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[quote=SmootSmack;851339]This'll be brief:

[B]Jabar Gaffney[/B] He doesn't suck. He's been, for the most part a very strong performer for us. But he made two costly errors (drop, then fumble) at the end of the first half that led to three key points-and more importantly killed any momentum for us-at the end of the first half. Of course, other receivers had poor drops but I'll just go ahead and single out JG

[B]Playing Hankerson at the End[/B] Unlike John Beck, Hank really is a rookie. Playing his first NFL game ever, I'm not sure he's the guy they should have had in there and targeting at the end of the game

[B]Josh Wilson[/B] WTF dude?! I had you pegged as a Stud this weekend!

[B]Kevin Barnes[/B] Man, was I wrong about him. I thought he'd be Carlos Rogers with hands. Instead he's Ginger Rogers with two left feet. I haven't seen worse angles since my protactor broke. And so on...but seriously. He's suppoed to be one of the smartest, and most physical players on our D and he's just stinking up the joint week after week. I don't know why Buchanon didn't really play and why they still won't activate Kareem Moore. But if there's one area where I think we are very weak and just time won't help, it's our secondary. I've never been a "Oh no. We're 3-3. Everything must be blown up. We suck so bad" kind of guy...but changes need to be made pretty much asap to our secondary.

[B]Jim Haslett[/B] Where was the zero blitz? Heck we barely blitzed at all. I know most people have a fear of zero blitz largely because of the Dallas play. But personally, I like the aggressiveness. And I understand that Cam is unlike any QB the league has seen in a long time. But it felt to me like we were playing soft against him. We should have attacked him more, give him different looks, etc. Rattle him. He's made plenty of mistakes, along with his great plays, in the beginning of this career. Seemed like we didn't really try to force him to make mistakes

[B]Wasted Opportunities[/B] You shouldn't let a team beat you when they commit 15 penalties. You just shouldn't

[B]You Yeah I'm looking at you. Your posts in the gameday thread are getting tired. Just shut up already....no don't worry, I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about you (I think we all know who you are)[/B]

[B]Me[/B] John Beck looked a lot better than I expected. Actually, I think he looked poor in the first half. Made a lot of silly mistakes. But he really stepped it up in the second half. I'm pretty confident he can be effective for us for the rest of the year.

[B]The Deep Pass[/B] Where was it? What was AA in the game for, if not to use him to stretch the field

[B]Barry Cofield[/B] Was it just me, or did it look like he was just laying on ther ground there with the fumbled ball sitting right next to him? Just stretch our hand out and we get the ball[/quote]

I 107th that and I agree with just about all of this post

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[quote=Ruhskins;851421]Everyone.[/quote]

How many playoff wins does he have w/out John Elway? Not saying the guy is bad or even average. But I'm not ready to say MS is a great head coach. There are only a select few that I would say that about.

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I hate to beat a dead horse but why is it that when we're down late in the game there is not hurry up offense? That goes on the OC and the HC.

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[quote=tc2deuce;851405]this oddly sounds like 2010......I am not saying fire Shanny but great coaches do not lose 2 straight after a bye week![/quote]Well, you can be 'not a great coach' and still not deserve to be fired. Whether you can tell everyone that you're staking your reputation on this years team, have that team not perform, and still not deserve to be fired? That's less clear to me.

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Defense. You all took horrible angles to cam newton today. First drive, they're at a 3 & 12 and we allow Cam to run left right up down side to side to a first down.



Reed Doughty- ...I know fans like you because you try hard..I know people like you because you're one of the only memorable white guys on this team. I know people like you and cheer for you because your son was really sick and you are deaf in one ear. But...you're an awful starter at Free Safety AND Strong Safety. I shouldn't be mad at you because its not you're decision to play as a starter, its the coaches, and I'm mad at them to for starting/playing you/not upgrading to a better safety than you. I would rather we play DeJon Gomes over you at safety, because he has range. You take awful angles, and get beat on play action, and by receivers left and right, you shouldn't be playing on defense, stick to being a good special teamer.


Haslett. Last week it was Kyle Shanahan. This week its you. You know what this kid can do. Arizona's God awful defense stopped him. The Falcons defense can stop you. Chicago can stop you. Green Bay could stop you (but they are really good even though their defense is statistically worse than ours). Why the hell couldn't we beat you with our great Pass rushers, good ILB's, and great SS? I just don't get it. Why is it every team that struggles really feels like they have a chance to beat the Redskins? What flaw out is it that we clearly have? One thing is our corner's. But the other is the fact that Carolina was able to go up and down the field at us. They would get field goals and kill clock. Just like last week with philly. Our defense may be good in parts or some stats, but we still get beat, and beat ourselves. Haslett has got to game plan better. (Last week you sent some All out Blitzes at Vick, some worked. This week you didn't send any. They were already beating us with the stupid blitzes you called, so you might as well should have atleast tried it.)You played the same type of QB two weeks in a row and couldn't get a single win from that. The Offense scored this week unlike last week. This week it's CLEARLY on you Haslett. I'll give you a hint. When we play Buffalo next week (and lose) don't send any corner blitzes. And be prepared to see ____ beat DeAngelo Hall and _______ beat Reed Doughty.

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[quote=skinsfan69;851463]How many playoff wins does he have w/out John Elway? Not saying the guy is bad or even average. But I'm not ready to say MS is a great head coach. There are only a select few that I would say that about.[/quote]

How many Belichick have without Tom Brady? How many did Bill Walsh have without Montana and Young? How many did Tony Dungy have without Peyton Manning?

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[quote=Beemnseven;851444]Shanahan a "great" coach? Perhaps, perhaps not. But was he the best available option after the Jim Zorn debacle?

I'd give that a "hell yeah."[/quote]I think you may be underrating the supply of guys who can coach a team at a high level. I think supply vastly exceeds demand.

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[quote=saden1;851364]Big FU goes out to Snyder for putting togther yet another shitty and heartless team. Why do we field the same trash over and over? Let's try new trash, oh wait, the result will be the same. Trash is trash.[/quote]

Rediculous...

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[quote=SmootSmack;851471]How many Belichick have without Tom Brady? How many did Bill Walsh have without Montana and Young? How many did Tony Dungy have without Peyton Manning?[/quote]

Seriously. I hate the "what has he done without Elway" argument. What if our next qb turned out to be as good as Elway? Would fans start up a "yeah, well what has he done when he didn't have (insert HOF caliber passer here)?" argument even if we were winning lots of games as a result of the excellent coach/passer combo?

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Could not agree more on the Haslett conservative scared game plan. It went against everything that they have been trying to build on defense this year. They sat back on thier heels all day as if they were playing against Tom Brady.

As for the other side of the ball...Kyle and his shotgun 3rd & 2 calls are driving me up a fkn wall. We are averaging 7 yards a carry and on 3rd and 2 in panther end of the field we go shotgun. run there or at least throw off playaction...shotgun only helps carolina defend the play. He made the same call other times in the game to.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;851350]Whole team today was poor IMO except beck TH and Davis[/quote]

I disagree about Davis. I realize he had a few good catches and a bunch of yards, but he dropped what would have been a key third down conversion that would have extended a drive when it was still a close game. We ended up giving Carolina the ball back, and they stuck it to us. It was a pass that bounced off of his hands and totally killed our momentum. No excuses. A good game isn't good enough -- you want to be elite, dude? Catch the passes that hit you in the hands EVERY TIME.

Furious about the whole effort. By the way, I disagree about Wilson. I thought he had very good positioning on Steve Smith most of the game, but between Cam's really well placed passes and Smith's crazy talent, it's just hard to stop, The bigger problem, in my view, is that Cam had all freaking day. All day. We had 4 sacks in the first half and then the pressure just stopped, and he picked us apart.

So frustrated.

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[quote=SmootSmack;851471]How many Belichick have without Tom Brady? How many did Bill Walsh have without Montana and Young? How many did Tony Dungy have without Peyton Manning?[/quote]

All fair points Smoot. But Dungy had some very good TB teams and he had them within a few points of a SB. He's the man behind the Tampa 2 defense that's used around the league by so many teams. Bill Walsh was a GREAT head coach who put a stamp on the league in so many ways. BB failed in Cleveland but he was the coordinator of some of the best defenses the league has ever seen.

After seeing MS since he's been here, I just don't put him on the level of the great head coaches that I've seen.....Gibbs 1, Walsh and there probably a few I'm leaving out.

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I thought Kyle called a decent game today. The run wasn't always there, but he gave it an honest chance. And the pass was there in the second half and he stayed with it, giving us a chance to get back in it.

Now, Kyle still makes me cringe multiple times per game and I don't think he's very good at his job. But I thought he gave us an honest chance to win the game today. Using Logan Paulsen was a good call. And Kyle didn't make Gaffney suck, he in fact went back to him after he handed Carolina three points.

I don't think he knows how to use his runningbacks to consistently run the ball, because he doesn't typically commit to it. Our best back, Helu, has two carries in two weeks. We'll never, ever, ever be a good running team under Kyle Shanahan. Houston wasn't and we won't be. He gave it an honest chance to work today. But you can't just decide in the second quarter to commit to a ground game. You need to decide that in July and August.

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[quote=calia;851481]I disagree about Davis. I realize he had a few good catches and a bunch of yards, but he dropped what would have been a key third down conversion that would have extended a drive when it was still a close game. We ended up giving Carolina the ball back, and they stuck it to us. It was a pass that bounced off of his hands and totally killed our momentum. No excuses. A good game isn't good enough -- you want to be elite, dude? Catch the passes that hit you in the hands EVERY TIME.

Furious about the whole effort. By the way, I disagree about Wilson. I thought he had very good positioning on Steve Smith most of the game, but between Cam's really well placed passes and Smith's crazy talent, it's just hard to stop, The bigger problem, in my view, is that Cam had all freaking day. All day. We had 4 sacks in the first half and then the pressure just stopped, and he picked us apart.

So frustrated.[/quote]

That's a good point on Wilson.

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I do think Kyle runs the ball to keep the defense honest. And that style of offense works in the NFL. Except when John Beck and Rex Grossman are your quarterbacks, and Santana Moss and Jabar Gaffney are your receivers. Then you just look dumb out there every week.

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[quote=GTripp0012;851487]I do think Kyle runs the ball to keep the defense honest. And that style of offense works in the NFL. Except when John Beck and Rex Grossman are your quarterbacks, and Santana Moss and Jabar Gaffney are your receivers. Then you just look dumb out there every week.[/quote]Great post, Agree 100%

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Soooo I guess the collective patience has worn thin for the rebuilding process that was the chant of favor last season?

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[quote=Hog1;851495]Soooo I guess the collective patience has worn thin for the rebuilding process that was the chant of favor last season?[/quote]

Not for me it hasn't. I'll handle the highs and lows of this season if it means we progress by next year. There's a lot of questions and problems on the roster that need to be fixed though.

For example the fact that the head coach and the offensive coordinator want to play two different styles of offense, and the offense that would work for us right now is the head coach's, while the offense that might work in future seasons with the right talent is the offensive coordinator's. Oh yeah and the head coach and offensive coordinator are father and son, which makes it more complicated.

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[quote=SmootSmack;851339][B]You[/B] Yeah I'm looking at you. Your posts in the gameday thread are getting tired. Just shut up already....no don't worry, I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about you (I think we all know who you are)[/quote]


You mean the village idiots calling for Snyder to come in after the season and clean house?

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[quote=NC_Skins;851499]You mean the village idiots calling for Snyder to come in after the season and clean house?[/quote]

To be fair, that was only one village idiot (that I am aware of).

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[quote=mooby;851498]Not for me it hasn't. I'll handle the highs and lows of this season if it means we progress by next year. There's a lot of questions and problems on the roster that need to be fixed though.

For example the fact that the head coach and the offensive coordinator want to play two different styles of offense, and the offense that would work for us right now is the head coach's, while the offense that might work in future seasons with the right talent is the offensive coordinator's. Oh yeah and the [B]head coach and offensive coordinator are father and son[/B], which makes it more complicated.[/quote]
I'm sure it complicates things....HTTR

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[quote=SmootSmack;851471]How many Belichick have without Tom Brady? How many did Bill Walsh have without Montana and Young? How many did Tony Dungy have without Peyton Manning?[/quote]

Preach.

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[quote=Hog1;851495]Soooo I guess the collective patience has worn thin for the rebuilding process that was the chant of favor last season?[/quote]

Not for me. I have lost patience with the way that Kyle runs the offense. But our overall effort to create a good team is on the right track, it just hasn't had full time to develop.

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[quote=Lotus;851505]Not for me. I have lost patience with the way that Kyle runs the offense. But [B]our overall effort to create a good team is on the right track,[/B] it just hasn't had full time to develop.[/quote]
HTTR to YOU as well......

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[quote=SmootSmack;851339]This'll be brief:

[B]Jabar Gaffney[/B] He doesn't suck. He's been, for the most part a very strong performer for us. But he made two costly errors (drop, then fumble) at the end of the first half that led to three key points-and more importantly killed any momentum for us-at the end of the first half. Of course, other receivers had poor drops but I'll just go ahead and single out JG

[B]Playing Hankerson at the End[/B] Unlike John Beck, Hank really is a rookie. Playing his first NFL game ever, I'm not sure he's the guy they should have had in there and targeting at the end of the game

[B]Josh Wilson[/B] WTF dude?! I had you pegged as a Stud this weekend!

[B]Kevin Barnes[/B] Man, was I wrong about him. I thought he'd be Carlos Rogers with hands. Instead he's Ginger Rogers with two left feet. I haven't seen worse angles since my protactor broke. And so on...but seriously. He's suppoed to be one of the smartest, and most physical players on our D and he's just stinking up the joint week after week. I don't know why Buchanon didn't really play and why they still won't activate Kareem Moore. But if there's one area where I think we are very weak and just time won't help, it's our secondary. I've never been a "Oh no. We're 3-3. Everything must be blown up. We suck so bad" kind of guy...but changes need to be made pretty much asap to our secondary.

[B]Jim Haslett[/B] Where was the zero blitz? Heck we barely blitzed at all. I know most people have a fear of zero blitz largely because of the Dallas play. But personally, I like the aggressiveness. And I understand that Cam is unlike any QB the league has seen in a long time. But it felt to me like we were playing soft against him. We should have attacked him more, give him different looks, etc. Rattle him. He's made plenty of mistakes, along with his great plays, in the beginning of this career. Seemed like we didn't really try to force him to make mistakes

[B]Wasted Opportunities[/B] You shouldn't let a team beat you when they commit 15 penalties. You just shouldn't

[B]You[/B] Yeah I'm looking at you. Your posts in the gameday thread are getting tired. Just shut up already....no don't worry, I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about you (I think we all know who you are)

[B]Me[/B] John Beck looked a lot better than I expected. Actually, I think he looked poor in the first half. Made a lot of silly mistakes. But he really stepped it up in the second half. I'm pretty confident he can be effective for us for the rest of the year.

[B]The Deep Pass[/B] Where was it? What was AA in the game for, if not to use him to stretch the field

[B]Barry Cofield[/B] Was it just me, or did it look like he was just laying on ther ground there with the fumbled ball sitting right next to him? Just stretch our hand out and we get the ball[/quote]

All valid points you made Smoot.

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[quote=Hog1;851495]Soooo I guess the collective patience has worn thin for the rebuilding process that was the chant of favor last season?[/quote]

No i dont think so. The big picture still looks fine to me. That doesn't mean we have to be happy with what we saw on the field today.

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Why is it when we play a team with a Rookie QB we are now 0-7 against these teams? This stat is down right puzzling to me. I have to say after watching this game the Panthers offense out played our defense today. Cam did just enough to get his team a win. Our offense has to grind it out to get points because we have average WR's and QB. Our defense just cannot make big plays example ( sack fumble TD, ints return for TD, or just recover a damn fumble on the ground) If our defense was alert they could had a fumble recovery TD. No not this defense because we just did not have enough players running to the ball. Our defense needs to be aggressive and take chances and let the chipsfall. Hey all the experts had us finishing in 4th in the NFC East so why be tight and just go out and ball. Dont play the game not lose but play to win. HTTR

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[quote=skins89moss;851511][B]Why is it when we play a team with a Rookie QB we are now 0-7 against these teams? This stat is down right puzzling to me.[/B] I have to say after watching this game the Panthers offense out played our defense today. Cam did just enough to get his team a win. Our offense has to grind it out to get points because we have average WR's and QB. Our defense just cannot make big plays example ( sack fumble TD, ints return for TD, or just recover a damn fumble on the ground) If our defense was alert they could had a fumble recovery TD. No not this defense because we just did not have enough players running to the ball. Our defense needs to be aggressive and take chances and let the chipsfall. Hey all the experts had us finishing in 4th in the NFC East so why be tight and just go out and ball. Dont play the game not lose but play to win. HTTR[/quote]At the risk of overanalyzing the situation, we're
just not a very good football team, and haven't been for awhile.

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Silver lining from todays game: No matter how bad we played, at least we didn't trade a 1st and 2nd round draft pick for a QB and still lose 28-0.

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[quote=SmootSmack;851471]How many Belichick have without Tom Brady? How many did Bill Walsh have without Montana and Young? How many did Tony Dungy have without Peyton Manning?[/quote]

Exactly! How many did Joe Gibbs have without Joe Theismann......oh yeah....nevermind.

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[quote=SmootSmack;851471]How many Belichick have without Tom Brady? How many did Bill Walsh have without Montana and Young? How many did Tony Dungy have without Peyton Manning?[/quote]


Ppl get off of MS he's the best HC the redskins have had since Gibbs 1.. He just doesn't have the right amount of talent to win week in and out, It's not that hard to figure out folks..

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[quote=skinsfaninok;851520]Ppl get off of MS he's the best HC the redskins have had since Gibbs 1.. He just doesn't have the right amount of talent to win week in and out, It's not that hard to figure out folks..[/quote]Maybe he should fire his personnel guy who isn't getting him the talent?

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QB= John Beck, 4th QB in the NFCE
WR= Worst in the NFCE


= Shit passing game and teams have figured that out by now

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We are a giving team. Last week we let a team who was on the ropes beat up on us and this week we let another team do the same thing. We like letting rookies feel good about themselves. We are not a good football team yet, we knew this going into the season and the last two weeks have shown this.

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Silver lining from todays game: No matter how bad we played, at least we didn't trade a 1st and 2nd round draft pick for a QB and still lose 28-0.
~~~~~~
I like your thinking and yes I take great comfort in that.

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[quote=GTripp0012;851521]Maybe he should fire his personnel guy who isn't getting him the talent?[/quote]


It's been 2 seasons tripp, this team was one of the worst talent wise 3 years ago.. Hey I'm w you I hate losing and shit is getting old but even though I rant and rave and say F the skins during the game I love em like a family member and I'll be patient as I've been for 20 years.. It'll pay off

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My Smackdown goes to the lack of overall talent on the team.

Here are my locks for the 2012 starting lineup if I was coach/gm. All the spots that are left blank I feel like are open to having new starters. Plus we still need depth across the board. I like our LG too, but the injury he had was pretty serious.

DE - BOWEN
NT - COFIELD
DE - JENKINS
OLB - ORAKPO
MLB - FLETCHER
MLB -
OLB - KERRIGAN
CB -
SS - LANDRY
FS - OTOGWE
CB -

WR - MOSS
WR -
LT - WILLIAMS
LG -
C - MONTGOMERY
RG - CHRIS CHESTER
RT -
TE - COOLEY
RB -
FB - YOUNG
QB -

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Skins are AVG 19PPG giving up 19PPG 3-3 lol

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;851527]My Smackdown goes to the lack of overall talent on the team.

Here are my locks for the 2012 starting lineup if I was coach/gm. All the spots that are left blank I feel like are open to having new starters. Plus we still need depth across the board. I like our LG too, but the injury he had was pretty serious.

DE - BOWEN
NT - COFIELD
DE - JENKINS
OLB - ORAKPO
MLB - FLETCHER
MLB -
OLB - KERRIGAN
CB -
SS - LANDRY
FS - OTOGWE
CB -

WR - MOSS
WR -
LT - WILLIAMS
LG -
C - MONTGOMERY
RG - CHRIS CHESTER
RT -
TE - COOLEY
RB -
FB - YOUNG
QB -[/quote]

Dude its only week 7

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;851527]My Smackdown goes to the lack of overall talent on the team.

Here are my locks for the 2012 starting lineup if I was coach/gm. All the spots that are left blank I feel like are open to having new starters. Plus we still need depth across the board. I like our LG too, but the injury he had was pretty serious.

DE - BOWEN
NT - COFIELD
DE - JENKINS
OLB - ORAKPO
MLB - FLETCHER
MLB -
OLB - KERRIGAN
CB -
SS - LANDRY
FS - OTOGWE
CB -

WR - MOSS
WR -
LT - WILLIAMS
LG -
C - MONTGOMERY
RG - CHRIS CHESTER
RT -
TE - COOLEY
RB -
FB - YOUNG
QB -[/quote]



You are 100% wrong on Cooley and Moss bro