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[quote=SmootSmack;801237]He'd probably know better than any of us what it was like. He doesn't say, of course, if he partied with the rest of them.

I don't interact directly with the current team anymore but I do know that there is a certain reputation around the league about the team..well I should say, was a certain reputation. I do believe it is changing. Most of the "abusers" are gone.

But the Redskins have had a seesaw culture (if that even makes sense). I was there during the Turner, Marty, and Spurrier years.

And I've talked about this before.

Norv-bless his heart he really tried, but he just couldn't command any respect. Mainly because he didn't try to earn it, so much as he tried to force it upon everyone without really proving he deserved it

Marty-took a while to earn people's respect, but he got it

Spurrier-he just wanted to coach football and there was no discipline at all during this time. 2002 was my favorite year covering the Redskins. Non-stop partying. I've mentioned here how I used to get phone calls from players during meetings...during their meetings, not mine. Heck, I used to plan parties for these guys "Come to Rod Gardner's Birthday Party...Live at the Ibex!"

Gibbs-Well, by now I was gone but by all accounts instant respect and accountability

Zorn-As I've heard it, very similar to Norv. But then what made it worse was Cerrato above him

Anyhow, I don't doubt what Parker was saying may have been true last spring. But I don't know if it is so much now[/quote]

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO... You're directly responsible for the failure during the Spurrier era...

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[quote=mredskins;801075]Unless I am missing out but DC nightlife on the weekends is dead, the city is a ghost town especially in the summer time![/quote]

Big Al has no problem getting his mack on.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/mike-wise-records-albert-haynesworth-parody-song/2011/05/04/AFjaZKoF_blog.html]Mike Wise records Albert Haynesworth parody song - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url]

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Isn't this a trend with all players that leave Redskins Park? They all have bad things to say about the organization. I have tended to believe the players when they leave. They really have no reason to lie, especially when it seems everysingle player seems to say the same thing. Basically no leadership, no commitment to winning, to much "me" stuff in the locker room. This goes back to when Mitchell was cut, Champ being traded (Classy player finally playing for a classy organization) i believe where his words during the Broncos press conference. Both Randel El and Willy Parker basically said the same thing, that this organization is focused on too much other stuff other than winning. I sure hope this regime brings a winning attitude and changes the culture around here. Right now, its only known for overpaying for overhyped players.

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OOOh ohhhhhhhhh what a feeeeeelin when they're dancin on the ceiling!! A redskins park! Moss kinda looks like Lionel Ritchie.

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I think saying "all players" is quite extreme hyperbole. I also think I'm not sure how Champ is defined (or defines himself) as a classy player. And I know that some of these concerns didn't begin with Snyder, lest anyone think so.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;801087]*cough* Albert Haynseworth *cough*[/quote]
*cough* didn't they suspend him *cough*

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Obviously he is a bit salty, but he isn't the first player to suggest this. Didn't a player from AZ say this too?

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[quote=GMScud;801099]Well sure, but Shanahan had no tolerance for his BS, and he wasn't part of the new regime. MS and BA had nothing to do with bringing that load of crap to town.[/quote]

And hopefully MS and BA will take a page from the Steelers and ship AH out of town the way the Steelers got rid of Santonio Holmes.

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[quote=SmootSmack;801237]He'd probably know better than any of us what it was like. He doesn't say, of course, if he partied with the rest of them.

I don't interact directly with the current team anymore but I do know that there is a certain reputation around the league about the team..well I should say, was a certain reputation. I do believe it is changing. Most of the "abusers" are gone.

But the Redskins have had a seesaw culture (if that even makes sense). I was there during the Turner, Marty, and Spurrier years.

And I've talked about this before.

Norv-bless his heart he really tried, but he just couldn't command any respect. Mainly because he didn't try to earn it, so much as he tried to force it upon everyone without really proving he deserved it

Marty-took a while to earn people's respect, but he got it

Spurrier-he just wanted to coach football and there was no discipline at all during this time. 2002 was my favorite year covering the Redskins. Non-stop partying. I've mentioned here how I used to get phone calls from players during meetings...during their meetings, not mine. Heck, I used to plan parties for these guys "Come to Rod Gardner's Birthday Party...Live at the Ibex!"

Gibbs-Well, by now I was gone but by all accounts instant respect and accountability

Zorn-As I've heard it, very similar to Norv. But then what made it worse was Cerrato above him

Anyhow, I don't doubt what Parker was saying may have been true last spring. But I don't know if it is so much now[/quote]

Parker uses the label as if it's an inherent trait exclusive to the Redskins. It could be safe to say there are other teams around the league that could bear the same title [to some degree] if sought out.

What bothers me is when players like Parker come through for no more than a cup of Coffee and leave with a wealty of criticism as if he really knows what goes on here on a consistent basis. He was not here long enough to know very much about the inner workings of the team.

It really irks me at times when players come here having nothing but good things to say and leave [in most cases not of their own volition] and have nothing but derogatory things to say when they leave. It's happened so many times before with Pierce, Sellers, Arrington and that's just to name a few.

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Culture change doesn't happen overnight. We had a lot of turnover last year and will have plenty more again this year. You can just see by the draft philosophy this year that a strong emphasis was placed on character and work ethic.

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At the end of the interview one of the hosts says

"And whats real unfortunate is uh, part of Willie's skill set doesn't really lend itself to be a third down back because he really can't catch the football...(*giggle*)...Just cant !

Bum ass effer ! Keep making your youtube videos so teams can see that you still have it.

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Yep, it is the redskins fault that he sucks. All the partying kept him from making the team. Get real. He's just pissed that he got cut.

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[quote=12thMan;801107]Well, the Skins do party - a lot. But I don't think they're any different than other NFL teams in other cities.[/quote]

I agree with that.

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[quote=tjmorgan;801368]Yep, it is the redskins fault that he sucks. All the partying kept him from making the team. Get real. He's just pissed that he got cut.[/quote]

Did he say that was the reason that kept him from making the team? I think injuries have more than anything to do with it, which he acknowledge. So why are you raging about something he's never claimed. He's stating a fact, and you clearly are in denial.


[IMG]http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0911/im-not-in-denial-denial-reality-japanese-rockabilly-demotivational-poster-1259575578.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Mattyk;801344]Culture change doesn't happen overnight. We had a lot of turnover last year and will have plenty more again this year. You can just see by the draft philosophy this year that a strong emphasis was placed on character and work ethic.[/quote]

I agree with you Matty on that it doesn't change over night. However, I think what also needs to change is the mentality from Skins fans in general. Just because a person says something about your organization doesn't make him bitter or mad he got cut/traded/low balled, etc. It just means he's telling you what you don't get to see.


I found a picture that accurately describes many Skins fans.

[IMG]http://carlmosstherapy.com/resources/denial.jpg[/IMG]


I keep hearing over and over again how partying didn't affect the SKins back in the 80's, but Gibbs says otherwise. They got blown out in the Super Bowl largely in part because they were partying that whole week. I also don't recall a perfect (or near close to perfect) season either and to assume their partying didn't affect their W/L record as well is probably misguided.

Last years record:

Away: 4-4
Home: 2-6

Wonder why now we get shit on at home? Don't think that Eagle blowout was from kids partying that whole weekend? It's not all partying, but it certainly doesn't help things when you lack talent. Also, quite a few insiders have said exactly the same thing Smoot has said earlier in this thread. One in particular is close to the players and knows it's a ongoing thing for some of these guys.

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Fans of any team are generally going to defend their team. That's not unique to the Skins. He may be speaking some truth, but at the same time he does come off sounding a little bitter.

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yawn...

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I wouldn't expect anything less from Cooley.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/chris-cooley-responds-to-willie-parker/2011/05/05/AFTSvfzF_blog.html]Chris Cooley responds to Willie Parker - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url]

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After 10 losing seasons, some in embarrassing fashion, I can see certain skins players as not having the same drive and dedication they had in the past.

Moss, portis rogers, etc have been here thru different coaches and off-field circuses that I could understand a person's natural inclination to stop trying as hard, to stop taking things as serious b/c in the end . . . . we just lose anyway.

Not to say what willie said is true or not, but a decade of losing and all the off-field stuff could be fodder for discontent and uninterested players.

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10 losing seasons?

Under Snyder they've had 6 losing seasons. Granted that still sucks but still...

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Ok .. i should have said bottom five for total wins the last decade.

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[quote=Mattyk;801385]Fans of any team are generally going to defend their team. That's not unique to the Skins. He may be speaking some truth, but at the same time he does come off sounding a little bitter.[/quote]

I didn't mean to imply it's just Redskins fans, and I agree it's all fans across the board. However, I think it's time for fans (of all bad teams) to stop and look in the mirror. Especially us. We want to lash out at the guys who say these things, but lets stop and take a look. What teams out there are really talked negatively from the players perspective? Bengals? Raiders? Redskins? Hell, I've heard more crap about the Skins than I have the Lions. So maybe, just maybe, they are right and we are wrong. It's our players that is our problem, our culture, which we agree is changing and going to take time.

I listened to the interview again, and WP doesn't sound bitter one bit. He's simply answering the questions he's asked. We make it out to be like he called the press conference to rant about how bad the Skins are. Simply not the case here and to trash this dude? Had he been bitter, I think he would have been saying more things along the line of "I didn't get a fair shake", or "they did me wrong". You want bitter? Try Lavar Arrington. Now that is a bitter mofo..lol

I'll say it again, I'm happy we have a coach that is getting rid of the trash and the guys here to simply collect a check.

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[url]http://143.107.235.30/informatica/graduacao/material/etica/private/organizational_narcissism.pdf[/url]

What [I]Mr.[/I] Snyder has instilled into the Redskins, even down to the fans, is high narcissism.

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[quote=firstdown;801320]*cough* didn't they suspend him *cough*[/quote]

Doesn't matter, he's still on the roster.
And he's arguably the biggest problem child the Skins ever had.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;801652][url]http://143.107.235.30/informatica/graduacao/material/etica/private/organizational_narcissism.pdf[/url]

What [I]Mr.[/I] Snyder has instilled into the Redskins, even down to the fans, is high narcissism.[/quote]

This didn't start with Snyder, but whatever if people want to believe it did, so be it

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[quote=SmootSmack;801657]This didn't start with Snyder, but whatever if people want to believe it did, so be it[/quote]
You know more than me, so I'll modify my viewpoint a bit.

He certainly didn't stop it, though.

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Parker can't be wrong as it shows on the football field that the skins don't care about football as much as the steelers. Of course not all players party but damn if a lot of don't. When I was in D.C. over x-mass they had an ad on WPGC for some club where they advertised Brandon Banks as featured guest on the saturday before the sunday game against the giants...pathetic.

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[quote=Longtimefan;801342]Parker uses the label as if it's an inherent trait exclusive to the Redskins. It could be safe to say there are other teams around the league that could bear the same title [to some degree] if sought out.

[b]What bothers me is when players like Parker come through for no more than a cup of Coffee and leave with a wealty of criticism as if he really knows what goes on here on a consistent basis. [/b] He was not here long enough to know very much about the inner workings of the team.

It really irks me at times when players come here having nothing but good things to say and leave [in most cases not of their own volition] and have nothing but derogatory things to say when they leave. It's happened so many times before with Pierce, Sellers, Arrington and that's just to name a few.[/quote]

My thoughts exactly!

I also loved Cooley's response, what a cool mf'er he is.

I don't dispute that our team has done its share of partying and has lost focus (a lot). I just dispute that WP is the person that should be talking, considering how long he was here and everything else we've heard on the contrary since Shanahan has been here.

IMO Willie was here for about 5 minutes, I doubt he had too much personal experience to go from.

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Whether parker came for coffee is irrelevant...what is relevant is that he came in expecting the same work ethics as the steeler players from redskin players. His expectations were obviously ludicrous.

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I wonder if Parker made any attempt to instill those work ethics here.

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it sure didn't seem like it. To me it comes across as a way of saying, I didn't succeed because my teammates didn't work hard enough.

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[quote=SmootSmack;801726]I wonder if Parker made any attempt to instill those work ethics here.[/quote]

It takes two to tango. Can't instill anything if there aren't any willing partners.

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you really think with players like PD, Fletcher, Armstrong there aren't willing partners?

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I have heard nothing but good things about the work ethics of guys like Zo, Torain, Wilson, doughty, even Malcolm Kelly, to name a few so I dont buy that there were no willing partners

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[quote=GreekSkin;801730]you really think with players like PD, Fletcher, Armstrong there aren't willing partners?[/quote]

Changing the [B]collective whole[/B] is going to take more than just buddying up with the "no need to fix" guys on the team. Even if Willie were competent at the tast, he would have had to have a LOT of time on his hands to go beyond a small circle of players.

What Parker(and Tryon, and Edwin Williams, and maybe others) experienced when he landed in Redskins-land is that the values and tacit assumptions that have been fostered here is that football is a tier below "fun time" and "getting attention". Yes, SOME guys like Fletch and PD show up and just do their work, but others DO NOT FOLLOW their lead because it hasn't been drilled into them by the folks at the top. AH is one of them, but I would also suspect that guys like CP, Rogers, also showed some lack of commitment compared to the "minimum standard" follow in places elsewhere in the league.

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[quote=SmootSmack;801731]I have heard nothing but good things about the work ethics of guys like Zo, Torain, Wilson, doughty, even Malcolm Kelly, to name a few so I dont buy that there were no willing partners[/quote]

I admit that what I actually said did not convey the intuition I actually wanted to convey. My bad.

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I am sure we have a group of players that do what it takes to win and have a great work ethics. The question is how do we collectively stack up against the steelers? I am of the opinion that our players collectively don't work as hard as the steelers.

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One of the greatest detriments to the Redskins for the better part of the last decade has been distractions [at the most inopportune times] in one form or another. Usually when the time comes to work and prepare, the team is constantly beset by all manner of issues that divert attention from the task at hand.

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I'm still undecided on whether or not distractions actually have an effect on a team.

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[quote=steveherrin;801903]I'm still undecided on whether or not distractions actually have an effect on a team.[/quote]

With the exception of SS and maybe a few others, most of us are in the bleachers on on the couch at the end of the day so its all speculation. I'd like to think it doesn't though.