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[quote=mlmdub130;624575]cutler was fined $20,000 today, i'm guessing he isn't having a very good day. I'm so glad we didn't get him, i can't beleive the bears gave that much for him really does makes you wonder what we were offering

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hahahaha...

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I'd still rather have him than JC, He's going through a rough time right now, but we've seen what he can do in the right system with receivers, I bet if we had him Tana would have way more yards and TD's JC's afraid to even chuck it down field.

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He's been going through a rough time all year. 5-, 4- and 3-INT games already.

Campbell HAS shown he can through a deep ball. He has no time to this season, not his fault.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;624450]You and me both. I have Palmer and Cutler as my Fantasy QB's - Two weeks ago, I started Cutler he puts up ~10 and Palmer on the bench puts up 35. Last week, I start Palmer and he puts up ~10 and Cutler puts up 25. This week start Cutler b/c Palmer is playing the Steelers and he gets - 3 (and my opponent has Gore who put up 14).

Expect Palmer to have a huge day against the Steelers.[/quote]


Mine is between Cutler and Hassleback. Who ever I sit has a great week.

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[quote=Buster;624590]He's been going through a rough time all year. 5-, 4- and 3-INT games already.

Campbell HAS shown he can through a deep ball. He has no time to this season, not his fault.[/quote]
Campbell has also shown he can't hit open receivers, anticipate routes, read a defense correctly, and the excuse train keeps getting bigger, new coach, new system, he's young, o-line, when do we stop making excuses and show his ass the door, between JC and Cutler give me Cutler any day my friend..

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[quote=Eknox;624598]Campbell has also shown he can't hit open receivers, anticipate routes, read a defense correctly, and the excuse train keeps getting bigger, new coach, new system, he's young, o-line, when do we stop making excuses and show his ass the door, between JC and Cutler give me Cutler any day my friend..[/quote]You can have him. For like a fourth round pick.

Dan Snyder is not a good businessman. Pat Bowlen is an excellent businessman.

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[quote=Buster;624590]He's been going through a rough time all year. 5-, 4- and 3-INT games already.

Campbell HAS shown he can through a deep ball. He has no time to this season, not his fault.[/quote]

Yeah JC gets knocked around but lets stop acting like he is running for his life on every play... There are teams out there with similiar oline situations and they score more than we do. GB and TB come to mind. Tampa's ROOKIE QB comes in and in his first pro game and they score more than we have in a game all season. and he was throwing to guys with names like stroughter--however you spell it, i cant bring myself to go to the TB site-- so lets not say he had better wr's. The offense as a whole is hurting but we know it starts with the man who is under Center. I cant remember the last time i saw JC throw the ball to a spot on a timing route before the wr came out of his cut. It seems that nearly every pass he completes is to a wr who is looking straight at him and JC can see both numbers on his chest.

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[quote=jamf;624414]Kurt Warner threw 5 interceptions two weeks ago and threw for 5 TDs last week.

Guys like Warner, Favre and Cutler play to win games. They try to make the difficult throws instead of dumping off to a RB in the flat.

Cutler looked like crap last night but at the same time he can get hot and beat any team.
I will take him over JC everyday of the week and twice on Sundays.[/quote]

Yup......

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;624606]Yeah JC gets knocked around but lets stop acting like he is running for his life on every play... There are teams out there with similiar oline situations and they score more than we do. GB and TB come to mind. Tampa's ROOKIE QB comes in and in his first pro game and they score more than we have in a game all season. and he was throwing to guys with names like stroughter--however you spell it, i cant bring myself to go to the TB site-- so lets not say he had better wr's. The offense as a whole is hurting but we know it starts with the man who is under Center. I cant remember the last time i saw JC throw the ball to a spot on a timing route before the wr came out of his cut. It seems that nearly every pass he completes is to a wr who is looking straight at him and JC can see both numbers on his chest.[/quote]
Thank you..

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;624606]Yeah JC gets knocked around but lets stop acting like he is running for his life on every play... There are teams out there with similiar oline situations and they score more than we do. GB and TB come to mind. Tampa's ROOKIE QB comes in and in his first pro game and they score more than we have in a game all season. and he was throwing to guys with names like stroughter--however you spell it, i cant bring myself to go to the TB site-- so lets not say he had better wr's. The offense as a whole is hurting but we know it starts with the man who is under Center. I cant remember the last time i saw JC throw the ball to a spot on a timing route before the wr came out of his cut. It seems that nearly every pass he completes is to a wr who is looking straight at him and JC can see both numbers on his chest.[/quote]

Did you see the game last week???? He didn't have a chance. But some of what you say is true.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;624606]Yeah JC gets knocked around but lets stop acting like he is running for his life on every play... There are teams out there with similiar oline situations and they score more than we do. GB and TB come to mind. Tampa's ROOKIE QB comes in and in his first pro game and they score more than we have in a game all season. and he was throwing to guys with names like stroughter--however you spell it, i cant bring myself to go to the TB site-- so lets not say he had better wr's. The offense as a whole is hurting but we know it starts with the man who is under Center. I cant remember the last time i saw JC throw the ball to a spot on a timing route before the wr came out of his cut. It seems that nearly every pass he completes is to a wr who is looking straight at him and JC can see both numbers on his chest.[/quote]Number one, I think you'd have to say, objectively, that the Redskins OL is the perfect blend of poor coaching, under-talented, and injury ridded, and that there's probably no unit quite as bad as it. But there are a bunch of other teams in this league who are in a similiar situation because of their poor OL play.

Tampa and Chicago absolutely have better receivers than we do. Ours are probably the worst group in the league (St. Louis is close if not just as bad, though). It boggles the mind how people can think that our receiving corps aren't the worst they've ever been. It's quite common knowledge among NFL defensive coordinators: just go man to man and they won't have a chance. A lot of teams have bad OLs, but the WRs are where we really get hurt because most teams have figured out that even if you can't block em, you can still run routes and hit open guys.

And then there's problems with the offensive backfield here as well, of course. Those are realtively recent issues: Campbell's ball security and decision making, Portis being a non-contributor, and Sellers has been awful.

It obviously "starts" with the problems that go back to last year. By definition, that's how this mess started. So that's what it starts with.

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And cut the "I've never seen Campbell anticipate a route" bullshit. It happens every game. Maybe a lot of quarterbacks see the field a lot better than him, I don't know. But it happens every damn week, so if you haven't seen it, that's your fault, not Campbells.

Sorry to rain on your Cheerios pissing party.

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[quote=GTripp0012;624619]And cut the "I've never seen Campbell anticipate a route" bullshit. It happens every game. Maybe a lot of quarterbacks see the field a lot better than him, I don't know. [B]But it happens every damn week, so if you haven't seen it, that's your fault, not Campbells.[/B]
Sorry to rain on your Cheerios pissing party.[/quote]

Post a clip of him doing so. :)
honestly ill wait. Maybe i missed it.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009100407/2009/REG4/buccaneers@redskins#tab:watch]NFL Game Center: Tampa Bay Buccaneers at Washington Redskins - 2009 Week 4[/url]

That's the link, you'll have to click the "Cooley 17 yd TD" vid.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009091310/2009/REG1/redskins@giants#tab:watch]NFL Game Center: Washington Redskins at New York Giants - 2009 Week 1[/url]

Video also titled "Cooley 17-yd TD"

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[quote=GTripp0012;624616]Number one, I think you'd have to say, objectively, that the Redskins OL is the perfect blend of poor coaching, under-talented, and injury ridded, and that there's probably no unit quite as bad as it. But there are a bunch of other teams in this league who are in a similiar situation because of their poor OL play.

[B]Tampa and Chicago absolutely have better receivers than we do[/B]. Ours are probably the worst group in the league (St. Louis is close if not just as bad, though). It boggles the mind how people can think that our receiving corps aren't the worst they've ever been. It's quite common knowledge among NFL defensive coordinators: just go man to man and they won't have a chance. A lot of teams have bad OLs, but the WRs are where we really get hurt because most teams have figured out that even if you can't block em, you can still run routes and hit open guys.

And then there's problems with the offensive backfield here as well, of course. Those are realtively recent issues: Campbell's ball security and decision making, Portis being a non-contributor, and Sellers has been awful.

It obviously "starts" with the problems that go back to last year. By definition, that's how this mess started. So that's what it starts with.[/quote]

Now i believe you are reaching my man.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009101102/2009/REG5/redskins@panthers#tab:watch]NFL Game Center: Washington Redskins at Carolina Panthers - 2009 Week 5[/url]

"Portis TD rec"

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;624635]Now i believe you are reaching my man.[/quote]Well, I'm not shocked that you don't realize this, but the rest of the league does.

Note that I found three instances in five minutes of Campbell anticipating a guy coming open...and not once to a wide receiver.

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[quote=GTripp0012;624633][url=http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009091310/2009/REG1/redskins@giants#tab:watch]NFL Game Center: Washington Redskins at New York Giants - 2009 Week 1[/url]

Video also titled "Cooley 17-yd TD"[/quote]

Cooley pretty much looked back at JC during the route, where was the anticipation??? nice play but it wasnt what i was talking about.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;624641]Cooley pretty much looked back at JC during the route, where was the anticipation??? nice play but it wasnt what i was talking about.[/quote]Well, as usual, I have no idea what you are talking about. That's an NFL level throw and an NFL level catch. That's all. It's pretty run-of-the-mill.

Like I said, it happens every week.

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[quote=GTripp0012;624637][url=http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009101102/2009/REG5/redskins@panthers#tab:watch]NFL Game Center: Washington Redskins at Carolina Panthers - 2009 Week 5[/url]

"Portis TD rec"[/quote]

Again, not what im talking about.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;624643]Again, not what im talking about.[/quote]Okay, well, if you're just going to bullshit us, then why post?

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I really hope that everyone who was in the dump Campbell for Cutler camp are seeing what he is doing and realizing that he would have been a worthless addition to the Redskins, right now it doesn't matter who u put behind the line, they will suck because the line is so god awful.

Fix the line >> keep campbell/get new qb, wont make a difference until the line is fixed

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[quote=GTripp0012;624646]Okay, well, if you're just going to bullshit us, then why post?[/quote]

Im not the one posting bullshit clips of the target looking at JC like i said the majority of the time is the case. not 1 vid showed any anticipation that you claimed happens every game.

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I'm just thankful the Redskins didn't give up all their draft choices in 2010 plus Campbell to get Cutler.

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I think the Portis clip doesn't show anticipation. Portis is running straight line, Campbell scrambling and forces it in. But the Giants Cooley TD, Campbell releases when Cooley is still at the 5 yard line, has not looked back, nor made his cut.

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DB by the time the ball reaches a receiver they always should be looking, obviously. The question I think you are talking about is when Campbell releases in relation to the person he is throwing the ball too. Really, Campbell, like many qb's has to trust his receivers alot or else he hesitates. That's why he hits Cooley in stride, but is a second behind other WR's. Great qbs, like Favre, Manning, Brady all develop that trust with their wide receivers quickly, and also communicate to the WR's at the time of the play what they should do next time. That's how qb's make receivers great.

On a related note:
Can anyone remember a time when you saw Campbell and a WR talking during a game about what the DBs are doing? I am sure they must, but just doesn't seem like I see it ever.

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I don't understand why people can't accept the fact that having Cutler here in the situation we are in, would be just as bad as having Campbell. This is by no means a defense on Campbell's behalf, it's more an indictment on the state of our offense and the coaches. Anyone who says "I'll take Cutler over Campbell anytime" is just not seeing the bigger picture...we can't have a decent QB under center if the line can't protect him or allow for even a decent running game.

Green Bay right now is 4-4, because their QB can't get a pass off; Chicago is 4-5. Very few teams can win with a crappy ass offensive line. Add to that an aging runningback running on fumes, terrible receivers, and a bend-but-don't break defense, and you have the Washington Redskins.

So, no, I don't want Cutler right here and right now, because we don't have the offense that would allow Cutler or any other QB (save Manning, Brady, and Brees) to win.

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[quote=GTripp0012;624616]Number one, I think you'd have to say, objectively, that the Redskins OL is the perfect blend of poor coaching, under-talented, and injury ridded, and that there's probably no unit quite as bad as it. But there are a bunch of other teams in this league who are in a similiar situation because of their poor OL play.

[B]Tampa and Chicago absolutely have better receivers than we do[/B]. Ours are probably the worst group in the league (St. Louis is close if not just as bad, though). It boggles the mind how people can think that our receiving corps aren't the worst they've ever been. It's quite common knowledge among NFL defensive coordinators: just go man to man and they won't have a chance. A lot of teams have bad OLs, but the WRs are where we really get hurt because most teams have figured out that even if you can't block em, you can still run routes and hit open guys.

And then there's problems with the offensive backfield here as well, of course. Those are realtively recent issues: Campbell's ball security and decision making, Portis being a non-contributor, and Sellers has been awful.

It obviously "starts" with the problems that go back to last year. By definition, that's how this mess started. So that's what it starts with.[/quote]

How can you say that with such certainty?

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[quote=Paintrain;624416]He's Jeff George 2.0.. Tools that will make you drool but his talent and decision making fall well short of the level of his bravado.[/quote]

That's exactly what I was thinking. He is Jeff George 2.0, on some days he's brilliant, on most days indecision. redzone inefficiency and interceptions seems to get the better of him.

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In Cutlers defense his WR's can't get open for sh*t. The TE was the only one who could get open all night. To bad they gave up 2 number ones and won't be able to draft any receivers in the first round for the next 2 years. Time to bring in T.O!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;624657]DB by the time the ball reaches a receiver they always should be looking, obviously. The question I think you are talking about is when Campbell releases in relation to the person he is throwing the ball too. Really, Campbell, like many qb's has to trust his receivers alot or else he hesitates. That's why he hits Cooley in stride, but is a second behind other WR's. Great qbs, like Favre, Manning, Brady all develop that trust with their wide receivers quickly, and also communicate to the WR's at the time of the play what they should do next time. That's how qb's make receivers great.

On a related note:
[B]Can anyone remember a time when you saw Campbell and a WR talking during a game about what the DBs are doing? I am sure they must, but just doesn't seem like I see it ever.[/B][/quote]

Excellent question! I can't remember seeing it.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;624657]DB by the time the ball reaches a receiver they always should be looking, obviously. The question I think you are talking about is when Campbell releases in relation to the person he is throwing the ball too. Really, Campbell, like many qb's has to trust his receivers alot or else he hesitates. That's why he hits Cooley in stride, but is a second behind other WR's. Great qbs, like Favre, Manning, Brady all develop that trust with their wide receivers quickly, and also communicate to the WR's at the time of the play what they should do next time. That's how qb's make receivers great.

On a related note:
[B]Can anyone remember a time when you saw Campbell and a WR talking during a game about what the DBs are doing? I am sure they must, but just doesn't seem like I see it ever.[/B][/quote]

I've seen him talk to the young receivers quite a bit...never seem him talk to that POS Moss or ARE.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;624450]You and me both. I have Palmer and Cutler as my Fantasy QB's - Two weeks ago, I started Cutler he puts up ~10 and Palmer on the bench puts up 35. Last week, I start Palmer and he puts up ~10 and Cutler puts up 25. This week start Cutler b/c Palmer is playing the Steelers and he gets - 3 (and my opponent has Gore who put up 14).

Expect Palmer to have a huge day against the Steelers.[/quote]


Shoot dude, I am screwed on my fantasy team. I got McNabb and Ryan. Both are stinking up the joint. Both cost me the playoffs probably, along with Portis.

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[quote=Paintrain;624416]He's Jeff George 2.0.. Tools that will make you drool but his talent and decision making fall well short of the level of his bravado. I think he's always going to be a guy who looks like he's about to turn the corner and then pull out a stinker like this. Like the old cliche, he's good enough to keep both teams in the game.[/quote]Pretty much sums up my opinion on Cutler. The guy handled the Matt Cassel trade scenario with total immaturity. I'm glad that we didn't shell out future first rounders for this guy.

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This thread deserves a bump. Especially after tonight's performance so far.

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Totally agree. If Campbell was pulling the crap Cutler has been pulling tonight and all season, I might add, we'd pulling our hair out right now.

No way Cutler is better than Campbell. He's a straight up head case.

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He's terrible. I'm starting to lean towards the Jeff George comparisons. He's overthrown two wide open TDs already. His decision making is really bad.

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He really is closer to Jeff George. The thing is he'll keep slinging and eventually get one, but he's not that good in my opinion.

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If he is Jeff George 2.0, does that mean Snyder brings him in at the end of his career?