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[quote=Green1;597607]If the O scores we dont need a defensive touchdown[/quote]If the D scores, we don't need an offensive touchdown.

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[quote=Green1;597607]If the O scores we dont need a defensive touchdown[/quote]

the O scored twice today

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[quote=Green1;597607]If the O scores we dont need a defensive touchdown[/quote]

If the D stops someone we dont either.

If they can't stop someone they could at least get some turnovers. They make more mistakes than turnovers.

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[quote=Mattyk72;597483]Everyone needs to be held accountable right now.[/quote]


I was going to say the exact same thing.

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I guess Blache should manage self imposed momentum swings...

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;597623]I guess Blache should manage self imposed momentum swings...[/quote]Acutally, I personally feel we should double the salary of everyone on the defense. Including Blache. I mean, they have to watch our offense struggle, and then they go out on the field and...they just look like a team who has somewhere better to be. If we just upped their salary, we could pay them to make football the most important thing during the game.

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[quote=GTripp0012;597639]Acutally, I personally feel we should double the salary of everyone on the defense. Including Blache. I mean, they have to watch our offense struggle, and then they go out on the field and...they just look like a team who has somewhere better to be. If we just upped their salary, we could pay them to make football the most important thing during the game.[/quote]

They have a plan and they execute it. Granted, the first half they looked bad, but it must be tough to deal with idiocy on offense. And either way, when does the offense bail out the defense? I can name a dozen games where the defense made it a game over the last couple of years.

The defense is light years ahead of the offense. Last year you could blame the line. The line has been fine so far. How do the defense or offense stay focused when the head man should be replaced by the special teams coach.

I hate the owner but I feel bad for every one of those players.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;597648]They have a plan and they execute it. Granted, the first half they looked bad, but it must be tough to deal with idiocy on offense. [B]And either way, when does the offense bail out the defense?[/B] I can name a dozen games where the defense made it a game over the last couple of years.

The defense is light years ahead of the offense. Last year you could blame the line. The line has been fine so far. How do the defense or offense stay focused when the head man should be replaced by the special teams coach.

I hate the owner but I feel bad for every one of those players.[/quote]Well, it's true that when our defense plays awful, we generally lose. Go figure.

But when our defense performs even competently, we usually win. Go figure.

Maybe this has never, ever been about the offense.

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Im sorry but our D line did jack fkcing shit today. No pressure, give the rook all day to find Calvin Johnson. D looked awful, and dont even get me started on our "stud" rook d-end/LB Orakpo. So far, he has done nothing at ALL.

Blech.

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[quote=Stacks42;597515]The highly touted Skins D let the crappy lions drive the ball 99 yds for a touchdown.[/quote]


To that point the Redskins Head Coach allowed that TD to, happen first by going for it on 4th down and second by not taking the stop on third down and accepting the offensive pass interference call. I know that hind sight is 20/20 but why not play good smart football. That is a head coach with a real risk taker philosophy.

Oh and to the Jim Zorn playcalling and being a risk taker. So far to this at this point Jason called two touchdown drives both in hurry up mode. Jim Zorn = 1 and Danny Smith =1. What is wrong with that picture?

The Defense played bad. The offense continues to play bad. We are in for a lonnnngggg season. Also Peter King said someone inside the organization said Jim Zorn won't be fired. Reasoning: JZ is the Qb coach, the OC, and the HC. Maybe next time the dude shouldnt have so many jobs.

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[quote=JGisLordOfTheRings;597654]Im sorry but our D line did jack fkcing shit today. No pressure, give the rook all day to find Calvin Johnson. D looked awful, and dont even get me started on our "stud" rook d-end/LB Orakpo. So far, he has done nothing at ALL.

Blech.[/quote]

Ummm.. Orakpo had a sack.

Haynesworth had a sack, got carted off and then came back.

Go study Holmgren's playbook, Zorn.

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defense played awful today. the problems I have with Blache is
1) the db's play way too soft
2) put Orakpo at de his natural position
3) apparently he does not know what the word blitz means.

Even when the defense did play "good" they still had no pressure on the qb. pressure creates turnovers - that is a fact.

No defense should let a team march 99 yards and get a td.

In my humble opinion blache should be let now. Make either grey or the lb coach the defensive coordinator

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;597687]Ummm.. Orakpo had a sack.

Haynesworth had a sack, got carted off and then came back.

Go study Holmgren's playbook, Zorn.[/quote]


Would Holmgren come here tommorow and teach it to JZ? Could they bring him in as a special advisor? Snyder break out the check book for a minute. [IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon10.gif[/IMG] even though that really wouldnt solve the front office problem. unles holmgrem wants to be pres. 1st order of business remove VC.

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You guys don't think that Zorn and Holmgren speak? I'm sure he calls him every once in a while.

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As for blaming Blache.

Our defense took horrible attack angles on on the runners today.

Carlos Rodgers has taken a step back in stead of forward in a contract year.

DHAll has looked bad. I cant put it any differently he has been continually abused all year.

Fred Smoot got burnt a few more times.

The LBs cant cover shit and today took poor attack lines on the runners. Read above I believe this was a team issue.

The Dline brought minamal pressure. The Lions oline looked stout all day and won in the trneches.

Laron Landry plays so far off the line of scrimmage I cant see him most of the defensive plays. I see this team with 3 good SS and not one FS ( should have fixed this by now but no one in the front office really cares and the DC thinks it "fine"

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[quote=Stacks42;597515]The highly touted Skins D let the crappy lions drive the ball 99 yds for a touchdown.[/quote]

And then on the next drive they went 95 yards for a field goal

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;597710]You guys don't think that Zorn and Holmgren speak? I'm sure he calls him every once in a while.[/quote]

Well he must not talk to him enough.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;597574]Problems go beyond Greg Blache. Problems lie in talent level.[/quote]There are some areas where talent can improve on D, every team has weaknesses. But talent is not the issue.

- Orakpo, Best defensive player in the 2009 draft.
- [B]Haynesworth,[/B] arguably the best DT in football, certainly top 5.
- Griffin, aging but still solid
- Carter, solid rush end, average to slighty sub-par in run D
- backup DTs, average
- [B]Fletcher,[/B] Pro Bowl caliber MLB
- Rocky, average
- [B]Landry[/B], very fast, very talented S. Lacks maturity so far.
- Horton, better than average SS
- Rogers, above average CB
- Smoot, good tackler, good in short-mid Zone coverage, liability in man
- Doughty, above average backup SS overall, sub-par in coverage
- Hall, playing below expectations.

So the D has a Pro Bowl or near PRo Bowl caliber player at every level and no glaring weaknesses. This is not a case of trying to make chicken salad with chicken shit.

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We'll get Blache too. He will suffer for this outrage!

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[quote=Stacks42;597515]The highly touted Skins D let the crappy lions drive the ball 99 yds for a touchdown.[/quote]

HOLD UP!!!! Jim Zorn let the crappy lions drive 99 remember he declined the penalty and they scored. Let's do the math if Zorn kicks the field goal at the 1 and the lions kick the field goal instead of scoring the score could have been 17-15 skins win!!!!

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;597574]Problems go beyond Greg Blache. Problems lie in talent level.[/quote]EDIT: duplicate post

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;597669]Oh and to the Jim Zorn playcalling and being a risk taker. So far to this at this point Jason called two touchdown drives both in hurry up mode. Jim Zorn = 1 and Danny Smith =1. What is wrong with that picture?[/quote]

You think. But you know. JC is our problem on offense defense & special teams. Once he is gone next year all our problems will be solved.

To be honest on both of those plays the 4TH & 1 and the 3rd & 13 Zorn trusted his defense. I think he needs to stop trusting them and trust his offense. Well he can't trust them either because we can't get one yeard when we need it. This is a ball of hot mess!!!

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;597944]There are some areas where talent can improve on D, every team has weaknesses. But talent is not the issue.

- Orakpo, Best defensive player in the 2009 draft.
- [B]Haynesworth,[/B] arguably the best DT in football, certainly top 5.
- Griffin, aging but still solid
- Carter, solid rush end, average to slighty sub-par in run D
- backup DTs, average
- [B]Fletcher,[/B] Pro Bowl caliber MLB
- Rocky, average
- [B]Landry[/B], very fast, very talented S. Lacks maturity so far.
- Horton, better than average SS
- Rogers, above average CB
- Smoot, good tackler, good in short-mid Zone coverage, liability in man
- Doughty, above average backup SS overall, sub-par in coverage
- Hall, playing below expectations.

So the D has a Pro Bowl or near PRo Bowl caliber player at every level and no glaring weaknesses. This is not a case of trying to make chicken salad with chicken shit.[/quote]

Thank you. Blache is a BIG part of the problem. The defense with this amount of talent should be a LOT better.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;597574]Problems go beyond Greg Blache. Problems lie in talent level.[/quote]

Well if you are a good coach you bring the best out of average players and make good players better. We were stopping teams on 3rd down a few years ago with the same players and we supposedly upgraded this year. Come again!!

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;597956]HOLD UP!!!! Jim Zorn let the crappy lions drive 99 remember he declined the penalty and they scored. Let's do the math if Zorn kicks the field goal at the 1 and the lions kick the field goal instead of scoring the score could have been 17-15 skins win!!!![/quote]
- Jim Zorn didn't call a Cover-2 Man with the safeties 20 yds. deep on the Stafford run.
- Jim Zorn didn't get out of his rush lane to leave a hole for Stafford.
- Jim Zorn didn't jump offsides twice in the drive.
- Jim Zorn doesn't wear # 27 and can't read and make a break on a 20 yd out route.
- Jim Zorn didn't make a completely AWFUL play on the TD pass.
- Jim Zorn isn't calling a vanilla D that let's the OL open holes and then get 5 yds downfield to the second level on the LBs earlier in the drive.

Nothing wrong with the 4th down decision to go for it, but just like last week, HATE the playcall. No problem with accepting the penalty to put the Lions out of FG range, Hanson indoors is pretty automatic from 50 and in. I'm not giving the Lions 3 points.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;597974]- Jim Zorn didn't call a Cover-2 Man with the safeties 20 yds. deep on the Stafford run.
- Jim Zorn didn't get out of his rush lane to leave a hole for Stafford.
- Jim Zorn didn't jump offsides twice in the drive.
- Jim Zorn doesn't wear # 27 and can't read and make a break on a 20 yd out route.
- [B]Jim Zorn didn't make a completely AWFUL play on the TD pass.[/B]
- Jim Zorn isn't calling a vanilla D that let's the OL open holes and then get 5 yds downfield to the second level on the LBs earlier in the drive.

Nothing wrong with the 4th down decision to go for it, but just like last week, HATE the playcall. No problem with accepting the penalty to put the Lions out of FG range, Hanson indoors is pretty automatic from 50 and in. I'm not giving the Lions 3 points.[/quote]

If you are talking about Rogers, when this happened I said to myself..."Isn't this guy playing for a new contract or free agency??" Apprently he's not.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;597974]- Jim Zorn didn't call a Cover-2 Man with the safeties 20 yds. deep on the Stafford run.
- Jim Zorn didn't get out of his rush lane to leave a hole for Stafford.
- Jim Zorn didn't jump offsides twice in the drive.
- Jim Zorn doesn't wear # 27 and can't read and make a break on a 20 yd out route.
- Jim Zorn didn't make a completely AWFUL play on the TD pass.
- Jim Zorn isn't calling a vanilla D that let's the OL open holes and then get 5 yds downfield to the second level on the LBs earlier in the drive.

Nothing wrong with the 4th down decision to go for it, but just like last week, HATE the playcall. No problem with accepting the penalty to put the Lions out of FG range, Hanson indoors is pretty automatic from 50 and in. I'm not giving the Lions 3 points.[/quote]

I agree. I think Zorn trusts his defense too much. So he gambles and takes risk thinking they are going to have his back. But they fold everytime like Landry..oops I mean laundry.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;597965]You think. But you know. JC is our problem on offense defense & special teams. Once he is gone next year all our problems will be solved.

To be honest on both of those plays the 4TH & 1 and the 3rd & 13 Zorn trusted his defense. I think he needs to stop trusting them and trust his offense. Well he can't trust them either because we can't get one yeard when we need it. This is a ball of hot mess!!![/quote]

It was 3rd down and we moved the Lions back to make it 3rd and 23. Stafford ran for the 1st down. That falls on the defense. Stafford is not Mike Vick.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;597669]To that point the Redskins Head Coach allowed that TD to, happen first by going for it on 4th down and second by not taking the stop on third down and accepting the offensive pass interference call. I know that hind sight is 20/20 but why not play good smart football. That is a head coach with a real risk taker philosophy.

Oh and to the Jim Zorn playcalling and being a risk taker. So far to this at this point Jason called two touchdown drives both in hurry up mode. Jim Zorn = 1 and Danny Smith =1. What is wrong with that picture?

The Defense played bad. The offense continues to play bad. We are in for a lonnnngggg season. Also Peter King said someone inside the organization said Jim Zorn won't be fired. Reasoning: JZ is the Qb coach, the OC, and the HC. Maybe next time the dude shouldnt have so many jobs.[/quote]I don't think any coach should ever pass up a 4th and 1 at the 1. Ever. One way or another, you're basically giving away points. Either you don't let them out of the shadow of their own goal, or you get 7. Never, ever take the three if you are within power running distance of the goal line.

The other call, you could argue that too much could go wrong to pass up the fourth down, but I'd generally say that the proper coaching move is to have faith in the defense. Move them out of field goal range, and give the D your backing.

Of course, I'm not sure these guys deserve his backing.

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[quote=Ruhskins;597975]If you are talking about Rogers, when this happened I said to myself..."Isn't this guy playing for a new contract or free agency??" Apprently he's not.[/quote]Absolutely Rogers. What the hell was that? He's in great position and could probably make a pick, but his hands are suspect as usual. Great athlete, positions himself well in coverage, but can't make plays.

If we could morph (the good parts) of him and D. Hall, we'd have a true shutdown corner. As it is we've got one guy who can cover and is physical, but may as well be playing with boxing gloves on. And another guy who's as soft as cotton, but if he's in postion, will normally make a play on the ball (if he doesn't trip over his own feet in the end-zone).

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;597974]- Jim Zorn didn't call a Cover-2 Man with the safeties 20 yds. deep on the Stafford run.
- Jim Zorn didn't get out of his rush lane to leave a hole for Stafford.
- Jim Zorn didn't jump offsides twice in the drive.
- Jim Zorn doesn't wear # 27 and can't read and make a break on a 20 yd out route.
- Jim Zorn didn't make a completely AWFUL play on the TD pass.
- Jim Zorn isn't calling a vanilla D that let's the OL open holes and then get 5 yds downfield to the second level on the LBs earlier in the drive.

Nothing wrong with the 4th down decision to go for it, but just like last week, HATE the playcall. No problem with accepting the penalty to put the Lions out of FG range, Hanson indoors is pretty automatic from 50 and in. I'm not giving the Lions 3 points.[/quote]

you hate the play call on 4th and 1? We had a goal line package in and we could not blow the Lions off the ball. Just like the Rams. Our O-Line = Marshmellows.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;597988]Absolutely Rogers. What the hell was that? He's in great position and could probably make a pick, but his hands are suspect as usual. Great athlete, positions himself well in coverage, but can't make plays.

If we could morph (the good parts) of him and D. Hall, we'd have a true shutdown corner. As it is we've got one guy who can cover and is physical, but may as well be playing with boxing gloves on. And another guy who's as soft as cotton, but if he's in postion, will normally make a play on the ball (if he doesn't trip over his own feet in the end-zone).[/quote]Rogers has always struggled with the biggest, most physical of wide receivers, but Bryant Johnson now qualifies? Really?

Something has to be wrong with him. He's just not winning his jams at the line of scrimmage and even when he's running step for step down the field he's not in good position. He's not right.

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Both Rogers and Hall have played poorly thus far. But so has our entire Defensive Unit. Greg Blache should give his pay check back this week. Hell the entire team should donate their checks to charity this week. Blache has been provided with a good defensive players and we still cant' force turnovers or score points.

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Greg Blache better start calling for a more attacking style defense because we have become Victims this season on defense. Other teams smell blood and we are bleeding right now. Blache's Head is on a Stick and he better get this fixed fast.

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[quote=skins89moss;597990]you hate the play call on 4th and 1? We had a goal line package in and we could not blow the Lions off the ball. Just like the Rams. Our O-Line = Marshmellows.[/quote]It's not the OL's fault. It's the same problem as last week. On the GL last week we ran a Stretch play that got blown up. This week we run G pull with Zone blocking. Problem is this, both plays require a LATERAL step by the OL, not straight ahead. The D is coming, full go, straight ahead, the OL is stepping laterally, the laws of physics apply...OL gets pushed backwards.

As I said last week, SIMPLIFY, SIMPLIFY, SIMPLIFY. Line up in a GL set, overloaded to the right, I backfield. The D either plays straight and you have one-on-one mathcups with your strength on the left side of the OL with Samuels & Dock, and a 280lb, Pro Bowl FB leading the way. Or the D cheats to our left and we have numbers on the right and pound it in that way. Simple call to make at the line by JC. This way the OL is firing straight out and if we can't get a yard, that's on the players, not the coach.

Trust me, the OL wasn't out flipping tires all summer to finese block. They hate that crap. They want to line up and knock the snot out of someone. You gotta be the hammer, not the nail.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;598004]It's not the OL's fault. It's the same problem as last week. On the GL last week we ran a Stretch play that got blown up. This week we run G pull with Zone blocking. Problem is this, both plays require a LATERAL step by the OL, not straight ahead. The D is coming, full go, straight ahead, the OL is stepping laterally, the laws of physics apply...OL gets pushed backwards.

As I said last week, SIMPLIFY, SIMPLIFY, SIMPLIFY. Line up in a GL set, overloaded to the right, I backfield. The D either plays straight and you have one-on-one mathcups with your strength on the left side of the OL with Samuels & Dock, and a 280lb, Pro Bowl FB leading the way. Or the D cheats to our left and we have numbers on the right and pound it in that way. Simple call to make at the line by JC. This way the OL is firing straight out and if we can't get a yard, that's on the players, not the coach.[/quote]

Or a naked bootleg...Campbell would have walked into the endzone.

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[quote=Ruhskins;598006]Or a naked bootleg...Campbell would have walked into the endzone.[/quote]Absolutely. Also, PA to the left and TE delay back to the right. This is basic stuff. One thing I think is pretty apparent, the Zone Blocking isn't working. We're not built that way, Portis isn't the same 205 lb, lightning quick back he was in Denver, he's bulked up and is a between the tackles & off-tackle guy right now.

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[quote=Ruhskins;598006]Or a naked bootleg...Campbell would have walked into the endzone.[/quote]Was working earlier, so I'm a little slow on the uptake, can I still be part of the avatar mutiny with my avatar as it is? :)

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[quote=Ruhskins;598006]Or a naked bootleg...Campbell would have walked into the endzone.[/quote]

I was calling for this also.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;598011]Was working earlier, so I'm a little slow on the uptake, can I still be part of the avatar mutiny with my avatar as it is? :)[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing but I didn't want to take #21 down :(