything that was horrible. saw that string of, what, 4 or 5 plays in a row w a penalty

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[quote=Mechanix544;937383]yes, last night wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be, but that doesn't excuse it being absolutely putrid. I make a projection that after these scabs ruin a couple games through week 2, week 3 we will see Hoculi and his cohorts back on the field not calling holding penalties for Orakpo. Mark it down, these replacements wont get any better, they will only get worse as time goes on, and the outcry for the real refs to return will soon be a huge talking point in every medium of sports media.[/quote]

I think you have that backwards. The longer it goes the better they will get and more of a chance for the NFL to tell the real ref's to go pound sand. I thought they did a pretty good job. A few non calls but I actually like the fact they let them play a little more not calling everthing they see. The one holding call they missed was the worse thing they did and even the announcers said that's an easy call to miss.

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[quote=firstdown;937403]I think you have that backwards. The longer it goes the better they will get and more of a chance for the NFL to tell the real ref's to go pound sand. I thought they did a pretty good job. A few non calls but I actually like the fact they let them play a little more not calling everthing they see. The one holding call they missed was the worse thing they did and even the announcers said that's an easy call to miss.[/quote]

The longer that this goes on, the more and more calls will be blown, and people's opinions of them the longer they are on the field will plummet, even farther than they are now. Right now, I consider this not so much a "non issue", but an overshadowed one, considering people are just so hyped up about having football back again. Once that honeymoon with the NFL comes to an end come, say, the end of week two, all of the replacement ref's blown calls will be under a mass media microscope, and people will be wanting heads.

Thats just my opinion, but I saw a poorly officialled game last night, it was not tight, alot of missed calls, and this will continue, and it will grow like a boil, until the fans and the NFL can no longer take it. Again, just my opinion, but these scabs are nowhere as proficient as the real referees, and everyone knows it. Tis just a matter of time until this thing boils over.

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[quote=los panda;937386]what factors do you think will cause them to get worse, as opposed to maintaining their current level, or improving?[/quote]

Not so much they will get worse, I guess I didn't type out my thoughts precisely enough, I just mean that the situation will get worse, and even if they do a superb job calling games, people will bitch and moan a hell of alot more than they would, just because of the fact that they are not full time referees, thus they are inefficient.

The missed calls, wrong calls, and retarded calls will happen. Its just a matter of time until a completely RIDICULOUS call occurs, after which everyone and their brother will be making this a huge issue. Just the fact that they are considered replacements makes it unfair for them, especially when disecting their calls in hindsight. Analysts and fans alike will scrutinize their calls more methodically and meticulously, until the only option the NFL has is to get the professionals back in the stripes.

I wholeheartedly believe that the refs are just biding their time until retarded and ridiculous calls get made in multiple games in the same week, and that will be magnified and pointed to by all. By waiting for the tornado of bad calls, I see the ref's gaining alot of traction in negotiations, and their leverage can only increase.

BTW - the game last night was not a well officiated game. Ignoring calls just for the sake of not getting them incorrect is a recipe for disaster.

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[quote=Meks;937381]Honestly, piss poor game last night from these "replacements"[/quote]While I would agree with you,they blew calls on both sides of the ball,they were'nt why the Giants lost.

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Honestly I've seen worse from some actual NFL officials. I dont think it was that bad. That said, I'm sure the NFL picked their best team for that game and I bet we can expect some off the wall calls this weekend once they have to dig deeper into the "talent" pool. I think we can almost guarantee that we'll have at least once team lose a game due to a bad call.

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They missed a few obvious calls Mon. The one in the end zone when Cruz was held was god awful. I saw a few illegal contact calls that were missed. But to be honest, the regular refs make terrible calls week in and week out. They throw flags when the QB is looked at the wrong way. So what's worse, making a terrible call? Or missing an obvious one? From what I see, these new guys are letting them play a little bit and I don't mind that.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;935871][B]Yeah but it's probably because they didn't know the rules protecting the qb.[/B]

They really have been bad, in lots of ways. Everything from obvious bad calls - touchback at the 4, to game time management - do you really want the Giants to have a free play at the end of the first quarter? To just getting the announcement correct. Obviously the big bloopers are what get national attention, but my guess is there are plenty in each game to drive coaches, players, and soon the fans crazy.[/quote]

The league has gone way too far in trying to protect the QB's. If a defender tries to knock down a pass and accidently hits the QB in the head they throw a 15 yarder. I guess the league isn't smart enough to figure out that slapping someone in the head while their helmet is on doesn't hurt, nor is it going to cause a concussion.

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operation stir the pot?
success.

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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/side-judge-pulled-saints-panthers-game-facebook-page-143323464--nfl.html#more-29330]Side judge pulled from Saints-Panthers game after his Facebook page showed Saints fandom | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

A clear-as-day Saints fan being allowed to ref the Saints-Panthers game? No conflict of interest there lol. Clearly the NFL did their homework on these refs.

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The officiating this season is obscene. But players and coaches have to keep their cool, or else the officiating becomes an advantage for the opponent as we saw today. Fisher (the superior coach no doubt) stayed pretty calm and focused, and his players did for the most part as well. Shanahan lost his cool and his focus, looked like a raving lunatic at times, and his team's focus went to sh!t.

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[quote=The Goat;941480]The officiating this season is obscene. But players and coaches have to keep their cool, or else the officiating becomes an advantage for the opponent as we saw today. Fisher (the superior coach no doubt) [B]stayed pretty calm and focused, and his players did for the most part as well.[/B] Shanahan lost his cool and his focus, looked like a raving lunatic at times, and his team's focus went to sh!t.[/quote]

Wait what? Were we watching the same game? Because they showed Fisher screaming at the refs multiple times during the game. Not to mention all the post-whistle shit the players were pulling, like Robert Quinn pushing RG3's head to the ground after his sack and the Rams taking every opportunity to push Skins players after the tackle, or Cortland Finnegan doing his usual shit. They were most certainly engaged in post-whistle tactics designed to get the Redskins to lose their shit, and the 'Skins managed to hold their cool most of the game until Josh Morgan's killer penalty at the end.

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I really hope the sports media makes a bigger deal out of this replacement refs situation. I just don't know what else can happen. The mistakes made by the refs have gotten worst and I hope someone calls out the league for it.

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[quote=mooby;941481]Wait what? Were we watching the same game? Because they showed Fisher screaming at the refs multiple times during the game. Not to mention all the post-whistle shit the players were pulling, like Robert Quinn pushing RG3's head to the ground after his sack and the Rams taking every opportunity to push Skins players after the tackle, or Cortland Finnegan doing his usual shit. They were most certainly engaged in post-whistle tactics designed to get the Redskins to lose their shit, and the 'Skins managed to hold their cool most of the game until Josh Morgan's killer penalty at the end.[/quote]

Sorry dude but I think that's just a lot of whining. The Rams endured just as horrible calls as we did. The TD pass in the 1st quarter ruled out of bounds was a TD no two ways about it. Fisher should have challenged, but the bottom line that's a TD the Rams deserved. Jackson's run was probably a TD as well, and when he lost it Fisher immediately benched him. I don't think the Rams were unsportsmanlike today. They played far more physical than we did, period. A lot of that has to do with coaching, and indeed we were totally out-coached today. The Rams deserved the win...no excuses.

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[quote=The Goat;941487]Sorry dude but I think that's just a lot of whining. The Rams endured just as horrible calls as we did. The TD pass in the 1st quarter ruled out of bounds was a TD no two ways about it. Fisher should have challenged, but the bottom line that's a TD the Rams deserved. [B]Jackson's run was probably a TD as well, and when he lost it Fisher immediately benched him.[/B] I don't think the Rams were unsportsmanlike today. They played far more physical than we did, period. A lot of that has to do with coaching, and indeed we were totally out-coached today. The Rams deserved the win...no excuses.[/quote]

Well after the game, Fisher said Jackson suffered a groin injury.

I absolutely thought the Rams were unsportsmanlike today...I don't even think there was a question about it. Having said that, I don't think the replacement refs had any effect on the outcome of the game. The Rams were robbed of two TDs and assisted the Redskins on at least one scoring drive with a dubious call. The Redskins were also victims of awful calls (Fletcher's phantom late hit) and missed calls the other way, but at the end of the day, both teams suffered from the refs.

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[quote=Ruhskins;941482]I really hope the sports media makes a bigger deal out of this replacement refs situation. I just don't know what else can happen. The mistakes made by the refs have gotten worst and I hope someone calls out the league for it.[/quote]

I'm with you. We need a media poop-storm over the issue. Then maybe the NFL bosses will be too embarrassed not to make a move.

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[quote=Ruhskins;941482]I really hope the sports media makes a bigger deal out of this replacement refs situation. I just don't know what else can happen. The mistakes made by the refs have gotten worst and I hope someone calls out the league for it.[/quote]


this......

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[quote=The Goat;941487]Sorry dude but I think that's just a lot of whining. The Rams endured just as horrible calls as we did. The TD pass in the 1st quarter ruled out of bounds was a TD no two ways about it. Fisher should have challenged, but the bottom line that's a TD the Rams deserved. Jackson's run was probably a TD as well, and when he lost it Fisher immediately benched him. I don't think the Rams were unsportsmanlike today. They played far more physical than we did, period. A lot of that has to do with coaching, and indeed we were totally out-coached today. The Rams deserved the win...no excuses.[/quote]

I agree. I'm so tired of all the bitching about the refs. The regualr refs make shitty calls every single week. Actually we got more breaks than they did. We had plenty of chances to win this game and just didn't do it. We lost and deserved to.

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These replacement refs have no respect from the players and it shows. Sooner or later they're really going to F one of these games up bad.

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[quote=Mattyk;941553]These replacement refs have no respect from the players and it shows. Sooner or later they're really going to F one of these games up bad.[/quote]

I think they f'd our game up pretty bad. I mean the 1st quarter was an abortion and in general their lack of control and game management was glaring. I can't say we lost because of it but I am pretty sure that game yesterday is completely different if the refs do their damn job better.

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[quote=Mattyk;941553]These replacement refs have no respect from the players and it shows. Sooner or later they're really going to F one of these games up bad.[/quote]

They lost control of the game. But to me, at least yesterday, the players had no respect for each other. We lost the game with their best player benched cause he couldn't control his emotions. I hope we will see the same from our staff.

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[quote=skinsfan69;941556]They lost control of the game. But to me, at least yesterday, [B]the players had no respect for each other[/B]. We lost the game with their best player benched cause he couldn't control his emotions. I hope we will see the same from our staff.[/quote]

And that's when it's time for the refs to step in and take control of the game.

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[quote=skinsfan69;941551]I agree. I'm so tired of all the bitching about the refs. The regualr refs make shitty calls every single week. Actually we got more breaks than they did. We had plenty of chances to win this game and just didn't do it. We lost and deserved to.[/quote]

The big problem isn't the "shitty calls" because calls tend to break both ways. The problems with the refs is that they aren't controlling the game either timewise or professionalism. I forget the circumstance, but there was one forward pass, clearly forward, that bounced around and players started going after the ball because no whistle was blown. A) that allowed time to run off, and B) put's players at risk for injury when a play should have been blown dead.

These are the things that going to get players injured, and/or cause a team to lose a game based on bad time management (ie the Seahawks game last week).

Finally, you can't look at the late hit Fletcher took late in the game and say that that was an honest play. The Rams player took a cheap shot and got away with it. Not the way the NFL wants to protect players.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;941563]The big problem isn't the "shitty calls" because calls tend to break both ways. The problems with the refs is that they aren't controlling the game either timewise or professionalism. I forget the circumstance, but there was one forward pass, clearly forward, that bounced around and players started going after the ball because no whistle was blown. A) that allowed time to run off, and B) put's players at risk for injury when a play should have been blown dead.

These are the things that going to get players injured, and/or cause a team to lose a game based on bad time management (ie the Seahawks game last week).

Finally, you can't look at the late hit Fletcher took late in the game and say that that was an honest play. The Rams player took a cheap shot and got away with it. Not the way the NFL wants to protect players.[/quote]

Totally agree.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;941563]The big problem isn't the "shitty calls" because calls tend to break both ways. The problems with the refs is that they aren't controlling the game either timewise or professionalism. I forget the circumstance, but there was one forward pass, clearly forward, that bounced around and players started going after the ball because no whistle was blown. A) that allowed time to run off, and B) put's players at risk for injury when a play should have been blown dead.

These are the things that going to get players injured, and/or cause a team to lose a game based on bad time management (ie the Seahawks game last week).

Finally, you can't look at the late hit Fletcher took late in the game and say that that was an honest play. The Rams player took a cheap shot and got away with it. Not the way the NFL wants to protect players.[/quote]

I agree. They're simply not controlling the games but there's nothing we can do about it. The Baltimore game was just as bad. But right now it is what it is til the league gets a deal done. We got more called on our side yesterday.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;941563]The big problem isn't the "shitty calls" because calls tend to break both ways. The problems with the refs is that they aren't controlling the game either timewise or professionalism. I forget the circumstance, but there was one forward pass, clearly forward, that bounced around and players started going after the ball because no whistle was blown. A) that allowed time to run off, and B) put's players at risk for injury when a play should have been blown dead.

These are the things that going to get players injured, and/or cause a team to lose a game based on bad time management (ie the Seahawks game last week).

Finally, you can't look at the late hit Fletcher took late in the game and say that that was an honest play. The Rams player took a cheap shot and got away with it. Not the way the NFL wants to protect players.[/quote]


That was the BAL/PHI game. Vick threw that ball and it was clear as day not a fumble.

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[quote=The Goat;941487]Sorry dude but I think that's just a lot of whining. The Rams endured just as horrible calls as we did. The TD pass in the 1st quarter ruled out of bounds was a TD no two ways about it. Fisher should have challenged, but the bottom line that's a TD the Rams deserved. Jackson's run was probably a TD as well, and when he lost it Fisher immediately benched him. I don't think the Rams were unsportsmanlike today. They played far more physical than we did, period. A lot of that has to do with coaching, and indeed we were totally out-coached today. The Rams deserved the win...no excuses.[/quote]

I never said the refs made bad calls against us, in fact it appears you missed my point entirely. The refs made bad calls against both sides. I agree that they missed the td call, but Fisher certainly had the option to challenge and he elected not to. Jackson's run should've been from the 17 yard line, because the refs didn't penalize Jeff Fisher 15 yards for challenging an automatically reviewed play, so that entire sequence of events was ****ed up. And he was pulled from the game because he had a groin injury, not because Fisher benched him for spiking the ball. Might want to read up on that, yeah? And I agree with you in that they were more physical, but they were definitely more physical after the whistle too, as well as taking every opportunity they could to talk shit to our guys to get them to retaliate.

I agree we were out-coached, but for far different reasons. They knew how to gameplan for Haz's defense from the start, and he never adjusted because he apparently doesn't adjust. As far as offense goes, not much was working. The Rams sent pressure on anything longer than a 3 step drop, and even screens weren't working. They were just ready for what we tried to do. But the offense still put up 21 points, and we had a 21-6 lead. That was plenty enough to win the game right there, but the defense couldn't hold them.

At the end of the day though, the thing with the refs that most concerns me is their failure to maintain control throughout the game. There was a lot of cheap shots going on, post-whistle scrums, and I felt like it was obvious they were trying to get away with a lot more stuff than they'd try to do if the normal refs were in there. I'm not concerned about the calls, because like I said there were plenty of bad calls on both sides.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;941563]The big problem isn't the "shitty calls" because calls tend to break both ways. The problems with the refs is that they aren't controlling the game either timewise or professionalism. I forget the circumstance, but there was one forward pass, clearly forward, that bounced around and players started going after the ball because no whistle was blown. A) that allowed time to run off, and B) put's players at risk for injury when a play should have been blown dead.

These are the things that going to get players injured, and/or cause a team to lose a game based on bad time management (ie the Seahawks game last week).

Finally, you can't look at the late hit Fletcher took late in the game and say that that was an honest play. The Rams player took a cheap shot and got away with it. Not the way the NFL wants to protect players.[/quote]

This.

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[quote=Mechanix544;937412]The longer that this goes on, the more and more calls will be blown, and people's opinions of them the longer they are on the field will plummet, even farther than they are now. Right now, I consider this not so much a "non issue", but an overshadowed one, considering people are just so hyped up about having football back again. Once that honeymoon with the NFL comes to an end come, say, the end of week two, all of the replacement ref's blown calls will be under a mass media microscope, and people will be wanting heads.

Thats just my opinion, but I saw a poorly officialled game last night, it was not tight, alot of missed calls, and this will continue, and it will grow like a boil, until the fans and the NFL can no longer take it. Again, just my opinion, but these scabs are nowhere as proficient as the real referees, and everyone knows it. Tis just a matter of time until this thing boils over.[/quote]

And people are now surprised. It was only a matter of time ^^^^^^

Also......

Not so much they will get worse, I guess I didn't type out my thoughts precisely enough, I just mean that the situation will get worse, and even if they do a superb job calling games (which they won't), people will bitch and moan a hell of alot more than they would, just because of the fact that they are not full time referees, thus they are inefficient.

The missed calls, wrong calls, and retarded calls will happen. Its just a matter of time until a completely RIDICULOUS call occurs, after which everyone and their brother will be making this a huge issue. Just the fact that they are considered replacements makes it unfair for them, especially when disecting their calls in hindsight. Analysts and fans alike will scrutinize their calls more methodically and meticulously, until the only option the NFL has is to get the professionals back in the stripes.

I wholeheartedly believe that the refs are just biding their time until retarded and ridiculous calls get made in multiple games in the same week, and that will be magnified and pointed to by all (Players, coaches, ex referee's, fans, EVERYONE). By waiting for the tornado of bad calls, I see the ref's gaining alot of traction in negotiations, and their leverage can only increase.

BTW - the games last week were not well officiated games. Ignoring calls just for the sake of not getting them incorrect is a recipe for disaster. The ones yesterday were about 50 times worse than last week, and this is exactly what I meant about them getting worse. The calls would get worse, and then as time goes by, the outcry will become deafening. I can see the real refs getting whatever they want this week. If they don't get what they ask, I can at least guarantee that their deal will be a little sweeter given the atrocious calls made yesterday.