Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=skinsfanthru&thru;800033]When it was rumored we'd be lucky to get a 4th for mcnabb I don't see any chance at all with this idea and hope we don't either. Ponder is not worth the money he's gonna be getting much less for us to also lose a 2nd pick next year on the guy.[/quote]

Your probably right, but what if? we can get rid of McNabb, not have to worry about Beck starting, do whatever with Grossman, and Have a Rookie QB Ponder either starting or waiting in the wings learning? Most of everyone here were hoping the team would pick up a Rookie QB for the future, heck they were even willing to settle for a late draft Stanzi.

Atleast this way if it were a possibility we wouldn't have to worry about VY being our QB.

I'll agree with you I'm reaching and most likely Ponder won't be apart of any trade scenario's.

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carson palmer anyone?

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[quote=bertoskins2;800043]carson palmer anyone?[/quote]

Remember when we offered a 1st and a conditional third the following year that could have also become a 1st for Ochocinco and the Bengals said it wasn't enough? Yeah, we're not getting Palmer. Even if we wanted him.

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Why didn't they just draft Mallett or Stanzi if they wanted to go through the growing pains of bringing in another veteran? Sheesh.

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Not just because SS but I think Vince young makes the most sense. I've been saying all along that Beck is already 30 so what future does he have? I don't know how true the rumors are but Kyle Orton has been mentioned over the weekend as a possibility

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I'm fine w/ Rex for now and maybe Beck. If Beck starts we could be in line to draft Luck next year.

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You guys need to chill on the Andrew Luck stuff.

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We can not trade with Minnie for Ponder if the Commish finds out this was pre-arranged he will hand out HEAVY fines.

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^ lol we are not trading for ponder guys. That would be insane, plus he's not any good. The Vikings made a horrible decision that they were pressured into.

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[quote=12thMan;800028]I could totally hold my nose and live with Grossman. If he can get us to 8-8 or 9-7, I could live with that.[/quote]

I'm with you and Schneed. It's going to be Grossman because he knows the system better than anyone else. Beck will be the backup, or 3rd stringer for whoever else they decide to bring in.

It won't be anything splashy.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

We can all agree upon that McNabb is gone. We may be able to get a player or maybe (if you are lucky) a 3'rd round draft pick. I don't see us getting both for him. Painsworth we will most likely end up cutting... We should not trade away any of our next year picks for a qb. I'd sign a free agent. I read online on the espn wegbsite that Alex Smith got a playbook from the 49ers. Here is the link [url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6457581]San Francisco 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh met with Alex Smith on Friday, says he 'is a 49er' - ESPN[/url] If that is true then most likely he will resign with them. What do you think of Brady Quinn? Better than Grossman, & Beck. In my Madden league he lights it up but that is just a game.....

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Didn't Orton play for both Chicago and Denver and has not worked out? Oh wait that sounds familiar...... Who could that be? Oh yeah ..... Beck. We might as well keep Beck. Sign Grossman for another year, give him better protection so he can stay up right and make the throws, and see what's available in FA and the Draft next year.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;800053]We can not trade with Minnie for Ponder if the Commish finds out this was pre-arranged he will hand out HEAVY fines.[/quote]

Right now they can't trade Ponder, but later when the CBA is finalized and teams are allowed to trade players it could be done. And your right there would be a heafty fine if the NFL found out, but has to be proven that the deal was made when they could not. But let me ask you this.... it's only against the rules to talk to a player who is under contract. Nothing says teams can't talk to teams about contracted players and nothing says teams can't agree to trade players now and trade the actual players later.

The Lockout only means teams can not talk with players, can not trade players, and can not coach players. Nothing says owners or coaches can not talk to each other and nothing says teams or coaches can not come to an agreement so later when trades are allowed they can swap players.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

Shanahan Has a 'Game Plan' At Quarterback
By Gary Fitzgerald: Redskins.com

In a draft full of surprises, the biggest surprise may be that the Redskins did not draft a quarterback. And now John Beck could be a candidate to be the Redskins' 2011 starter.

After the Redskins picked their last of 12 players -- nose tackle Chris Neild from West Virginia -- in the seventh round, head coach Mike Shanahan said the team has a "game plan" for the quarterback position.

"We have a lot of different directions we could go," he said. "I can't share it with you for obvious reasons. But we do have a plan."

The plan appears to include John Beck, the third quarterback for most of last season behind Donovan McNabb and Rex Grossman.

Beck, 29, was acquired by the Redskins in a trade with the Baltimore Ravens in 2010 training camp. He was signed to a contract extension just before the start of the regular season.

Beck has not taken an NFL regular season snap since 2007 when he was with the Miami Dolphins.

Asked about Beck on Saturday night after the draft, Shanahan praised the fifth-year quarterback but would not get into specifics in terms of his role.

"Let me say when John Beck came out [of the draft] I had him as the top-ranked QB that year," Shanahan said. "I didn’t even think it was close. So I have a lot of confidence in John Beck. You evaluate a lot of quarterbacks in a [draft] and he was by far the No. 1 guy. So I think the world of him.

"But I’m not going to get into detail about [the team's quarterback situation]."

Of course, the Redskins could explore quarterback options in free agency once it starts. Free agency is on hold until the NFL labor situation is resolved.

In explaining the team's decisionmaking at quarterback, Shanahan said: "When you have a board, when you pick at certain times, you have to decide what you’re going to give up, the depth of your football team, how long it will take a guy to play, if he fits in your system.

"If that guy does come in, how long will he be on the bench? Do you want to go out in free agency [and get a quarterback]? Do you have somebody targeted? Do you have somebody targeted at the college level as an undrafted guy?

"Obviously we can’t give our game plan away but those are the things we evaluate as part of the process."

The Redskins had opportunities to draft one of the elite quarterbacks as high as the first round.

Missouri's Blaine Gabbert, regarded as a top 10 pick, had fallen to the Redskins at No. 10 overall. Shanahan decided to trade down in the first round with the Jacksonville Jaguars at No. 16 overall. The Jaguars promptly selected Gabbert.

Shanahan opted not to pursue TCU's Andy Dalton and Nevada's Colin Kaepernick, both of whom were selected early in the second round.

In the mid-rounds, Shanahan bypassed the likes of Arkansas's Ryan Mallett, Alabama's Greg McElroy, Iowa's Ricky Stanzi, North Carolina's T.J. Yates and Virginia Tech's Tyrod Taylor.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

I guess they figured a rookie QB selected in this year's draft wouldn't fair any better than Grossman or Beck.

I believe they played this one exactly right.

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Beck will be in the mix and why not? I think we'll bring in a vet and re-sign Grossman too.

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Competition at the position will be a good thing, the same goes for all other position players.

I really don't think anyone is looking to either Beck or Grossman as being our savior at the position, rather a means to an end. The end result is still in the making.

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first of all,forget about Andrew Luck.According to CBS sports.com he's not coming out until 2013.next year's college crop does not look as good as this year.what about Matt Linhart with Houston?they just drafted T.J. Yates.

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If Leinart can't wake the hell up after two chances, the dude's not going to wake the hell up.

Remember, to Matt Leinart, football comes in second to babes, hot tubs, and beer.

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I think we will get a QB from FA & what we will probably do is based on how long this hold out/stand off last sign the QB a design certain plays for him until he picks up the system.

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[quote=skinsfan57;800075]first of all,forget about Andrew Luck.According to CBS sports.com he's not coming out until 2013.next year's college crop does not look as good as this year.what about Matt Linhart with Houston?they just drafted T.J. Yates.[/quote]

As coveted as the experts proclaim he will be upon his eventual decision to enter the NFL, there's already negative karma swirling around his awkward throwing motion.

The negatives as well as the positives are always to the forefront.

[Quote] Oliver Luck, Andrew's Dad..“Call him old school,” Oliver Luck said. “He comes from a faction of people who believe you go to college to pursue your degree.” [Unquote]

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[quote=Beemnseven;800078]Remember, to Matt Leinart, football comes in second to babes, hot tubs, and beer.[/quote]

Matt and I have a lot in common

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[quote=GusFrerotte;799988]Mr Palmer for Mr McNabb, plus a pick.[/quote]

I just don't see that happening. Everyone saw how bad McNabb looked at times last year. He'll be a year older, just don't see why Cincy would want him. At this point in McNabb's career he simply has little value.

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Really hoping the Dolphins are foolish enough to take McNabb for Chad Henne after the lockout ends, and still give up a late round pick in the deal.

The fact that the Dolphins didn't draft anyone at the QB position suggests this is a pipe dream though.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=Longtimefan;800060]Shanahan Has a 'Game Plan' At Quarterback
By Gary Fitzgerald: Redskins.com

In a draft full of surprises, the biggest surprise may be that the Redskins did not draft a quarterback. And now John Beck could be a candidate to be the Redskins' 2011 starter.

After the Redskins picked their last of 12 players -- nose tackle Chris Neild from West Virginia -- in the seventh round, head coach Mike Shanahan said the team has a "game plan" for the quarterback position.

"We have a lot of different directions we could go," he said. "I can't share it with you for obvious reasons. But we do have a plan."

The plan appears to include John Beck, the third quarterback for most of last season behind Donovan McNabb and Rex Grossman.

Beck, 29, was acquired by the Redskins in a trade with the Baltimore Ravens in 2010 training camp. He was signed to a contract extension just before the start of the regular season.

Beck has not taken an NFL regular season snap since 2007 when he was with the Miami Dolphins.

Asked about Beck on Saturday night after the draft, Shanahan praised the fifth-year quarterback but would not get into specifics in terms of his role.

"Let me say when John Beck came out [of the draft] I had him as the top-ranked QB that year," Shanahan said. "I didn’t even think it was close. So I have a lot of confidence in John Beck. You evaluate a lot of quarterbacks in a [draft] and he was by far the No. 1 guy. So I think the world of him.

"But I’m not going to get into detail about [the team's quarterback situation]."

Of course, the Redskins could explore quarterback options in free agency once it starts. Free agency is on hold until the NFL labor situation is resolved.

In explaining the team's decisionmaking at quarterback, Shanahan said: "When you have a board, when you pick at certain times, you have to decide what you’re going to give up, the depth of your football team, how long it will take a guy to play, if he fits in your system.

"If that guy does come in, how long will he be on the bench? Do you want to go out in free agency [and get a quarterback]? Do you have somebody targeted? Do you have somebody targeted at the college level as an undrafted guy?

"Obviously we can’t give our game plan away but those are the things we evaluate as part of the process."

The Redskins had opportunities to draft one of the elite quarterbacks as high as the first round.

Missouri's Blaine Gabbert, regarded as a top 10 pick, had fallen to the Redskins at No. 10 overall. Shanahan decided to trade down in the first round with the Jacksonville Jaguars at No. 16 overall. The Jaguars promptly selected Gabbert.

Shanahan opted not to pursue TCU's Andy Dalton and Nevada's Colin Kaepernick, both of whom were selected early in the second round.

In the mid-rounds, Shanahan bypassed the likes of Arkansas's Ryan Mallett, Alabama's Greg McElroy, Iowa's Ricky Stanzi, North Carolina's T.J. Yates and Virginia Tech's Tyrod Taylor.[/quote]

I have no idea why Shanahan is so high on John Beck. Average arm, average mobility, can't make the players around him better...I really don't care what the guy did in college cause that was like 5 years ago.

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[quote=GTripp0012;800084]Really hoping the Dolphins are foolish enough to take McNabb for Chad Henne after the lockout ends, and still give up a late round pick in the deal.

The fact that the Dolphins didn't draft anyone at the QB position suggests this is a pipe dream though.[/quote]

I doubt they're that foolish. Miami isn't giving up on Henne yet. And I don't see anyone giving away a draft pick for a guy who might get cut.

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[quote=12thMan;800028]I could totally hold my nose and live with Grossman. If he can get us to 8-8 or 9-7, I could live with that.[/quote]

I'd rather go 2-14 then 8-8.

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[quote=VTSkins;800057]We can all agree upon that McNabb is gone. We may be able to get a player or maybe (if you are lucky) a 3'rd round draft pick. I don't see us getting both for him. Painsworth we will most likely end up cutting... We should not trade away any of our next year picks for a qb. I'd sign a free agent. I read online on the espn wegbsite that Alex Smith got a playbook from the 49ers. Here is the link [url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6457581]San Francisco 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh met with Alex Smith on Friday, says he 'is a 49er' - ESPN[/url] If that is true then most likely he will resign with them. What do you think of Brady Quinn? Better than Grossman, & Beck. In my Madden league he lights it up but that is just a game.....[/quote]

[url=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/05/01/SP9T1JA91V.DTL]49ers: Harbaugh bets playbook on Alex Smith at QB[/url]

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^ good luck for harbaugh I think SF will finish with 7 or less wins again next year.

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[quote=skinsfan69;800090]I'd rather go 2-14 then 8-8.[/quote]

Not interested in making some progress eh?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;800109]^ good luck for harbaugh I think SF will finish with 7 or less wins again next year.[/quote]

Playoffs. This team has a hell of a lot of talent, the OL will have another year of experience. The team is loaded and Harbaugh will lead them to the playoffs.

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San Francisco has an elite RB(but the injury bug does like him), an elite TE, a playmaking WR, and a top tier run defense. The just need a QB and better pass D, and then they'll be riding high.

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7 wins in the NFC West ensures a home playoff game, so SF will most likely make the playoffs.

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[quote=skinsfan69;800090]I'd rather go 2-14 then 8-8.[/quote]

THANK YOU, finally someone who shares my sentiment. I know its not gonna happen, but I hope shanny starts beck in an attempt to throw the season so we can get luck next year.

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[quote=skinsfan69;800090]I'd rather go 2-14 then 8-8.[/quote]

[quote=skinster;800127]THANK YOU, finally someone who shares my sentiment. I know its not gonna happen, but I hope shanny starts beck in an attempt to throw the season so we can get luck next year.[/quote]

I don't get this way of thinking at all. It is like hoping that that someone rapes your wife so that you can then earn brownie points by being there to console her.

A fan, by definition, roots for his team to do well.

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[quote=Lotus;800129]I don't get this way of thinking at all. It is like hoping that that someone rapes your wife so that you can then earn brownie points by being there to console her.

A fan, by definition, roots for his team to do well.[/quote]

GMs have to adopt the attitude though,[B] if [/B]there's a player that will be a game-breaker to be obtained [B]and[/B] the current roster isn't worth preserving. However, rather than ask the coach to tank, they blow up the team so that it can't win that many games. The Caps, while in a different sport, did adopt this strategy.

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[quote=Mattyk;800110]Not interested in making some progress eh?[/quote]

As you probably know by my statements, I want nothing but young guys out there next year. That may mean only winning a few games next year but I'm ok with that. This is a rebuilding job, and by the way the draft went Shanahan and co. realize that too.

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[quote=Lotus;800129]I don't get this way of thinking at all. It is like hoping that that someone rapes your wife so that you can then earn brownie points by being there to console her.

A fan, by definition, roots for his team to do well.[/quote]

What is 7 or 8 wins going to accomplish for a team that needs an overhaul? When it's all said and done we need a franchise QB, someone that when they walk on the field can make everyone around them better. I don't know who that person is, but he's obviously not on the roster.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;800136]GMs have to adopt the attitude though,[B] if [/B]there's a player that will be a game-breaker to be obtained [B]and[/B] the current roster isn't worth preserving. However, rather than ask the coach to tank, they blow up the team so that it can't win that many games.[B] The Caps, while in a different sport, did adopt this strategy.[/quote][/B]

And so do the Wizards.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;800112]Playoffs. This team has a hell of a lot of talent, the OL will have another year of experience. The team is loaded and Harbaugh will lead them to the playoffs.[/quote]

No chance, the rams and cards will both be better than SF. Gore is older and more injury prone, VDavis isn't a Superstar as someone else just said and they have no QB, defense wasnt anything special and Who's the star WR? Like I said 7 wins maybe