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[quote=Mattyk72;599673]Then we'll have nothing to whine err I mean talk about. :)[/quote]
When that happens Armageddon wil be a........thing of the past.

OH, and JZ stays IF, we demonstrate a modicum of change. The "new" guys start producing. Innovation can be seen in the play calling, and F..n time mgmt. AND we don't limp and LUCK our way to a w-card only to get spanked in the WC game.
A clear step forward.....NOT a...see ya' next season for more of the same. I personally am WAY tired of "Groundhog Day". YOU KNOW, inspiring confidence to all that we actually may know WTF we're doing?

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Trust me, 9-7 and Zorn and Blache are out of here. I think 9-7 and a first round playoff berth and they're gone.

A second round playoff appearance, Hunter Smith knocking out the lights of Jerry's Jone's screen per Zorn, Zorn on his knees begging Danny to keep his job, run a few fire drills, 50 push-ups, 100 sit ups and Danny might let him stay.

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If Zorn makes the playoffs, Ill be happy and wont complain, but Im am still in favor of firing Vinny and hiring a real GM regardless. I would def but 4 Zorn and JC staying if we do make the playoffs.

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At this point and with this schedule 9-7 would represent an epic turnaround. The combined records of the next three opponents is 0-9 so really you need to get those wins, but it is very unlikely they go 3-0. Hopefully you can beat Tampa Bay and Kansas City, legitimately bad teams, at home. I don't see the Skins going into the Carolina, facing a desperate team who is coming off a bye week, and stealing a victory. So that puts you, best case, 3-3 heading into the varsity portion of the schedule. If Zorn can come up with 6 wins against the NFC East, New Orleans, @ Atlanta, and @ San Diego he really would be doing something. That is eight of the games, he also gets to face Denver at home (who looks improved on defense, if not quite as good as 3-0 would suggest), and a terrible Oakland team on the road. Even the Oakland game will be tough because it is a West Coast trip. If you come out of that 9-7, after the way they looked against St. Louis and Detroit, then Zorn would really have done something good. It seems pretty hard to imagine right now. If they play at the level they have so far you are looking at something like 6-10 or worse.

Frankly we will know a lot more after this week. If you lose to Tampa than you have now dropped 2 conference games to two of the worst teams in the conference. Forget playoffs at that point because you won't be winning any tiebreakers. Then it just becomes a bunch of guys playing for their jobs and it will get even uglier.

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Wow. This is a tough question. I don't know what keeo Zorn here other than a complete turn around before the bye week. If we limp into the bye at 2-5 I think Zorn may be fired at that point. Of course, that being said I don't think 9-7 and missing the playoffs will keep him his job either. 9-7 isn't going to be good enough in the NFC this year to make the playoffs. 10-6 or better in the NFC to get the Wildcard.

Even then Zorn is going to need to fight to get to 10-6 and win a playoff game. Then he gets to stay. Right now that is a very daunting task for the HC.

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[quote=Mattyk72;599673]Then we'll have nothing to whine err I mean talk about. :)[/quote]
Classic ! Err , skins fans whine ,,, say it isn't so :)

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[quote=DynamiteRave;599699]You called yourself brilliant? :confused:[/quote]
I always tell people how great I'am ,,,, but nobody believes me (:

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If they continue to play like shit but eventually turn the corner and finish strong (a la Marty), I think Snyder might be inclined to give Zorn another season and even sign Campbell to a long term deal. Maybe the light bulb will go off in Zorn's head sometime. He's still pretty much a rookie play caller after all.

But in all likelihood, we will have a new coach, QB and hopefully GM next year.

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[quote=Meks;599764]it's more than Zorn first of all ...

blache has ALOT to do with the games we've already lost. point blank.

i've been saying all along if things change u know, maybe we dont have to fire the staff...

simple enough, if the subtle things change, we WILL start winning...

if they dont .... happy trails... evreybody but Bugel should go.[/quote]

The Rams scored 7, the Lions scored 19 and the Giants scored 23 (with a fumble 6 by their D). We only let 1 team score 30 last year, and it was the last game of the year. Yes, the D looked bad against the Lions, but they NEVER get to play with a lead and always have to pick up the slack for our putrid Offense who hasn't scored 30 points in 19 games now.

Brees threw 6 TDs against the Lions in game 1. It will take Campbell 6 games to match that. The O is still the biggest liability on this team.

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[quote=SmootSmack;599672]I know we've all pretty much written off the season and are ready to start talking about whether we'll be introducing Cowher or Shanahan in 2010...but what if things start to click?

What if suddenly we start winning games?

What then? Do we give Zorn another year?

I guess basically my question is what keeps Zorn here in 2010[/quote]


If we suddenly start winning games this will be a more peaceful place on Sunday nights, and throughout the coming week.

Depending on the success we have going foreward will determine whether Zorn get's more time. If the team snaps out of it's funk and begins to win games then Zorn should be safe in 2010 and beyond.

The man needs more time with all the parts neccessary to produce a winning team . Some say he does not need the tools neccessary to win, in other words, he should be able to make bricks out of straw.

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[quote=44Deezel;599846]The Rams scored 7, the Lions scored 19 and the Giants scored 23 (with a fumble 6 by their D). We only let 1 team score 30 last year, and it was the last game of the year. Yes, the D looked bad against the Lions, but they NEVER get to play with a lead and always have to pick up the slack for our putrid Offense who hasn't scored 30 points in 19 games now.

Brees threw 6 TDs against the Lions in game 1. It will take Campbell 6 games to match that. The O is still the biggest liability on this team.[/quote]

You make good points as far as PPG and the defense, but that doesn't excuse their inability to get off the field on 3rd downs, and our sack/INT total is pacing to look just as terrible as last year's unit. I think that's got to fall at Blache's feet.

IMO he should have been fired as soon as he said sacks are "overrated." :doh: Convenient spin by a coordinator who can't buy a sack. The best defenses in the league are the ones that relentlessly pressure the QB, Greg.

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[quote=SmootSmack;599672]I know we've all pretty much written off the season and are ready to start talking about whether we'll be introducing Cowher or Shanahan in 2010...[B]but what if things start to click?[/B]

[B]What if suddenly we start winning games?[/B]

What then? Do we give Zorn another year?

I guess basically my question is what keeps Zorn here in 2010[/quote]

[B]If[/B] that happens I think we keep Zorn. [B]If[/B] this offense takes off and starts becoming what we're hoping it could be, we have to keep him. We have'nt had an explosive, or really good, offense in a very long time. I think that is what was really instrumental in bringing him here and I think Danny would really love to see more of a WR friendly offense than what we've had in the past. I wouldn't fire any coach who was responsible for "curing" the offensive woes we've had for so long. If the "D" doesn't improve, I think Blache will, and should be, held accountable for that and will be replaced. The sooner the better if you ask me. If the offense can stop making stupid mistakes and score points, and the defense can do what we expected by the moves we've made, sacks-turnovers, get off the field on 3rd down, we're a very competitive team. Keep improving and finish strong and all is forgiven.

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Well we started off last year winning games so I don't see why we could not go on another one. In sports its funny how one play, game, or series of the two and things go from bad to good. I for one will not write off a season after 3 games and 13 more to play.

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I have no problem with retaining Zorn if he makes the playoffs. All the Skins have to do is win the games they are supposed to and go .500 inthe remaining games.

@NYG L
STL W
@DET L
TB W
@CAR W
KC W
PHI W
@ATL L
@DEN W
@DAL L
@PHI L
NO L
@OAK W
NYG W
DAL W
@SD W

10-6 Wildcard

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[quote=firstdown;599903]Well we started off last year winning games so I don't see why we could not go on another one. In sports its funny how one play, game, or series of the two and things go from bad to good. I for one will not write off a season after 3 games and 13 more to play.[/quote]

I agree. A few adjustments, less mistakes, who knows?

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[quote=GMScud;599888]You make good points as far as PPG and the defense, but that doesn't excuse their inability to get off the field on 3rd downs, and our sack/INT total is pacing to look just as terrible as last year's unit. I think that's got to fall at Blache's feet.

IMO he should have been fired as soon as he said sacks are "overrated." :doh: Convenient spin by a coordinator who can't buy a sack. The best defenses in the league are the ones that relentlessly pressure the QB, Greg.[/quote]

Exactly. We are last in the NFL in 3rd down defense. LAST

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If it was my decision I would keep zorn if the offense shows signs of improvement. so far this year i think our passing game has improved from last year with JC getting to throw the ball more and the passing routes seem to be longer (JC's increased yds/att).

imo our passing game has taken a big step forward, our O line has done a good job in pass protect. unfortunately for whatever reason it seems that our running game has taken steps back.

so i guess for me, if our passing game continues to improve and our run game can be brought back up to its normal production i think our offense will not be a problem. if this happens, id like to keep zorn and maybe add a more experienced play caller/offensive coord. (cam cameron would have been fantastic, maybe norv if the chargers dont do well). and of course retire greg blache.

go skins!!

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[quote=SmootSmack;599689]I think he needs to win at least one playoff game[/quote]

Agreed!

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[quote=over the mountain;599966]If it was my decision I would keep zorn if the offense shows signs of improvement. so far this year i think our passing game has improved from last year with JC getting to throw the ball more and the passing routes seem to be longer (JC's increased yds/att).

imo our passing game has taken a big step forward, our O line has done a good job in pass protect. unfortunately for whatever reason it seems that our running game has taken steps back.

so i guess for me, if our passing game continues to improve and our run game can be brought back up to its normal production i think our offense will not be a problem. if this happens, id like to keep zorn and maybe add a more experienced play caller (cam cameron would have been fantastic, maybe norv if the chargers dont do well). and of course retire greg blache.

go skins!![/quote]

The running game though has suffered the most and I think with the type of players we have and the way we were successful last year it's imperative that we get the running game going. Unfortunately I don't think we have the OL personnel to do it. The left side ironically is fine, whats not fine is running it there most of the time with what appears to be a worn down running back on his last legs.

Our main problems though as it relates to the O-line are that from center onto the right side. As of now we have an undersized center past his prime, a mauler at right guard, and a pass blocking RT that can't run block well. What we need is a bigger center, a pulling guard, and a mauler at RT that can hold his own in pass protection.

Part of me believes that Mike Williams is closer to what we need at RT then Heyer but between his fitness level and his struggles in pass protection I don't know if we can afford to put him in yet and even then he's only a stopgap. I guess we can wait till the end of the year and see how Rinehart turns out but either way we are going to need a new RT and a bigger Center. If anything those should be two of our first three picks in next years draft.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;599908]I have no problem with retaining Zorn if he makes the playoffs. All the Skins have to do is win the games they are supposed to and go .500 inthe remaining games.

@NYG L
STL W
@DET L
TB W
@CAR W
KC W
[SIZE="4"][B]PHI W[/B][/SIZE]
@ATL L
@DEN W
@DAL L
@PHI L
NO L
@OAK W
[SIZE="4"][B]NYG W
DAL W
@SD W[/B][/SIZE]
10-6 Wildcard[/quote]

Smoking the good stuff again! :Smoker:

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I think the problems are all above Zorn so in my mind he can stay if they have a winning record and the offense improves and is somewhat responsible for them being a winning team. The coach of this team is irrelivent as long as Vinny is steering the ship.

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[quote=GMScud;599888]You make good points as far as PPG and the defense, but that doesn't excuse their inability to get off the field on 3rd downs, and our sack/INT total is pacing to look just as terrible as last year's unit. I think that's got to fall at Blache's feet.

IMO he should have been fired as soon as he said sacks are "overrated." :doh: Convenient spin by a coordinator who can't buy a sack. The best defenses in the league are the ones that relentlessly pressure the QB, Greg.[/quote]
Sacks , we don't need no stinking sacks :) . I wish your Gators would have had that belief going into the NCAA Champ. Game with OSU . That made me question our D Cord. ,,, we don't need / care about sacks ?

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It's just like my drill instructor used to say to me, "If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all be fat mother effers". Show me the money! No excuses.

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All I think Zorn really needs to do is keep giving the notion that there's legitimate hope in this team for the future. If at some point, Snyder doesn't believe that better times are ahead, he'll cut his losses.

There's no set amount of wins, 7-9 could get Zorn extended if the offensive line gels and we win shootouts with teams like Atlanta, New Orleans, and Philadelphia with Campbell getting involved in the offensive POY discussion. Because that would represent significant progress.

What can't happen is that we fail to win a game between Week 7 and Week 13. Because that's the meat of our schedule, and if we lose 6 games in a row (even if we win the next three), Zorn probably doesn't even make the trip out to Oakland with the team.

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I think he has to go deep into the playoffs, and win convincingly..

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[in response to thread title only]

I hate hypothetical discussions ;)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;600098][in response to thread title only]

I hate hypothetical discussions ;)[/quote]

That's what I'm saying.

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Don't mean to hijack the thread but I just got to say this. D.Hall is a freakin idiot. I just heard him say that he disagrees with London Fletcher....that we [B]are[/B] a great football team. Does this moron understand that great football teams play great football and we ain't playing great football? When did this ego-maniac become the voice of the team anyway? London Fletcher is a captain and to this point, Hall is a wannabe and nothing more. FKin dumbass. Sorry. :rant:

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[quote=53Fan;600118]Don't mean to hijack the thread but I just got to say this. D.Hall is a freakin idiot. I just heard him say that he disagrees with London Fletcher....that we [B]are[/B] a great football team. Does this moron understand that great football teams play great football and we ain't playing great football? When did this ego-maniac become the voice of the team anyway? London Fletcher is a captain and to this point, Hall is a wannabe and nothing more. FKin dumbass. Sorry. :rant:[/quote]
The only thing Hall needs to be doing is picking off Rookie QBs for pick 6's, if he ain't doing that then I don't really wanna hear from him.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;600120]The only thing Hall needs to be doing is picking off Rookie QBs for pick 6's, if he ain't doing that then I don't really wanna hear from him.[/quote]

Same here. Until you put up, shut up. He's got Los running around behind him like a little puppy basically repeating Halls BS. Los just said they need to find their identity, and Fletch basically said that didn't have anything to do with it and if you see a play in front of you, make it.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;600098][in response to thread title only]

I hate hypothetical discussions ;)[/quote]

We should start a thread about the roles that Sasquatch possibly might play in football. :)

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[quote=Lotus;600134]We should start a thread about the roles that Sasquatch possibly might play in football. :)[/quote]

What happens if the Mayans, Egyptians, and Nostradomus are right about 2012?

In all seriousness the Bucs in my opinion are one of the worst teams in the league so the question should be what if we lose? If we lose to 2 terrible teams in back to back games, the shit is gonna hit the fan. Zorn needs to show Snyder that he can score some points. I mean the Saints have scored more TD's this year(14) then we have in our last 11 games.

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Playoffs is the only thing that will keep the Zorny around one more season, but to be honest, the odds of that happening are long indeed. I have about the same odds of banging Jessica Simpson than Zorn has of turning things around. When Marty got the team switching gears it was because they finally got in tune with his system, etc. Zorn in many ways is his own worst enemy and his system quite frankly is archaic. How can you explain JC passing for over 300 yards an ony 2 scores, plus losing to the Lions and barely beating the Rams. Our guys can produce, but the system does not play to their strengths. ANother major problem is our depth on defense. Holy shit, our defensive backfield starters go down for a prolonged period of time and we are in some serious shit. Even when they are healthy we are not in the best way. In short, Zorny needs to tinker with his system and pray to god our starting defensive backs don't get banged up too much for him to even think about making the playoffs and saving his job.

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[quote=WaldSkins;600140]What happens if the Mayans, Egyptians, and Nostradomus are right about 2012?

In all seriousness the Bucs in my opinion are one of the worst teams in the league so the question should be what if we lose? If we lose to 2 terrible teams in back to back games, the shit is gonna hit the fan. Zorn needs to show Snyder that he can score some points. I mean the Saints have scored more TD's this year(14) then we have in our last 11 games.[/quote]


We lose to the Bucs at home season over, it is that simple. The Bucs are one really shitty team, even worse than the Lions. WE can take one with Dallas, but the Gmen and Philly, we will have 0 chance of beating, with our suspect D.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;600098][in response to thread title only]

I hate hypothetical discussions ;)[/quote]

This thread title.....reminds me....of Stevie....from....Malcolm.....In the....Middle.

[IMG]http://www.kidzworld.com/img/upload/article/24715/a464i1_stevie1-WA.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=53Fan;600118]Don't mean to hijack the thread but I just got to say this. D.Hall is a freakin idiot. I just heard him say that he disagrees with London Fletcher....that we [B]are[/B] a great football team. Does this moron understand that great football teams play great football and we ain't playing great football? When did this ego-maniac become the voice of the team anyway? London Fletcher is a captain and to this point, Hall is a wannabe and nothing more. FKin dumbass. Sorry. :rant:[/quote]

Beautifully said!! I guess when you get paid a lot and don't produce on the field you start by acting like the responsible team PR member. :)

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[quote=Lotus;600134]We should start a thread about the roles that Sasquatch possibly might play in football. :)[/quote]

I don't think he has the footwork needed to play LT but he could possibly be an adequate backup RT. At this point I would be willing to give him a shot. Has Philadelphia signed him yet?

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[quote=WaldSkins;600140][B]What happens if the Mayans, Egyptians, and Nostradomus are right about 2012?[/B]

In all seriousness the Bucs in my opinion are one of the worst teams in the league so the question should be what if we lose? If we lose to 2 terrible teams in back to back games, the shit is gonna hit the fan. Zorn needs to show Snyder that he can score some points. I mean the Saints have scored more TD's this year(14) then we have in our last 11 games.[/quote]

The Maya calendar has yet to predict the end of the universe and be mistaken. You can take that prophesy to the bank.

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Not sure whether this was already brought up in the thread but when I think beyond this season I just think about everything the FO did to replace JC in the off-season. Ultimately I think that remains a goal...ditch JC and bring in whomever the FO falls in love with. Ok so even if Zorn miraculously extends his stay in Washington he'll probably start over w/ a new QB and who knows how that will go. I mean the one thing pretty obvious here is Zorn doesn't put anything together in a hurry i.e. it took him quite a while to bring JC up to speed in the WCO and we're still waiting for him to bring the rest of the offense around. Meanwhile Jason's bad old habits wrt ball control are creeping back, which then again make his return less likely still. So Zorn probably starts all over w/ a new QB (best case scenario if you really like the guy) and who knows where that leaves us...

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Zorn will be given more leeway because Snyder took a personal gamble promoting him to HC. I would imagine that Snyder would try to give Zorn more of a chance to make his (Snyder's) decision look good.

On the other hand, based on the off-season attempts to get another QB, if JC goes down and Collins comes in, and at the same time the offense gets better (as in a couple of years ago) they may keep Zorn (even if the record isn't so good) but ditch JC.