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Half the GOP is screaming the other half are trying to find the coolaid ,facts are this will help people....don't like it come up with something better.People will now go to the doctors to prvent from getting sick ...not waiting till it's to late,people with spouse's can now stay at home to care for a wife ...or get another job not worring weather their husband or wife will be coverd,....oh yeah and the cost will come down for insurance.......,but Obama...is the devil,if you don't like ....tuff.:cool-smil

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[quote=NC_Skins;923110]Wait, so these people are now going to go out and vote for the guy who originated this health care system? :laughing2


Wouldn't surprise me people are that idiotic. DAMN YOU OBAMA FOR YOUR OBAMACARE! JUST FOR THAT, I'M GOING TO ELECT THE GUY WHO CREATED THE VERY SYSTEM YOU IMPLEMENTED!! THAT'LL SHOW YOU!![/quote]AS USUAL, YOU OVERSIMPLY CRAP AND ASSUME ANYONE WHO DOESN'T AGREE WITH YOU IS "IDIOTIC".

Obamacare and Romneycare have very key differences, for those who like facts rather than all caps and condescending BS, here's some good info:

[URL="http://mittromneyandhealthcare.blogspot.com/p/romneycare-vs-obamacare.html"]Mitt Romney and Healthcare: Romneycare Vs. Obamacare[/URL]

[URL="http://spectator.org/archives/2012/02/15/obamacare-vs-romneycare-a-cruc/1"]The American Spectator : Obamacare vs. Romneycare -- A Crucial Difference[/URL]

[URL="http://mittromneycentral.com/resources/romneycare/"]RomneyCare - The Truth about Massachusetts Health Care | Mitt Romney Central[/URL]
Pay particular attention to point #6, Romney's vetoes that were over-ridden by a Dem state legislature.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;923118]AS USUAL, YOU OVERSIMPLY CRAP AND ASSUME ANYONE WHO DOESN'T AGREE WITH YOU IS "IDIOTIC".

Obamacare and Romneycare have very key differences, for those who like facts rather than all caps and condescending BS, here's some good info:

[URL="http://mittromneyandhealthcare.blogspot.com/p/romneycare-vs-obamacare.html"]Mitt Romney and Healthcare: Romneycare Vs. Obamacare[/URL]

[URL="http://spectator.org/archives/2012/02/15/obamacare-vs-romneycare-a-cruc/1"]The American Spectator : Obamacare vs. Romneycare -- A Crucial Difference[/URL]

[URL="http://mittromneycentral.com/resources/romneycare/"]RomneyCare - The Truth about Massachusetts Health Care | Mitt Romney Central[/URL]
Pay particular attention to point #6, Romney's vetoes that were over-ridden by a Dem state legislature.[/quote]

Sammy you say facts yet you posted a link to Romney web page.....oh I'm sure that is full of facts.:doh:

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I don't expect Romney to make this the center piece of his campaign and I certainly don't expect it to energize the base like some here think it will. Fact is millions upon millions have been helped by this law. That's not even in dispute. Now that it's been deemed constitutional by the highest court in the land, that too is off the table.

So exactly what is the argument that's going to fire up the base? A bunch of fancy charts, graphs, and Ops written by some egg heads at Heritage Foundation? Yeah, good luck with that.

It's the law of the land. Could use some improvements, but this thing is set in stone. Get over it.

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[quote=Giantone;923120]Sammy you say facts yet you posted a link to Romney web page.....oh I'm sure that is full of facts.:doh:[/quote]Rather than dismiss the links, how about you read them and research the info to see if it's correct.....:doh:

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[quote=12thMan;923121]I don't expect Romney to make this the center piece of his campaign and [B]I certainly don't expect it to energize the base like some here think it will.[/B] Fact is millions upon millions have been helped by this law. That's not even in dispute. Now that it's been deemed constitutional by the highest court in the land, that too is off the table.

So exactly what is the argument that's going to fire up the base? A bunch of fancy charts, graphs, and Ops written by some egg heads at Heritage Foundation? Yeah, good luck with that.

It's the law of the land. Could use some improvements, but this thing is set in stone. Get over it.[/quote]You check Romney's fundraising numbers today?

The gov't forcing people to buy health insurance or pay a penalty...tax...or whatever Obama calls it today fires people up. The gov't forcing religious based charities and hospitals to violate their deeply held beliefs or be fined out of existence fires people up.

This certainly ain't anywhere near close to over.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;923118]AS USUAL, YOU OVERSIMPLY CRAP AND ASSUME ANYONE WHO DOESN'T AGREE WITH YOU IS "IDIOTIC".

Obamacare and Romneycare have very key differences, for those who like facts rather than all caps and condescending BS, here's some good info:

[URL="http://mittromneyandhealthcare.blogspot.com/p/romneycare-vs-obamacare.html"]Mitt Romney and Healthcare: Romneycare Vs. Obamacare[/URL]

[URL="http://spectator.org/archives/2012/02/15/obamacare-vs-romneycare-a-cruc/1"]The American Spectator : Obamacare vs. Romneycare -- A Crucial Difference[/URL]

[URL="http://mittromneycentral.com/resources/romneycare/"]RomneyCare - The Truth about Massachusetts Health Care | Mitt Romney Central[/URL]
Pay particular attention to point #6, Romney's vetoes that were over-ridden by a Dem state legislature.[/quote]

Interesting stuff on the Romney vetoes, Sammy. I didn't know about them. Thanks for that.

The Romneycare vs. Obamacare link is less helpful as it oversimplifies things in my eyes. For example, the "bipartisan support" part when the legislature was 87% Democrat. That's not exactly the same "bipartisan" reality that one finds on Capitol Hill.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;923118]AS USUAL, YOU OVERSIMPLY CRAP AND ASSUME ANYONE WHO DOESN'T AGREE WITH YOU IS "IDIOTIC".[/quote]

You oversimplified my statement in which I oversimplified. I have never insinuated that because you don't agree with me, it means you are a idiot. I said,(or implied rather) that if you aren't going to vote for Obama based on the national healthcare program, but are planning on voting for Romney, who is the founder of such program, it's pretty idiotic.





[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;923118]Obamacare and Romneycare have very key differences, for those who like facts rather than all caps and condescending BS, here's some good info:

Pay particular attention to point #6, Romney's vetoes that were over-ridden by a Dem state legislature.[/quote]

You might as well have linked me to FOX News Sammy. You expect me to believe he's going to put ANYTHING remotely bad on his major website? No, he's going to slant it to make it look like he's the guy you should be voting for. Take this for example.

[IMG]http://pages.suddenlink.net/nazgull/Romneycare.jpg[/IMG]

Strong bipartisan support? Is that why they overrode his vetoes? Also, is he really going to compare the state run government bipartisan levels to that on the national level? ....lol I think we all know the GOP goes out of it's way to stonewall anybody not in their group. Why? So they can point a finger come next election and SAY LOOK!! HE"S DONE NOTHING!


[IMG]http://pages.suddenlink.net/nazgull/Romneycare2.jpg[/IMG]

Look at the word play here. "A mere modest 1% of the state budget". Notice he doesn't use overall numbers like he did with the national bill (500 BILLION). Also, isn't cutting Medicare by 500 billion a good thing to you GOPers?

[IMG]http://pages.suddenlink.net/nazgull/Romneycare3.jpg[/IMG]

LOOK GUYS! IT"S INTENDED AS A SOCIALISM!!! Who cares how long the bill was? You mean to tell me that 70 page bill is more detailed than that 2,074 bill? Doubt it. I'm willing to bet you that everything on the right side could be applied on the left side as well, but you know they aren't going to put that in. The bill was probably so long because it ended up with billions in pork.
[url=http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2009/07/09/in_health_bill_billions_for_parks_paths/]In health bill, billions for parks, paths - The Boston Globe[/url]


As far as your point #6, lets look at what amendments he vetoed.

[quote]Romney vetoed eight sections of the health care legislation, including a $295-per-person fee on businesses with 11 employees or more that do not provide health insurance.[47][48] Romney also vetoed provisions providing dental and eyeglass benefits to poor residents on the Medicaid program, and providing health coverage to senior and disabled legal immigrants not eligible for federal Medicaid.[49][50] However, the state legislature overrode all of the vetoes.[51]
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governorship_of_Mitt_Romney#Health_care]Governorship of Mitt Romney - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]
[/quote]


Puhleease. Give a friggin break Sammy. For all intents and purposes, the Obamacare and Romneycare are THE SAME THING. You can nickle and dime the few discrepancies, but a spade is still a spade bro.

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[quote=Giantone;923120]Sammy you say facts yet you posted a link to Romney web page.....oh I'm sure that is full of facts.:doh:[/quote]

:lol:

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You guys are just playing a game semantics. The fact of the matter is republicans thought of and inspired the individual mandate and Romney was the first politician to bring us closer to universal healthcare. I think reasonable can agree that Romney is not the ideal vanguard of the anti-obamacare movement. A simple message wins the day and Romney's messages is not going to be simpler than Obama's on healthcare.

It is not the second quarter, there 1 sec left in the game and one last hail marry play remains. The filibuster is a deadly play. Healthcare is here to stay move the **** on.

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[quote=NC_Skins;923129]You oversimplified my statement in which I oversimplified. I have never insinuated that because you don't agree with me, it means you are a idiot. I said,(or implied rather) that if you aren't going to vote for Obama based on the national healthcare program, but are planning on voting for Romney, who is the founder of such program, it's pretty idiotic. [/quote]In your mind Obamacare & Romneycare are the same, in evaluating the details they are different.

You can capitalize sentences and throw around your normal rhetoric, bottom line is a majority in this country don't want Obamacare, Romney is the alternative, and we'll see how this plays out in Nov.

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[url=http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/28/oreilly-promised-to-apologize-for-being-an-idiot-if-heath-law-was-upheld/]O’Reilly promised to ‘apologize for being an idiot’ if heath law was upheld | The Raw Story[/url]

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;923141]In your mind Obamacare & Romneycare are the same, in evaluating the details they are different.

You can capitalize sentences and throw around your normal rhetoric, bottom line is a majority in this country don't want Obamacare, Romney is the alternative, and we'll see how this plays out in Nov.[/quote]


Sammy in base they are the same,like it or not.Yes there are some differences in language and such...but make no mistake they are based on the same thing.When I retire in 36 months I'll have to pay 1200 a month for health care for my wife and myself and does'nt include .....what I call healthy care "preventative" care ,my wife has had 2 bouts of skin cancer once others see that word either they won't accept her or will not pay for any treatment related to it.
In 1994 my dad sufferd a stroke and 4 days after he was released home(bed ridden and unable to talk or walk)Blue Cross of New York dropped him....my Mom lost our family home becuase of this,now yes she was mad and fought back and in 7 years won, now that was 2 years after dad had passed and the house was gone to pay bills,sorry for the tiraid but under this new bill that can't happen and that's good.

P.S....the majority in this country "DO" want Obamacare as you put it....they just don't want what the GOP is selling it as.

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[quote=NC_Skins;923143][URL="http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/28/oreilly-promised-to-apologize-for-being-an-idiot-if-heath-law-was-upheld/"]O’Reilly promised to ‘apologize for being an idiot’ if heath law was upheld | The Raw Story[/URL][/quote]


Jon Stewart is great on this........



[url=http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/28/jon-stewart-mocks-reactions-to-the-health-care-ruling/]Jon Stewart mocks reactions to the health care ruling | The Raw Story[/url]

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[url=http://news.yahoo.com/time-side-conservatives-feel-betrayed-john-roberts-223111651.html]Time Is on His Side: Conservatives Feel Betrayed by John Roberts - Yahoo! News[/url]

Of course its Rush who fires the first shot. Love it

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[quote=Chico23231;923153][url=http://news.yahoo.com/time-side-conservatives-feel-betrayed-john-roberts-223111651.html]Time Is on His Side: Conservatives Feel Betrayed by John Roberts - Yahoo! News[/url]

[B]Of course its Rush who fires the first shot. Love it[/B][/quote]

Limbaugh said that if the ACA goes into effect, he's moving to Costa Rica. Costa Rica has universal health care. The hypocrisy in his statement is rich.

[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;923141]In your mind Obamacare & Romneycare are the same, in evaluating the details they are different.

You can capitalize sentences and throw around your normal rhetoric, bottom line is a majority in this country don't want Obamacare, Romney is the alternative, and we'll see how this plays out in Nov.[/QUOTE]

This isn't going to be the main issue in November. Its going to be the economy.

Also if "America" doesn't want this then why did its elected officials, which represent the people, pass it?

Sounds like a cop out argument/response to me.

[QUOTE=saden1;923131]You guys are just playing a game semantics. The fact of the matter is republicans thought of and inspired the individual mandate and Romney was the first politician to bring us closer to universal healthcare. I think reasonable can agree that Romney is not the ideal vanguard of the anti-obamacare movement. A simple message wins the day and Romney's messages is not going to be simpler than Obama's on healthcare.

It is not the second quarter, there 1 sec left in the game and one last hail marry play remains. The filibuster is a deadly play. Healthcare is here to stay move the **** on.[/QUOTE]

Didn't Gingrich, when in the House, propose the individual mandate?

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[quote=Giantone;923148]Jon Stewart is great on this........



[url=http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/28/jon-stewart-mocks-reactions-to-the-health-care-ruling/]Jon Stewart mocks reactions to the health care ruling | The Raw Story[/url][/quote]

As usual Stewart (and Colbert) cuts through the bullsh*t and hits the nail on the head:

“So you’re going to keep everything but the mandate, A.K.A the thing that pays for all of it?” Stewart wondered. “So the fiscally responsible Republican is saying, don’t worry, you’re going to get all the goodies, but not the bill. Cus that would be taxes, and that is tyranny.”


The hypocracy by the GOP is amazing on this issue. Whats more amazing is if you ask them "whats your health plan?", they have none.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;923123]You check Romney's fundraising numbers today?

The gov't forcing people to buy health insurance or pay a penalty...tax...or whatever Obama calls it today fires people up. [B]The gov't forcing religious based charities and hospitals to violate their deeply held beliefs or be fined out of existence fires people up.[/B]

This certainly ain't anywhere near close to over.[/quote]

When religions start paying some taxes in this country they can have a say about that, until then -- offer contraceptives. They're not forcing anyone to USE them, just OFFER them to people interested.

It's very simple -- we're the only first world nation without some sort of universal healthcare solution. Our medical care is lagging behind a majority of the world. Socialized programs aren't perfect, but there's a reason why many of them dominate the best healthcare rankings in the world. Take a look at France sometime.

It comes down to this -- we're forcing insurance companies to insure everyone. That means they have to take a risk, to help counteract that risk, everyone HAS to have insurance. It's fair and good for our country. We need to start focusing our efforts on infrastructure, education, and the general welfare of our people.

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[quote=Giantone;923147]Sammy in base they are the same,like it or not.Yes there are some differences in language and such...but make no mistake they are based on the same thing.When I retire in 36 months I'll have to pay 1200 a month for health care for my wife and myself and does'nt include .....what I call healthy care "preventative" care ,my wife has had 2 bouts of skin cancer once others see that word either they won't accept her or will not pay for any treatment related to it.
In 1994 my dad sufferd a stroke and 4 days after he was released home(bed ridden and unable to talk or walk)Blue Cross of New York dropped him....my Mom lost our family home becuase of this,now yes she was mad and fought back and in 7 years won, now that was 2 years after dad had passed and the house was gone to pay bills,sorry for the tiraid but under this new bill that can't happen and that's good.

P.S....the majority in this country "DO" want Obamacare as you put it....they just don't want what the GOP is selling it as.[/quote]I'm very sorry to hear about your family's issues with the health care system. I'm no fan of status quo either, I have a firsthand experience very similar to what you experienced with your father, coincidentally in the eary '90s as well.

The system needs changes, but Obamacare is not the way. Also, if you checked the links I originally posted it's pretty clear the majority do not want Obamacare as it stands today.

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[quote=Daseal;923160]When religions start paying some taxes in this country they can have a say about that, until then -- offer contraceptives. They're not forcing anyone to USE them, just OFFER them to people interested. [/quote]So to have universal healthcare/Obamacare, you're willing to throw out the protection of Freedom of Religion in the 1st Ammendment. So unless religious institutions pay a "fine", "tax", or whatever you want to call it, they are forced to violate deeply held core religious beliefs?

You understand the HHS mandate also requires for sterilization and the abortion drugs, correct. This isn't about contraception, it's about people being FORCED to violate their religious beliefs.

You may not care about this, but you're barking WAAAAYYYY up the wrong tree on this one.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;923162] So unless religious institutions pay a "fine", "tax", or whatever you want to call it, they are forced to violate deeply held core religious beliefs?

You understand the HHS mandate also requires for sterilization and the abortion drugs, correct. This isn't about contraception, it's about people being FORCED to violate their religious beliefs.

You may not care about this, but you're barking WAAAAYYYY up the wrong tree on this one.[/quote]



...but Christians don't mind when they force other people onto THEIR beliefs. (abortion/gay marriage)


Funny how that works.


IT"S OK IF I VIOLATE YOUR RIGHTS DUE TO MY RELIGION BUT YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO DO THE SAME!!! (condescending tone intended)

Christians have and will continue to be some of the biggest hypocrites I have ever encountered. (this is purely a statement on MY experiences)

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;923161]The system needs changes, but Obamacare is not the way. Also, if you checked the links I originally posted it's pretty clear the majority do not want Obamacare as it stands today.[/quote]


It's not pretty clear. What is clear is that many people that do oppose it think it doesn't go far enough. Look, I have polls too!

[url=http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/01/12/cbs-poll-for-many-health-care-reform-does-not-go-far-enough/]CBS Poll: For Many, Health Care Reform Does Not Go Far Enough | FDL Action[/url]

[quote]The most interesting questions in the poll were about whether people think reform went far enough or went too far: When asked about trying to “provide health insurance to as many Americans as possible,” 32% said that the plan goes too far, 35% said it doesn’t go far enough, and 22% said it is about right.[/quote]



If you claim the system needs changing, but Obamacare is not the way, then why in the hell hasn't the GOP or any other talking head conservative come up with a plan? Oh I know why, because they don't want one. That's why.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;923123]You check Romney's fundraising numbers today?

The gov't forcing people to buy health insurance or pay a penalty...tax...or whatever Obama calls it today fires people up. The gov't forcing religious based charities and hospitals to violate their deeply held beliefs or be fined out of existence fires people up.

This certainly ain't anywhere near close to over.[/quote]

We've been going around and around on this for a few years now.

So, the thing that Mitt Romney did in Massachusetts is now constitutional for the nation, making his entire argument one of philosophy. I don't see how the animates the race long-term. Can't wait to hear Romney explain that and keep the base fired up.

Yesterday was a clear win for Americans, Obama and, yes, liberals. We won. It's as simple as that. No spin. See you in November.

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[quote=Lotus;923109]The ACA became law through legislative vote and approval by the Supreme Court. These are democratic processes. The ACA was adopted by democratic process, end of story.

[B]We know it was a democratic process because the individual mandate was not part of Obama's original plan[/B].[/quote]

Not sure what your talking about but the mandate is the only way Obama plan would ever work.

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[quote=NC_Skins;923165]It's not pretty clear. What is clear is that many people that do oppose it think it doesn't go far enough. Look, I have polls too!

[URL="http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/01/12/cbs-poll-for-many-health-care-reform-does-not-go-far-enough/"]CBS Poll: For Many, Health Care Reform Does Not Go Far Enough | FDL Action[/URL]





If you claim the system needs changing, but Obamacare is not the way, then why in the hell hasn't the GOP or any other talking head conservative come up with a plan? Oh I know why, because they don't want one. That's why.[/quote]

The right has presented several plans.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;923060]They are also one of the states with the highest cost of living. Your point?

[URL="http://www.cnbc.com/id/43484111/The_Most_Expensive_States_To_Live_In_2011?slide=2"]News Headlines[/URL]



Let's delve further into your claim about the health insurance and see what we can find. Oooo...lookie here. I want you to read the whole article so that why you won't be propagating misleading info.

[URL="http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/health/health_stew/2011/11/does_massachusetts_have_the_na.html"]Does Massachusetts Have the Nation’s Highest Health Insurance Premiums? It Depends. - Health Stew - Boston.com[/URL]




Checkmate.[/QUOTE

Well I guess you can also explain why the Mass. healthcare cost are increasing faster then the national average.

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[quote=firstdown;923169]The right has presented several plans.[/quote]

Links? Cliff notes?

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[quote=firstdown;923171]Well I guess you can also explain why the Mass. healthcare cost are increasing faster then the national average.[/quote]

In case you missed it one more time. Far and away better than most states it seems, but you GOPers like to try and use numbers to skew things.

[IMG]http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/health/health_stew/Figure%206.jpeg.png[/IMG]

Nice try. (not really)

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[quote=NC_Skins;923164]...but Christians don't mind when they force other people onto THEIR beliefs. (abortion/gay marriage)

Funny how that works.

IT"S OK IF I VIOLATE YOUR RIGHTS DUE TO MY RELIGION BUT YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO DO THE SAME!!! (condescending tone intended)
[/quote]Last I checked there was no right to abortion or gay marriage in the Constitution or Bill of Rights. Also, while most Christians are opposed to gay marriage, I haven't seen any calls from organized religion for fines on any gay rights organizations.

As far as abortion goes most Christians view abortion as taking a human life....I guess unborn children have no right to [B]LIFE[/B], Liberty, or the Pursuit of Happiness. Wanting to stop or limit the killing of innocent life and lobbying the government to restrict these procedures is vastly different from a government forcing religious organizations to provide contraception, sterilization and abortion drugs or being fined out of existence.

I know your views will never change, because in your mind you're always right/ But for others who have interest here's where the Catholic Church stands on the issue.
[URL]http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/religious-liberty/conscience-protection/upload/Twelve-Things-Everyone-Should-Know-About-the-Contraceptive-Mandate.pdf[/URL]

Good luck to Obama and the left, pissing off 60M+ Americans who are normally split close down the middle D/R.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;923184]Good luck to Obama and the left, pissing off 60M+ Americans who are normally split close down the middle D/R.[/quote]


For the record, I'm against Obama.


I posted a link in the Presidential thread that can give you many reasons to hate his Presidency, which I have. His health care is actually one of the positives. It's not perfect, but it's better than what any other president or congressman has done.

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[quote=NC_Skins;923172]Links? Cliff notes?[/quote]

well one passed lil Bush where he litterally let lobbies write up the perscription bill plane, which has exceeded cost, think that was 2003.

Nothing else substantial or serious other than cutting medicare and medicade, which cutting is not a plan.

Avg industrial nation spends bout 11-12% on health care (a staggering amount imo). We have had no plan approach and our costs are approaching 18%. That cost will only rise but our country has a massive and I mean MASSIVE all caps massive (the most serious) baby boomer generation retiring, those costs will only increase.

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[quote=Chico23231;923187]well one passed lil Bush where he litterally let lobbies write up the perscription bill plane, which has exceeded cost, think that was 2003.

Nothing else substantial or serious other than cutting medicare and medicade, which cutting is not a plan.

Avg industrial nation spends bout 11-12% on health care (a staggering amount imo). [B]We have had no plan approach and our costs are approaching 18%. That cost will only rise but our country has a massive and I mean MASSIVE all caps massive (the most serious) baby boomer generation retiring, those costs will only increase[/B].[/quote]These are no where near actual legislation, but key points of GOP plans:

[URL]http://camp.house.gov/UploadedFiles/Summary_of_Republican_Alternative_Health_Care_plan.pdf[/URL]

[url=http://www.gop.gov/indepth/pledge/healthcare]Repeal and Replace the Job-Destroying Health Care Law - A Pledge to America - GOP.gov[/url]

Agree 100% on bolded point, and lil Bush should've never pushed the prescription drug plan.

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[quote=12thMan;923167]See you in November.[/quote]In the spirit of Chris Christie opening up sportsbooks in NJ, the SS33 Presidential Election window is still open for those over-confident souls who wish to donate :)

and I promise no tweets in Nov with b****s or m********r references.

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[quote=NC_Skins;923174]In case you missed it one more time. Far and away better than most states it seems, but you GOPers like to try and use numbers to skew things.

[IMG]http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/health/health_stew/Figure%206.jpeg.png[/IMG]

Nice try. (not really)[/quote]

Most of Romney Care did not kick in until 2009.

Bad Try. (really bad)

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[QUOTE=firstdown;923198]Most of Romney Care did not kick in until 2009.

[B][B]Bad Try. (really bad[/B])[/[/B]QUOTE]

lol

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[quote=Chico23231;923202][QUOTE=firstdown;923198]Most of Romney Care did not kick in until 2009.

[B][B]Bad Try. (really bad[/B])[/[/B]QUOTE]

lol[/quote]



It's an endless game where they give all the blame and none of the glory and vice versa.

They have rallied behind Romney now, his shamefulness is invisible to them and they are in man on a mission mode. It's quite comical and sad to see them try to make him look pretty for the November dance.

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[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;923197]In the spirit of Chris Christie opening up sportsbooks in NJ, the SS33 Presidential Election window is still open for those over-confident souls who wish to donate :)

and I promise no tweets in Nov with b****s or m********r references.[/QUOTE

I'm by no means over-confident. But as of today, I don't see Romney's path to victory and neither does his campaign.

What's the bet anyway?

Re: Supreme Court Upholds Health Care Mandate
 

[quote=firstdown;923198]Most of Romney Care did not kick in until 2009.

Bad Try. (really bad)[/quote]

[url=http://www.commonwealthfund.org/usr_doc/site_docs/slideshows/PremiumTrends2011/PremiumTrends2011.html]Premium Trends 2011[/url]


Here is 2010 data, and I imagine it'll be the same for 2011. I can do this all day long.



Nice try [I]again[/I]. (no seriously not really)



How about you provide proof instead of me doing all your work for you. You want to paint that Mass is paying the highest rates, but fail to see they have the highest income AND that they actually pay less than most states as a percentage of income.