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[quote=Defensewins;863083]Yeah, Carlos Rogers sucks. He is the worst CB and we should just let him walk.....
Oh, this is the bash Landry thread. I shouldn't of drank all of that cough syrup.
We 'upgraded' by getting rid of last years fall guy Carlos Rogers and replaced him with someone worse than Rogers. NOw Rogers is having a good year in SF and we are stuck with shit.
Now the impatient lynch mob now has their sights on Landry. Part of a losing team and losing culture is when things go bad everyone turns on each other. No loyalty.
Looks like Snyder has changed and is no longer an impatient child. Some of the fans have yet to change. Building a winning team takes time.[/quote]

landry only looks like a stud. without ST to cover deep, his speed is wasted by his inability to cover.
I don't think you pay a safety $36+mill for a couple highlight reel hits and a bunch of whiffing.


and I ALWAYS wanted to keep rogers, cause he was the best CB available, and failing that, I wanted to grab richard marshall. I wasn't sold on josh wilson, and he truly has been the definition of meh play at CB.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;862874]Carlos Rogers refused to agree to a reasonable deal and got his panties all wet that we didn't give him a sympathy contract. Overpaying for players is overpaying for players, regardless of whether that player was one of your own or not.[/quote]

Bad example. Looks to me he is earning the money he got.

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If I'm correct but wasn't Brian Mitchell gone before Danny took over?

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The fact is MS/ BA have already gone against the grain.

One quote in particular, infuriates me:
"Do they go against the grain of their recent history, re-signing important players cultivated by the franchise and taking care of their own?"

MS/BA recent history:
Not over pay for players
Remove bad contracts off the books
Keep true redskins like Santanna Moss
Trade down in the draft, aquire more picks and young talent
Promptly remove bad pickup off their rosters while still aquiring picks or talent

I hope they do continue to what's in the best interest of this Franchise.

The fact of the matter is Landry is a Restricted Free Agent, all the skins have to do is put out an offer sheet .If he goes elsewhere, we get draft picks This article is stupid.

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Honestly, I don't mean to sound too critical, but what has Landry done even when he was healthy this season. Let's take a look at his stats heading into week 11 against Seattle, shall we?

At this juncture, Landry only has 44 tackles, one forced fumble, 0.5 sacks, and no interceptions. Are these numbers really deserving of a player that is not only injury prone, misses games due to injury, and has missed 11 or 12 games dating back to last season seeking a new multi year deal?

I say let him walk and draft a safety or make a trade for one in 2012.

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There is no way any team is going to give Landry a lot of money given the current and last season. I just doubt any team would risk giving him a good contract, he hasn't put himself in a position to get that. Which is an advantage for the Redskins I think, because they can keep him for a reasonable contract.

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[quote=Ruhskins;863160]There is no way any team is going to give Landry a lot of money given the current and last season. I just doubt any team would risk giving him a good contract, he hasn't put himself in a position to get that. Which is an advantage for the Redskins I think, because they can keep him for a reasonable contract.[/quote]
A team will give him big money, somebody always does.

If we were an outside team 3 years ago, Laron Landry would be a Redskin. (not that he isn't)

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[quote=firstdown;863144]Bad example. Looks to me he is earning the money he got.[/quote]

He's earning it now because his FA experience "woke him up". We give him a 8 million for 4 years, and he'll be the same old 'Los because he thought that his previous level of play was plenty enough to get that 8 million.

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We need to keep LaRon. Carlos I couldn't see being that great on another team. LaRon though, I definitely could see him being good on another team. Keep him.

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By the way, today is the 4 year anniversary of Sean Taylor's death.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Remembering-Sean-Taylor-four-years-after-his-de;_ylt=AtKrJJ6Jw2YvTW_WxCCC.GdDubYF?urn=nfl-wp12545]Remembering Sean Taylor, four years after his death - Shutdown Corner - NFL Blog - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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Without a doubt we try to re-sign him. The flashes he showed all last year, and in game one this year are too good to ignore. He could break out at anytime IMO. Will it be a good re-sign where we get our money's worth? probably not because he's going to get alot of money, is inconsistent, and injury prone. But its necessary considering we have so little talent on this team. We (especially shanny who wants to keep his job) can't afford to let any talent out the door if we want to do anything but scrap our whole team and start anew.

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You offer Landry a good/fair contract and if he chooses not to take it you let him go and Dajon Ghomes becomes the starting strong safety. Either way you are building the team up w/ Redskins because we drafted both players.

The more important contract extension needs to be for Rak Daddy. The Rak Daddy/Kerrigan sack combo needs to be cemented in stone for the next 4 years till its time to resign Kerrigan.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;863170]You offer Landry a good/fair contract and if he chooses not to take it you let him go and Dajon Ghomes becomes the starting strong safety. Either way you are building the team up w/ Redskins because we drafted both players.

The more important contract extension needs to be for Rak Daddy. The Rak Daddy/Kerrigan sack combo needs to be cemented in stone for the next 4 years till its time to resign Kerrigan.[/quote]


I like your thinking here. Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan knows what the Redskins have in the secondary already and Gomes could develop into something special. And if Landry decides to move on to another team, the Redskins can already draft a safety.

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Landry's groin is now a problem. Really a shame that this year he's never been completely healthy it seems. Will make any decision on him that much tougher.

For the capologists, is it true that LL will be a [I]restricted[/I] free agent in 2012? How is that, he's played 5 years? Written into his deal as an 'option' year? I see a 1 yr. tender offer coming to him while they decide if he can stay healthy & show improvement in his game too.

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I wouldn't pay LL much at this point. Fundamentally he's the weakest safety on the roster...the latest example being the Seattle game where Landry fails to even raise his arms to make a tackle and the receiver bounces off him and runs 20+ yards. If you can't do the basics right you don't get benefit of the doubt sorry.

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[quote=freddyg12;864527]For the capologists, is it true that LL will be a [I]restricted[/I] free agent in 2012? How is that, he's played 5 years?[/quote]

Yes this is his 5th year, signed the deal in 2007.

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there was already a thread with the landry argument... slowly this is turning into that again.. name 5 safties better not named troy or reed, go for it, then let me know how we can sign them... besides that, ur wasting ur breath.

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[quote=Meks;864571]there was already a thread with the landry argument... slowly this is turning into that again.. name 5 safties better not named troy or reed, go for it, then let me know how we can sign them... besides that, ur wasting ur breath.[/quote]

You're correct we have been over this. It was easy then as it is now to think of several safeties better than LL if you follow the league (not just the Skins).

Antoine Bethea - Ind
Tyvon Branch- Oak
George WilsonB - Buf
Roman Harper - NO
Dawan Landry - Jax
Antrel Rolle - NYG
Kenny Phillips - NYG
Ryan Clark - Pit

And of course Ed and Troy top the list. LL is a top 10 safety on his best day...he's average at best on most days. Each guy on the list above has outperformed Landry since the aquillies injury hands down. Certainly there is room for personal preference as in I think Clark, Harper and Branch are actually far more talented than Laron, but the point is there's no rational argument he's better than any of these guys.

The notion Laron Landry is an elite safety or even a great safety is becoming the greatest myth in Skins history. He's not a bust as I used to believe but he was never more than a poor man's Roy Williams...now looking this way more than ever.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;864569]Yes this is his 5th year, signed the deal in 2007.[/quote]

Right, my question is how is that he's restricted after 5 years? by contract? I thought the new cba, like the old, granted free agency after 4 years.

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can't agree with a single one u just posted.

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[quote=freddyg12;864581]Right, my question is how is that he's restricted after 5 years? by contract? I thought the new cba, like the old, granted free agency after 4 years.[/quote]

Seems to apply to 5 year contracts too as per this:

"Q. What is the difference between a restricted free agent and an unrestricted free agent?

A. In the 2010 League Year, players become restricted free agents when they complete three, four or five accrued seasons and their contract expires. Unrestricted free agents have completed six or more accrued seasons."

[url=http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/]2011 NFL Free Agents, Free Agency and Free Agent Tracker[/url]

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[quote=Meks;864582]can't agree with a single one u just posted.[/quote]

Then you're not a football fan per se but a Laron Landry fan. I'm not saying one is right and one wrong but they are most definitely two different things hoss.

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[quote=Meks;864582]can't agree with a single one u just posted.[/quote]

Clark, Branch and Harper (in that order IMO) consistently make bigger hits than Landry has ever made...like in his whole career. Not to mention all three are better in coverage and far better tacklers.

The rest on the list are simply more consistent players. Better tackling. Better coverage. Less nonsense.

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lol at not being a football fan, get off ur high horse just cuz my opinion differs from yours.. i watch every game every week, clark is the only player on ur little list i give any credit to, but it also helps when u play opposite Troy. Kenny phillips, lmao yea him n antrell rolle both are just killing this year arent they? outta here wit that riff raff

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not to mention ignoring the second partof my statement, how do u suppose we sign these ppl? face it, we're not going to get any better at the position Landry is it for us. so back him, dont trash him. he's IMO alot better than you and others give him credit for.

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What we need to do is wait until some highly touted, once every twenty years he comes along phenom at FS is available in the draft. Do absolutely nothing at the FS position, hope that Landry has some career threatening injury before the summer before said phenom is available and then just sit back and let the losses roll in while then grab that stud FS with the first overall pick in the subsequent draft.

That's how you plan a winner!!!

In all seriousness, Landry frustrates the hell out of me. His speed is ridiculous, as is his strength...unfortunately, his fundamentals are a bit ridiculous too

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[quote=Meks;864594]not to mention ignoring the second partof my statement, how do u suppose we sign these ppl? face it, we're not going to get any better at the position Landry is it for us. so back him, dont trash him. he's IMO alot better than you and others give him credit for.[/quote]

What 2nd part of your statement?

No sorry I don't believe you actually watch the guys on the list, especially the three I mentioned in the follow up post, because there's really no comparison...Landry just isn't playing to nearly that level.

Per the Troy/Ryan duo I think there's a strong argument it's also Ryan allowing Troy to make the plays he does, as in they compliment each other very well. The insinuation you made that Ryan wouldn't be a great safety w/o Troy again shows you're not really paying attention to what these guys do on the field (let alone the stats).

LOL on the watching every game every week though! Sorry you're unemployed I guess ??

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[quote=SmootSmack;864597]What we need to do is wait until some highly touted, once every twenty years he comes along phenom at FS is available in the draft. Do absolutely nothing at the FS position, hope that Landry has some career threatening injury before the summer before said phenom is available and then just sit back and let the losses roll in while then grab that stud FS with the first overall pick in the subsequent draft.

That's how you plan a winner!!!

In all seriousness, Landry frustrates the hell out of me. His speed is ridiculous, as is his strength...unfortunately, his fundamentals are a bit ridiculous too[/quote]

To be sure sacrificing one season for a once-every-other-decade phenom QB is a no-brainer, but I'm not sure about safety SS? For one thing most safeties just don't have the longevity because of the toll that position takes on the body.

Can't agree on Landry's speed. He looks a step or two behind much of the time to me, which could be groin or aquilles but nonetheless it means the same thing to his on field performance.

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you have to be un-employed to watch football? wow thats news, a 9-5 m-f doesnt allow you to watch football. and I said I gave credit to Clark.. i thought it was a mistake to ever let him go.. and how do u expect to replace Landry with your list. thats the 2nd part. let it go, Landry is the best we're going to get so like i said back him dont trash him.
Still not gonna buy the list... at all.. landry has made more plays then all of them with the exception of clark probobly.

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[quote=Meks;864608]you have to be un-employed to watch football? wow thats news, a 9-5 m-f doesnt allow you to watch football. and I said I gave credit to Clark.. i thought it was a mistake to ever let him go.. and how do u expect to replace Landry with your list. thats the 2nd part. let it go, Landry is the best we're going to get so like i said back him dont trash him.
Still not gonna buy the list... at all.. landry has made more plays then all of them with the exception of clark probobly.[/quote]

The point is average-overall starter is...just...that, and shouldn't be paid like the top five guys in the league. I'm happy to keep Laron for a modest contract. Scheme-wise, finding a talented FS will help this secondary/defense far more than keeping Laron, if that helps you with perspective. He's not the sickness or the cure so to speak.

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Im a LaRon fan. I know he hasnt been very consistent but he has shown flashes when healthy. I know his health has been an issue as well. He posseses all of the ability to be an elite safety but just needs to work on his fundamentals and get in the film room!! its so frustrating to watch sometimes, i hope atogwe can teach him a few things in this department. But just food for thought, 2 drafts ago what if we selected Eric Berry in the first round, I know we would have left a hole at left tackle but i think Berry will be the next best safety without a doubt. I always find myself thinking damn what if he was in B & G. Bottom line though is we have to resign him, hes better than anyone else we would get. Dont sign him to top dollar like he wants, i dont think anyone will but sign him, it would just leave another hole to fill.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;864627]Im a LaRon fan. I know he hasnt been very consistent but he has shown flashes when healthy. I know his health has been an issue as well. He posseses all of the ability to be an elite safety but just needs to work on his fundamentals and get in the film room!! its so frustrating to watch sometimes, i hope atogwe can teach him a few things in this department. But just food for thought, 2 drafts ago what if we selected Eric Berry in the first round, I know we would have left a hole at left tackle but i think Berry will be the next best safety without a doubt. I always find myself thinking damn what if he was in B & G. Bottom line though is we have to resign him, hes better than anyone else we would get. Dont sign him to top dollar like he wants, i dont think anyone will but sign him, it would just leave another hole to fill.[/quote]

Nice post Bubba :)

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This is what PISSES ME OFF about the media. A lot of these professional athletes are out there doing great things for those in need. The only time we hear something is when one of them does something immature or stupid.

As for Landry, if we lose him it's going to be a sad day in DC. Hopefully he retires a Redskin. I still have dreams about him and #21 in same secondary. /facepalm.

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[quote=SmootSmack;864597]What we need to do is wait until some highly touted, once every twenty years he comes along phenom at FS is available in the draft. Do absolutely nothing at the FS position, hope that Landry has some career threatening injury before the summer before said phenom is available and then just sit back and let the losses roll in while then grab that stud FS with the first overall pick in the subsequent draft.

That's how you plan a winner!!!

[B]In all seriousness, Landry frustrates the hell out of me. His speed is ridiculous, as is his strength...unfortunately, his fundamentals are a bit ridiculous too[/B][/quote]

About sums it up for me too. He's a 5 year vet but doesn't show it much. In fairness to him, his 2010 season was derailed by his achilles, had he stayed healthy he might have a contract already as he was having quite a year.

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[quote=The Goat;864705]Nice post Bubba :)[/quote]

Not so nice when I said those things I guess :(

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[quote=freddyg12;864784]About sums it up for me too. He's a 5 year vet but doesn't show it much. In fairness to him, his 2010 season was derailed by his achilles, had he stayed healthy he might have a contract already as he was having quite a year.[/quote]

Yeah but he also decided to pass on having surgery which could have healed his achilles

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[quote=SmootSmack;864785]Not so nice when I said those things I guess :([/quote]

Ahhhh don't be that way SS...I was encouraging a newer member of the Warpath. You're a savvy sports guru and supposed to say the right things! ;)

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[quote=The Goat;864787]Ahhhh don't be that way SS...I was encouraging a newer member of the Warpath. You're a savvy sports guru and supposed to say the right things! ;)[/quote]

I need constant validation. It's in my contract

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[quote=The Goat;864705]Nice post Bubba :)[/quote]

Thanks man. Im not that new on here I just read way more than I post. Every now and then I like to throw my 2 cents in

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;864790]Thanks man. Im not that new on here I just read way more than I post. Every now and then I like to throw my 2 cents in[/quote]

Indeed i still read more than I post too. The banter can be...priceless!