Re: Zorn Fired
 

[quote=Mattyk;780967]Not sure that Ryan actually interviewed, he was on our radar but for DC[/quote]

I think you are right actually. As someone else noted, many could have taken themselves out of the running. Of course, this is in hindsight but if they liked Rex Ryan why didn't they offer him the job vs the DC (prior to the coach being hired)? RR had alot more experience than Zorn.

What's done is done. There are alot of things the Skins have done that have confused me.

Re: Zorn Fired
 

[quote=Mattyk;780981]This week I've heard that Rak is lazy and Flacco sucks.

Hilarious.[/quote]

Who the heck said Rak was lazy? That's the most insane thing I've heard in quite awhile, but what is most insane is the fact that I am not surprised that someone would say such a retarded thing.

Ahhhh....if only everybody could live up to the motto of this forum! :(

Re: Zorn Fired
 

[quote=skinsguy;781031]Who the heck said Rak was lazy? That's the most insane thing I've heard in quite awhile, but what is most insane is the fact that I am not surprised that someone would say such a retarded thing.

Ahhhh....if only everybody could live up to the motto of this forum! :([/quote]

Here is your culprit...

[quote=IrMitchell;780764]I would go as far to say that Von Miller is a better collegiate football player than Orakpo.

Orakpo was lazy in college, and unfortunately it translated to the pros. If only that guy gave 90% he'd be getting 15 sacks a year.[/quote]

[quote=IrMitchell;780769]Have you truly not realized this? It was his biggest knock coming out of college also.

He's a great player, in fact our best player.. but lazy.[/quote]

[quote=IrMitchell;780780]Hey I'm not here to start bashing the guy. I'm just saying that he's lazy and could be even better if he was using that same speed on every play.[/quote]

Re: Zorn Fired
 

In IR's defense though, he did a post a link with video of Orakpo's draft day where Mayock says one concern Mayock has about Orakpo is that he doesn't always give 100% effort. So while I don't really agree with IR or Mayock here, I'm not going to knock either for their opinion

Re: Zorn Fired
 

[quote=SmootSmack;781037]In IR's defense though, he did a post a link with video of Orakpo's draft day where Mayock says one concern Mayock has about Orakpo is that he doesn't always give 100% effort. So while I don't really agree with IR or Mayock here, I'm not going to knock either for their opinion[/quote]

I feel like it is a bit of a stretch to deduce Orakpo is lazy on the account of a 5 second comment Mayock made that stated that he didn't always give 100% effort. If that's the only evidence he has to back up his claim he may as well make that same statement about two thirds of the entire NFL. Mayock says a lot of people around the league have said this. What other people? I haven't heard this disucssion about Orakpo being explosive only about 80% of the time, and not playing that hard the rest of the snaps.

Re: Zorn Fired
 

I'm guessing "lack of effort" can be subtle and one would have to watch the many Texas games Rak was in to get a clear picture of what exactly is meant by "lack of effort".

Re: Zorn Fired
 

If Rak learned how to use his arms and hands he probably couldn't be stopped

Re: Zorn Fired
 

[quote=tryfuhl;781042]If Rak learned how to use his arms and hands he probably couldn't be stopped[/quote]

And bending. When you turn the corner very low to the ground, it is harder for them to hold you.

Hopefully he's working on these things as we speak.

Re: Zorn Fired
 

There was this too

[url=http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2009/03/26/is-orakpo-criticism-a-smoke-screen/]Inside The Bills | Is Orakpo criticism a smoke screen? «[/url]

But whatever, if there was an issue before I don't see it now with Orakpo and I think we'd all agree we're happy he's on our team

Re: Zorn Fired
 

[quote=Lotus;781044]And bending. When you turn the corner very low to the ground, it is harder for them to hold you.

Hopefully he's working on these things as we speak.[/quote]

Someone should send him a twitter message to nab some Freeney and Mathais film from the Colts' not-so-secret archives.

Re: Zorn Fired
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;781040]I'm guessing "lack of effort" can be subtle and [B]one would have to watch the many Texas games Rak was in[/B] to get a clear picture of what exactly is meant by "lack of effort".[/quote]

You know where your one stop shop for all that is sports video is don't you?!

Why that's [URL="http://espn.go.com/espn3/index"]www.espn3.com [/URL] :)

Re: Zorn Fired
 

[quote=SmootSmack;781045]There was this too

[URL="http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2009/03/26/is-orakpo-criticism-a-smoke-screen/"]Inside The Bills | Is Orakpo criticism a smoke screen? «[/URL]

But whatever, if there was an issue before I don't see it now with Orakpo and I think [B]we'd all agree we're happy he's on our team[/B][/quote]

end of story

Re: Zorn Fired
 

[quote=Giantone;780902]..............and you know this ....how?[/quote]

How do I know? I usually hang out on other teams fan sites and mock them but pathetic use of time aside you figure 3rd year guy, coming back into the same system for another year, the addition of Boldin/Stallworth/Houshmanzadeh to throw to, 2 starting quality backs and a good OL, an impactful defense - I mean what more do you want. I live in Baltimore Im familiar with the Ravens. I'm a Skins fan familiar with the Zorn debacle. Ive watched Cam Cameron since he arrived in Bmore- HAVE YOU???

You look at Flacco's numbers and while his TD went up, INt's went down, YET his passing yards remained low around 3200-3500 yds.

I almost reject your question. You see there is a team called the Ravens if your not familiar. This conversation sorta needs a prerequisite of Zorn/Ravens/Cameron/Flacco/Skins- to which Im qualified not too sure about where your coming from on this.

Re: Zorn Fired
 

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jim-zorn-firing-not-as-surpris.html?wprss=redskinsinsider]Redskins Insider - Jim Zorn firing not as surprising as the reasons behind it[/url]

Re: Zorn Fired
 

Does Zorn make the jump to media analyst? Is he capable of that?

Re: Zorn Fired
 

Interesting that Flacco wanted him to stay

Re: Zorn Fired
 

[quote=SmootSmack;781076][URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jim-zorn-firing-not-as-surpris.html?wprss=redskinsinsider"]Redskins Insider - Jim Zorn firing not as surprising as the reasons behind it[/URL][/quote]

This says that team brass approached him & tried to get him to resign in midseason. It was discussed here at length & many columnists speculated w/good reason that the hiring of Sherm Lewis was an attempt to get him out, but this makes it sound definitive that he was asked to quit.

Re: Zorn Fired
 

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/28/harbaugh-zorn-report-is-inaccurate-and-unfair/]Harbaugh: Zorn report is “inaccurate and unfair” | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Re: Zorn Fired
 

Zorn was fired. Plain and simple. If the organization thinks he could help with the continued improvement of the team, basically a contributor he would still be a Raven today. Obviously they thought he couldnt be. Their GM is maybe the best in the game, if not, one of the top 5...I trust what he did was not a mistake.

Re: Zorn Fired
 

One of the main reasons why the Ravens fired quarterbacks coach Jim Zorn was his teaching methods, according to a league source.

Ravens coach John Harbaugh and offensive coordinator Cam Cameron spent all day Tuesday questioning Zorn about how he was coaching quarterback Joe Flacco and were concerned about Zorn being insubordinate, the source added.

Harbaugh disputed this report, saying it is "inaccurate and unfair to Jim Zorn" and "in no way does it describe Jim’s relationship with the Ravens, and that includes with his fellow coaches while here and our players."

But Harbaugh didn't specify any reason for Zorn's termination. "Jim’s departure from the Ravens will remain as private as these matters can be," Harbaugh said Friday, "but we feel it’s necessary to at least point out that this report is inaccurate. It is not true in any way, shape or form.”

Re: Zorn Fired
 

Here's the link for LTF's post

[url=http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2011/01/source_ravens_unhappy_with_zorns_teaching_methods.html]Ravens Insider: Source: Ravens unhappy with Zorn's teaching methods - Baltimore Ravens news, schedule, analysis and opinion - baltimoresun.com[/url]

Re: Zorn Fired
 

[quote=SmootSmack;781125]Here's the link for LTF's post

[url=http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2011/01/source_ravens_unhappy_with_zorns_teaching_methods.html]Ravens Insider: Source: Ravens unhappy with Zorn's teaching methods - Baltimore Ravens news, schedule, analysis and opinion - baltimoresun.com[/url][/quote]

Thanks for providing SS. I couldn't locate the actual link or author.

Re: Zorn Fired
 

Wait so they didn't like the Slip'n'Slide?

Re: Zorn Fired
 

At least this league source seems more credible than a JLC league source.

Re: Zorn Fired
 

I'm glad Harbaugh came out and poopoo'd the report because it sounds like BS. First off how in the world could Zorn be insubordinate? That seems almost comical. Second...they don't get to act surprised about his coaching methods...it's not like they weren't highly documented while he was here...JUST 30 MILES SOUTH. Cameron wanted more control and it wasn't going to work to have both. Period.

Re: Zorn Fired
 

So once again, Vinny Cerrato is lost in the discussion of how much he destroyed this franchise. People seem hell bent on bringing up people that were parts of his failures, such as Zorn and Jason Campbell. Honestly, anything that happens to Zorn and Campbell is not relevant Redskins news. Sure they were part of what was wrong with the team, but whether Zorn and Campbell succeed or fail elsewhere in the league shouldn't matter to the Redskins anymore and their fans.

Re: Zorn Fired
 

[quote=Ruhskins;781148]So once again, Vinny Cerrato is lost in the discussion of how much he destroyed this franchise. People seem hell bent on bringing up people that were parts of his failures, such as Zorn and Jason Campbell. Honestly, anything that happens to Zorn and Campbell is not relevant Redskins news. Sure they were part of what was wrong with the team, [B]but whether Zorn and Campbell succeed or fail elsewhere in the league shouldn't matter to the Redskins anymore and their fans.[/B][/quote]

Thats a matter of opinion Ruh. The way I see it is, By following ex Redskins, we can gain insight into what philosophies can be changed or adjusted by what is working or not working with ex Redskins.

For instance, did the guy suck or was he being coached or positioned in the wrong way. If AH gets on a team that plays the 4-3, and that team allows him to play his natural position, and he dominates, well we have to consider that the next time we bring in a player like him.

If any team needs to learn from it's mistakes, it's the Redskins.

Re: Zorn Fired
 

[quote=Ruhskins;781148]So once again, Vinny Cerrato is lost in the discussion of how much he destroyed this franchise. People seem hell bent on bringing up people that were parts of his failures, such as Zorn and Jason Campbell. Honestly, anything that happens to Zorn and Campbell is not relevant Redskins news. Sure they were part of what was wrong with the team, but whether Zorn and Campbell succeed or fail elsewhere in the league shouldn't matter to the Redskins anymore and their fans.[/quote]

JC was all Joe Gibbs.

Re: Zorn Fired
 

[quote=SmootSmack;781045]There was this too

[url=http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2009/03/26/is-orakpo-criticism-a-smoke-screen/]Inside The Bills | Is Orakpo criticism a smoke screen? «[/url]

But whatever, if there was an issue before I don't see it now with Orakpo and I think we'd all agree we're happy he's on our team[/quote]No doubt

[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Orakpo_Hopes_to_Escape_Holding_Pattern_189792.jsp]Orakpo Hopes to Escape Holding Pattern[/url]

Re: Zorn Fired
 

Flacco not pleased with Zorn getting axed, at all:

[URL="http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/blogs/sports/ravens/ravens-joe-flacco-on-jim-zorn-firing-i-m-not/article_c0c9e8ec-2bec-11e0-8a92-001cc4c03286.html"]RAVENS: Joe Flacco on Jim Zorn firing: 'I'm not happy about it' - Carroll County Times: Ravens-joe-flacco-on-jim-zorn-firing-i-m-not[/URL]

[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/29/flacco-sounds-off-on-firing-of-zorn/"]
[/URL]

Re: Zorn Fired
 

[quote=Ruhskins;780867]I don't get the blind hate for Zorn. Dude was over his head and the fools that hired him should get the blame. He's not blameless, but he wasn't the only problem in this team.[/quote]

Agree 100%.

Re: Zorn Fired
 

Yeah, I agree. I mean you can't blame Zorn for taking the job. I work at a pretty large company, and if htey offered me the CEO job tommarow, and gauranteed me $25 million dollars over the next five years... what am I going to say, no? That was 100% on Snyder for hiring him.... I dont want to get back on Snyder because I think that might be what made him finally realize he needed to change... but I kinda liked Zorn in a way. Not for our team as the head coach...but I certainly don't wish ill will on the guy.

Re: Zorn Fired
 

[quote=Gmanc711;781225]Yeah, I agree. I mean you can't blame Zorn for taking the job. I work at a pretty large company, and if htey offered me the CEO job tommarow, and gauranteed me $25 million dollars over the next five years... what am I going to say, no? That was 100% on Snyder for hiring him.... I dont want to get back on Snyder because I think that might be what made him finally realize he needed to change... but I kinda liked Zorn in a way. Not for our team as the head coach...but I certainly don't wish ill will on the guy.[/quote]

Hell, even if you take the money part out of the equation, Zorn does seem like a guy who is confident that he could get the job done, in his own rather original way.

Zorn's a good man though and his approach does have its merit. If I wanted someone to mentor my future kids (if I have any) or someone who needs support, Zorn would be someone I'd definitely consider. But to lead a football team, he just doesn't have the right approach.

Re: Zorn Fired
 

[quote=Dread-Skin;781071]How do I know? I usually hang out on other teams fan sites and mock them but pathetic use of time aside you figure 3rd year guy, coming back into the same system for another year, the addition of Boldin/Stallworth/Houshmanzadeh to throw to, 2 starting quality backs and a good OL, an impactful defense - I mean what more do you want. I live in Baltimore Im familiar with the Ravens. I'm a Skins fan familiar with the Zorn debacle. Ive watched Cam Cameron since he arrived in Bmore- HAVE YOU???

You look at Flacco's numbers and while his TD went up, INt's went down, YET his passing yards remained low around 3200-3500 yds.

I almost reject your question. You see there is a team called the Ravens if your not familiar. This conversation sorta needs a prerequisite of Zorn/Ravens/Cameron/Flacco/Skins- to which Im qualified not too sure about where your coming from on this.[/quote]


LOL..........yeah well, I was kinda looking more for facts ...like his yards per catch had dropped(about the same) or less TD's(up) then before or not finding the open man. but as someone else asked are they canning the recievers coach also? One thing for sure players like him so I'm still trying to understand how you think Zorn stunted Flacco's growth as a QB?

Re: Zorn Fired
 

[quote=skinsfan_nn;781216]Flacco not pleased with Zorn getting axed, at all:

[URL="http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/blogs/sports/ravens/ravens-joe-flacco-on-jim-zorn-firing-i-m-not/article_c0c9e8ec-2bec-11e0-8a92-001cc4c03286.html"]RAVENS: Joe Flacco on Jim Zorn firing: 'I'm not happy about it' - Carroll County Times: Ravens-joe-flacco-on-jim-zorn-firing-i-m-not[/URL]

[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/29/flacco-sounds-off-on-firing-of-zorn/"]
[/URL][/quote]


He sounds pissed , good for him.

Re: Zorn Fired
 

NFL Network reporting tonight that El Zorno has been hired ot be Qb coach with KC Chiefs.

Re: Zorn Fired
 

[quote=Defensewins;784686]NFL Network reporting tonight that El Zorno has been hired ot be Qb coach with KC Chiefs.[/quote]

Go ahead and slide Matt Cassel down in your fantasy rankings next year

Re: Zorn Fired
 

[quote=chico23231;784707]go ahead and slide matt cassel down in your fantasy rankings next year[/quote]

+ 10

Re: Zorn Fired
 

HOP: Didn't Flacco and JC both have their best seasons with him?

Re: Zorn Fired
 

[quote=Mattyk;784712]HOP: Didn't Flacco and JC both have their best seasons with him?[/quote]

they probably did, but its kinda like they both wouldnt even get a start on my fantasy team