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[quote=skinsfan69;565943]I understand that but mess around with someone that is an adult, someone that has their shit together, not a 20 year old who is waiting tables. It just doesn't make sense. He paid the ultimate price for putting himself in that situation.[/quote]

age doesnt have anything to do with having your shit together,anybody at any age fooling around with a married man probably doesnt have their shit together.Theres not a age limit on crazy

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[quote=htownskinfan;565955]age doesnt have anything to do with having your shit together,anybody at any age fooling around with a married man probably doesnt have their shit together.[B]Theres not a age limit on crazy[/B][/quote]

Trufax.

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RIP Steve, you will be missed! God bless you and your family!

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McNair was a stand up guy. The woman with him was killed also at the apartment complex. I wonder if it was a simple robbery attempt gone bad or a pissed off ex boyfriend.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;565997]McNair was a stand up guy. The woman with him was killed also at the apartment complex. I wonder if it was a simple robbery attempt gone bad or a pissed off ex boyfriend.[/quote]

Saw the Myspace pic to huh?

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I think it's pretty clear she killed him and then killed herself. If it turns out to be anything different I'll be surprised.

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[quote=Mattyk72;566009]I think it's pretty clear she killed him and then killed herself. If it turns out to be anything different I'll be surprised.[/quote]

No sign of forced entry. McNair shot 4 times, the woman shot once in the head. The gun found under her body. I think they're just checking all the angles before declaring it.

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[quote=SmootSmack;565945]The Titans being my second favorite team, I've been a big McNair fan for a while now. One of my favorite players ever was when he kept his balance scrambling out of the pocket on the final drive against the Rams to keep the drive going for a chance to win the Super Bowl. This is really a shame for everyone involved. Just goes to show we have no idea what goes in these people's lives off the field.[/quote]

He was always one of my favorite players too. The term 'tough guy' gets tossed around too easily but it really did apply to him. I remember being won over by his SB performance too.

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Is it just me or is she really not that great looking, espically for all this crap.

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[quote=mredskins;566021]Is it just me or is she really not that great looking, espically for all this crap.[/quote]

Maybe it is just a bad picture of her.

Matty and 53Fan are spot on with their comments above. McNair paid a heavy price for hooking up with that lady.

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This is an absolute tradegy. I remember Steve McNair or Air McNair when he was quarterback for Alcorn St. Howard University and Alcorn State University played in the 1993 Gateway Classic at Busch Stadium St. Louis. It was an unbelievable shootout between Air McNair and Jay Walker of Howard. Howard won by a field goal 38 - 36 with 1:05 remaining. One of the best college football games I ever saw.

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Totally agree with 53 and Matty, this is nothing more than a murder suicide. I'm guessing after that 20 yr old got the DUI on Thursday McNair wanted to break it off because it probably was going to go public and bring him shame, but she still wanted to be with him and that's when she killed him and then herself.

Very sad. I feel for his wife and 4 kids.

RIP

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I don't know the guy from Adam but everyone keeps saying he is such a great guy. Last time I checked cheating on your wife is not a great guy. He may have done a lot for others but he let down the people that meant the most, (or at least should have meant the most) his family.

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[quote=mredskins;566032]I don't know the guy from Adam but everyone keeps saying he is such a great guy. Last time I checked cheating on your wife is not a great guy. He may have done a lot for others but he let down the people that meant the most, (or at least should have meant the most) his family.[/quote]

Just goes to show nobody is perfect.

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Mredskins is correct...at least IMO. INfidelity would seem to dim the light of greatness as a humanitarian. Maybe just...........human

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[quote=Mattyk72;566033]Just goes to show nobody is perfect.[/quote]


I am not saying anyone is perfect espically myself but everyone keeps saying how awesome he is when in fact he has some major sins going on.

What I am really trying to drive at is not so much McNair but more the fact how as a society we tend to have a blind eye to our "heros" sins (not flaws becasue we all have flaws) because they can throw a football.

Who is celebrating the avg. guy/gal who has done a ton of charity work and has been faithful to their family? Nobody or at least not on a public level.

Sometimes I watch Extreme Homes and the people they help on there are just quit simply amazing. The things they have over come is amazing.

Ok rant off...sorry! =)

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[quote=mredskins;566038]I am not saying anyone is perfect espically myself but everyone keeps saying how awesome he is when in fact he has some major sins going on.

What I am really trying to drive at is not so much McNair but more the fact how as a society we tend to have a blind eye to our "heros" sins (not flaws becasue we all have flaws) because they can throw a football.

Who is celebrating the avg. guy/gal who has done a ton of charity work and has been faithful to their family? Nobody or at least not on a public level.

Sometimes I watch Extreme Homes and the people they help on there are just quit simply amazing. The things they have over come is amazing.

Ok rant off...sorry! =)[/quote]

I'm not surprised that he was seeing someone else. It happens all the time and it happens more often when men are in a position of power/fame. Joe Theismann is one of my all time fav Redskins but he cheated on his wife. I don't think any less of him cause I don't care what he does behind closed doors. None of us know what was going on between McNair and his wife. It looks like they were just staying together because of the 4 kids but living seperate lives. And people are saying how awesome he is cause he's dead. That's just what happens. Look at when #21 died? Everyone talked about how he had turned his life around. No need to dwell on negatives when someone tragically dies.

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Even the saints succumbed to temptation on occasion. If the best of us fails, what chance for the rest? We're human and, as such, all fall short of the glory of God. (Let me be clear, I am not offering McNair up for sainthood).

Steve McNair was a good man who did much good work in this world. Through the use of his god given abilities, he set an example of how to do well with the gifts given him at birth. At the same time, he was human and succumbed to human desires that cost him, those he loved, and those around him considerable loss and pain. The betrayal and pain caused by his choices to those he loved, shows that even the best, strongest and toughest among us can have a failing of will or spirit.

This failing, however, does not, and cannot, alter the fact that he gave freely to others and worked to improve the world in which he lived. This failing does not, and should not, change the recognition that he did these good works when it would have been just as easy to live off his riches and care only for a life of luxury.

To me, this failing does not change the example set by his good works. His failing does not, cannot and should not change the need for the rest of us imitate them. Rather, his failing demonstrates only that he was human; a trait we are all doomed to share.

When people like this die as a result of foolish, wrong choices that make some of us say "WTF?", it is important, to me, that the man's good works aren't turned against him by those who seek to promote evil agendas or those who would cry "hypocrite" when otherwise good people demonstrate very human failings. Recognizing what he did with his life - [I]ALL[/I] that he did - we can remember him as a great athelete and a good man who made a bad choice and paid the ultimate price for it.

RIP Steve McNair. Peace be with you and with your family and the family of the young woman.

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Well said JR.

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R.i.p.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;566041]Even the saints succumbed to temptation on occasion. If the best of us fails, what chance for the rest? We're human and, as such, all fall short of the glory of God. (Let me be clear, I am not offering McNair up for sainthood).

Steve McNair was a good man who did much good work in this world. Through the use of his god given abilities, he set an example of how to do well with the gifts given him at birth. At the same time, he was human and succumbed to human desires that cost him, those he loved, and those around him considerable loss and pain. The betrayal and pain caused by his choices to those he loved, shows that even the best, strongest and toughest among us can have a failing of will or spirit.

This failing, however, does not, and cannot, alter the fact that he gave freely to others and worked to improve the world in which he lived. This failing does not, and should not, change the recognition that he did these good works when it would have been just as easy to live off his riches and care only for a life of luxury.

To me, this failing does not change the example set by his good works. His failing does not, cannot and should not change the need for the rest of us imitate them. Rather, his failing demonstrates only that he was human; a trait we are all doomed to share.

When people like this die as a result of foolish, wrong choices that make some of us say "WTF?", it is important, to me, that the man's good works aren't turned against him by those who seek to promote evil agendas or those who would cry "hypocrite" when otherwise good people demonstrate very human failings. Recognizing what he did with his life - [I]ALL[/I] that he did - we can remember him as a great athelete and a good man who made a bad choice and paid the ultimate price for it.

RIP Steve McNair. Peace be with you and with your family and the family of the young woman.[/quote]

This is, without a doubt, one of the best posts I've ever had the pleasure of reading. :food-smil

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[quote=JoeRedskin;566041]Even the saints succumbed to temptation on occasion. If the best of us fails, what chance for the rest? We're human and, as such, all fall short of the glory of God. (Let me be clear, I am not offering McNair up for sainthood).

Steve McNair was a good man who did much good work in this world. Through the use of his god given abilities, he set an example of how to do well with the gifts given him at birth. At the same time, he was human and succumbed to human desires that cost him, those he loved, and those around him considerable loss and pain. The betrayal and pain caused by his choices to those he loved, shows that even the best, strongest and toughest among us can have a failing of will or spirit.

This failing, however, does not, and cannot, alter the fact that he gave freely to others and worked to improve the world in which he lived. This failing does not, and should not, change the recognition that he did these good works when it would have been just as easy to live off his riches and care only for a life of luxury.

To me, this failing does not change the example set by his good works. His failing does not, cannot and should not change the need for the rest of us imitate them. Rather, his failing demonstrates only that he was human; a trait we are all doomed to share.

When people like this die as a result of foolish, wrong choices that make some of us say "WTF?", it is important, to me, that the man's good works aren't turned against him by those who seek to promote evil agendas or those who would cry "hypocrite" when otherwise good people demonstrate very human failings. Recognizing what he did with his life - [I]ALL[/I] that he did - we can remember him as a great athelete and a good man who made a bad choice and paid the ultimate price for it.

RIP Steve McNair. Peace be with you and with your family and the family of the young woman.[/quote]

Good post and amen.

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JR, again well put. I was going to say something profound as you did but thought against it. Thankfully I was tought if I had nothing nice to say....then say nothing at all. It's funny how people will always point out the negatives even when they are obvious instead of looking at the positives. I would bet his family would want everyone to focus on the good things he did in his life vs. focusing on his transgressions.

Some people fail to remember we are all born into sin.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;566041]Even the saints succumbed to temptation on occasion. If the best of us fails, what chance for the rest? We're human and, as such, all fall short of the glory of God. (Let me be clear, I am not offering McNair up for sainthood).

Steve McNair was a good man who did much good work in this world. Through the use of his god given abilities, he set an example of how to do well with the gifts given him at birth. At the same time, he was human and succumbed to human desires that cost him, those he loved, and those around him considerable loss and pain. The betrayal and pain caused by his choices to those he loved, shows that even the best, strongest and toughest among us can have a failing of will or spirit.

This failing, however, does not, and cannot, alter the fact that he gave freely to others and worked to improve the world in which he lived. This failing does not, and should not, change the recognition that he did these good works when it would have been just as easy to live off his riches and care only for a life of luxury.

To me, this failing does not change the example set by his good works. His failing does not, cannot and should not change the need for the rest of us imitate them. Rather, his failing demonstrates only that he was human; a trait we are all doomed to share.

When people like this die as a result of foolish, wrong choices that make some of us say "WTF?", it is important, to me, that the man's good works aren't turned against him by those who seek to promote evil agendas or those who would cry "hypocrite" when otherwise good people demonstrate very human failings. Recognizing what he did with his life - [I]ALL[/I] that he did - we can remember him as a great athelete and a good man who made a bad choice and paid the ultimate price for it.

RIP Steve McNair. Peace be with you and with your family and the family of the young woman.[/quote]

One of the best posts I have seen in awhile. Thank you J.R. and RIP Steve

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My thoughts and prayers are with the family of Steve McNair, a great player that I followed since his college days.

How do we, as a nation, stop all the killing? Judging from all the movies that are being shown on TV, everyone loves violence, and my two boys won't watch a movie unless it has a lot of bloody scenes in it. That's insane.

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[quote=JLee9718;566186]My thoughts and prayers are with the family of Steve McNair, a great player that I followed since his college days.

[B]How do we, as a nation, stop all the killing?[/B] Judging from all the movies that are being shown on TV, everyone loves violence, and my two boys won't watch a movie unless it has a lot of bloody scenes in it. That's insane.[/quote]

Since today is the Dalai Lama's birthday, may I suggest that we begin listening to him?

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I have been out of town and not near a tv or internet or even newspaper. Just heard about McNair and wow I am shocked and saddened. We in the Redskin family unfortunately know what tragedy is. My prayers go out to his family.

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[quote=Lotus;566023]Maybe it is just a bad picture of her.

Matty and 53Fan are spot on with their comments above. McNair paid a heavy price for hooking up with that lady.[/quote]


Unfortunately so. Steve could have had some hot Tenn babes(actual women) or even a Titans cheerleader, but he got caught up with a really young girl, who got in over her head. She looks Lebanese so it may have been a honor killing/suicide.

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I think she was attractive, in a black widow sort of way. Certainly worthy of the attention of a pro athlete based on her looks. I guess some of you are watching to much Entourage either that or your looking at the mug shot from her DUI, which actually isn't half bad.

Heres a better idea of what she looked like:
[url=http://www.examiner.com/x-14795-SLO-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m7d5-Sahel-Kazemi]Sahel Kazemi[/url]

The thing I don't get is why do all these athletes promise these girls the world when they're married with children and how can the girls get swept up in this. Isn't it obvious that the same thing could easily happen to you, assuming he leaves his wife? I guess in a case like that they see the money as a nice fall back position in which case they can find true love later.

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She was attractive, but not like bombshell hot, plus she was 20. She was obviously unstable and looking for an older guy to take care of her. Steve should have known better that he was playing with fire.

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[url=http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/07/06/jeff-fisher-the-steve-mcnair-i-knew-would-want-me-to-say-sorry/]Jeff Fisher: The Steve McNair I Knew Would Want Me to Say 'Sorry' -- NFL FanHouse[/url]

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I was at work when i saw the breaking news that Steve McNair was fatally shot along with a female inside a Nashville condo. My inital thought was it may have been a love triangle. As the story unfolded it does appear that it is a murder suicide. Another tragic murder of a person who still had their whole life ahead of them to be taken away from his family. Based on the details McNair was having affair with this 20 year old for several months and had also met her family. So it appeared that this relationship may have been serious to the female victim/suspect. She told some of her family members that Steve was going to divorce his wife. Well in her mind she must of thought that they had a future together. Well maybe McNair had some second thoughts about leaving his wife and kids to be with her. This is just my opinion what may have happened but sometimes people snap and do things in the heat of the moment which they may regret. Who ever shot McNair 4 times, 2 to the head was very angry and wanted to make sure he was dead. The female had only 1 fatal gunshot wound to the head which may have lead detectives to believe she pulled the trigger after shooting McNair. We don't know what kind of relationship he had with his wife but his kids are the ones who will greatly miss him. It goes to show you that even pro atheles not only have to worry about random gun violence but also domestic violence is just as dangerous. I think a former Carolina Panther RB was shot and killed by his wife several years back. Does anyone recall who he was. I think his name was Fred Lane. My thoughts and prayers go out to the McNair family. May God comfort you.

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R.I.P.Steve

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Does anyone find it strange that his roommate found them (the bodies) but he need someone else to call in the 911 call? I read it I think on CNN, I will try to find that part of the article.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;566327][URL="http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/07/06/jeff-fisher-the-steve-mcnair-i-knew-would-want-me-to-say-sorry/"]Jeff Fisher: The Steve McNair I Knew Would Want Me to Say 'Sorry' -- NFL FanHouse[/URL][/quote]

Man that's tough to watch, great tribute. Fisher is a class act all the way.

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[quote=skins89moss;566386]I was at work when i saw the breaking news that Steve McNair was fatally shot along with a female inside a Nashville condo. My inital thought was it may have been a love triangle. As the story unfolded it does appear that it is a murder suicide. Another tragic murder of a person who still had their whole life ahead of them to be taken away from his family. Based on the details McNair was having affair with this 20 year old for several months and had also met her family. So it appeared that this relationship may have been serious to the female victim/suspect. She told some of her family members that Steve was going to divorce his wife. Well in her mind she must of thought that they had a future together. Well maybe McNair had some second thoughts about leaving his wife and kids to be with her. This is just my opinion what may have happened but sometimes people snap and do things in the heat of the moment which they may regret. Who ever shot McNair 4 times, 2 to the head was very angry and wanted to make sure he was dead. The female had only 1 fatal gunshot wound to the head which may have lead detectives to believe she pulled the trigger after shooting McNair. We don't know what kind of relationship he had with his wife but his kids are the ones who will greatly miss him. It goes to show you that even pro atheles not only have to worry about random gun violence but also domestic violence is just as dangerous. I think a former Carolina Panther RB was shot and killed by his wife several years back. Does anyone recall who he was. I think his name was Fred Lane. My thoughts and prayers go out to the McNair family. May God comfort you.[/quote]
I think it was Fred Lane, but I just feel for his family and his 4 kids. On the field I'll remember him as a guy who pave the way for guys like JC and Vince Young. He was truly the first Black dual threat QB and his toughness was unquestioned. It is sad to see he died a violent death (July 4th no less) over a 20 yr girl he had no business being with. He probably never thought his life was going to end in the hands of a 20 yr old girl.


RIP

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[quote=vallin21;566401]I think it was Fred Lane, but I just feel for his family and his 4 kids. On the field I'll remember him as a guy who pave the way for guys like JC and Vince Young. [B]He was truly the first Black dual threat QB[/B] and his toughness was unquestioned. It is sad to see he died a violent death (July 4th no less) over a 20 yr girl he had no business being with. He probably never thought his life was going to end in the hands of a 20 yr old girl.


RIP[/quote]

Not to take anything away from McNair, but Randall Cunningham might have something to say about that.

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[url=http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9777174/Don%27t-be-so-quick-to-make-McNair-a-hero]Don't be so quick to make McNair a hero - FOX Sports on MSN[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;566441][URL="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9777174/Don%27t-be-so-quick-to-make-McNair-a-hero"]Don't be so quick to make McNair a hero - FOX Sports on MSN[/URL][/quote]

Definately agree with this part.

[I]"Until the police wrap up their investigation, I'm only willing to acknowledge four victims — McNair's four sons.[/I]

[I]I don't know how to classify the adults in this saga — McNair, his wife Mechelle or his 20-year-old girlfriend, Sahel "Jenny" Kazemi. [/I]
[I]
The kids, they're victims of two horrific crimes: 1. the murder of their father; 2. their father's apparent abandonment so that he had time to wine, dine, vacation and shack up with his jump-off."

[/I]McNair definitely didn't deserve to die, we're not in the stone age anymore where we kill people for every little indiscretion. If anything the only just punishment would have been a tarnished image, unfortunately the fact that he was murdered on top of a tarnished image makes this overkill.

Still I'm with the writer on this one, the main victims of this crime are the four children who will never get a chance to see their father again. Of course pro athletes themselves are prone to cheating as one of the major factors in getting in trouble is opportunity (pressure and ability to rationalize are the other two) and being a famous athlete one becomes overwhelmed with oportunity. Later the hormones provide the pressure and the fact that other athletes are doing it provides the rationalization.

Of course the fact remains that a lot of athletes want to have kids but at the same time they don't want to be tied down in a relationship. On top of that a lot of them get married before they're 30 which seems to double the risk of an athlete cheating on a spouse.

If anything the one athlete who has it right is Derick Jeter. The guy knows that he's not ready to seatle down and doesn't pretend to. As a result he's free to conduct himself however he wishes. A-Rod ont he other hand chooses to have kids and ends up finding himself on the front page of the tabloids for hooking up with Madonna.

Anyway I got to go so if I have any other thoughts on this I'll post them later.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;566459]Definately agree with this part.

[I]"Until the police wrap up their investigation, I'm only willing to acknowledge four victims — McNair's four sons.[/I]

[I]I don't know how to classify the adults in this saga — McNair, his wife Mechelle or his 20-year-old girlfriend, Sahel "Jenny" Kazemi. [/I]

[I]The kids, they're victims of two horrific crimes: 1. the murder of their father; 2. their father's apparent abandonment so that he had time to wine, dine, vacation and shack up with his jump-off."[/I]

McNair definitely didn't deserve to die, we're not in the stone age anymore where we kill people for every little indiscretion. If anything the only just punishment would have been a tarnished image, unfortunately the fact that he was murdered on top of a tarnished image makes this overkill.

Still I'm with the writer on this one, the main victims of this crime are the four children who will never get a chance to see their father again. Of course pro athletes themselves are prone to cheating as one of the major factors in getting in trouble is opportunity (pressure and ability to rationalize are the other two) and being a famous athlete one becomes overwhelmed with oportunity. Later the hormones provide the pressure and the fact that other athletes are doing it provides the rationalization.

Of course the fact remains that a lot of athletes want to have kids but at the same time they don't want to be tied down in a relationship. On top of that a lot of them get married before they're 30 which seems to double the risk of an athlete cheating on a spouse.

If anything the one athlete who has it right is Derick Jeter. The guy knows that he's not ready to seatle down and doesn't pretend to. As a result he's free to conduct himself however he wishes. A-Rod ont he other hand chooses to have kids and ends up finding himself on the front page of the tabloids for hooking up with Madonna.

Anyway I got to go so if I have any other thoughts on this I'll post them later.[/quote]

You're correct on Jeter. No need to get married until you're ready.