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I doubt they will release him. But the Shanahans haven't really helped themsleves cause all they've done is hurt DM's value by letting rumors get out about his not being able to pick up their offesnse and so forth. And DM hasn't helped himself with his sloppy play. There was a small market for McNabb before he got here and now it's going to be even smaller.

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[quote=Defensewins;772945]Thank you, I was about to say something similar. Some on this thread are applauding Shanahan for being better GM than Vinny and Snyder, which isn't saying much, I could be a better GM than Snyderatto.

I have the opposite opinion. the handling of McNabb and Haynesworth, in terms of maximizing their trade value is horrendous.
The consistently good teams handle it much better. Look at Philly. Last season and the season before when Micheal Vick did finally get a chance to play, he did not play well. In some cases he played poorly. But did they put him in the dog house or publicly roll the bus over him; and hastily and prematurely decide he he was not good enough and decide to go get rid of him? No. They kept Vick on the bench, continued to coach him up and now he is one of the most dynamic Qb's in the NFL. Their patience was rewarded. The Redskins and Giants games Vick was amazing.
[B]Shanhan makes McNabb and Ah the scape goats rather than helping them improve and become better trade bait.[/B][/quote]

Bingo. Well said.

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McNabb backed his agent.. said he'd like to be back but things would have to change, etc

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/donovan-mcnabb/donovan-mcnabb-supports-his-ag.html]Redskins Insider - Donovan McNabb supports his agent's fiery statement[/url]

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I would hold on to Mcnabb until we receive a draft pick or had to pay his bonus. Who cares if Mcnabb not happy? If he would had played better we would be in the playoffs...nice dirty ball. I like when the media say he is so classy, but what they don't say is he was terrible this year.

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[quote=tryfuhl;773111]McNabb backed his agent.. said he'd like to be back but things would have to change, etc

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/donovan-mcnabb/donovan-mcnabb-supports-his-ag.html"]Redskins Insider - Donovan McNabb supports his agent's fiery statement[/URL][/quote]
McNabb reallly did not back his agents statements. When pressed on sensitive issues, McNabb does not an answer the question. He side-steps and the guys on the interview team talked about that.....habit of his. While he did say he supported his agent, he did not say he agreed with his comments.

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Minny is the best fit for Mcnabb.

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[quote=Mattyk;772875]There's always a market for starting QBs. DM isn't done yet.[/quote]

I don't think he's a top 25 starter in this league, primarily because of his inaccuracy. When you factor in what his financial expectations are, his seeming unwillingness to change/adjust and his propensity for passive aggressive drama, he's going to have very few options. I'd say it would have to be a team with talent everywhere but behind center, with a coach that needs to win now. Who does that leave?

Arizona- Pretty unlikely since Skelton didn't look bad the other night and Whisenhunt has publicly claimed no interest.

Cincinnati- Only makes sense if they let Palmer go and Marvin Lewis stays. I'm guessing TO would need to be out of town as well...

Miami- If Sparano is kept around and doesn't trust his career to Chad Henne, this could make sense. They've got a strong ground game and showed that they are not averse to big money free agents. The owner is also a fame/publicity whore who's having trouble filling seats.

Minnesota- Honestly, they need to get a look at Webb. He could be a diamond in the rough. Failing that, it would depend on the new coach and the offensive system he chooses.

Tennessee- if Young leaves and Fisher stays. Fisher is obviously willing to gamble on past their prime players. (See: Moss, Randy)

The above is, imho, a max list. In actuality, probably only 2 of those teams will have any interest. I think he really hurt himself this year and the past couple with the drama.

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I'm still not sold on the idea DM is out of here.

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[quote=irish;773262]I'm still not sold on the idea DM is out of here.[/quote]

I agree irish. I just have this feeling that he's gonna be here come game 1 next season

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It won't be McNabb guys, this relationship is like AH and MS was.. He will be traded to Min or AZ for a 3rd. Rex will be the starter next season

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not sure if you guys saw this [url=http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?id=5963154]Donovan McNabb, not Washington Redskins, should be setting exit agenda - ESPN[/url]

McNabb "deserves" to play for a Superbowl contender? Ummmm didnt he play for one for 10 years and couldn't get it done??

I am so sick of athletes signing huge contracts and then complaining about the terms of those contracts.

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Yeah, this dude has more apologists than anyone. I don't get it? Why do people rush to his defense like he's the second coming. He's was a slightly above average qb when he was mobile, once that stopped, he has been a below average qb with horrible accuracy. All of those screen plays in Philly with Westbrook taking it for 10-15 yds really helped his completion percentage.

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[quote=Jontrem;773268]not sure if you guys saw this [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?id=5963154"]Donovan McNabb, not Washington Redskins, should be setting exit agenda - ESPN[/URL]

McNabb "deserves" to play for a Superbowl contender? Ummmm didnt he play for one for 10 years and couldn't get it done??

I am so sick of athletes signing huge contracts and then complaining about the terms of those contracts.[/quote]

Donovan wanted the $ more than his playing future, it's that simple. He can't complain because he signed that extension. I'm not 100% sure winning a Super Bowl means that much to him honestly.

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One thing you guys are forgetting is that everyone was saying that we where dumb for benching DM in the first place. That tells me people still think McNabb can play and I see a 3rd for him.

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[quote=newticketholder;773245]Minny is the best fit for Mcnabb.[/quote]

I wouldnt sleep on Seattle and San Fran. Whitehurst has been horrible and Hasslebeck is done. San Fran will be looking for a fresh face.

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[quote=firstdown;773277]One thing you guys are forgetting is that everyone was saying that we where dumb for benching DM in the first place. That tells me people still think McNabb can play and I see a 3rd for him.[/quote]

I'd take a 3rd for him in about .0001 seconds. Also those teams didnt see him in camp andevery practice like Shanny did.

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I say we get a 4th RD pick from Arizona for him ~

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oh and did I mention in AZ he will have #11 HOF Larry Fitzgerald to throw deep bombs to

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;773271]Yeah, this dude has more apologists than anyone. I don't get it? Why do people rush to his defense like he's the second coming. He's was a slightly above average qb when he was mobile, once that stopped, he has been a below average qb with horrible accuracy. All of those screen plays in Philly with Westbrook taking it for 10-15 yds really helped his completion percentage.[/quote]

I used to kind of think the same way, but the last 4-5 yrs in Philly changed my mind w/ DM. He's never been the most accurate guy. He's a big, mobile, shifty QB, who can make big plays for your team if the offense is built around him. Think of the #'s he's put up for many years w/ no weapons aside from Westbrook.

Now you could make the argument that he's on the wrong side of 30 and he's not going to be able to rely on his mobility as he used to, making him an "average" qb. I still think he's got some good years given some playmakers and oline.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;772959]I'm kind of dissappointed in D Mac on this one.

He has been nothing but a classy guy his whole career. Maybe a little insecure at times, but nonetheless a good guy, and a great ambassador for the NFL. He has never been a drama queen, he has never been a hold-out, or a negative locker room presence.

[B]Asking for his release, seems to me, kind of a prima-donna thing to do. It's like saying, "hey, i played bad all season, but if they won't guarantee me a starting job next year, then i'm out of here. Why should I have to earn it or put in any effort? I'm Donovan McNabb".[/B]
I expected him to say something like "I'm dissappointed at how things worked out this year, but I was able to learn a whole lot and i can't wait to work my butt off over the off-season and come in here next year and compete for the starting job". That's what I figured he would say.

Can we really say without a doubt that Donovan is a guaranteed starter SOMEWHERE next year, after his numbers this season? Like someone else said, he is basically a bigger, more athletic Jason Campbell, who is a good guy, but just can't make the offense work.

If anything, Donovan showed this year that while he can still make the occasional big play or 2 during a game, he is an aging QB who is past his prime, and at this stage in his career he can put up mediocre, sometimes solid numbers. He will not lose the game, but when down, he cannot win the game for you. Kind of like JC.

I think Donovan is best served at this point in his career as a primary backup. Kind of like Mark Brunell has done with the Saints, and now Jets. He is a guy who can still play if needed, but his primary job is to be a mentor and good influence to young players.[/quote]

I think most, if not all, would agree that it's unrealistic for McNabb to expect to be granted his request for a release, but I think it's perfectly reasonable for him to ask for it. This is a business, and he's a veteran player facing the tail end of his career, so why wouldn't he attempt to gain the maximum control over where he ends it? The Redskins have made it relatively clear that they would prefer to be without him but have made a financial commitment to him, so while his release wouldn't be the most ideal scenario for the Redskins, it's not as if there would be no benefit to the team at all. Frankly, it would be dumb for McNabb not to ask for his release.

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[quote=firstdown;773277]One thing you guys are forgetting is that everyone was saying that we where dumb for benching DM in the first place. That tells me people still think McNabb can play and I see a 3rd for him.[/quote]

Yeah, but how much of that was the usual bandwagon jumping? His success rate was spotty at best.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;773255]I don't think he's a top 25 starter in this league, primarily because of his inaccuracy. When you factor in what his financial expectations are, his seeming unwillingness to change/adjust and his propensity for passive aggressive drama, he's going to have very few options. I'd say it would have to be a team with talent everywhere but behind center, with a coach that needs to win now. Who does that leave?

Arizona- Pretty unlikely since Skelton didn't look bad the other night and Whisenhunt has publicly claimed no interest.

Cincinnati- Only makes sense if they let Palmer go and Marvin Lewis stays. I'm guessing TO would need to be out of town as well...

[B]Miami- If Sparano is kept around and doesn't trust his career to Chad Henne, this could make sense. They've got a strong ground game and showed that they are not averse to big money free agents. The owner is also a fame/publicity whore who's having trouble filling seats.[/B]

Minnesota- Honestly, they need to get a look at Webb. He could be a diamond in the rough. Failing that, it would depend on the new coach and the offensive system he chooses.

[B]Tennessee- if Young leaves and Fisher stays. Fisher is obviously willing to gamble on past their prime players. (See: Moss, Randy)[/B]

The above is, imho, a max list. In actuality, probably only 2 of those teams will have any interest. I think he really hurt himself this year and the past couple with the drama.[/quote]
More and more I see these as possibilities. I don't think Minnesota will make that move now, not with Childress gone and Webb-mania running wild. I don't see AZ happening either since there has been as much smoke coming from there saying 'no'.

Miami is really intriguing because there's a lot going on there. They have some talent at WR, a good OL and somewhat of a running game (but I think both are FA this year). Ross wants a big name as a coach but I don't see Cowher or Gruden coming. Fisher, maybe but Childress could emerge here as well. If Fisher is fired and Chilly doesn't go to Miami, he could land in Tennessee. That's the McNabb link. Together, they could make the Dolphins a contender in the AFC East. The biggest mistake we did with McNabb was trying to change who he was. If we accepted that he was a 6 rather than a 10 and worked with that then our offense may have performed better. I blame Shanny(s) for being a bit stubborn because as many observers noted, this is who McNabb is.. He will hit the big plays, be inaccurate at times, make some plays with his feet and be comfortable doing what he likes to do.

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There will be a new coach who wants a veteran at QB to lean on Dmac will be dealt and we will get some of what we gave up to get him.

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[quote=firstdown;773277]One thing you guys are forgetting is that everyone was saying that we where dumb for benching DM in the first place. That tells me people still think McNabb can play and I see a 3rd for him.[/quote]


Which time? The Detroit game, definitely a dumb move. The second benching, nope. I agree wholeheartedly that the best for the Redskins at the point of the team being eliminated from the playoffs was sitting McNabb and seeing what we have with Grossman. So far, it's been a pretty decent move.

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[quote=skinsguy;773308]Which time? The Detroit game, definitely a dumb move. The second benching, nope. I agree wholeheartedly that the best for the Redskins at the point of the team being eliminated from the playoffs was sitting McNabb and seeing what we have with Grossman. So far, it's been a pretty decent move.[/quote]

I think the benching of McNabb was a decent move, however there is something even bigger that bugs me about this benching. It basically says, we (the FO) screwed up, and gave up a 2nd and a 4th to have McNabb play for 13 games. I just feel that as a rebuilding team, we could have used that 2nd rounder this past year on something else (i.e. getting Terence Cody to be our NT or a Guard/Center of the future) instead of gambling on a QB that's a bit past his prime.

Seeing Grossman behind center makes me think we could have address other areas of need while playing a mediocre QB; and set things up for that QB of the future in the 2011 draft.

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In terms of "surprise value":

Take the title of this thread and put it in the same category of "surprises" as:
[INDENT]Tuesday came after Monday this week

Brown bears do indeed go poo in the woods

Glenn Beck had something bad to say about Barack Obama

Keith Olbermann had something bad to say about Glenn Beck.

At the end of the day - - - it is night![/INDENT]

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Here's one thing I can attest to. After listening to my local sports show's (SF Bay Area) the DM5 chatter is starting to pick up. I can't count how many callers, and hosts have suggested that they bring in DM5 and draft Kellan Moore in the second round.

Now I doubt the ownership is going to make a move based on what the fans want, however it's interesting to hear the buzz. I think SF is the best fit for him. I really hope he goes there.

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[quote=newticketholder;773245]Minny is the best fit for Mcnabb.[/quote]

but is McNabb the best fit for Minny? I think that they'll be looking past the let's get a QB that can win us a SB mode this year.. Tavaris has shown flashes of being starter material and Joe Webb last night did a couple of things to make you say hmm

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[quote=Shadowbyte;773395]Here's one thing I can attest to. After listening to my local sports show's (SF Bay Area) the DM5 chatter is starting to pick up. I can't count how many callers, and hosts have suggested that they bring in DM5 and draft Kellan Moore in the second round.

Now I doubt the ownership is going to make a move based on what the fans want, however it's interesting to hear the buzz. I think SF is the best fit for him. I really hope he goes there.[/quote]

Maybe the swirling wind will make his worm burners arrive around the knees

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[quote=Shadowbyte;773395]Here's one thing I can attest to. After listening to my local sports show's (SF Bay Area) the DM5 chatter is starting to pick up. I can't count how many callers, and hosts have suggested that they bring in DM5 and draft Kellan Moore in the second round.

Now I doubt the ownership is going to make a move based on what the fans want, however it's interesting to hear the buzz. I think SF is the best fit for him. I really hope he goes there.[/quote]

I'll be glad if the 9ers grab him. He won't win a Super Bowl, ever. 10 years from now, everyone will be raving about Josh Freeman and McNabb will be the famous afterthought who couldn't get it done.

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DM said in yesterday's Examiner that he didnt and isnt going to ask to be released.

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[quote=irish;773416]DM said in yesterday's Examiner that he didnt and isnt going to ask to be released.[/quote]

DM says whatever makes him look best at the moment. He has his agent say everything publicly in order to protect his image. I can't stand that passive aggressive bs. He did it in Philly, and he's doing it here.

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DM has been playing both sides so I really wouldn't take much stock in anything he says right now. He might say "I" won't ask for a release, but that doesn't mean his agent won't.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;773439]DM says whatever makes him look best at the moment. He has his agent say everything publicly in order to protect his image. I can't stand that passive aggressive bs. He did it in Philly, and he's doing it here.[/quote]


I agree it is getting old and now looking back at the TO thing maybe DM was not such the innocent little victim that he played in that fight.

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[quote=mredskins;773445]I agree it is getting old and now looking back at the TO thing maybe DM was not such the innocent little victim that he played in that fight.[/quote]

TO almost won that SB for the Eagles on a broken ankle but unfortunately DM couldnt keep up when the game was on the line and they need to move fast. TO is often his own worst enemy but in that case I always though he got a bum rap.

IMO the end of that SB shows a lot of what the Shanny's were saying about DM is true. When he has to move the O at a fast pace and think fast on his feet he really struggles.

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McNabb's future i guess i really cloudy. He is obviously not staying here, but next year is really interesting.

He could be the starter for one season on a team that has a young draft pick QB in waiting, similar to what they tried to do (and failed) with Jake Delhomme.

He is obviously not a franchise QB this late in the game, and the chances of him starting for more than 1 season is remote. But he could have a nice second career as a backup/mentor, like Mark Brunell did after leaving here...

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[quote=irish;773455]TO almost won that SB for the Eagles on a broken ankle but unfortunately DM couldnt keep up when the game was on the line and they need to move fast. TO is often his own worst enemy but in that case I always though he got a bum rap.

IMO the end of that SB shows a lot of what the Shanny's were saying about DM is true. When he has to move the O at a fast pace and think fast on his feet he really struggles.[/quote]

Perhaps he is just not in condition to run the two minute offense?
We should make him take the Secretary..........ehhr Haynesworth test?