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I normally don't like to point the finger at one guy but Rex just killed us yesterday. Each pick was worse than the one before. I think he was pressing and trying to make something happen, I get that, but you can't just keep tossing balls up for grabs. It's Beck's turn, he can't be worse than Rex... can he?

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A smack down on the bye. It is only supposed to last for one week. Ours lasted for at least two weeks. Few people showed up to play.

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[quote=over the mountain;848395]id like to smack d hall and mcintosh as well . . .[/quote]

Mcintosh was "Bad Rocky" yesterday. He took bad angles and had his feet in cement. Ive seen this numerous times with Rocky, where he will be in position or in his gap and then when the ball shows up he waits to tackle instead of being aggressive, McCoy just runs around him after making a move. WTF

D Hall gave up the play to Maclin which he had position, but got the ball ripped from him which was Carlos-like. But Hall interception was huge right outside the redzone, but then Rex...

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[quote=SmootSmack;848299]
[B]Kyle Shanahan[/B] I knew he wasn't going to run just because it was the Eagles, because KS doesn't prepare his game plan based on the opponent's known weaknesses. Never has, never will. And I don't really have a problem with that. I do have a problem with not taking advantage of two solid backs in Torain and Helu. I do have a problem with ignoring one of football's basic tenents "When you're trying to get your new offensive line to gel, run the ball and let them get into their groove" I commend Locklear, Cook, and the rest of that makeshift line for the work they did today. Kyle didn't put them in a good spot. [B]And I do have a problem with him trying to make Rex more than he is[/B]. If we were even tied at the half, I'm fully confident we win. But we put on Rex's shoulders, at home where you had to know he was going to get booed mercilessly, and that just isn't the right game plan. Sidenote: You just know that if Rex had that fumble Beck had, it would have gone back for 6. By the way, I thought Beck was fine but I still think he sells the play action horribly

[/quote]

As much as I can't stand Rex as a QB, I have to agree with you on this point. Not only did Kyle not prepare for the Eagles weakness but he made Rex try and do things he just is not capable of doing with much success. Rex needed run support and had it at his disposal and just did not get it. Thats on the coach. Not only would the run have helped Rex but was the recipe to beating the Eagles. Why the heck was the ball not put in the hands of Torain/Helu????

It was also evident that the Skins still had the sting of last years ass whip'n on their minds and played a hesitant type of game. They feared Vick and it showed. I expected so much aggression from the Skins D but it just was not there...

Not that we lost but the way we lost.

Receivers were getting open, sometimes very open, on most of the passing plays. Problem was that by putting our selves in such a deep hole by not running we forced Rex to rush his reads and try to make big plays, coming from behind. And that's not his strength. That said though, Rex is a veteran starting QB in the NFL. I agree with playing to your QB's strengths, but there's a fine line between that and coddling.

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I think there's a fine line between blaming playcalling and blaming Rex for bad execution/decision making. I lean more towards blaming Rex. Seems like these past few games he got away from having any patience and went back to the Rex of old thinking he can just chuck it all over the field.

It's like the deeper into the hole he went, he just kept making things worse and ended up burying himself.

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[quote=SmootSmack;848437]I love how people here spend years bitching about how conservative we are, how we never go for the big touchdowns, how awesome teams like the Patriots don't settle for field goals.

But when we go for a big play at home on our first drive of a 0-0 game, then we want to talk about playing the percentages[/quote]

Um Rex Grossman is our QB. Being aggressive is fine. I'm all for it. But when you have a QB who throws multiple int's a game then you can't be aggressive. He should've had at least 4 more this year cause guys flat our dropped picks that hit them dead in their hands.

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It evens out, there were interceptions that never should have been. Grossman has also thrown deep completions and TDs, so to say we shouldn't have been aggressive at that point is just 20/20 hindsight

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I have to say that I'm very disappointed in Kyle's game plan that featured so little running plays against a team who ranks very low on run defense. If you aren't going to game plan against weaknesses, then you won't be coaching in the NFL long.


Rex. Sweet baby jesus christ on a cracker. Dude should have been pulled at the half. Was absolutely horrible. I've said it time and time again about Rex. His pocket presence and mobility are absolutely horrible. Beck did a much better job in relief with just those two areas alone. I think it's time to put the Rex starting gig to rest now, and just let Beck roll with it to see what the kid has. If he craps the bed, we just draft a QB position and go from there. If he's much better than expected, we win games and possibly keep him as the starter until we can get somebody to study under him.


1st half defense. There was none. End of story. I hope Shanny makes these guys work their asses off next year's bye week because they surely sucked balls coming out of this years.

WRs- Not helping much at all with the costly drops. It's definitely time to upgrade this position.


I say our only bright spots were Gano, Rocca, and perhaps Fred Davis.

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[quote=SmootSmack;848299][B]The 1st Half Defense[/B]: Couldn't believe it when Landry said after the game that they basically came out in the first half without any sense of purpose. Couldn't believe it because it showed. I know, I know Rex's interceptions tired them out early. That's total bull. The defense played sloppy the first half, missing tackles, completely whiffing when trying to jam a receiver (c'mon Barnes!), not diving after tipped balls. Seemed like Rocky was just standing there on the Celek tipped catch. And a makeshift OL for the Eagles, and we got almost zero pressure. I'll give them a stud for turning things around, but early on they looked ugly.[/quote]

Yup. People want to excuse the defense for its studly second half performance and, instead, focus on the ineptitude of Rex. Okay, we held the Eagles to 20 - but we spotted them those right out of the gate. You don't think that effects how the rest of the game is played? A pass happy KS is faced with a 20 point deficit - you think "Okay, time to resurrect the run game" is running through his head at that point? We all knew that, for the team to succeed, Rex needed to be put in a a caretaker/game manager mode.

The defense came out and got torched putting all the worst elements of the team's offense to the forefront. 20 points over 4 quarters is acceptable. 20 points in the first half - including two long drives for TD's - is not. Good job turning it around, but that first half was abysmal and set the team up to lose. The ineptitude of Sexy Rexy did the rest.

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[quote=htownskinfan;848332]Ive said it many times before and been mostly shot down{because kyle was so great in houston,blah blah blah}
I hated this hire from the get go because as long as mikes here sos his son.[B]If kyle wasnt his son I wouldnt have had a problem with the hire,but theres a HUGE conflict of interest[/B][/quote]


Completely agree. Just the perception, that im positive many players and other coaches have, of the sitution is bad for the team.

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[quote=SmootSmack;848517]It evens out, there were interceptions that never should have been. Grossman has also thrown deep completions and TDs, so to say we shouldn't have been aggressive at that point is just 20/20 hindsight[/quote]

Bottom line, the guy isn't an NFL starter. I've seen enough.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;848321]This is no surprise anymore.....and I've got a HUGE problem with that. I don't know what the hell he's getting paid, but it's too much. If you aren't evaluating the opponent's weaknesses and preparing your gameplan to exploit those weaknesses you should be fired immediately.

This piss-poor playcalling/gameplanning is becoming a trend. If it doesn't improve before mid-season, MS needs to either take the OC reigns and minimize KS's role or get rid of him. This is not difficult to fix, I could fix it tomorrow.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Its horrible and in my opinion its all the fault of Mike. Mike is allowing Kyle to continue to call horrible games. Kyle is calling horrible games and is continuing to put Rex in situations that Rex is horrible suited for. Rex has played pretty bad, but i think its in part because hes being forced by Kyle to do something that hes not good at. And Mike is allowing it. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]
Its a pretty easy fix. Mike just needs to take over game planning and play calling. Coach to the team's strengths and attack the opposing teams weaknesses, then get fancy. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=SmootSmack;848517]It evens out, there were interceptions that never should have been. Grossman has also thrown deep completions and TDs, so to say we shouldn't have been aggressive at that point is just 20/20 hindsight[/quote]


[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]My hindsight is better than most (20/10)…. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Rex’s decision making is as bad as it gets. Theres being aggressive but smart and then theres being aggressive no matter the cost. Rex is the latter. I don’t put it on Rex though I put it on Kyle continually putting Rex in situations that don’t suit Rex’s strengths and expecting different outcomes. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=GMScud;848320]My smack down is to Rex and Kyle primarily, but to the team in general for letting the Eagles' season off the hook. At 1-5, they're done. Now they're 2-4, they just got a division win heading into a bye, and coming off the bye they play 3 straight at home. Not only did we blow a massive opportunity to improve our season, we breathed life right back into one of our major rivals. Failure.[/quote]

Very reminiscent of the Giants game a few years ago when we let them off the hook and they rolled right into the playoffs.

That said, we don't need Beck to be great, just competent. If he can at least achieve that, I suspect it will make a world of difference on both sides of the ball.

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At the end of the day you can only put so much blame on Kyle. Rex Grossman is out there playing the game, not Kyle or Coach Shanny. I think we have a situation here where the offensive coordinator has his limitations and his chosen quarterback has even more.

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[quote=Mattyk;848480]I normally don't like to point the finger at one guy but Rex just killed us yesterday. Each pick was worse than the one before. I think he was pressing and trying to make something happen, I get that, but you can't just keep tossing balls up for grabs. It's Beck's turn, he can't be worse than Rex... can he?[/quote]

Not a chance in hell he's worse than Rex. Sometimes offense is very much about getting in a rhythm. My gut tells me with more reps in this offense, his accuracy issues will be resolved.

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[quote=12thMan;848551]At the end of the day you can only put so much blame on Kyle. Rex Grossman is out there playing the game, not Kyle or Coach Shanny. I think we have a situation here where the offensive coordinator has his limitations and his chosen quarterback has even more.[/quote]

Yeah I agree. There's plenty of blame to go around but in the end Rex is simply making horrible decisions out there. What happened to what he said a few weeks ago, that this offense is designed to get someone open on every play and his job is to stay patient and find him?

Lately that seems to be out the window and Rex is back to saying F it, I've got the best arm in the league and I can make any throw.

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Beck also can move around and with the injuries to the line his mobility is going to be crucial.

I'd also like to see a new play caller.

Again... the helmet to helmet hits are going to happen. It can't be avioded. That call on Orakpo should've gotten that ref suspended. Not only was it a god awful call but it was a momentum killer and had an effect on the outcome of the game.

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that was the worst call I've seen all year and yes he should ****in fired

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[quote=12thMan;848555][B]Not a chance in hell he's worse than Rex.[/B] Sometimes offense is very much about getting in a rhythm. My gut tells me with more reps in this offense, his accuracy issues will be resolved.[/quote]

Before I get misunderstood, I'm for playing Beck this week.

But, in context, I'm not sure about statements like that. Certainly Beck can't be worse than Wrecks against the Eagles. But he definitely can be worse than Wrecks against the Giants.

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[quote=Lotus;848564]Before I get misunderstood, I'm for playing Beck this week.

But, in context, I'm not sure about statements like that. Certainly Beck can't be worse than Wrecks against the Eagles. But he definitely can be worse than Wrecks against the Giants.[/quote]

Of course my statement is without merit, because nobody knows for sure. We'll find out soon enough though.

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[quote=12thMan;848571]Of course my statement is without merit, because nobody knows for sure. We'll find out soon enough though.[/quote]

Sorry 12th, you're an insightful guy and I did not mean to pick on you personally. But I've heard a lot of folks make similar statements. You are correct, we'll all get educated more soon.

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There will be no major upgrade or down grade by starting Beck, both him and Rex are stop gaps at that position. So arguing about which should be in is fruitless the are the same level of talent/skill their only difference is their names.

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[quote=Meks;848560]that was the worst call I've seen all year and yes he should ****in fired[/quote]

Overreact much?

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[quote=Lotus;848564]Before I get misunderstood, I'm for playing Beck this week.

But, in context, I'm not sure about statements like that. [B]Certainly Beck can't be worse than Wrecks against the Eagles. [/B]But he definitely can be worse than Wrecks against the Giants.[/quote]

Really? Only an idiot would make such an absolute statement! ;) I would humbly suggest that it is quite possible that Beck could be worse than "Eagles' game" Rexy. It is unlikely, but, given this will be Beck's first start in many years and that he has failed before, I don't think anything can be ruled out.

I hope he won't and don't believe he will - I am just suggesting that an abysmally bad John Beck performance is not out of the realm of the reasonably possible.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;848626]Really? Only an idiot would make such an absolute statement! ;) I would humbly suggest that it is quite possible that Beck could be worse than "Eagles' game" Rexy. It is unlikely, but, given this will be Beck's first start in many years and that he has failed before, I don't think anything can be ruled out.

I hope he won't and don't believe he will - I am just suggesting that an abysmally bad John Beck performance is not out of the realm of the reasonably possible.[/quote]

This sadly is true.

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So what if Beck starts Sunday and throws 3 ints's and has a piss poor game? Then what? Might as well start him and see what ya got, cause everyone in the world of pro football knows what you got in Rexy, im not bashin Rex he just is what he is at qb, a band aid.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;848641][B]So what if Beck starts Sunday and throws 3 ints's and gets has a piss poor game?[/B] Then what? Might as well start him and see what ya got, cause everyone in the world of pro football knows what you got in Rexy, im not bashin Rex he just is what he is at qb, a band aid.[/quote]

Then we bring on Rockytop Crompton! Woot woot!

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;848641][B]So what if Beck starts Sunday and throws 3 ints's and gets has a piss poor game?[/B] Then what? Might as well start him and see what ya got, cause everyone in the world of pro football knows what you got in Rexy, im not bashin Rex he just is what he is at qb, a band aid.[/quote]

Bring on Garrard?

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3-2 ... I don't think this team deserves to be smacked down so hard after that loss .. not after they stood strong and fought to get back in that game .. when D-Hall made that pic @ the 20. That should have been 6 pts, instead Rex (who i've supported since game 1) made a bonehead play. At that point in would have been 20-13 with some serious momentum, who knows. But it didn't happen and Rex got worse by the minute and it showed BADLY. Beck provides just enough wiggle out of the pocket and he looks hungry, i truly thought Rex was going to have a solid SEASON but I have changed my tune quickly. Beck is going to be #1 unless he gets hurt. We have dangerous Panthers team next week then big match up with Bills in Toronto. 4-3 or possible 5-2 we are in a whole different mindset. 3-4 would be donski for the Skins'. I sure hope not,this DEFENSE is too good to let that happen. Shannys will get running game back on track, I have faith and I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet. Lots of football left. HTTR

Beck as soon as he came in had a look of "i'm not coming back out again unless i'm carted off" .. Rex had a look on sidelines like "f*** me"

[QUOTE=CrustyRedskin;848641]So what if Beck starts Sunday and throws 3 ints's and has a piss poor game? Then what? Might as well start him and see what ya got, cause everyone in the world of pro football knows what you got in Rexy, im not bashin Rex he just is what he is at qb, a band aid.[/QUOTE]

QB battle between Clemens and Chappell!

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[quote=SmootSmack;848654]QB battle between Clemens and Chappell![/quote]

Id take Dave Chappell, that would spice up the O a bit, but when keeping it real goes wrong you know what happens......

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my sign reflects exactly how I felt about this game ..

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[quote=skinsfan69;848559]Beck also can move around and with the injuries to the line his mobility is going to be crucial.

I'd also like to see a new play caller.

Again... the helmet to helmet hits are going to happen. It can't be avioded. That call on Orakpo should've gotten that ref suspended. Not only was it a god awful call but it was a momentum killer and had an effect on the outcome of the game.[/quote]Orakpo went helmet to helmet, so at least there was something substancial to flag. The problem was that the call of "roughing the passer" is incredibly generous there. Vick wasn't stepping into a throw to complete a pass, he was doing the only thing he could do to not be on his one yard line on the next play.

By the same token, Ronnie Brown was technically a "passer" on his goal line fumble against the 49ers, but he wasn't "roughed", he was tackled. If the passer is standing in the pocket and is defenseless, then give him protection on helmet to helmet. Once he flushes from the pocket, now the process of tackling gets more complicated, and I don't think you can flag helmet to helmet anymore at that point.

Brutal call.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;848626]Really? Only an idiot would make such an absolute statement! ;) I would humbly suggest that it is quite possible that Beck could be worse than "Eagles' game" Rexy. It is unlikely, but, given this will be Beck's first start in many years and that [B]he has failed before,[/B] I don't think anything can be ruled out.

I hope he won't and don't believe he will - I am just suggesting that an abysmally bad John Beck performance is not out of the realm of the reasonably possible.[/quote]Outside of 5 games as a rookie late in the 2007 season in Miami and the TB preseason game, where did he fail? Cam Cameron was going to start him in 2008, but Cameron was fired. When CC signed on as the Ravens OC, he brought Beck in to back up Flacco.

Lots of folks were ready to throw away Rivers and Rodgers and giving those two guys a few seasons of sitting didn't hurt. Now let's not make the quantum leap to me saying Beck = Rivers/Rodgers, but the rest of the season is certainly time to fnd out if he can be more than a career backup.

Tripp touched on this in a post last night, what I think we're seeing here is Daddy and Jr. in a disagreement over how the O goes forward. My gut is Rex was Ks's guy and MS gave him (KS) the rope to hang himself. KS is hung, now MS will take more control and put more run/PA with his guy (Beck). I'm certainly speaking with optimism, same as the "we control the LoS and win" optimism I posted pre-game yesterday....we saw how that worked out.

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Rex Grossman had a terrible game yesterday - - he deserved to be pulled.

The defense as a whole was "less than fully satisfactory" yesterday.

Here is something that bothered the Hell out of me in the 4th quarter...

The Skins had the ball with less than 9 minutes to play down 2 TDs. Last year - - and during training camp this year - - we all got to listen to lectures from the coaching staff about the importance of "offensive tempo".

OK, go watch yesterday's late 4th quarter and point out to me two plays where the "offensive tempo" was anything more than sleepwalking. Smoot lays down Smack; I am calling bulls[p]it on Mike Shanahan's lectures on "offensive tempo".
[INDENT][B]Memo to Coach Shanahan:[/B] If tempo means anything at all, you will be demoting a few guys from the offensive unit this week and delivering a few 10-EEE suppositories to several other guys.[/INDENT]

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i thought about tempo as well. i think the answer mike gave was that with beck playing and he not taking any snaps with the first team O, they just couldnt run a faster tempo huddle and offense . . .

should have had beck taking some snaps with the first team O during the bye.

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[quote=Chico23231;848486]Mcintosh was "Bad Rocky" yesterday. He took bad angles and had his feet in cement. Ive seen this numerous times with Rocky, where he will be in position or in his gap and then when the ball shows up he waits to tackle instead of being aggressive, McCoy just runs around him after making a move. WTF[/quote]

Agreed. He reminded me of this:

[IMG]http://ayllax.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/rocky-chicken-150x150.jpg[/IMG]

Just replace McIntosh with Balboa and chicken with McCoy.

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[quote=GTripp0012;848662]Orakpo went helmet to helmet, so at least there was something substancial to flag. The problem was that the call of "roughing the passer" is incredibly generous there. Vick wasn't stepping into a throw to complete a pass, he was doing the only thing he could do to not be on his one yard line on the next play.

By the same token, Ronnie Brown was technically a "passer" on his goal line fumble against the 49ers, but he wasn't "roughed", he was tackled. If the passer is standing in the pocket and is defenseless, then give him protection on helmet to helmet. Once he flushes from the pocket, now the process of tackling gets more complicated, and I don't think you can flag helmet to helmet anymore at that point.

Brutal call.[/quote]

Yes, brutal call. What really got me was that Vick intentionally grounded. So even if Rak got flagged for his hit, it still should have been offsetting penalties.

It should have been a safety but instead Philly got a free first down. Ugh.