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I'm going with BJ Raji. Top college DT's seem to bust quite a bit or be ho-hum type of players once they get to the NFL.

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I'm going with Mark Sanchez. I don't think he had enough college experience to become a good NFL QB.

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Here are my likely busts:
1) Sanchez - way overhyped, won't come anywhere close to expectations. LA & NY are two different animals. It'll be interesting to see how he responds when the weather gets bad, he's playing a tough D, he makes a mistake or two and the fans start to boo. He'll be wishing he stayed in the warm sunshine of USC and my guess is he won't respond very well at all.

2) Andre Smith - He'll be pushing 4-bills and be involved in off-field incidents.

3) Heyward-Bey - How can anyone be successful with the Raiders?

4) Larry English - Numbers are inflated from weak competition, will be a back-up, nothing more. Injuries will likely be an issue.

5) Percy Harvin - coached against him at HS level, never seen anyone so fast in person. However, questionable hands, route running suspect, off-field issues probable, injuries probable. Didn't return kicks or punts at UF. Will struggle when he can't outrun everyone at the NFL level.

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Man, listening to Jason la Confora this morning on Comcast, it sound slike he thinks Rak Attack is gonna suck. He's such a negative little prick.

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I think Matthew Stafford is gonna get killed in Detroit. He's my bust pick.

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[quote=Soup's Uncle;552341]Man, listening to Jason la Confora this morning on Comcast, it sound slike he thinks Rak Attack is gonna suck. He's such a negative little prick.[/quote]I heard that too. What did JLC say, he thought Orakpo would end up as an average player at best. Part of me gets slightly worried when I hear that sort of thing but then I remember the source.

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^Seriously, Jason La Confora is so annoying. Larry Michael used to make my skin crawl but now I find him refreshing after hearing the negative BS pumped out by JLC. No matter what pick we would have made, he would have taken the opposite stance.

If we would ahve drafted lineman late, he would have said "How are you going to get anything out of a 6th rounder? What a waste."

I hope he gets a chance to interview Orakpo and he shits his pants witnessing such a physical specimen.

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And if we passed on Orakpo I can only imagine JLC ranting on how we yet again ignored the DL and missed the chance to have a quality pass rush threat.

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[quote=GTripp0012;552183]Darrius Heyward-Bey is likely to enjoy some level of good QB play before the end of 2011 in Oakland, and I would not tag him as a likely bust, even though the longer he withers in Oakland the more likely it will become.

[B]Hakeem Nicks will bust in New York[/B]. Aaron Maybin has a good chance to bust in Buffalo. Jeremy Maclin, I don't see him ever climbing the depth chart in Philly. Even with three receivers, they'd have to let some of their better players go to make room for him, and that would be a mistake. Larry English could wash out very, very easily in San Diego.

Freeman is a huge question mark, because I don't think he's in a good situation in Tampa. I do favor his potential though over, say, Stafford, who I think as crazy as this may sound, will not bust because he's in a much better situation. Sanchez, I think, is in a better situation than Freeman, and will have a league average career.

But if I'm being asked for just one name of whom will fail epically, I'm going with Percy Harvin in Minnesota.[/quote]

I listened to KC Joyner, "football scientist", last night on espn radio & found his analysis of players very insightful. He said he studied the routes of wr's & after comparing them, had this to say:

1) Heyward Bey did not run that many vertical routes in college, but it was the one route that he ran well. He doesn't cut very quickly & doesn't run most routes very efficiently. Not great hands either.

2) Percy Harvin didn't run many vertical routes, despite the press about his great speed. Overall he didn't run a wide variety of routes & Fla. got him the ball in a variety of ways, including handoffs.

3) Hakeem Nicks doesn't have great "vertical speed" but he gets in & out of his breaks quickly & runs the deep in, 20 yards & cut inside, very well. He compared him to Torry Holt, a wr that never had great speed but could get open downfield. He felt there were only some fairly minor tweaks to his route running that were needed to make him an effective pro.

I saw Nicks a few times & thought he had great hands & was a strong, physical wr. I liked him before, but I think he might be the best of this class after listening to Joyner.

Overall Joyner thought Harvin & Heyard-Bey were much lesser wr's at this point & he questioned if both were capable of being good nfl recievers.

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[quote=skinsfan69;552329]I don't know, the games I saw he seemed to be running everything. I mean you don't catch 100 balls in Div 1 football and not have some seriosu talent. Now I know the Big 12 isn't the SEC but that's still serious production.[/quote]Chase Daniel is also maybe the best QB Missouri has ever had. If he had stayed next year and produced even more with they next guy, I'd say that I'd feel a lot more confident about his pro prospects.

Right now, I look at his frame and keep hearing about his general lack of intangibles and just wonder, "how are they going to use this guy?"

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;552344]I heard that too. What did JLC say, he thought Orakpo would end up as an average player at best. Part of me gets slightly worried when I hear that sort of thing but then I remember the source.[/quote]

The next time JLC says anything accurate about the Redskins will be the first.

Among his 'misses' over the past few months:
-Redskins won't be involved in/be able to afford/sign Haynesworth.
-Redskins won't be able to retain DeAngelo Hall
-Redskins won't be able to afford Haynesworth and Hall
-Redskins will keep Springs for at least another year
-Redskins will keep Jason Taylor for at least another year
-Redskins will look to trade Carlos Rogers and/or Rocky McIntosh before the draft
-Redskins won't be involved in Cutler talks
-Redskins won't be interested in Sanchez

Of course he also said last season that we'd be no better than 6-10.

I'm amazed the Post hasn't moved or replaced him on the Redskins beat. Jason Reid seems to be more more unbiased and has a good rapport with the players. He also seems like he hasn't pissed off the front office like JLC has. I'd like to see Reid as the #1 and have JLC cover DC United (are they still around?).

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No doubt it will be Sanchez. Who does he have to throw to?

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[quote=cochise;552414]No doubt it will be Sanchez. Who does he have to throw to?[/quote]

He's gonna be paid to manage the game not win it. 3 strong runningbacks great defense yes mediocre wrs but as long as he doesn't go Phil Mickelson or bust a Peyton Manning he sholud be okay.

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[quote=Mattyk72;552366]And if we passed on Orakpo I can only imagine JLC ranting on how we yet again ignored the DL and missed the chance to have a quality pass rush threat.[/quote]

Well done. JLC will always find something to whine about.

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Damn JLC. I just can't even read his columns. It's like listening to Chris Matthews and Fox News. No matter what the event is, their opinions are made up before anything's even happened.

Orakpo will be GOOD this year, with 6 sacks I predict, rotating at DE with Daniels and Wynn.
2010 Orakpo will probably have 10.5 sacks, and only continue to improve.

Andre Smith is the guaranteed bust of this draft. Look what happened when the Nick Saban locker room disappeared?- Out of shape, stupid, lazy, terrible character.
The Bang-gals locker room is a POS. He walks away with his signing bonus and pisses it away in 3 years. Hope the kid proves me wrong. For his sake.

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[quote=Paintrain;552394]The next time JLC says anything accurate about the Redskins will be the first.

Among his 'misses' over the past few months:
-Redskins won't be involved in/be able to afford/sign Haynesworth.
-Redskins won't be able to retain DeAngelo Hall
-Redskins won't be able to afford Haynesworth and Hall
-Redskins will keep Springs for at least another year
-Redskins will keep Jason Taylor for at least another year
-Redskins will look to trade Carlos Rogers and/or Rocky McIntosh before the draft
-Redskins won't be involved in Cutler talks
-Redskins won't be interested in Sanchez

Of course he also said last season that we'd be no better than 6-10.

I'm amazed the Post hasn't moved or replaced him on the Redskins beat. Jason Reid seems to be more more unbiased and has a good rapport with the players. He also seems like he hasn't pissed off the front office like JLC has. I'd like to see Reid as the #1 and have JLC cover DC United (are they still around?).[/quote]

Disagree with one thing...JLC should be punted to cover Pro Lacrosse.

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[quote=Paintrain;552394]The next time JLC says anything accurate about the Redskins will be the first.

Among his 'misses' over the past few months:
-Redskins won't be involved in/be able to afford/sign Haynesworth.
-Redskins won't be able to retain DeAngelo Hall
-Redskins won't be able to afford Haynesworth and Hall
-Redskins will keep Springs for at least another year
-Redskins will keep Jason Taylor for at least another year
-Redskins will look to trade Carlos Rogers and/or Rocky McIntosh before the draft
-Redskins won't be involved in Cutler talks
-Redskins won't be interested in Sanchez

Of course he also said last season that we'd be no better than 6-10.

I'm amazed the Post hasn't moved or replaced him on the Redskins beat. Jason Reid seems to be more more unbiased and has a good rapport with the players. He also seems like he hasn't pissed off the front office like JLC has. I'd like to see Reid as the #1 and have JLC cover DC United (are they still around?).[/quote]


Great record keeping Pain! JLC's stats are far worse than Orapkos. JLC feels Orapko is a bust, we all feel JLC is the bust!

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Stafford and Freeman will not be worthy of the slot they were taken. Ergo, they will be "busts".

I don't like the Beanie Wells pick much.

Here is my reservation about how good a player Orakpo can become. I am "old school" about defensive ends; I think they have to be able to play the run very well IN ADDITION TO rushing the passer upfield on every play and coming around the tackle for sacks. When I saw Orapko, he did NOT play the run very well.

If he works and learns to do that, he can become excellent; if not he will become a third down pass-rush specialist. And if that is all he becomes, then for the #13 pick in the draft he will be disappointing. Time will tell...

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anyone from Ohio State ...Hail to the Victor...Wolverines Rule...lol

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Mark Sanchez!

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Heyward-Bey has it written all over him. Davis picked him way too high.

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[quote=jamf;551756]aaron maybin de from penn state.[/quote]


i agree!

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Alex Mack

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The ones I thought of have already been mentioned...so I'm going to say Mark Sanchez! Yes, he is not going to be what people think he's going to be. Certainly freeman is WAAAAY too overrated as well. Heyward-Bey is the easiest pick of all time...what a stupid pick.

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Since I started the thread I will return now to...Vontae Davis. They say the guy refuses to be coached. That is an NFL kiss of death. He'll end up being burned more times than a church candle.

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[quote=Lotus;555158]Since I started the thread I will return now to...Vontae Davis. They say the guy refuses to be coached. That is an NFL kiss of death. He'll end up being burned more times than a church candle.[/quote] I do not remember where I read this , but at the combine , he was very fast , but was about as stiff as a MLB in his hips . This is one guy Im glad we did not pick !

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;553580]

I don't like the Beanie Wells pick much.[/quote]

Why? I think he will do very well for Arizona. Will be a 1000 yard back very soon for them.

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Yeah Vontae is very raw as far as a CB

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Odds should be on Stafford but I like his intangibles as well as the fact that he gets to throw to Calvin Johnson who's one of the few recievers in the league that can make a QB good as opposed to the other way around.

Heyward Bey though is my choice. Poor QB play, average production in college, average route running ability, need I say more?

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Going with Sanchez. Eager to see how the tackle from Baylor plays as well. Matt Stafford has the talent of an expansion team around him(exception of C. Johnson), so him not performing wouldnt be a surprise, but not entirely his fault.

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[quote=Chico23231;565033]Going with Sanchez. [B][I]Eager to see how the tackle from Baylor plays as well. [/I][/B]Matt Stafford has the talent of an expansion team around him(exception of C. Johnson), so him not performing wouldnt be a surprise, but not entirely his fault.[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing. For the first tackle chosen, in the market he played in, I think he'll be a bust by his draft status only. Sure, he might start, but selected that high I can't see him being a linchpin of a line.

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I have a lot of potential busts, but if I were to give you my 5 they would be:

1) heyward bey... High pick, bad team, ok in college (troy williamson?!?)
2) maybin...too thin, should of stayed a year in college
3) cushing... Injuries will hurt him
4) freeman, your arm is strong but your football iq isn't
5) kenny britt...never heard of you till the draft and isn't that fluid/ smooth when he plays

Honorable mention: Jason smith (tore ACL in college, and light weight), clay Matthews (didn't start at USC and was ok not a sack every time type player or good coverage guy now the pack want him to play OLB)

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[quote=Soup's Uncle;552343]I think Matthew Stafford is gonna get killed in Detroit. He's my bust pick.[/quote]

~~~~~
That is my pick too. He is going to be eating a lot of turf.

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My picks

Top 5 Easy one's

1.- Matthew Stafford I just don't see it.. in all the college film I've seen he was just OK. he might end up being that Just OK but for the 1st pick he will never live up to the hype

2.- H-B Talk about a reach the guy wasn't even projected to be picked in the first round but Al doesn't think straight when he see's speed. Stupid pick the kid has no hands.

3.- Josh Freeman people get in-love with the new thing in the NFL no way he was worth a first round pick the kid is a Q.Carter waiting to happen.

4.- Vontae Davis no hips stiff as a rock they guy will get burned as a regular baisis

5.- Tyson Jackson smells like another Vernon Gholston another twinner LB that we ddin't knew nothing about until the combine. Over Hyped not too much production.

[B]Special Bonus [/B]

[B]Brian Orakpo [/B]look guys it didn't had too do anything with you guys picking this dude I didn't liked the player since I watched him and saw all the highlights and other reports. I see a guy with tons of talent not too much motivation just looking for the big Payday... for me he reminds me of Ebenezer Ekuban of Dallas or other players that looked like freaks of nature that could destroyed the other opposition but didn't... The fact is that at Texas he took a lot of plays off couldn't beat good LT and wasn't great Against the Run I said thsi before the draft in other boards before the pick came. Know that I'm going to get trashed but hey I always tell yo uguys like I See it I'm not goignt to stop now.

[B]2nd round pick I like.[/B]

[B]Maualuga, Rey [/B]-Cin I still don't know how Cushing and Matthews went before this guy he was the LB corps of USC for me he was the best ILB in the draft and he might be the next Rey Lewis to bad he got Cin as a home but man he was a freak at college and showed all the explosion you want in your ILB.

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[quote=D'BOYZ;565173]My picks

Top 5 Easy one's

1.- Matthew Stafford I just don't see it.. in all the college film I've seen he was just OK. he might end up being that Just OK but for the 1st pick he will never live up to the hype

2.- H-B Talk about a reach the guy wasn't even projected to be picked in the first round but Al doesn't think straight when he see's speed. Stupid pick the kid has no hands.

3.- Josh Freeman people get in-love with the new thing in the NFL no way he was worth a first round pick the kid is a Q.Carter waiting to happen.

4.- Vontae Davis no hips stiff as a rock they guy will get burned as a regular baisis

5.- Tyson Jackson smells like another Vernon Gholston another twinner LB that we ddin't knew nothing about until the combine. Over Hyped not too much production.

[B]Special Bonus [/B]

[B]Brian Orakpo [/B]look guys it didn't had too do anything with you guys picking this dude I didn't liked the player since I watched him and saw all the highlights and other reports. I see a guy with tons of talent not too much motivation just looking for the big Payday... for me he reminds me of Ebenezer Ekuban of Dallas or other players that looked like freaks of nature that could destroyed the other opposition but didn't... The fact is that at Texas he took a lot of plays off couldn't beat good LT and wasn't great Against the Run I said thsi before the draft in other boards before the pick came. Know that I'm going to get trashed but hey I always tell yo uguys like I See it I'm not goignt to stop now.

[B]2nd round pick I like.[/B]

[B]Maualuga, Rey [/B]-Cin I still don't know how Cushing and Matthews went before this guy he was the LB corps of USC for me he was the best ILB in the draft and he might be the next Rey Lewis to bad he got Cin as a home but man he was a freak at college and showed all the explosion you want in your ILB.[/quote]

My understanding is that KC intends Jackson exclusively as a hand-down 3-4 DE, not as a tweener.

It is likely good for us to get a reality check regarding Orakpo. However, leaving the Redskins FO out of it, your views on him are not widely shared among non-Redskins evaluators. We'll see.

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[quote=D'BOYZ;565173]My picks

Top 5 Easy one's

1.- Matthew Stafford I just don't see it.. in all the college film I've seen he was just OK. he might end up being that Just OK but for the 1st pick he will never live up to the hype

2.- H-B Talk about a reach the guy wasn't even projected to be picked in the first round but Al doesn't think straight when he see's speed. Stupid pick the kid has no hands.

3.- Josh Freeman people get in-love with the new thing in the NFL no way he was worth a first round pick the kid is a Q.Carter waiting to happen.

4.- Vontae Davis no hips stiff as a rock they guy will get burned as a regular baisis

5.- Tyson Jackson smells like another Vernon Gholston another twinner LB that we ddin't knew nothing about until the combine. Over Hyped not too much production.

[B]Special Bonus [/B]

[B][B]Brian Orakpo [/B]look guys it didn't had too do anything with you guys picking this dude I didn't liked the player since I watched him and saw all the highlights and other reports. I see a guy with tons of talent not too much motivation just looking for the big Payday... for me he reminds me of Ebenezer Ekuban of Dallas or other players that looked like freaks of nature that could destroyed the other opposition but didn't... The fact is that at Texas he took a lot of plays off couldn't beat good LT and wasn't great Against the Run I said thsi before the draft in other boards before the pick came. Know that I'm going to get trashed but hey I always tell yo uguys like I See it I'm not goignt to stop now.[/B]

[B]2nd round pick I like.[/B]

[B]Maualuga, Rey [/B]-Cin I still don't know how Cushing and Matthews went before this guy he was the LB corps of USC for me he was the best ILB in the draft and he might be the next Rey Lewis to bad he got Cin as a home but man he was a freak at college and showed all the explosion you want in your ILB.[/quote]

You mean the DE we drafted to play LB? I dont know if you could call him a bust when he is transitioning to a LB, he is more of a "project".

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I would say the most likely first round "bust" would be the Cowgirls. They haven't won a playoff game in....12 or 13 years right? Of course that's assuming they even get that far.

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[quote=WaldSkins;565195]You mean the DE we drafted to play LB? I dont know if you could call him a bust when he is transitioning to a LB, he is more of a "project".[/quote]

The thread is most likely to bust and players that are transitioning from De to LB are most likely to bust also specially if they haven't shown they have that type of agility.

Example. NYG [URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/mathiaskiwanuka/profile?id=KIW059326"][COLOR=#364c88]Mathias Kiwanuka[/COLOR][/URL] he was a DE moved to LB in the 4-3 not the 3-4 like Okampo and he has been bad to average at least. his best year came this past one when he played a lot of downs as DE because of Ozi Injury... but still not 1st round pick numbers.

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I can't get upset w/DBoyz for his prediction of Orakpo. Fact is, predicting a 1st round DE will be a bust is about a 50/50 proposition. So many of them don't pan out or are just avg, so it's not as if he's making some bold prediction.

But the real reason I can't say too much about it, is that I had my doubts about Orakpo during the draft coverage. I watched him play some, but not a great deal. He never seemed a really dominant player. The one thing that's grown on me about him though is his IQ & character. Don't underestimate that, smart guys have foresight & will more than likely realize what they need to do to be successful.

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Mark Sanchez.