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For what it's worth, the Cap Sheets include $2.0 million dollars worth of roster bonuses to Jansen that he will not earn. However media reports say that the Skins only owed Jansen $1 million in roster bonus. The $6.0 million in dead cap is not in dispute.

So the difference is a $2.7 million net cap hit if the Cap Sheets are correct, but it's $3.7 million of a hit if the media reports are correct.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;560521][B][/B]I really hope the FO acted with class in talking with him about the release, I certainly don't want to see him become a bitter guy and bash Snyder for the next 5-10 years. I also wonder if (conspiracy alert) ESPN980 was told to make room for him when they released BMitch[/quote]

It sounds like they did it the right way:

[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Release_Long_Time_Right_Tackle_Jansen_38541.jsp]Redskins Release Long-Time Right Tackle Jansen[/url]

"Jansen met with Redskins owner Daniel M. Snyder, head coach Jim Zorn and executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato at Redskins Park on Friday morning.

'I’ve developed a close relationship with Jon and his family over the last 10 years and I have the utmost respect for him as a person and a player,' Snyder said. 'He has been an important part of our organization for the past decade. We wish Jon and his family the very best.'”

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[quote=T.O.Killa;560538]Yes at this time there is no cap, but they will get something worked out. The nfl players and owner want to work something out.[/quote]

wanna bet? I think enough teams have prepared for the uncapped year that it will take a miracle to make it happen now. No way in hell does Danny Boy vote for a cap unless the agreement is astoundingly one-sided in the owner's favor.

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I hope we have someone that will fill the loss in the run game

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[quote=diehardskin2982;560551]I hope we have someone that will fill the loss in the run game[/quote]

It's not a loss. He wasn't going to play anyways. It's not like we rottate in our best run blocking Linemen on running downs.

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[quote=FRPLG;560550]wanna bet? I think enough teams have prepared for the uncapped year that it will take a miracle to make it happen now. No way in hell does Danny Boy vote for a cap unless the agreement is astoundingly one-sided in the owner's favor.[/quote]
Danny Boy is one of 32 owners in the league and in the minority that would want no cap, if he wants no cap. The problem is the rookies get to much money to sign. Even the players agree with this and want some of that money to go to veterans. I dont think it is a given. I think them cutting Jansen is in some way evidence that they will get a deal done.

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Man, didn't really see that coming, I figured next year but with their talks of versatility/backup C or guard he'd still be here this year, especially with the cap hit. Jon's a tough guy, not as consistent anymore but still tough and sounded like he had put some effort into this offseason and was determined to win the spot; said he'd be playing no matter what team it was for.

I'm kind of neutral on the move right now.

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dan is freeing up money to get Vick.... J/k lol

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Based on this article; Zorn was the one who wanted the FO to release Jansen..

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/skins-release-jon-jansen.html]Redskins Insider - Skins Release Jon Jansen (Updated)[/url]

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[quote=GridIron26;560564]Based on this article; Zorn was the one who wanted the FO to release Jansen..

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/skins-release-jon-jansen.html"]Redskins Insider - Skins Release Jon Jansen (Updated)[/URL][/quote]

I guess you assume it's Zorn because what owner is going to be out there right before training camp cutting players. Even Ceratto wouldn't have his mind on that at the moment, unless it was an afterthought and the cap guys said it'd make sense.

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[quote=FRPLG;560522]Surprised but also bittersweet. I am happy they could do it now and give him a shot to grab on with another team. I am happy to be done with watching him be awful. I am sad because before he was awful he was pretty damn good for a long time and really one of those core guys that Gibbs talked about.[/quote]

My sentiments exactly (btw, how is it you are not a mod?)

Jansen was a 4 yr starter at Mich, never missed a game, came here and started as a rookie from day 1. Hate to see him go but, football wise, it needed to happen. Now his fat contract will be off the books

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As much as I respect Jansen as a person who gives his all, this is a great move by the skins. if Jansen had stayed, he would have taken up a roster spot and been someone we never ever wanted to see step on the field - at any position.

Cutting Jansen may create a cap hit, but its one we can afford and it means we can keep an extra young guy on the roster. Our PS squad was raided for good O-linemen last year because we had old declining guys like Jansen wasting a roster spot. More than anything, i'm glad because this means that we're able to keep Edwin Williams on the active roster, so he can hopefully replace Rabach in a year or two. With Jansen on the roster, theres a good chance he would have been put on the PS and signed to someones active roster fairly quickly.

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[quote=jsnyder03;560567]My sentiments exactly (btw, how is it you are not a mod?)

Jansen was a 4 yr starter at Mich, never missed a game, came here and started as a rookie from day 1. Hate to see him go but, football wise, it needed to happen. Now his fat contract will be off the books[/quote]

We don't need any new mods and I argue too much probably. :)

I'll miss having Jon to kick around. He was underrated in his prime I think.

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I am really gonna miss him as a Redskin but his play has declined to a point where I think he might be done with football altogether. I wish him the best in whatever he does next.

One a brighter point this means that we are confident in the other guys we have. It is one more roster spot for a lineman. I think Devin Clark or Batiste must be showing something.

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Sorry to see a true Redskin go but this doesn't surprise me. He simply can't pass protect anymore and watching DE's run around JJ and clobber JC isn't a good thing. Everyone's day comes and today was JJ's. I hope he gets into broadcasting.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;560547]It sounds like they did it the right way:

[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Release_Long_Time_Right_Tackle_Jansen_38541.jsp]Redskins Release Long-Time Right Tackle Jansen[/url]

"Jansen met with Redskins owner Daniel M. Snyder, head coach Jim Zorn and executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato at Redskins Park on Friday morning.

'I’ve developed a close relationship with Jon and his family over the last 10 years and I have the utmost respect for him as a person and a player,' Snyder said. 'He has been an important part of our organization for the past decade. We wish Jon and his family the very best.'”[/quote]

Not trying to bash the FO, but I want to hear from Jansen. You can say all the right things, but if done in the wrong way, he could still be bitter.
I really would like to think that they did, again even holding out 980 as an olive branch.

EDIT: I read the Post article by Jason Reid, and all the press releases sound right. Glad to see Jansen getting the respect from the team.

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[quote=cobracai1;560570]I am really gonna miss him as a Redskin but his play has declined to a point where I think he might be done with football altogether. I wish him the best in whatever he does next.

One a brighter point this means that we are confident in the other guys we have. It is one more roster spot for a lineman. I think Devin Clark or Batiste must be showing something.[/quote]

I sure hope so but I don't think we're going to know about any of these guys until the pads come on. But there is always Heyer.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;560547]It sounds like they did it the right way:

[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Release_Long_Time_Right_Tackle_Jansen_38541.jsp]Redskins Release Long-Time Right Tackle Jansen[/url]

"Jansen met with Redskins owner Daniel M. Snyder, head coach Jim Zorn and executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato at Redskins Park on Friday morning.

'I’ve developed a close relationship with Jon and his family over the last 10 years and I have the utmost respect for him as a person and a player,' Snyder said. 'He has been an important part of our organization for the past decade. We wish Jon and his family the very best.'”[/quote]

Nice post. Some very nice words from Snyder.

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I would like to see him on the Redskins Post Game Live. Having him and B Mitch on there would be good. People have been saying that he need to go for awhile but others were saying that his cap hit would be too big.
Most of us agree that he was a good player and a repectable man who's time has come. Strahan said that Jansen was the toughest guy he ever had to face. I'll miss him but not at the expense of the team.

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It didn't surprise me that he was cut, but that he was cut so soon now that's what surprised me...but that was probably because of the June 1 deadline and the respect they have for him to possibly catch on with another team...sounds like heyer bridges or Williams will be starting RT this year looks good, plus they're all younger than Jansen anyway

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There is no real June 1 deadline this year.

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A little more info: [url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4215277]Washington Redskins release longtime offensive tackle Jon Jansen - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;560528]Damn dude I can see why your screen name is Angry. :laughing2

When he came in for Heyer he improved the offensive line last year and helped us win some games. Before Jansen started Clinton Portis rushed for 84, 96, and 68 yards. The next 5 games when Jansen started Portis rushed for 121, 145, 129, 175, and 126 yards. Thats why Jansen kept his job until he got hurt later in the season.[/quote]


OK the 84 yards was against the Giants who had one of the best Defenses in the league. Combine that with the fact that the whole team looked lathargic and there is not much argument for your case there.

The 96 Yard game came with 2 touchdowns and 4.6 YPC (not exactly stinking up the joint).

I agree that the Arizona game was pretty bad, but one performance shouldn't cost you your job.

Now here is where those stats are skewed a little. Any professional player or analyst will tell you that the running game doesn't truly develop until about weeks 4-8. So when the running game picked up it wasn't because of Jansen, it was because it was time for the running game to pick up.

Also the running game didn't look that hot in weeks 9, 11,13,14, and 18 (all against pretty good D's I admit) all of which Jon Jansen did start. Bottom Line we could have seen the same results out of Heyer sprinkled with a little bit more pass protection.

In my personal opinion I feel that Jansen was not taking his demotion as well as many of you think that he was and the coaching staff was too scared to pull him once Heyer was healthy. I am glad that they made this move now, but they should have had the nuts to do it last year. Getting rid of him was the only way to go because there probably would have been problems if he got beat out again.

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[quote=Angry;560586]Also the running game didn't look that hot in weeks 9, 11,13,14, and 18 (all against pretty good D's I admit) all of which Jon Jansen did start. Bottom Line we could have seen the same results out of Heyer sprinkled with a little bit more pass protection. [/quote]

You could be right maybe Heyer would have been better. I think the offensive line looked alot better once Jansen hit the starting lineup in Dallas. I think he was one of the key pieces to the Skins 6-2 start. As the season went on in the 2nd half I think the whole offensive line in general had problems.

Hopefully Heyer can take the experience he has and take the next step if he does get the RT job over Bridges and Williams.

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Too bad . Always hate to see a leader and tough guy leave , hope this is a good sign that the new & young guys are looking very good . Good luck to Mr. Jansen , a true Skin.

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[Hopefully Heyer can take the experience he has and take the next step if he does get the RT job over Bridges and Williams.[/quote]

Heyer will end up as the backup at both TACKLE spots... Pencil in Bridges as the starting RT, he was just promoted in my opinion..

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[quote=Gmanc711;560514]Well this is bittersweet for sure. I didnt think Jansen had anything left after he snapped his ankle against Miami in 2007, and even before that he seemed to really struggle. Those two major injuries in 04 and 07 really shortened his career in my opinon... this had to be done, he's just not that good anymore in my opinion.

However, I absolutley say thank you to Jon Jansen for his years of service with the Skins'. He was tougher than nails, did a heck of a job and I had the chance to meet him twice and was a real good guy as well. It's also sad to see one, or if I'm not mistaken [B]THE longest tenured Redskin [/B]go. I hope he gets a shot somewhere and if he makes good on it, I honestly hope the guy does well... but I really think he's done. ![/quote]

Longest: Darrell Green. 19 years.

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[quote=SkinDogg;560596]Longest: Darrell Green. 19 years.[/quote]
He means on the active roster

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According comcast there saying Jansen has already signed with Detroit

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[quote=Nflnick11;560600]According comcast there saying Jansen has already signed with Detroit[/quote]

Just heard it. Chick Hernandez and Washington Post Live are both reporting it. He has signed with his home team.

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As much as I hate to see him leave, it was time for Jansen to move on. Good move by the FO (it sounds like financially it was fine to do this) and I'm glad both parties parted ways amicable.

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thanks for the years of service, he was always a stand up guy. hes been with the team almost as long as i can remember.

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Oh my God, we should have cut him in 2006.

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Zorn Explains


Zorn Discusses Jansen Decision

Redskins Coach Jim Zorn said the release of veteran tackle Jon Jansen was difficult, because no coach wants to tell a 10-year veteran that he is done with the only franchise for which he has played. But he said the evaluation by the coaching staff - primarily Zorn, offensive coordinator Sherman Smith and offensive line coach Joe Bugel - made it a relatively easy football decision.

"I stated, right when the offseason came about, that the [right tackle] position was going to be open," Zorn said this afternoon by phone. "We're going to see who is battling for it.

"Jon, during March, he said he was ready to fight. I think he even said publicly that he was ready to be the player he is. He was going to come back and show that he can be the kind of player he is, he felt he was. I think when he came back in mini-camp, in good shape, in OTAs, in great shape, fighting hard.

"But to me, in evaluating the situation with Joe, with Sherman, myself, just sitting down and talking about and watching, I didn't see a difference [from last season]. I'm looking for differences. 'Okay, this is different, and that's different.' I didn't necessarily see that."

Given that, Zorn said, the coaches tried to envision where Jansen - who began last year as a backup, rose to the starting job, lost it again and then regained it at the end of the season - might fit in going forward.

"What we try to do is look at all the offensive linemen," Zorn said. "You not only grade them, but you rank them. You go back and forth. What's the future look like here? The future looks more like it's the battle of Stephon Heyer, Mike Williams and Jeremy Bridges."

Thus, they tried Jansen at center and guard, where he would have served as a backup.

"I didn't feel comfortable with how I perceived him backing up all those positions," Zorn said. "I was looking for the younger guys to take a lot of snaps to improve them instead of keeping Jon in a new position for him."

Once the coaches came to a consensus, Zorn said he took his recommendation to owner Daniel Snyder. "How do you release a guy like this?" Zorn said. "And Mr. Snyder said, 'Let's do it as right as we can.' The right way to do it is talk to him face to face."

With that, Snyder sent his plane to pick up Jansen, who makes his offseason home in Michigan. Zorn and Jansen met this morning.

"Was that hard?" Zorn said. "Yep. No doubt. He's a man, and it was one person's opinion about what his future was going to be with this organization. Absolutely he was disappointed."
Stephon Heyer, 25, 6-foot-6, 330 pounds, entering third season:

"Heyer has really improved himself," Zorn said. "He hasn't missed anything in our offseason program. He's trying to change his body style and the way he moves. I have seen some improvement. He's got a ways to go. That's why I wouldn't clearly name him the starter. He's working on his technique, his strength, his suddenness. Obviously, there's a lot to work on, but he's on his way."

Mike Williams, 29, 6-6, 384 pounds (Zorn said), entering sixth season (with two years off):

"Mike Williams has got tremendous potential right now," Zorn said, "and that's what it is because he hasn't played in two years. But when I watch him move, and I watch him move his feet, I mean, he can really move a lot of weight.

"He's down to 384 today. How comfortable can you be with a guy who's 384? But he's coming down. And that's a sign that he's making himself into a better football player. He's allowing himself to give himself a chance. My biggest concern is: Can he function at a high level at the weight he is for 70 plays? You can't just have it for 10 plays. You got to have it for 70."

Jeremy Bridges, 29, 6-4, 326 pounds, entering seventh season:

"I don't know much about Jeremy Bridges yet, but I watch him, and I see another athlete that can really change direction. I think he's got a toughness about him that we're certainly looking for with the Redskins."

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[quote=mredskins;560505]Regardless of his current state, it is a sad day. Jansen has always been one of my favorites. Good luck John and thanks for being a stand up Redskin! Gon miss ya![/quote]


Yeah, Jansen has been with the Skins forever(plus for me he is a U of M guy). He was too oft injured and it was only a matter of time til this would have happened. It was a good move by the Skins though. If we are going to totally rebuild the line we have to start somewhere.

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[quote=Nflnick11;560600]According comcast there saying Jansen has already signed with Detroit[/quote]

Good for him and I hope he performs like his old self. Sad to see him go, would have liked to see him get one last chance and I hope he proves that he shouldn't have been cut.

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Where the hell does all this money come from?

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Wow.

Guess I can't say I'm surprised, except maybe for the timing.

Anyways there's been discrepencies with my Jansen numbers with some other sites but JLC seems to confirm my deadcap number of $6.188M which is the only number that matters now.

Though I am a Jansen fan and will miss him, I am very happy about this move. Was time and eating the deadcap hit now when we have the cap room makes a lot of sense.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;560608]Good for him and I hope he performs like his old self. Sad to see him go, would have liked to see him get one last chance and I hope he proves that he shouldn't have been cut.[/quote]

I hope they didn't cut him for Heyers sake!

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Jansen's going to make for a great analyst after he retires.