Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

I think Vick. He has done more in less games than Brady

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

[quote=VTSkins;771812]I think Vick. He has done more in less games than Brady[/quote]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahah!

Tom Brady has thirty one touchdown passes and four int's.

Should I repeat that?

Maybe we should look at the Patriots record? Or the fact that they traded a HOF wide receiver and yet they still bitch slap the league with a wr corps that doesn't compare to Philadelphia?

Or maybe the fact that you just might have have an allegiance to VT?

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

Tom Brady, guy has no running help whatsoever and is still tearing up the league. Vick has a lot more talent around him.

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

Well Suggs and Brady have been beefing all year about Brady's hairdo, who get's laid more, etc. I think Brady said something to the effect, during the game, that he (Suggs) wishes that he was getting laid by a supermodel. Sour grapes, that's all.

That said, Vick is MVP this year. He's done it in such a variety of ways this year. And I gotta tell you, the way he bounced back from that rib injury proved his toughness beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

To me the MVP should be the player who takes his team to the SB and wins it.

My primary candidates in the running are:

Tom Brady
Matt Ryan
Phillip Rivers
Mike Vick

My darkhorse candidates:

Aaron Rogers
Drew Brees
Ben Rothlisberger
Hakeem Nicks
Jay Cutler
MJD

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

[quote=rbanerjee23;771815]Tom Brady, guy has no running help whatsoever and is still tearing up the league. Vick has a lot more talent around him.[/quote]

Their running game has actually come on pretty strong over the second half of the season. As of now they're 15th in rushing. Their lead running back has 824 with a 4.3 average. Danny Woodhead has 435 yards with a 5.3 average. I think a big part of New Englands offensive revival has been the running game which probably got more attention after Moss left. Not to mention the return of Logan Mankins.

In my opinion the New England offense has been much more creative since Moss left as now they don't have to worry about making sure that Randy get's his touches for fear of self interviews during post game press conferences. On top of that the lack of a true number 1 forces more people to get involved which in cases where the players are capable creates a less predictable offense.

Anyway Brady has obviously been very good this year but I still maintain that game for game Vick is clearly the best.

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;771826] Not to mention the return of Logan Mankins.
[/quote]

That's the one player we should target in FA. Great player.

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;771823]To me the MVP should be the player who takes his team to the SB and wins it.

My primary candidates in the running are:

Tom Brady
Matt Ryan
Phillip Rivers
Mike Vick

My darkhorse candidates:

Aaron Rogers
Drew Brees
Ben Rothlisberger
Hakeem Nicks
Jay Cutler
MJD[/quote]


Ok, you've heard it here folks, Trent Dilfer was robbed in the 2000 MVP voting. :cheeky-sm

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;771828]That's the one player we should target in FA. Great player.[/quote]

The old me would say "go after him, this is the best free agent guard since Hutchinson." However the new me is tired of going after countless overpaid free agents. The only real big free agent splash that I would like to go after is a nose tackle (assuming ones even available) simply because a good nose tackle will last even on the wrong side of 30.

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;771832]The old me would say "go after him, this is the best free agent guard since Hutchinson." However the new me is tired of going after countless overpaid free agents. The only real big free agent splash that I would like to go after is a nose tackle (assuming ones even available) simply because a good nose tackle will last even on the wrong side of 30.[/quote]

Yea I'm tired of winning the FA race every year.. It's time to build a REAL team of young guys that are Hungry.. We still need to get a couple FA's but not for crazy $

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

[quote=Shadowbyte;771829]Ok, you've heard it here folks, Trent Dilfer was robbed in the 2000 MVP voting. :cheeky-sm[/quote]

Sorry that year would have been Ray Lewis, his team mate. Defensive leader of that team had a great year.

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;771842]Sorry that year would have been Ray Lewis, his team mate. Defensive leader of that team had a great year.[/quote]

Dilfer was The worst QB to ever win a SB IMO... When he talks about QB's in the NFL on ESPN I just SMH..

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;771832]The old me would say "go after him, this is the best free agent guard since Hutchinson." However the new me is tired of going after countless overpaid free agents. The only real big free agent splash that I would like to go after is a nose tackle (assuming ones even available) simply because a good nose tackle will last even on the wrong side of 30.[/quote]

See chart I just posted on the NT subject in another thread.

[URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/771849-post30.html"]FA Nose Tackles[/URL]

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

Vick what he is doing for the Eagles is amazing hands down.

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

i hope vick/brady tie. Both of them are havng too good seasons to not win the mvp.

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Hmm, does the word cheat come into your mind. The Patriots will always be remembered for that. In my opinion Brady would not be half the qb is is today without that extra knowledge he gained. Eagles would be nothing without Vick. Brady has had a great year but Vick should be the the MVP in my opinion.

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

The Eagles would still be a playoff contending team with Kolb in the lineup. Can't say the same for the Pats without Brady.

31 TDs vs 4 INTs is just off the charts sick

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

[quote=VTSkins;771874]Hmm, does the word cheat come into your mind. The Patriots will always be remembered for that. In my opinion Brady would not be half the qb is is today without that extra knowledge he gained. Eagles would be nothing without Vick. Brady has had a great year but Vick should be the the MVP in my opinion.[/quote]

Do the words Dog Fighting come to mind for anyone? Cant dredge up anyones past for anything if you are making an argument for Mike Vick.

Also Spy-Gate was overblown notice how few players and team came out and slammed them for it? How exactly did taping a few practices make Tom Brady the Qb he is today? He can watch all the film he wants, just like every other QB in the league, you can't convince me that watching practice film gives you a better edge over watching game film. The issue with Spy Gate was the week to week possible advantage, so unless you are claiming that Brady and Co. have been filming the other teams practice every week then I don't think makes any difference.

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

Watching some practice walk throughs a few years makes Brady a better QB today... really? lol

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

I know we hate the Eagles, but Michael Vick is the NFL MVP. Brady is great but Vick is electric.

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

[quote=Mattyk;771896]The Eagles would still be a playoff contending team with Kolb in the lineup. Can't say the same for the Pats without Brady.

31 TDs vs 4 INTs is just off the charts sick[/quote]

Really? I think the Eagles would not be tops in the east and with the NFC South so strong and Chicago Bears coming alive, I think they would be outside looking in...Brady second half of the season has been unbelievable. Its a toss up, but I lean towards Vick. Its hard for me to avoid what he has been through, its flat out unbelievable. EVERYONE thought Vick was done and diminished his past preformances as QB...apparently leading the first visiting team to win in Lambaugh field in the playoffs not a big deal. His career W/L record at QB for the Falcons is not bad. He changed the QB position, in college football there is a direct link from Vick to Tebow and Newton, the running QB as a weapon. He was the most hated guy in the sports world and noone wanted him to succeed and now he's carrying a team now in such an impressive fashion.

So I cant ignore what he has been through and to see such growth makes him the MVP IMO.

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

Are you saying that Vick created the running threat as a QB? It goes back much farther than that, just three obvious names are Major Harris, Tony Rice and Kordell Stewart.

To be clear I am not a Mike Vick hatter. What he did was deplorable but he paid his price for it and acted like a man. One of my best friends growing up was his main receiver in college too, so I have some measure of love for him because of that. I am basing this based on the seasons that the two have had.

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

[quote=Jontrem;771903]Are you saying that Vick created the running threat as a QB? It goes back much farther than that, just three obvious names are Major Harris, Tony Rice and Kordell Stewart.[/quote]

I didnt say create, I said changed. He was/is much better, faster, and more of a playmaker than those 3 combined IMO. Major Harris was a beast though

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

[quote=Chico23231;771905] Major Harris was a beast though[/quote]

Yes he was! Most of my family was/are huge Notre Dame fans and the ones who aren't are Rutgers fans, I was at the game in I think 89 where Harris had maybe his best game. I think he rushed for around 200 yards. I remember my father telling me I would never see another athlete like him (I was 10 at the time) oh how wrong my dad was!

Thanks for the clarification!

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

Brady is the MVP this year. He has a cast of no names for the most part and they continue to roll over competition.

Rivers would be my second choice.

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

[quote=Chico23231;771902]Really? I think the Eagles would not be tops in the east and with the NFC South so strong and Chicago Bears coming alive, I think they would be outside looking in...Brady second half of the season has been unbelievable. Its a toss up, but I lean towards Vick. Its hard for me to avoid what he has been through, its flat out unbelievable. EVERYONE thought Vick was done and diminished his past preformances as QB...apparently leading the first visiting team to win in Lambaugh field in the playoffs not a big deal. His career W/L record at QB for the Falcons is not bad. He changed the QB position, in college football there is a direct link from Vick to Tebow and Newton, the running QB as a weapon. He was the most hated guy in the sports world and noone wanted him to succeed and now he's carrying a team now in such an impressive fashion.

So I cant ignore what he has been through and to see such growth makes him the MVP IMO.[/quote]

Not saying the Eagles would still be leading the division with Kolb, but I do think they would be in the playoff hunt.

Take away Brady and they're lucky to be .500

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

[quote=Mattyk;771910]Not saying the Eagles would still be leading the division with Kolb, but I do think they would be in the playoff hunt.

Take away Brady and they're lucky to be .500[/quote]

I dont know, they gotta another Matt Cassel in the depth charts we dont know about? That dude stepped it up pretty big for the Pats a couple years ago. When talking about the MVPs of Brady and Vick, look at those organizations and how they are run. Both are proven winners in the FO. Great talent evaluators, super smart with contracts, know when to let vets walk, coaching is top notch, they will take chances on guys (Moss, TO, Vick) etc. AND they continue to win...So Vick or Brady MVPs? Or are those organization run so effecient they put players in the best situation to succeed at particular points in time? I think you take away Brady and Vick, they may both be in the playoff hunt

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

I think the above is a valid point. Only it should be remembered that Cassel is showing that what he did in New England wasn't all just the system or the talent around him. The guy can play some good football.

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

At this point, I'm going with Brady but Peyton Manning deserves some props... perhaps an honorable mention. The guy is keeping his team in contention with a MASH unit for an offense. He loses wrs on a weekly basis and has no running game, yet he still manages to get the job done. This team won't play for the Super Bowl, hell, they may not make the Playoffs, but the Colts are one team that would be as bad if not worse than the Panthers if Manning went down. In my mind, that makes him the MVP.

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

[quote=Terpfan76;771932]At this point, I'm going with Brady but Peyton Manning deserves some props... perhaps an honorable mention. The guy is keeping his team in contention with a MASH unit for an offense. He loses wrs on a weekly basis and has no running game, yet he still manages to get the job done. This team won't play for the Super Bowl, hell, they may not make the Playoffs, but the Colts are one team that would be as bad if not worse than the Panthers if Manning went down. In my mind, that makes him the MVP.[/quote]

Thats something that needs to be defined better, what are the criteria for an MVP?

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

Manning had a pretty rough stretch there where he threw a lot of picks. Yeah he's a one man gang right now and doing everything he can, and they would be garbage without him, but I just think there are guys that have clearly had better seasons.

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

[quote=Jontrem;771945]Thats something that needs to be defined better, what are the criteria for an MVP?[/quote]

Well, the award is the Most Valuable Player. Where are the Colts without Peyton Manning? Probably sitting on the #1 pick in the draft. While it's true Brady and Vick have had much better seasons, and that 3 week or so stretch where Manning was handing out souvenirs and pick sixes at an epic rate was hard to watch, Manning did what he had to to help his stay above water. While we can all agree that he will not win the MVP, there's really no debate there, I really don't see how there's much argument in that he's truly the most valuable offensive player in the NFL.
Now we could certainly make a strong argument for Troy Polamalu being the most valuable player in the NFL bar none, but I hate the Steelers way to much to make it.

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

[quote=Terpfan76;771952]Well, the award is the Most Valuable Player. Where are the Colts without Peyton Manning? Probably sitting on the #1 pick in the draft. While it's true Brady and Vick have had much better seasons, and that 3 week or so stretch where Manning was handing out souvenirs and pick sixes at an epic rate was hard to watch, Manning did what he had to to help his stay above water. While we can all agree that he will not win the MVP, there's really no debate there, I really don't see how there's much argument in that he's truly the most valuable offensive player in the NFL.
Now we could certainly make a strong argument for Troy Polamalu being the most valuable player in the NFL bar none, but I hate the Steelers way to much to make it.[/quote]

Ok so for MVP we are to take the valuable in the most literal sense of the word? How valuable that specific player is? My concern with that is that you then have to take alot more into consideration. Things like who his back up is, what type of defense the team has (or offense if a defensive player ever wins again) what the offensive line is like, there are just too many things to take into consideration. I think it should go to the player who played at the highest level that year, and how many wins they would have lost without that player should be taken out of the equation.

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

Honestly, its probaboly Rivers... but since his team probably wont make the playoffs, ya gotta go with Vick. I mean as good as Brady is, the Pats are going to the playoffs regardless; thats where Brady earns his keep. I think you take Rivers or Vick off their teams, you see the biggest drop off, and thats how I like to figure out who the MVP is.

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

[/QUOTE]To be clear I am not a Mike Vick hatter. What he did was deplorable but he paid his price for it and acted like a man. One of my best friends growing up was his main receiver in college too, so I have some measure of love for him because of that. I am basing this based on the seasons that the two have had.[/QUOTE]


Was you your best friend Andre Davis? I grew up watching Vick in Blacksburg and since Vick was only there those 2 years I was seeing who your friend was and if he got to play in the National Championship with Vick

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

[quote=Gmanc711;772302]Honestly, its probaboly Rivers... but since his team probably wont make the playoffs, ya gotta go with Vick. I mean as good as Brady is, the Pats are going to the playoffs regardless; thats where Brady earns his keep. I think you take Rivers or Vick off their teams, you see the biggest drop off, and thats how I like to figure out who the MVP is.[/quote]I'm not sure if the Pats are that good without Brady unless their backup QB is another Cassel or actually better than Cassel since R. Moss is no longer there. That said, I'm leaning just a bit towards Vick myself.

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

[quote=tdSKINS1;772307][/quote].[/QUOTE]


Was you your best friend Andre Davis? I grew up watching Vick in Blacksburg and since Vick was only there those 2 years I was seeing who your friend was and if he got to play in the National Championship with Vick[/QUOTE]


Yes it was, I lived next door to him since I was 4 and played in highschool my other neighbor and I convinced him to play football instead of soccer his Junior year. Andre is by far and away the best overall person I have EVER met. Very forgiving very friendly and family orientated and would never hurt anyone.

Do you remember in the build up to the national championship game Peter Warrick said Andre who? when someone asked him about him. I always disliked Warrick for that and found it funny that Andre had a much longer career than Warrick.

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

id say vick. i dont like him and he plays for the eagles, but imo the eagles would be a sub .500 team without him.

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

Brady now at 34 TDs and 4 INTs. Amazing.

Re: Your 2010 NFL MVP is?
 

Why cant it be Co-MVP's? Brady/Vick both are worthy but Brady seems to have the edge but fans like Vick more and I think he did more in less time where Brady has played every snap.