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[quote=skinsfaninok;780226]Yeah I just dont see 1 guy helping that much.. Trade down get good players.. BUILD a damn team finally[/quote]

That's the key. Trading down to get more GOOD players.

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[quote=IrMitchell;780230]I've seen you make a few bold statements like this. I'd love to know how exactly you heard this?

Trading/Not re-signing Woodley would be nearly the equivalent of letting Brian Orakpo walk in free agency.. These things just don't happen. Especially when Farrior and Harrison are reaching the end of their careers.

As for the Redskins trading out of the first round? How on earth does this stuff leave the front office? :confused:

*I apologize if you truly do know something that every other Redskin fan doesn't, but this seems like a bit of a stretch.[/quote]

He works for the "worldwide leader" for starters

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[quote=SmootSmack;780211]Hear that most teams see Kaepernick as a hybrid/wildcat type of player

redskins also spoke with Locker, Carimi, Moffitt, Casey Matthews, and Greg Jones.

I hear their preference is to get an outside linebacker through free agency (once again, the name that comes up is Woodley) and then get help inside through the draft. But the CBA could put a damper on that.

[B]For what it's worth Ive also heard they're seriously considering trading out of the first round. I think it's too early to really know for sure though[/B][/quote]

Out of all the discussion of the draft so far of players and pics on this board, this information gets me the excited. Like ive stated b4, this isnt the draft to have a top ten pick, especially with Luck staying. If we trade for a player with this pick, it better be a beast, best case would be multiple picks in the second and third. NE has alot of those.

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Locker apparently looking better today. Titans, Redskins, Vikings, Cardinals, Panthers all reportedly talking to him and paying close attention

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Locker has bust written all over him. I hope we don't take him....or Newton.

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[quote=skinsfan69;780312]Locker has bust written all over him. I hope we don't take him....or Newton.[/quote]
I guess you think that Grosman will ride us to the Superbowl. Or Maybe Beck? Until we get a QB, we will be medicore at best. The only sure way to get a QB is to keep drafting high till you get one. You dont have a chance untill you have one, so why worry about other pieces untill you have one in place.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;780317]I guess you think that Grosman will ride us to the Superbowl. Or Maybe Beck? Until we get a QB, we will be medicore at best. The only sure way to get a QB is to keep drafting high till you get one. [B]You dont have a chance untill you have one, so why worry about other pieces untill you have one in place[/B].[/quote]If you can't land the franchise QB, you keep building the OL / DL and work to acquire the franchise QB. The last thing you do is waste a top ten pick reaching on a QB. That reach on the QB sets the franchise back at least 3-4 years. Better to take a QB in the lower rounds (less investment) and see if one can develop into a solid starter.

If you have all the other pieces in place a reach (Sanchez) won't hurt the team as much and that QB will look a lot better behind a very good OL with a very good D on the other side of the ball.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;780323][B]If you can't land the franchise QB, you keep building the OL / DL and work to acquire the franchise QB.[/B] The last thing you do is waste a top ten pick reaching on a QB. That reach on the QB sets the franchise back at least 3-4 years. Better to take a QB in the lower rounds (less investment) and see if one can develop into a solid starter.

If you have all the other pieces in place a reach (Sanchez) won't hurt the team as much and that [B]QB will look a lot better behind a very good OL[/B] with a very good D on the other side of the ball.[/quote]

Good Post!!
Would you please shoot a copy over to Redskins Park just to make sure Bruce and MS are on board with the plan?

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;780323][B]If you can't land the franchise QB, you keep building the OL / DL and work to acquire the franchise QB. The last thing you do is waste a top ten pick reaching on a QB.[/B] That reach on the QB sets the franchise back at least 3-4 years. Better to take a QB in the lower rounds (less investment) and see if one can develop into a solid starter.

If you have all the other pieces in place a reach (Sanchez) won't hurt the team as much and that QB will look a lot better behind a very good OL with a very good D on the other side of the ball.[/quote]

A-freaking-men...well said

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You have so many kids coming out of school early, I believe 2nd rounders are almost like 1st rounders this year. I'd love to pick up another 2nd via trade or trading down. Of course, easy for us to say this over and over. If we do pick up one or two additional picks, Hankerson might be a steal in the 2nd. I know WR is not the highest priority. Of course I'd rather pick up at least 1 OL and 1 DL prior to going elsewhere. Anyways..

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/01/24/senior.bowl.monday/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_sports]Colin Kaepernick, Leonard Hankerson, Jake Locker updates from Senior Bowl practice - NFL - SI.com[/url]


Leonard Hankerson/WR/Miami: Hankerson proved to be a handful for whomever attempted to cover him. He continually created separation and beat multiple cornerbacks deep to make the downfield catch. Hankerson did not drop a pass all day and made several difficult receptions in practice.

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[quote=redsk1;780333]You have so many kids coming out of school early, I believe 2nd rounders are almost like 1st rounders this year. I'd love to pick up another 2nd via trade or trading down. Of course, easy for us to say this over and over. If we do pick up one or two additional picks, Hankerson might be a steal in the 2nd. I know WR is not the highest priority. Of course I'd rather pick up at least 1 OL and 1 DL prior to going elsewhere. Anyways..

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/01/24/senior.bowl.monday/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_sports]Colin Kaepernick, Leonard Hankerson, Jake Locker updates from Senior Bowl practice - NFL - SI.com[/url]


Leonard Hankerson/WR/Miami: Hankerson proved to be a handful for whomever attempted to cover him. He continually created separation and beat multiple cornerbacks deep to make the downfield catch. Hankerson did not drop a pass all day and made several difficult receptions in practice.[/quote]

If he is so heralded at the senior bowl so far, why is he not already considered a 1st round value? I am always wary of people who put too much stock into one event like the senior bowl, shriners game, or even the combine. You can prepare for a test like at the combine, but mastering that doesn't always make you the best at your position on the field.

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With the #10 overall pick, I'm looking to take the best player. I'm not going to get suckered into just thinking "well, we need to build our OL so let's just take a lineman here even if he doesn't need to be drafted this high"

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[quote=SmootSmack;780338]With the #10 overall pick, I'm looking to take the best player. I'm not going to get suckered into just thinking "well, we need to build our OL so let's just take a lineman here even if he doesn't need to be drafted this high"[/quote]

I like to think its the best player availible at current needs, so a mix of the both. DL, OL, QB, LB, WR or RB.....damn thats a sh*t ton of needs

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[quote=Chico23231;780341]I like to think its the best player availible at current needs, so a mix of the both. DL, OL, QB, LB, WR or RB.....damn thats a sh*t ton of needs[/quote]

You said it

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[quote=SkinzWin;780337]If he is so heralded at the senior bowl so far, why is he not already considered a 1st round value? I am always wary of people who put too much stock into one event like the senior bowl, shriners game, or even the combine. You can prepare for a test like at the combine, but mastering that doesn't always make you the best at your position on the field.[/quote]

I believe he was projected as a 2nd rounder. Of course, projections are just that. You can't put too much emphasis on one day, one event, etc. The guy is a big time talent though even prior to today. Big guy, who's really talented. I don't know sh** though. I've seen him play a few times and he's performing well in SB practices. Maybe worth a look..

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[quote=SmootSmack;780342]You said it[/quote]

So it is outside of TE...lolololol Best player available.:doh:

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[quote=Chico23231;780341]I like to think its the best player availible at current needs, so a mix of the both. DL, OL, QB, LB, WR or RB.....damn thats a sh*t ton of needs[/quote]

I think I/we are hesitant on the best player available method due to Vinny's philosophy. It's probably a good philosophy but unfortunately Vinny couldn't scout well enough/draft well enough to give us good results.

But I do agree w/ the method. If there's no OL/DL that grade out, go w/ the best available. Since we have a need at almost every position it should be easy.

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[quote=SkinzWin;780337]If he is so heralded at the senior bowl so far, why is he not already considered a 1st round value? I am always wary of people who put too much stock into one event like the senior bowl, shriners game, or even the combine. You can prepare for a test like at the combine, but mastering that doesn't always make you the best at your position on the field.[/quote]

The War Room at The Sporting News has Hankerson as a first rounder.

"Bottom line: Hankerson is a two-year starter at receiver for the Hurricanes. He does not have any ability or production as a return man for special teams. He is a first-year starter as a pro, provided that he can improve his route-running consistency."
[url=http://warroom.sportingnews.com/nfl/draft/2011/players/10128.html]SportingNews.com - Pro Football War Room[/url]

They have him rated as the 13th overall player in their top 99.

I also think he could be another Andre Johnson type receiver with his combination of size, strength and speed. He's not as fast as Johnson or as polished, but I really think he could be an elite wideout early in his career.
I'm not an insider with espn.com so if anyone has their scouting report, that would be nice.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;780317]I guess you think that Grosman will ride us to the Superbowl. Or Maybe Beck? Until we get a QB, we will be medicore at best. The only sure way to get a QB is to keep drafting high till you get one. You dont have a chance untill you have one, so why worry about other pieces untill you have one in place.[/quote]

Everything I'd heard about Locker is...great athlete, will probably blow up at the combine, but simply not a skilled enough pure passer to cut it in the NFL. If he can't consistently shread Pac Ten defenses then I'm not sold that he can be good enough to be a passer in the NFL. Therefore I see no reason to take this guy in the first two rounds.

Let's also realize that this team isn't going to be competing for a Super Bowl for several more years, regardless who's playing QB.

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[quote=skinsfan69;780377]Everything I'd heard about Locker is...great athlete, will probably blow up at the combine, but simply not a skilled enough pure passer to cut it in the NFL. If he can't consistently shread Pac Ten defenses then I'm not sold that he can be good enough to be a passer in the NFL. Therefore I see no reason to take this guy in the first two rounds.

Let's also realize that this team isn't going to be competing for a Super Bowl for several more years, regardless who's playing QB.[/quote]

In all fairness they are saying the same about Tebow, and he looked pretty damn good in 2 starts this yr

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;780323][B]If you can't land the franchise QB, you keep building the OL / DL and work to acquire the franchise QB. The last thing you do is waste a top ten pick reaching on a QB. That reach on the QB sets the franchise back at least 3-4 years.[/B] Better to take a QB in the lower rounds (less investment) and see if one can develop into a solid starter.

If you have all the other pieces in place a reach (Sanchez) won't hurt the team as much and that QB will look a lot better behind a very good OL with a very good D on the other side of the ball.[/quote]

This is a great point. And I know a lot of people will not agree with my opinion but I would just get rid of just about every guy on this team approaching 30, tank next year and get in position to draft Andrew Luck in 2012. Of course he's not a sure thing but he seems to be more of a sure thing than any of the guys coming out this year.

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[quote=SmootSmack;780338]With the #10 overall pick, I'm looking to take the best player. I'm not going to get suckered into just thinking "well, we need to build our OL so let's just take a lineman here even if he doesn't need to be drafted this high"[/quote]

I would try and move down.

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[quote=skinsfan69;780380]This is a great point. And I know a lot of people will not agree with my opinion but I would just get rid of just about every guy on this team approaching 30, tank next year and get in position to draft Andrew Luck in 2012. Of course he's not a sure thing but he seems to be more of a sure thing than any of the guys coming out this year.[/quote]

**** That! I'm tired of losing every season, Luck has had 1 great season.. Don't make this guy out to be Manning.. He could be Tim Couch who knows but it's not worth TANKING a season

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[quote=skinsfaninok;780379]In all fairness they are saying the same about Tebow, and he looked pretty damn good in 2 starts this yr[/quote]

C'mon. I could probably go out and get 150 yards on Houston's defense. If Tebow plays a full 16 game schedule his weaknesses are going to show up. 2 starts don't prove a thing. I want to see him over a 16 game schedule.

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[quote=skinsfan69;780384]C'mon. I could probably go out and get 150 yards on Houston's defense. If Tebow plays a full 16 game schedule his weaknesses are going to show up. 2 starts don't prove a thing. I want to see him over a 16 game schedule.[/quote]


I agree but the guy has been doubted his whole football career even at Florida in the beginning. All he does is win and that's what matters most

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[quote=Terpfan76;780365]The War Room at The Sporting News has Hankerson as a first rounder.

"Bottom line: Hankerson is a two-year starter at receiver for the Hurricanes. He does not have any ability or production as a return man for special teams. He is a first-year starter as a pro, provided that he can improve his route-running consistency."
[url=http://warroom.sportingnews.com/nfl/draft/2011/players/10128.html]SportingNews.com - Pro Football War Room[/url]

They have him rated as the 13th overall player in their top 99.

I also think he could be another Andre Johnson type receiver with his combination of size, strength and speed. He's not as fast as Johnson or as polished, but I really think he could be an elite wideout early in his career.
I'm not an insider with espn.com so if anyone has their scouting report, that would be nice.[/quote]

Hankerson is a great reciever, dont know if a first rounder, but a great mid round selection. Everytime I saw the Canes play over the last couple years, easily the best player on the field on the offensive side.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;780383]**** That! I'm tired of losing every season, Luck has had 1 great season.. Don't make this guy out to be Manning.. He could be Tim Couch who knows but it's not worth TANKING a season[/quote]

This team isn't going to the playoffs next year. We need another 2-3 years of solid drafting. It's a rebuilding job.

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[quote=skinsfan69;780389]This team isn't going to the playoffs next year. We need another 2-3 years of solid drafting. It's a rebuilding job.[/quote]

Maybe but maybe not.. The NFL changes faster than you think.. I agree we do need younger guys in

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I really hope we don't draft any wr's within the first two rounds. NO MORE FREAKIN' WR'S.

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[quote=skinsfan69;780389]This team isn't going to the playoffs next year. We need another 2-3 years of solid drafting. It's a rebuilding job.[/quote]

No doubt. We need at least 2-3 more years of good drafting to compete. We're not winning the SB next year.

Tanking is a tough word, but yes, we need to get younger, and start drafting well. I doubt we'll be a top 5 pick next year though to have a shot at Luck.

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[quote=redsk1;780396]No doubt. We need at least 2-3 more years of good drafting to compete. We're not winning the SB next year.

Tanking is a tough word, but yes, we need to get younger, and start drafting well. I doubt we'll be a top 5 pick next year though to have a shot at Luck.[/quote]

To have a shot at Luck we likely will need to have the top overall choice, not just top-5, which means finishing 1-15, 2-14, or maybe 3-13. I'm not wishing for that.

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[quote=Lotus;780400]To have a shot at Luck we likely will need to have the top overall choice, not just top-5, which means finishing 1-15, 2-14, or maybe 3-13. I'm not wishing for that.[/quote]

What I meant to say was I don't think we'll get into the top 5. Then obviously we'd have no shot at Luck at #1. I just worded that badly.

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We won't get Luck because we'll be better next year. Get my a big tall WR like AJ Green or Julio Jones or if they see a QB, go get him. I don't care, I've been screaming that we need to go find our guy since I turned on Jason.

Go find a guy and let him play. Build the rest of your team while he grows. We can't be afraid to draft early. Drafting later does not make a guy any more guaranteed than one before him. There's a lot of luck in this game as well.

Scared money don't make money. Hey Smoot, any chance we take one of the WR's at 10 ?

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I love Rock Charmichael, but what caught my attention about this article was that he picked Locker in 7 on 7 drills. Don't want to read too much into a simple practice pick, but the fact is a lot of people are watching.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/hokies-journal/2011/01/for_rashad_carmichael_senior_b.html]Hokies Journal - For Rashad Carmichael, Senior Bowl is 'biggest job interview of my life'[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;780338]With the #10 overall pick, I'm looking to take the best player. [B]I'm not going to get suckered into just thinking "well, we need to build our OL so let's just take a lineman here even if he doesn't need to be drafted this high[/B]"[/quote]

Let the choir sing!!!

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[quote=skinsfan69;780377]Everything I'd heard about Locker is...great athlete, will probably blow up at the combine, but simply not a skilled enough pure passer to cut it in the NFL. If he can't consistently shread Pac Ten defenses then I'm not sold that he can be good enough to be a passer in the NFL. Therefore I see no reason to take this guy in the first two rounds.

Let's also realize that this team isn't going to be competing for a Super Bowl for several more years, regardless who's playing QB.[/quote]

To throw in the towel on Locker is a bit premature. True he hasn't looked very good in college especially considering one could easily say he regressed this past season. That being said, he has all the physical talent to play the position and shows the ability to play at a high level, but seems as though he needs more coaching and time to develop. If he were available when we pick in the second round, then I'd be fine with drafting him. It would be a good value pick considering how high people were on him last season.

As for shredding PAC10 defenses, look at the talent level that surrounded him. Not very good so it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that his play would suffer. It reminds me a bit of Archie Manning. He was a damn good qb, he just played for some terrible teams. Can't blame all of the success or failure on one man.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;780317]I guess you think that Grosman will ride us to the Superbowl. Or Maybe Beck? Until we get a QB, we will be medicore at best. The only sure way to get a QB is to keep drafting high till you get one. You dont have a chance untill you have one, so why worry about other pieces untill you have one in place.[/quote]

None of the guys in this years draft have "Franchise QB" written all over them. True, there are a couple guys that are probably first rounders, but none really stand out. Where it gets interesting is in the 2nd round and later where you'll run into guys like Devlin, Ponder, Daulton, and Stanzi etc...
To be honest, the more I see and hear about Devlin, the more I'm interested. I think I'd be much happier with him in rounds two or three vs Daulton or Ponder in either of those spots.

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[quote=Terpfan76;780420]To throw in the towel on Locker is a bit premature. True he hasn't looked very good in college especially considering one could easily say he regressed this past season. That being said, he has all the physical talent to play the position and shows the ability to play at a high level, but seems as though he needs more coaching and time to develop. If he were available when we pick in the second round, then I'd be fine with drafting him. It would be a good value pick considering how high people were on him last season.

As for shredding PAC10 defenses, look at the talent level that surrounded him. Not very good so it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that his play would suffer. It reminds me a bit of Archie Manning. He was a damn good qb, he just played for some terrible teams. Can't blame all of the success or failure on one man.[/quote]

I'm not saying throw in the towel, I'd just pass on him if I were the Redskins cause there are so many other needs.

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[quote=Lotus;780400]To have a shot at Luck we likely will need to have the top overall choice, not just top-5, [B]which means finishing 1-15, 2-14, or maybe 3-13. I'm not wishing for that.[/B][/quote]

Honestly, I am. Cause it's probably the only way we're going to able to be good for a long time. The 2012 draft would be the one I'd be shooting for. Not just with Luck but high draft picks in every round after the 1st and then add free agents to build around Luck.

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I'm curious if the moderators started a new poll, on which position we should draft at #10, what the results would be. Seems to be a ground swell to draft a pass rushing end or OLB. There also seems to be another camp that is hell bent on a QB. Let the current QB post run it's course then let's see this one next.