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You would think that Walker would be too expensive but it would be cool if we could nab him.

What the heck is going on in Buffalo? OC cut one week, starting LT cut the next, all on the season's eve.

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[quote=Lotus;585822]You would think that Walker would be too expensive but it would be cool if we could nab him.

[B]What the heck is going on in Buffalo? OC cut one week, starting LT cut the next, all on the season's eve.[/B][/quote]

And people here are all up in arms about us not carrying a 3rd QB or letting an undrafted rookie DT let go.

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I heard from Mark Sckelereath, that Walker gave the word journey man a bad name.

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I started a similar thread in April of last year: [url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/23389-the-offensive-line-lets-review.html[/url]

As a recap, at that time, our line and depth was as follows:
Starters: Jansen, Thomas, Rabach, Kendall, Samuels
Backups: Heyer, Todd Wade, Jason Fabini, OL Justin Geisinger, G/T Chad Rhinehardt, T Devin Clark

There were some other names but they disappeared. Pre-2008, I said we would need to replace at least two starters in the next year or two. It appears it will be more like 4 - Heyer for Jansen, Rhinehardt for Thomas, Montgomery for Rabach, Dockery for Kendall, Samuels.

It seems to me, that none of the replacements or projected replacements actually constitutes a real upgrade over the guy they replaced. Rather, more of a stopgap or "we got nobody better". Further, other than Heyer and Rhinehart, we didn't havent developed anyone in years and last year's projected depth couldn't make it through preseason this year (<ahem> Devin Clark).

I am hopeful that the master plan has a short terrm plan for upgrades, but right now it appears we are doomed to a mediocre line for the next several years.

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If the line holds up, I'll credit Buges with making shine-olla out of . . . .

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Heyer is an upgrade over Jansen.
Dockery is an upgrade over Kendall
Rienhart is a much better player that has shown he can start for Thomas
Thomas is much healthier, than he has been in a while.
Mike Williams still has a ways to go, but I think he will be a great back up for us.
Montgomery looks like a big improvement over Giesinger.
ED Williams looks like he would be a better option this year then Rienhart was last year.
Batiste looks like they just got very confused, I would rather have Fabini, or Brigdes.

All, in all, I think we are much improved.

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Eight-year veteran offensive tackle Langston Walker just got released by Buffallo....

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Cardinals released OL Elton Brown and sigened Jeremy Bridges!!!! What was the FO thinking.....

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[quote=ChickenMonkey;585888]Cardinals released OL Elton Brown and sigened Jeremy Bridges!!!! What was the FO thinking.....[/quote]

I think the FO was thinking this:
1) Bridges is a fine guard but struggled as a tackle and we need a tackle
2) what Bridges would give us is only marginally better than what we would get from our younger guys and we need to give the younger guys playing time

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[quote=T.O.Killa;585868]Heyer is an upgrade over Jansen.
Dockery is an upgrade over Kendall
Rienhart is a much better player that has shown he can start for Thomas
Thomas is much healthier, than he has been in a while.
Mike Williams still has a ways to go, but I think he will be a great back up for us.
Montgomery looks like a big improvement over Giesinger.
ED Williams looks like he would be a better option this year then Rienhart was last year.
Batiste looks like they just got very confused, I would rather have Fabini, or Brigdes.

All, in all, I think we are much improved.[/quote]

Is Heyer an improvement over Jansen in his prime? Maybe, the jury is out on that one. As for Rhinehart, Thomas in his prime was a damn good guard - maybe Rhinehart will be as good as Thomas and that would be fine. Montgomery seems to me to be about the same as Rabach - maybe. Again, Kendall was a damn good guard for us, Dockery may be as good but I don't think he is an upgrade except that he is younger.

Obviously, these guys are upgrades over the players on the wrong side of 30, but are they as good as the guys they are replacing when those guys were playing well? At his best Jansen was borderline pro-bowl, same for Thomas - I just don't see that in the future of either Heyer, Rhinehart or Dockery. As for the back up depth, I see your point. I think this year's backup's are an upgrade over last year's, but, really, is that saying very much?

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[quote=Lotus;585908]I think the FO was thinking this:
1) Bridges is a fine guard but struggled as a tackle and we need a tackle
2) what Bridges would give us is only marginally better than what we would get from our younger guys and we need to give the younger guys playing time[/quote]

I think that is spot on.

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[quote=Lotus;585908]I think the FO was thinking this:
1) Bridges is a fine guard but struggled as a tackle and we need a tackle
2) what Bridges would give us is only marginally better than what we would get from our younger guys and we need to give the younger guys playing time[/quote]

Im just wondering how many sack does that equate to? Bridges has been a starter and seen live bullets, the only BU we have with experience at tackle is 4yrs from playing a snap!!!!Young is all good but, experience is priceless...

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[quote=JoeRedskin;585912]Is Heyer an improvement over Jansen in his prime? Maybe, the jury is out on that one. As for Rhinehart, Thomas in his prime was a damn good guard - maybe Rhinehart will be as good as Thomas and that would be fine. Montgomery seems to me to be about the same as Rabach - maybe. Again, Kendall was a damn good guard for us, Dockery may be as good but I don't think he is an upgrade except that he is younger.

Obviously, these guys are upgrades over the players on the wrong side of 30, but are they as good as the guys they are replacing when those guys were playing well? At his best Jansen was borderline pro-bowl, same for Thomas - I just don't see that in the future of either Heyer, Rhinehart or Dockery. As for the back up depth, I see your point. I think this year's backup's are an upgrade over last year's, but, really, is that saying very much?[/quote]
I was strictly speaking of last year. Jansen was a beast before he tore his Achilles tendon.

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[quote=ChickenMonkey;585923]Im just wondering how many sack does that equate to? Bridges has been a starter and seen live bullets, the only BU we have with experience at tackle is 4yrs from playing a snap!!!!Young is all good but, experience is priceless...[/quote]

Well, you are correct. We will witness the young bucks making mistakes for sure. But that is how they grow up. Otherwise we are an old and fragile OL like the Cowboys. The Cowboys have 5 geriatrics and nothing behind them on the OL. At least we have some promising young bucks.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;585795]Well I have another name for anyone in who could say yay/nay. Bills just released [URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=WAL257548"]Langston Walker[/URL]. Money is always an issue, but if Dockery puts in a good word, who knows, he certainly seems to have some influence.[/quote]

He looked awful when i saw them on NFL Network against the Lions. Please he is garbage.

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[quote=ChickenMonkey;585888]Cardinals released OL Elton Brown and sigened Jeremy Bridges!!!! What was the FO thinking.....[/quote]

The Cards looked terrible in preseason and they went 9-7 last seaason. This team is not going to make the playoffs this year. Well I guess Elton Brown is not as good as Bridges. Didn't Elton Brown go to UVA?

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[quote=skins89moss;585939]He looked awful when i saw them on NFL Network against the Lions. Please he is garbage.[/quote]
Yeah, people were all over me saying we should sign Brohm, because he was cut. They only kept two QBs and had another good young QB. This guy got cut from the worst Oline in football

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They moved Walker to LT after they lost Peters. He's a much better RT.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;585941]Yeah, people were all over me saying we should sign Brohm, because he was cut. They only kept two QBs and had another good young QB. This guy got cut from the worst Oline in football[/quote]

Not the same situation as Brohm at all.

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[quote=Lotus;585945]They moved Walker to LT after they lost Peters. He's a much better RT.[/quote]

We have Heyer there now, and Big Mike backing him up. Damn we could have the Bills entire line if we sign Langston Walker. Is that good? LOL. He better take the Vet minimum then.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;585868]Heyer is an upgrade over Jansen.
Dockery is an upgrade over Kendall
Rienhart is a much better player that has shown he can start for Thomas
Thomas is much healthier, than he has been in a while.
Mike Williams still has a ways to go, but I think he will be a great back up for us.
Montgomery looks like a big improvement over Giesinger.
ED Williams looks like he would be a better option this year then Rienhart was last year.
Batiste looks like they just got very confused, I would rather have Fabini, or Brigdes.

All, in all, I think we are much improved.[/quote]

All good points but only the first two really translate into improvement this season, and that assumes Heyer stays healthy for a season (something he hasn't done) and becomes a more effective run-blocker. But yeah clearly Dock is an upgrade over Kendall.

I just keep coming back to the thought only RG is a position we can afford to substitute at this point, and even then a healthy Thomas is superior to the kid Rinehart. Injury anywhere else on the line really puts us in a tough, tough position and I can't help hating it.

The other oline issue that bothers me now is how much cap room we "blew" cutting Jansen. I mean at this point Jansen is better than Williams. So start Heyer as Zorn wishes and keep JJ as a backup (Williams to practice squad?), then at least we've got the cap room to do something if there's a major injury. Today we've got almost no wiggle room...ugh :(

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Well, 2 million is really all the cap room you need to take into a season. That basically can translate into a 5million 3 year deal. I don't really think Jansen would have beat M Williams. I know there is a lot of doubt, but he is a major rush blocker, and Jansen suffered from the speed rush as well. all told, the season is finally here, and the optimistic we will see's hopefully become that's what we were talking abouts!

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OT William Robinson from Seattle was added to PS.

From his pre-draft(2008) buzz
[QUOTE]NFL | W. Robinson works out at Pro Day
Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:51:17 -0700

Gil Brandt, of NFL.com, reports San Diego State OT William Robinson worked out at his school's Pro Day Saturday, March 8. Robinson had a 26-inch vertical jump, a nine-foot, two-inch long jump, a 4.69-second short shuttle and a 7.32-second cone drill. He measured in at 6-foot-5 1/8 and 292 pounds. [/QUOTE]

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He was placed on IR by the Seahawks last year, and didn't make their team or PS this year.

Not much hope in that one for me.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;589801]He was placed on IR by the Seahawks last year, and didn't make their team or PS this year.

Not much hope in that one for me.[/quote]

Who are you kidding?

I know you're hoping he's activated and struggles in pass protection just so you can start a thread titled "Danger: Will Robinson...Lost in Space"