re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

I can't remember the last time a truly great QB was going to be out on the street waiting for anyone to sign him. Maybe an old Joe Montana? Or Farve I guess. Brees wasn't the player he is now.

I think it comes down to Miami and us. KC and Az is too cheap to pay him. Do the Jets even have the cap room?

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

Although I just had this thought. We'd troll those covetous Ravens fans sooo hard if we got Manning.

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=Dirtbag59;892764]To get Manning to come to your neck of the woods you need to assure him that you'll be putting all your resources into building a winner for the coming year, at the very least. That means all free agents and early draft picks go towards guys that can make an immediate impact. So in terms of getting RG3, no. Heck it's possibly you might not even be able to get Tannehill.

As Smoot alluded to before. Signing Manning could easily mean a Manning-Cousins QB stable.[/quote]

Or you can use RGIII as a "wildcat" guy for immediate impact.

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=whistler;892765]Bad news fans, the skins[B] aren't going to give enough to get Griffin[/B], Manning doesn't fit the offense, Flynn is not that good, it will be the new "clipboard holder" Tannehil...and some other back-up plan probably Orton. Get ready to draft the short USC qb next year and 5-11 this year.[/quote]

Is that based off a source or is that an opinion?

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=VTSkins1961;892762]As great as Manning is, he does not fit the redskins system. It would take a lot of work for both Shanahan's and Manning to make this work. Also there is the health issue....[/quote]

That's why I'd pass. This has disaster written all over it.

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=Dirtbag59;892769]Is that based off a source or is that an opinion?[/quote]

Dont feed the troll.

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

I don't think Manning would ever let a situation fall apart on him and result in a long losing streak, but then again, I thought McNabb did a decent job of preventing the season from falling apart, and he was sent to the bench for his efforts, twice.

I'm not saying Manning wouldn't be more successful than McNabb (I think it's a foregone conclusion he would be more successful), but I don't think he would be beyond the Shanahammer if it was deemed that Manning wasn't getting the most out of his team.

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

Something's still not adding up.

Why would Manning attend a presser with Irsay if he's going elsewhere. Makes no sense at all.

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

Peyton is SPECIAL. IF he is healthy enough to play, you take a chance on him. I think Peyton would carve up the NFC East defenses on a regular basis. Even if we made NO other improvements (which we undoubtedly will), how many more games do you think we would have won this year if we had a healthy Peyton instead of Grossman/Beck?

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

My guess who has the best shot to land Manning:

1. Arizona
2. Jets
3. Chiefs
4. Fins
5. Skins

Skins will be in the discussion, but I still think the focus will be to move up and get RG3. I think that appeals more to Shanny at this point.

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

I can't belive nobody has said this before now........

VET MIN???

[QUOTE=whistler;892765]Bad news fans, the skins aren't going to give enough to get Griffin, Manning doesn't fit the offense, Flynn is not that good, it will be the new "clipboard holder" Tannehil...and some other back-up plan probably Orton. Get ready to draft the short USC qb next year and 5-11 this year.[/QUOTE]

5-11 wont be bad enough to get Barkley next year.

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

If Manning comes to the Redskins through free agency, I wouldn't be mad because I know what he's capable of as far as leading an offense. But at this point, I'd rather have RG3.

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

Manning sweepstakes

1. Kansas City
2. Arizona
3. Washington
4. Miami
5. Denver
6. New York Jets
7. Seattle

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=12thMan;892774]Something's still not adding up.

Why would Manning attend a presser with Irsay if he's going elsewhere. Makes no sense at all.[/quote]

Irsay can mollify Colts fans. Peyton can say goodbye. A hopeful PR win-win.

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=GTripp0012;892781]Manning sweepstakes

1. Kansas City
2. Arizona
3. Washington
4. Miami
5. Denver
6. New York Jets
7. Seattle[/quote]my guess would be arizona, simply because of the building they play in/the climate they live in to keep those muscles loose

[QUOTE=whistler;892765]Bad news fans, the skins aren't going to give enough to get Griffin, Manning doesn't fit the offense, Flynn is not that good, it will be the new "clipboard holder" Tannehil...and some other back-up plan probably Orton. Get ready to draft the short USC qb next year and 5-11 this year.[/QUOTE]

And u can go root for Dallas or something

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=GTripp0012;892781]Manning sweepstakes

1. Kansas City
2. Arizona
3. Washington
4. Miami
5. Denver
6. New York Jets
7. Seattle[/quote]

Denver could be the darkhorse. I think they got hella cap space too, a GM who wants another SB tomorrow and clearly doesnt have the patience with Tebow.

I know this might sound crazy, but if Im Baltimore Im on the phone with Manning's agent right now. You know what Ed Reed and Ray Ray are thinking, window is closing.

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

It would probably take less time to list the teams that wouldn't be interested

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=Lotus;892782]Irsay can mollify Colts fans. Peyton can say goodbye. A hopeful PR win-win.[/quote]

Yup, everyone can shake hands and walk away friends.

The fans will forgive them as soon as they get a good look at Luck on the field.

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

what exactly about manning does not fit our system? i'm thinking bootlegs, but then i think about rex grossman... someone set me straight

[QUOTE=Lotus;892782]Irsay can mollify Colts fans. Peyton can say goodbye. A hopeful PR win-win.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. They both have had plenty of time to prepare for this and I imagine both sides understand the others position even if they don't agree with it. They have had a great run together. No reason to tarnish that.

[QUOTE=los panda;892798]what exactly about manning does not fit our system? i'm thinking bootlegs, but then i think about rex grossman... someone set me straight[/QUOTE]

Dude it's peyton Manning I'm sure he doesn't have to bootleg to make our offense good

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;892801]Dude it's peyton Manning I'm sure he doesn't have to bootleg to make our offense good[/quote]right, he just has to be and remain in good condition

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=los panda;892798]what exactly about manning does not fit our system? i'm thinking bootlegs, but then i think about rex grossman... someone set me straight[/quote]

Manning's offense is extremely vertical, where as the Shanny's west coast system is crossing routes and such, also if you've ever heard little shanny he calls the play and which route to throw (very micro or anal).

[QUOTE=whistler;892809]Manning's offense is extremely vertical, where as the Shanny's west coast system is crossing routes and such, also if you've ever heard little shanny he calls the play and which route to throw (very micro or anal).[/QUOTE]

Again Kyle s offense in Houston was vertical also, and he's the OC not mike. Manning would fit in well IMO. Get him his guys at WR plus a good TE in FD and CC and let him do work

If Shanahan and son can't make Peyton F*cking Manning work out, they need to be fired period. Look at freaking Darth Hoody and all the adjustments he's made over the years and how that has resulted in a dynasty.

Sent from my Samsung Epic 4G.

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=whistler;892809]Manning's offense is extremely vertical, where as the Shanny's west coast system is crossing routes and such, also if you've ever heard little shanny he calls the play and which route to throw (very micro or anal).[/quote]you're saying he can't throw crossing routes and such?

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/54691/where-will-peyton-manning-land-2]Where will Peyton Manning land? - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN[/url]

nice little article

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

Hehe...even Jerry Rice has a say on this.

[url=http://www.insidebayarea.com/49ers/ci_20113306/jerry-rice-says-49ers-should-pursue-peyton-manning]Jerry Rice says the 49ers should pursue Peyton Manning if he becomes a free agent - Inside Bay Area[/url]

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=los panda;892812]you're saying he can't throw crossing routes and such?[/quote]

Not saying that. I am saying that the offense that he's been in since he came into the league 14yrs ago, is not and does not resemble a west coast offense, if you want the Manning that you are used to it won't be the same guy. With that said does anyone think that for the 2yrs he would be here the shanny's would alter everything? Also, the Texans ran a similar version of shanny's west coast but they went over the top because of Andre Johnson, there is no Andre Johnson in Washington.

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=los panda;892812]you're saying he can't throw crossing routes and such?[/quote]

Ridiculous. He throws the ball and someone catches it. Simple as that. System and play calling my ass. It's all football in the end.

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=los panda;892798]what exactly about manning does not fit our system? i'm thinking bootlegs, but then i think about rex grossman... someone set me straight[/quote]

Kurt Warner was just on NFL Network pointing out that it might take a coaching staff that allows Peyton to essentially run the offense to get him. I mean I guess it's possible we could sign him but based on what we've heard about the Shanahan's doesn't exactly sound like a match.

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

If Allen and Shanny think they have a good shot at getting the #2 pick in the draft, remember the "handshake deal rumor" then you pass on Manning and hope like HELL RG3 is the real deal. If you do not have a chance at RG3 then you throw the bank at Manning, draft Justin Blackmon at #6 then draft a QB in the 2nd round to develop and learn from Manning for the 2-3 years that he would be here. I know that everyone wants a franchise QB that will play for the Redskins for the next 10+ years. With that said, if we miss out on Manning and RG3 say hello to 6-10 next season. There will be nothing more frustrating in 2 years if Manning has some team in the playoffs playing great, RG3 developing into a fine NFL QB and we are still searching for a starting QB. This is the year to get a QB and there are 3-4 great/possible great ones to get, no matter the cost we HAVE TO GET ONE this offseason.

I am sick of losing

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=whistler;892809]Manning's offense is extremely vertical, where as the Shanny's west coast system is crossing routes and such, also if you've ever heard little shanny he calls the play and which route to throw (very micro or anal).[/quote]

Neither Shanahan runs a traditional west coast offense. The basic philosophy has always been run the ball and then hit the deep passes off play action. In fact it's that love for the deep ball that sees many a QB under Shanahan struggle to complete more then 60% of their passes. Even Elway. It's also part of the reason Shanahan loves QB's that can throw downfield.

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

I think it would be extremely arrogant and stupid for any team to place the importance of their system over Peyton Manning.

And despite the perception of hubris amoungst our staff namely Mike and Kyle Shanahan; I can't even imagine that they would exult their system over Peyton Manning.

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=Dirtbag59;892817]Kurt Warner was just on NFL Network p[U][B]ointing out that it might take a coaching staff that allows Peyton to essentially run the offense to get him[/B][/U]. I mean I guess it's possible we could sign him but based on what we've heard about the Shanahan's doesn't exactly sound like a match.[/quote]



n/m....read it wrong.


However, I'm sure Peyton is going to have a lot of lead way to run any offense regardless of who's it is.

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=whistler;892815]Not saying that. I am saying that the offense that he's been in since he came into the league 14yrs ago, is not and does not resemble a west coast offense, if you want the Manning that you are used to it won't be the same guy. With that said does anyone think that for the 2yrs he would be here the shanny's would alter everything? Also, the Texans ran a similar version of shanny's west coast but they went over the top because of Andre Johnson, there is no Andre Johnson in Washington.[/quote]

Peyton Manning ain't got to run no stinkin' Shanny offense. Shanny will run Peyton's offense, just like any other team that signs him.

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=whistler;892815]Not saying that. I am saying that the offense that he's been in since he came into the league 14yrs ago, is not and does not resemble a west coast offense, if you want the Manning that you are used to it won't be the same guy. With that said does anyone think that for the 2yrs he would be here the shanny's would alter everything? Also, the Texans ran a similar version of shanny's west coast but they went over the top because of Andre Johnson, there is no Andre Johnson in Washington.[/quote]

Andre Johnson has missed a lot of games over the years and their Offense remains the same. There will be a WR suitable for Manning. Skins have better TEs and the Garcons and Waynes of the world are hardly one of a kind. Add a VJax, Colston or Blackmon to Davis, Cooley,Hankerson, Gaffney and Moss, and PM has plenty of weapons. Don't think he's coming here though.

re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

Does anyone really think the Shanahans would force their offense down PM's throat without any give and take? And does anyone really think PM isn't capable of running a different offense?