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[quote=Lotus;582236]I don't see a snowball's chance in hell of cutting Betts.

It is possible that we keep 4 rb's and cut Rock, but that does not seem likely.[/quote]
Lotus, I defer to your level head over my hot head, but at what point do we get rid of career proven back ups that are over their prime? The young kids have fresh legs that might surprise...

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[quote=Redskin Jim;582246]Lotus, I defer to your level head over my hot head, [B]but at what point do we get rid of career proven back ups that are over their prime? The young kids have fresh legs that might surprise..[/B].[/quote]

Agree 100% we need backups to push the starters.

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[quote=Redskin Jim;582246]Lotus, I defer to your level head over my hot head, but at what point do we get rid of career proven back ups that are over their prime? The young kids have fresh legs that might surprise...[/quote]

I think that keeping 3 backs, none of them named Rock, is a real possibility. Does that make you feel better?

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[quote=Redskin Jim;582246]Lotus, I defer to your level head over my hot head, but at what point do we get rid of career proven back ups that are over their prime? The young kids have fresh legs that might surprise...[/quote]

At the point where one of them can replace his Special teams play. He may be a "career backup" on offense but on Teams he is one of our studs.

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Mason fans aren't going to like this:

[QUOTE]Which made special teams coordinator Danny Smith's comments on Mason at least slightly worrisome for the (fairly large) contingent of fans rooting for Mason to make the roster this time around. "I love Marcus Mason," Smith said, by way of introduction.

Good start, but Smith continued, "Marcus Mason has never played in an NFL football game, and he's been on three teams. Let's not name him MVP today. Okay? He's never played in an NFL football game. He's been on three teams! It ain't all about does he gotta make a tackle on special teams. And the kid has never played special teams, and he's never played in a real game."

This is not to say that Smith had no compliments for Mason; those came later. "He has improved from when we had him before," Smith explained, "on special teams, he really has. He's done a good job there. Now he's gotta start making plays. He's in position to make plays, and that's the first step. Now he's gotta start making those plays. And when he starts making those plays, we'll consider him for one of those core positions. And I think he has a chance to do that."

So a word to Mason Nation: rushing yards are fantastic, but it sounds like the thing to keep an eye on in Jacksonville is what your guy does on special teams.
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[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2009/08/30/sunday-august-30-five-players-released/#continued]Sunday, August 30 - Five Players Released[/url]

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Given the shoddy play of some of the spec. teams units, I don't see Rock going anywhere. The coaches have praised his leadership & will a lot of new faces on those units, they'll need it even more.

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Would anyone take a chance on Dexter Jackson? I wouldn't necessarily, but curious if anyone else here would?

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[quote=SmootSmack;582336]Would anyone take a chance on Dexter Jackson? I wouldn't necessarily, but curious if anyone else here would?[/quote]

No...we have some options at WR that could be pretty decent. No need to bring a guy in who's never caught a ball.

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I think we tried the Dexter Jackson experiment once before... his name was Cliff Russell. They sound pretty similar -- fast as lightning but stone hands. He was also apparently afraid of being hit:

"Almost from the beginning, however, Jackson appeared scared on the field, often cowering in the face of oncoming tacklers." [url=http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/aug/31/311019/bucs-cut-dexter-jackson-reach-75-man-roster-limit/]Bucs cut Dexter Jackson, last year's 2nd-round pick[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;582336]Would anyone take a chance on Dexter Jackson? I wouldn't necessarily, but curious if anyone else here would?[/quote]

He's tempting as a returner but, in the end, likely not worth a roster spot.

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[quote=Ruhskins;582233]That's what she said. Zing![/quote]

:rofl:

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This isn't a Redskins roster cut, it's not even a roster cut. But how about the Chiefs firing Chan Gailey? They haven't even played a regular season game yet and already they've sent their offensive coordinator packing?

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[quote=SmootSmack;582474]This isn't a Redskins roster cut, it's not even a roster cut. But how about the Chiefs firing Chan Gailey? They haven't even played a regular season game yet and already they've sent their offensive coordinator packing?[/quote]

I heard about that and was just kind of like WTF? I mean, why let the guy have (keep) the job in the first place if you're going to relieve him in the preseason?

From all accounts, Todd Hailey is an asshole*, so maybe it was his plan from the beginning to show the team that no one is safe (purely speculative). Kind of like putting Dwayne Bowe on the third team. I don't know, just seems odd to me.

*source: Sirius NFL Radio

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[quote=SmootSmack;582474]This isn't a Redskins roster cut, it's not even a roster cut. But how about the Chiefs firing Chan Gailey? They haven't even played a regular season game yet and already they've sent their offensive coordinator packing?[/quote]

Can we bring him in??? Maybe he can get our offense going!

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[quote=freddyg12;582285]Given the shoddy play of some of the spec. teams units, I don't see Rock going anywhere. The coaches have praised his leadership & will a lot of new faces on those units, they'll need it even more.[/quote]


What is everyones fascination with Rock? Ok, he's a decent KR. Wow. The problem lies with the special teams scheme. It's sucked for the last 4-5 yrs. So what your saying is if we cut Rock, special teams would fall apart cause of his leadership. Like the Skins don't have any other leaders on the team. Moss, Portis, JC, Samuels, (OL) Thomas, Fletcher, Hall, Smoot, Rogers. Just to name a few or am I incorrect?

but....if this is the case then I guess we can't affored to lose Rock. God forbid the team can't break even cause we let him go.

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No need for Dexter Jackson, our WR's are starting to come around and with Marko Mitchell in the mix there's just no room.

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[quote=SmootSmack;582474]This isn't a Redskins roster cut, it's not even a roster cut. But how about the Chiefs firing Chan Gailey? They haven't even played a regular season game yet and already they've sent their offensive coordinator packing?[/quote]

Yeah, that's kind of nuts. You'd think that there was some deep philosophical difference between the two for this to happen. But, then again, you'd think that they would have uncovered this difference in the hiring process and gailey would never have had the job to begin with.

The AFC West keeps getting more and more nutty.

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[quote=Lotus;582535]you'd think that they would have uncovered this difference in the hiring process and gailey would never have had the job to begin with.[/quote]

Gailey was a holdover from the old regime.

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[quote=SBXVII;582501]What is everyones fascination with Rock? Ok, he's a decent KR. Wow. The problem lies with the special teams scheme. It's sucked for the last 4-5 yrs. So what your saying is if we cut Rock, special teams would fall apart cause of his leadership. Like the Skins don't have any other leaders on the team. Moss, Portis, JC, Samuels, (OL) Thomas, Fletcher, Hall, Smoot, Rogers. Just to name a few or am I incorrect?

but....if this is the case then I guess we can't affored to lose Rock. God forbid the team can't break even cause we let him go.[/quote]

Cartwright is a leader on Special Teams, the leadership guys listed don't play special teams. It's different taking advice and trying to motivate somebody who's not in the same trenches that you are. Like Jason Campbell versus London Fletcher telling Brian Orakpo to get a sack. It resonates more if it's somebody that's next to you, that you spend more time with, and who understands what you're supposed to do and can explain it to you when you mess up.

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[quote=an23dy;582539]Cartwright is a leader on Special Teams, the leadership guys listed don't play special teams. It's different taking advice and trying to motivate somebody who's not in the same trenches that you are. Like Jason Campbell versus London Fletcher telling Brian Orakpo to get a sack. It resonates more if it's somebody that's next to you, that you spend more time with, and who understands what you're supposed to do and can explain it to you when you mess up.[/quote]

I guess you could be right. I guess if the special teams blocking on kick offs and punts are as bad as they are now I guess it could be worse if Rock was not there to motivate them to do their jobs they are getting paid to do. I guess out of 60 minutes of actual playing Rocks leadership skills on special teams is pretty important due to the amount of time they are on the field.

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How does anyone really know if Rock is a "leader" ?? Don't you sort of have to be on the team to know something like that?

Not saying Rock should be cut, but as fans we tend to throw this "leader" term around quite a bit, and I don't know how it can be substantiated.

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[quote=Beemnseven;582605][B]How does anyone really know if Rock is a "leader"[/B] ?? Don't you sort of have to be on the team to know something like that?

Not saying Rock should be cut, but as fans we tend to throw this "leader" term around quite a bit, [B]and I don't know how it can be substantiated[/B].

[/quote]

Well I don't think his coach's and teammates are in the business of throwing around words like "team leader" if they are not legit. Other than that and the obvious what you see on the field and the side lines, what more proof would you really need?

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;582611]Well I don't think his coach's and teammates are in the business of throwing around words like "team leader" if they are not legit. Other than that and the obvious what you see on the field and the side lines, what more proof would you really need?[/quote]

If it comes from what the coaches and teammates say, fine. I can't say that I've read that anywhere. I still think the term is a bit hokey. This team has been full of "leaders" for years, with as often as I hear it. Doesn't seem to help us escape from mediocrity though.

I'm not sure what's so obvious about him, really. Again, I'm not saying cut him or anything. He's just been one of those guys who's solid, but nothing really special.

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Well, Cartwright was voted special teams captain wasn't he? So that must count for something.

Plus...this is what team leaders do

'You'll see him talking to young guys over the course of practice because he knows how we do it,' Smith said. 'It's one thing for me to teach it and coach it, but when you have guys like Rock that help you help the young guys understand, then you become a better team'

[url=http://www.topix.net/content/wapo/2009/08/redskins-cartwright-carries-on]Redskins' Cartwright Carries On[/url]

And there's this

"We're real happy we were able to get this done," said Vinny Cerrato, the Redskins' executive vice president of football operations. "It made total sense because Rock is an outstanding special teams player, and he's also one of our leaders in the locker room. Rock does a lot of things for our team on and off the field, so he was definitely someone we wanted back."

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/07/AR2008030702952.html]Redskins, Cartwright Agree To a Three-Year Contract - washingtonpost.com[/url]

It seems like some people who are pushing for Mason (and I am pushing for Mason), are doing it as much because they just want to get rid of Rock. Not sure why we have to hate on Rock. He's made quite a nice career for himself being a 7th round pick. Maybe he's not the next Barry Sanders, but he's contributed quite well to the team in his role. His days are probably numbered, but he still has some left in the tank and has offered a lot.

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As far as "leadership" goes, I'll just repeat what I said earlier... This team has been full of "leaders" for years, with as often as I hear it. Doesn't seem to help us escape from mediocrity though.

Again, don't take this as 'hate' for Cartwright. He belongs on this team. I just don't think he gives us much of a chance to take us to the next level. He's a fine, solid player. That's all.

I'm with you on Marcus Mason. He made more of a case to be on the final roster last year. This year I'm not getting all the hype.

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[B]Plus...this is what team leaders do

'You'll see him talking to young guys over the course of practice because he knows how we do it,' Smith said. 'It's one thing for me to teach it and coach it, but when you have guys like Rock that help you help the young guys understand, then you become a better team'
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Um, what exactly do the coach's get paid to do? I'll be the first to say we need the vets to help coach up the rookies or young guys. Especially when it comes to offense/defense, but were talking special teams. On KR's it's block someone. On Kick offs its stay in your lane. All Rock has to do is decide if he's going to catch it or let it head toward the endzone. If he decides to catch it run like hell. I guess there is a lot to learn there.

[B]Again, don't take this as 'hate' for Cartwright. He belongs on this team. I just don't think he gives us much of a chance to take us to the next level. He's a fine, solid player. That's all.
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I too feel he is at the top of his game right now. That's not saying much. Yes he's a good KR and constantly will get the team to the 30 yrd line but don't look for the home run. He has done it in the past but it has only been like 3 times in his 7 yrs with the team. He's not a threat as a KR. Now we could talk about the blocking for KR's. If the scheme was better he might get farther then the 30 yrd line, but who knows. As far as RB goes, Rock should be listening to Betts and Portis for advise not giving it to Rookies.

[B]I'm with you on Marcus Mason. He made more of a case to be on the final roster last year. This year I'm not getting all the hype. [/B]

I'm confused. Everyone said last yr that he was a good runner but not elite. He would not make the team. He could not KR or pass block. He got all his yrds against second stringers. This yr he has shown he has worked on some of the issues. The coach even said he getting better at pass blocking but has more to learn. Last yr they tried him out as a KR. I don't think they have even given him a chance at KR this yr. With Alridge, Dorsey, Cartwright, and them seeing what Thomas has to offer no one knows if Mason has improved in his KR skills or not. Maybe the last game we'll see him doing this but they have not given him the chance this yr.

Funny everyone said Mason would not make the team. Again he has had a good showing, almost better then Betts, people finally see what he has to offer running with the first team offense and get all excited. He's been the talk of the boards a long with Mitchell and Daniels and 3-4 days later people are ready to cut him again. Betts and Rock have reached their peak as RB's. Their almost 30yrs old. I like them, I thank them for what they have done, but I feel it's time to move on and get younger for the future. Like someone else said...we have 3 RB's all the same age almost 30y/o. No one is being groomed for 5yrs from now or 7yrs from now. Are we going to wait until all three deteriorate and draft a RB in hopes he will be the man? Pick up someone elses cast off cause he's worn down? or are we going to find someone like Mason who we can groom for the future? I like Mason cause he's here now. No one else is. Find someone else who is young with talent and I'll be on their bandwagon too.

My picks for the future:
Portis
Mason
Alridge
Dorsey on practice squad.

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Are we down to 75 players on the roster now?

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;582692]Are we down to 75 players on the roster now?[/quote]

Yup.

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[quote=Beemnseven;582657]As far as "leadership" goes, I'll just repeat what I said earlier... [B]This team has been full of "leaders" for years[/B], with as often as I hear it. Doesn't seem to help us escape from mediocrity though.

Again, don't take this as 'hate' for Cartwright. He belongs on this team. I just don't think he gives us much of a chance to take us to the next level. He's a fine, solid player. That's all.

I'm with you on Marcus Mason. He made more of a case to be on the final roster last year. This year I'm not getting all the hype.[/quote]

Have yall noticed that the warpath is full of leaders (no " necessary) for years? Guys that are willing to jump out there and start a new thread, regardless of how many times the topic has been discussed, or if there's a near identical one right below the one they just posted. :)

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Just listened to a podcast of the Jim Zorn Show, heard on ESPN 980. As to the final roster, Zorn says 10-12 spots are open, mainly among backup O-linemen, D-line, LBs, and receivers. In addition, he said that the running back situation is "cloudy". Says that some of the guys who are cut probably will play somewhere in the league, but just weren't part of their plans.

Now, take this for what it's worth, but one of the beat reporters who covers the Redskins for the station, Frank Hanrahan, said that Rock Cartwright could very well be a surprise cut. In part because he's been openly critical over his pay, and that he's starting to rub some of the coaches the wrong way. One reporter's conjecture, I know. But it does lead into Zorn's comments about the RB spots being "cloudy."

Personally, I haven't seen enough from Mason, Aldridge or Dorsey that makes me think either of them have supplanted Rock Cartwright. But think of it this way: What kind of message would it send to the players when a six-year veteran, a "locker room leader" gets kicked to the curb? To me, it would send a message that no one is safe, that they all had best be on their game. We'll find out on Saturday.

You can listen to the interview [URL="http://www.stationcaster.com/player.php?s=65&c=428&f=32829"]here.[/URL]

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If the RB position is "cloudy," that could only mean Rock is in potential trouble.

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Not that I think it will happen, but just out of curiousity, how much of a cap hit would we take if we cut Betts?

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[quote=Beemnseven;582951]Just listened to a podcast of the Jim Zorn Show, heard on ESPN 980. As to the final roster, Zorn says 10-12 spots are open, mainly among backup O-linemen, D-line, LBs, and receivers. In addition, he said that the running back situation is "cloudy". Says that some of the guys who are cut probably will play somewhere in the league, but just weren't part of their plans.

Now, take this for what it's worth, but one of the beat reporters who covers the Redskins for the station, Frank Hanrahan, said that Rock Cartwright could very well be a surprise cut. In part because he's been openly critical over his pay, and that he's starting to rub some of the coaches the wrong way. One reporter's conjecture, I know. But it does lead into Zorn's comments about the RB spots being "cloudy."

Personally, I haven't seen enough from Mason, Aldridge or Dorsey that makes me think either of them have supplanted Rock Cartwright. But think of it this way: What kind of message would it send to the players when a six-year veteran, a "locker room leader" gets kicked to the curb? To me, it would send a message that no one is safe, that they all had best be on their game. We'll find out on Saturday.

You can listen to the interview [URL="http://www.stationcaster.com/player.php?s=65&c=428&f=32829"]here.[/URL][/quote]

Alridge is crazy fast, but just can't stay healthy on a consistent basis. So I'd probably give the nod to Dorsey over Rock.

Wouldn't be surpised to see Rock get cut. I think his groin injury is worse than is being let on.

I'll tell you another possibility, a long-shot but a real possibility. And this won't be a popular one...Mike Sellers.

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[quote=SmootSmack;582966]I'll tell you another possibility, a long-shot but a real possibility. And this won't be a popular one...Mike Sellers.[/quote]


Huh????????????? Is the contract thing getting ugly or something?

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[quote=wilsowilso;582969]Huh????????????? Is the contract thing getting ugly or something?[/quote]

It's been kind of ugly for a while. But look, I think he makes the roster but wouldn't be surprised if he's a last one in type of guy.

Much more likely that Mason and/or Rock gets cut.

Alridge vs. Dorsey will be really interesting. I doubt they both make it. In my opinion, AA is the far superior one but DD is the more dependable.

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The way Griff tweaks his back every so often and Haynesworth isn't the most durable guy in the world, I'm betting both Monty and Ceddy make the team. If anything, Wynn is on the bubble. Not that he was that secure to begin with.

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Rock is a good kr. But there's better out there I'm shocked he's still on the roster.

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[quote=SmootSmack;582966]Alridge is crazy fast, but just can't stay healthy on a consistent basis. So I'd probably give the nod to Dorsey over Rock.

Wouldn't be surpised to see Rock get cut. I think his groin injury is worse than is being let on.
[B]
I'll tell you another possibility, a long-shot but a real possibility. And this won't be a popular one...Mike Sellers.[/B][/quote]

You're right, definitely not popular.

If we had another option at FB that was anywhere close to Caveman, I'd agree with you. But the fact is, without him we've got a 7th round rookie converted TE/HB, and nothing else. I don't see how we can part with Big Mike just yet.

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[quote=Redskins_P;582958]Not that I think it will happen, but just out of curiousity, how much of a cap hit would we take if we cut Betts?[/quote]

$1.975 to keep him, about $2.8 to cut him. Mason is younger and faster and Betts doesn't do anything much better than him. That said, we're not cutting Rock and Betts, and I'd say Rock is more likely to go.