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[quote=cpayne5;652013]IMO, people are blowing all of this way out of proportion. So what if he had a gun. Big deal. I thought his gun dance the other night was pretty funny, too.[/quote]

There's some sort of NBA clause I believe. Plus there's a gun ban in DC. The guns aren't the big deal, the fact these guys thought it was okay to point guns at each other in the locker room (regardless of it being a joke or not) is the problem. If these guys wanna jeopardize their careers and their lives, over a gambling debt, fine. They have the freedom to do that.

But they could've handled that away from the locker room.

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if you didn't read this today in the post yet do yourself a favor, it might be one of wise's best i have read. sportscenter called him to get him on becuase of the article. all in all it really is a shame what has happened, really is.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/05/AR2010010504341.html?sid=ST2010010600149]washingtonpost.com[/url]

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You know you messed up when you've got Al Sharpton against you. Shit, he even supported Vick.

Kiss your career goodbye, Arenas.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;652019]There's some sort of NBA clause I believe. [B]Plus there's a gun ban in DC.[/B] The guns aren't the big deal, the fact these guys thought it was okay to point guns at each other in the locker room (regardless of it being a joke or not) is the problem. If these guys wanna jeopardize their careers and their lives, over a gambling debt, fine. They have the freedom to do that.

But they could've handled that away from the locker room.[/quote]

Kind of. The Supreme Court ruled on that last year, I believe. You can legally hold a handgun in the District if approved by the city. Most people don't get approved. I don't know how the city handles citizens of other states who pass through. Probably in draconian fashion.

The NBA does have a rule about guns in arenas (you can't), but my goodness the outrage this has brought. It just doesn't seem like the actions of Mr. Arenas warrants him losing his career over. You'd think he intentionally ran over a baby with his car, the way people are reacting.

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[quote=mlmdub130;652052]if you didn't read this today in the post yet do yourself a favor, it might be one of wise's best i have read. sportscenter called him to get him on becuase of the article. all in all it really is a shame what has happened, really is.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/05/AR2010010504341.html?sid=ST2010010600149]washingtonpost.com[/url][/quote]

Phenomenal article, thanks for the link.

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[quote=cpayne5;652072]Kind of. The Supreme Court ruled on that last year, I believe. You can legally hold a handgun in the District if approved by the city. Most people don't get approved. I don't know how the city handles citizens of other states who pass through. Probably in draconian fashion.

The NBA does have a rule about guns in arenas (you can't), but my goodness the outrage this has brought. It just doesn't seem like the actions of Mr. Arenas warrants him losing his career over. You'd think he intentionally ran over a baby with his car, the way people are reacting.[/quote]

I do agree, I think it's turning into a bit of a sideshow. But he deserves at least a lengthy suspension and a huge fine. Even though I said his career is over, I doubt it. But he definitely won't be playing in DC anymore. This is basically Vick 2.0. Everyone will hate him for awhile, a few months later most people won't care about it.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;652077]I do agree, I think it's turning into a bit of a sideshow. But he deserves at least a lengthy suspension and a huge fine. Even though I said his career is over, I doubt it. But he definitely won't be playing in DC anymore. [B]This is basically Vick 2.0[/B]. Everyone will hate him for awhile, a few months later most people won't care about it.[/quote]

I agree that it's becoming that, but I don't think this incident warrants the comparison. Two very different degrees of offenses involved. One virtually none; the other bordering on evil, depending on the truthfulness of various witness accounts.

IMO, a 5 game suspension would be sufficient in this case.

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[quote=cpayne5;652104]I agree that it's becoming that, but I don't think this incident warrants the comparison. Two very different degrees of offenses involved. One virtually none; the other bordering on evil, depending on the truthfulness of various witness accounts.

IMO, a 5 game suspension would be sufficient in this case.[/quote]

What about the other player that actually loaded and cocked the gun?

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[quote=DynamiteRave;652107]What about the other player that actually loaded and cocked the gun?[/quote]

A poorly conceived joke with no malicious intent is what I perceive, if it in fact happened as has been reported. 5 games would probably suffice in that case as well.

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Two years ago when I read that Arenas played video games at half time while the coach went over strategy with the other players was when I made up my mind that the Wizards would be better off without him...then for some strange reason Grunfeld signs him to that monstrous contract, which was ridiculous because all the other teams knew his reputation. We coulda signed a couple of really good players for $111 Mil. Why does everybody go braindead when they start working for the Wizards?

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[quote=JLee9718;652624]Two years ago when I read that Arenas played video games at half time while the coach went over strategy with the other players was when I made up my mind that the Wizards would be better off without him...then for some strange reason Grunfeld signs him to that monstrous contract, which was ridiculous because all the other teams knew his reputation. We coulda signed a couple of really good players for $111 Mil. Why does everybody go braindead when they start working for the Wizards?[/quote]

I think that was really Abe Pollin driving that. That and Jamison's contract. When Pollin passed away, all the tributes were about what a loyal guy he was and how he would pay whatever necessary to show loyalty to guys even when they didn't deserve it. Even Unseld said he shouldn't have been GM for all those years, but Pollin was showing loyalty to him. But as much as loyalty I think it was also old age and the desire to see a winner before he passed away. We saw something similar with the Chiefs and Lamar Hunt.

But anyway, whoever it was. I agree that Gill got an absurd contract. And with NBA contracts being guaranteed it's even more damaging. Amazing that just two years ago the debate was who was the more popular athlete in DC-CP or Gil? And now they can't get out fast enough

And then I saw this. Say what?!

Former Wizards coach Eddie Jordan and his staff privately intimated they felt undermined by Grunfeld when it came to matters of discipline with Arenas. Arenas, a notorious practical joker, often crossed the line of acceptable decorum. [B]The example often cited was how Arenas once defecated in teammate Andray Blatche's shoe during Blatche's rookie season.[/B] His behavior often went unchecked and unpunished, said a former team employee on condition of anonymity.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/09/AR2010010902200.html?sid=ST2010011000138]For Gilbert Arenas and Wizards franchise, latest incident sheds light on entitlement - washingtonpost.com[/url]

Leonsis can't take over this team soon enough

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[quote=SmootSmack;653435]And then I saw this. Say what?!

Former Wizards coach Eddie Jordan and his staff privately intimated they felt undermined by Grunfeld when it came to matters of discipline with Arenas. Arenas, a notorious practical joker, often crossed the line of acceptable decorum. [B]The example often cited was how Arenas once defecated in teammate Andray Blatche's shoe during Blatche's rookie season.[/B] His behavior often went unchecked and unpunished, said a former team employee on condition of anonymity.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/09/AR2010010902200.html?sid=ST2010011000138]For Gilbert Arenas and Wizards franchise, latest incident sheds light on entitlement - washingtonpost.com[/url]

Leonsis can't take over this team soon enough[/quote]The poo story is pretty bad. I don't know if you saw this last week but after reading it I seriously think Gil is a sociopath.

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Wow...the NBA version of Najeh Davenport.

He used to be my favorite NBA player (even earlier this season) but I'm learning so much about him that knocks the respect down even further with every story.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;653446]The poo story is pretty bad. I don't know if you saw this last week but after reading it I seriously think Gil is a sociopath.[/quote]I guess the link would have helped my post make a little more sense: [url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/01/a_history_of_gilberts_practica.html]D.C. Sports Bog - A history of Gilbert's practical jokes[/url]

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;653642]I guess the link would have helped my post make a little more sense: [url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/01/a_history_of_gilberts_practica.html]D.C. Sports Bog - A history of Gilbert's practical jokes[/url][/quote]

Ironic how one of them goes to a TIME magazine story called "How Agent Zero Saved D.C"

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I hadn't read the story about Blatche's shoe, and I think that's disgusting. Arenas should have been disciplined then. But what coach would put up with a player playing video games at halftime? None that I know of, except the Wizards let Arenas get away with it. Also, I heard Mike Wise talking about his article on arenas on his morning sports show, but have just read it. I'd love to see the Wizards get out of Arenas's contract so they could sign somebody who is grown up. The Wizards will never win with a clown who has a warped personality as their leader.

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[quote=cpayne5;652150]A poorly conceived joke with no malicious intent is what I perceive, if it in fact happened as has been reported. 5 games would probably suffice in that case as well.[/quote]

with guns and drinking & driving, the courts have taken a zero tolerance, strict liability approach.

i agree that what arenas did doesnt deserve a lifetime ban or anything over 20 or so game suspension but 5 games is too light. you can have mitigating factors is every case, but when guns are involved there has to be a set minimum and 5 games is too low for such a class of offense.

its a shame that arenas thinks he's being funny, tries to damn hard to be liked . .your not a class clown and your not 12.

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[quote=cpayne5;652150]A poorly conceived joke with no malicious intent is what I perceive, if it in fact happened as has been reported. 5 games would probably suffice in that case as well.[/quote]

That may be the case, but his joke was also a felony. I feel ZERO remorse for Agent Zero. Don't let the doorknob hit ya...

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[quote=GMScud;654312]That may be the case, but his joke was also a felony. I feel ZERO remorse for Agent Zero. Don't let the doorknob hit ya...[/quote]

Unlikely that he'll be charged with a felony given that, as far as we know, he hasn't tried to hide anything from the police and has been cooperative. There are a lot of "felonies" committed where the prosecutors never even mention the word when prosecuting them.

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[url=http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=25&sid=1862757]Sources: Arenas owned several hundred guns - wtop.com[/url]


He's finished.

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[quote=Buster;654713][url=http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=25&sid=1862757]Sources: Arenas owned several hundred guns - wtop.com[/url]


He's finished.[/quote]

Not quite sure why you say that, if you are going off the article. It says all the guns were legally owned, and that he is cooperating with the police. If he was stalling, stashing, or denying, then yeah, but right now it seems like it will be plead down.

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[quote=Buster;654713][URL="http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=25&sid=1862757"]Sources: Arenas owned several hundred guns - wtop.com[/URL]


He's finished.[/quote]

It's weird that he owned so many. Why? I still just don't understand athletes' fascination with guns.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;654723]Not quite sure why you say that, if you are going off the article. It says all the guns were legally owned, and that he is cooperating with the police. If he was stalling, stashing, or denying, then yeah, but right now it seems like it will be plead down.[/quote]

I have no problem with him owning as many as he likes, LEGALLY. I heard it reported on the radio that his 4 guns in the locker were NOT registered properly. Was that true?

This whole new twist to the story seems very suspicious and just strange, but then again, Gilbert IS a strange person.

I honestly hope he's telling the truth and was thinking about the protection of his children in the home, but his actions and behaviors since have been less than admirable.

Also, even a responsible gun owner has no need for some of the weapons he had:

[quote]The guns turned over to police include a so-called 'Dirty Harry Revolver' and a gold-plated Desert Eagle -- which is so big and has such a powerful recoil -- no law enforcement agency uses them. [/quote]

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Arenas charged with felony gun possession

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/14/AR2010011403502.html?hpid=topnews]Washington Wizards guard Gilbert Arenas is charged with felony gun possession - washingtonpost.com[/url]

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[quote=Redskins_P;654869]Arenas charged with felony gun possession

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/14/AR2010011403502.html?hpid=topnews"]Washington Wizards guard Gilbert Arenas is charged with felony gun possession - washingtonpost.com[/URL][/quote]

Heard he was gonna plea out so he wouldn't have to serve any jail time.

It must be nice to have ridiculous amounts of money.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;654871]Heard he was gonna plea out so he wouldn't have to serve any jail time.

It must be nice to have ridiculous amounts of money.[/quote]

He was trying to plea down to a misdemeanor charge. Doesn't seem like that happened

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[quote=cpayne5;654326]Unlikely that he'll be charged with a felony given that, as far as we know, he hasn't tried to hide anything from the police and has been cooperative. There are a lot of "felonies" committed where the prosecutors never even mention the word when prosecuting them.[/quote]

You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

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[quote=SmootSmack;654873]He was trying to plea down to a misdemeanor charge. Doesn't seem like that happened[/quote]

If convicted, which looks like its going to happen, the Wizards will void his deal. Think they were going to try regardless but now it should be fairly easy.

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[quote=Buster;654817]I have no problem with him owning as many as he likes, LEGALLY. I heard it reported on the radio that his 4 guns in the locker were NOT registered properly. Was that true?

This whole new twist to the story seems very suspicious and just strange, but then again, Gilbert IS a strange person.

I honestly hope he's telling the truth and was thinking about the protection of his children in the home, but his actions and behaviors since have been less than admirable.

Also, even a responsible gun owner has no need for some of the weapons he had:[/quote]

If they weren't registered, as it appears now, then yup he is in trouble, I just didn't get that from the one story. As for the Desert Eagle, when I was an MP one of the guys in my platoon was a big gun nut and he was thrilled when he got one (not gold plated). It's still legal even if not practical for police work.

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[quote=cpayne5;654932]You obviously don't know what you're talking about.[/quote]

LOL. You beat me to it.

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Some more info

[url=http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/Arenas-to-plead-guilty-to-felony-gun-charge_-source-says-8764065-81561862.html]Arenas to plead guilty to felony gun charge, source says | Washington Examiner[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;654940]If they weren't registered, as it appears now, then yup he is in trouble, I just didn't get that from the one story. As for the Desert Eagle, when I was an MP one of the guys in my platoon was a big gun nut and he was thrilled when he got one (not gold plated). It's still legal even if not practical for police work.[/quote]

Desert Eagle is overrated. It's all about the Kimber M1911. :)

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;653446]The poo story is pretty bad. I don't know if you saw this last week but after reading it I seriously think Gil is a sociopath.[/quote]

A buddy of mine hangs with Gil from time to time and he pretty much sums up his behavior as weird and bizarre. Seems Gil just does things for effect, but he goes overboard.

Anyway, I think his career as a Wizard is over. He'll play again in the NBA again though. I don't who's the bigger head case, Gil or Stephon Marburry.

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[quote=GMScud;654741]It's weird that he owned so many. Why? I still just don't understand athletes' fascination with guns.[/quote]

I think part of is cultural and some of it is imaturity, frankly. It seems like the athletes that get in the most trouble with guns play in big cities like NYC, D.C., Chicaco (Tank Johnson), Miami.

So I think part of it -- a big part of it in my opinion-- is the meshing of the hip-hop culture and it's influence on professional sports, particularly among black athletes. Rappers want to be athletes and athletes want to be rappers and thugs. You have JayZ, for instance, rapping about LeBron James and Dwayne Wade in his latest hit, so it's like this recognition within another sub-culture of society.

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He will be sentenced on March 26, maximum 6 months prison or 10 months listening to BHA talk about Cowher vs. Shanahan :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;655153]He will be sentenced on March 26, maximum 6 months prison or 10 months listening to BHA talk about Cowher vs. Shanahan :)[/quote]

If he's sentenced, do you think the Zards will void his contract?

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i think that's a forgone conclusion. the contract was ridiculous to start with

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The Wizards are definitely going to try and void the contract, and I think they have a solid chance, but it is by no means a cake walk. Remember, an Arbitrator overruled the NBA when they voided Sprewell's contract after choking his coach. Players Association will fight hard against it. Even if they can't I think there will likely be a buy-out or trade.

I've always been a big fan of Arenas, and it's tought to see this, although not unforeseeable. I think they'll try to void Gil's contract and end up shipping out Twan this year as well. Although I'd hate to see Twan in a Cavs uniform, if we could get Z's expiring contract, J.J. Hickson, and a first back, I'd be alright with that. That would leave us with a ton of cap room and we might be able to attract one of the top tier free-agents. Sad to see us back at the rebuilding stage. I've had to go through this so many times over the past few decades.

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[quote=CooleyAsCanBe;655210]
I've always been a big fan of Arenas, and it's tought to see this, although not unforeseeable. I think they'll try to void Gil's contract and end up shipping out Twan this year as well. Although I'd hate to see Twan in a Cavs uniform, if we could get Z's expiring contract, J.J. Hickson, and a first back, I'd be alright with that. That would leave us with a ton of cap room and we might be able to attract one of the top tier free-agents. Sad to see us back at the rebuilding stage. I've had to go through this so many times over the past few decades.[/quote]

Thats what I hate about basketball. Get a Lebron or a Kobe and you're set for a decade. It's not like other sports like hockey, baseball, and football where you need to, and are usually able to, find a lot more parts to field a competitive team.

Still the Wizards were stupid to trade the fifth pick for Mike Miller and Randy Foye. Anyway hope they can become competitive again but as I said before, it's extremely difficult to field a competitive team in basketball.

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Bigger embarrassment for DC sports in 2009-Wizards or Redskins?