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redskins are well on their way to putting together a good team

offensive line is the biggest issue and that could only help clinton portis and whoever the QB will be next season....several offensive tackle prospects in the first round

plus alex mack, max unger, duke robinson, and eric wood all as interior line prospects in the late first round or 2nd round

it just depends on which players are available at that time

tackle probably needs to be addressed in the first round because those are where the best prospects are

im not sure if the redskins have a pick in the 2nd round or not, but could definitly upgrade either center or guard with any of those players i mentioned

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no 2nd this year my friend. thank JT.

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3rd round prospects are just as enticing

eric wood might still be available
antoine caldwell
jonathan luigs

there arent nearly as many, but they are still talented and could upgrade just about any offensive line in the league

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[quote=CantonLegend;549490]redskins are well on their way to putting together a good team

offensive line is the biggest issue and that could only help clinton portis and whoever the QB will be next season....several offensive tackle prospects in the first round

plus alex mack, max unger, duke robinson, and eric wood all as interior line prospects in the late first round or 2nd round

it just depends on which players are available at that time

tackle probably needs to be addressed in the first round because those are where the best prospects are

im not sure if the redskins have a pick in the 2nd round or not, but could definitly upgrade either center or guard with any of those players i mentioned[/quote]

I think the interior of the line is more important right now than RT. Rabach had a subpar season, Thomas is injury riddled and getting old. Most fans in this forum mention that if you have a great DL like Haynesworth that you can dominate the trenches. The same applies the other way, if you have a great C/G then you can counteract a great DL and have the DE beat you.

I think a 2009 starting OL of this guys below would be sweet:

[B]Samuels, Dockery, Mack, Devin Clark/Rinehart, Heyer/Jansen [/B]

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[quote=CantonLegend;549495]3rd round prospects are just as enticing

eric wood might still be available
antoine caldwell
jonathan luigs

there arent nearly as many, but they are still talented and could upgrade just about any offensive line in the league[/quote]

You had it right with your first center.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;549499]I think the interior of the line is more important right now than RT. Rabach had a subpar season, Thomas is injury riddled and getting old. Most fans in this forum mention that if you have a great DL like Haynesworth that you can dominate the trenches. The same applies the other way, if you have a great C/G then you can counteract a great DL and have the DE beat you.

I think a 2009 starting OL of this guys below would be sweet:

[B]Samuels, Dockery, Mack, Devin Clark/Rinehart, Heyer/Jansen [/B][/quote]

it all depends

if you want to start with a passing team, its probably more beneficial to go after a tackle. they are the cornerstones of the offense and protect the most important asset(obviously not true for all teams lol)

tackles make good money because they deserve good money. You have to be big, very strong, and very quick to play tackle in the NFL and there arent many players that can do that....more and more tackles are being drafted in the later rounds and being converted to guards because they cant handle the rush on the outside

interior linemen are more important IMO because most plays take place from the inside out. the center is the only player to touch the ball every single play and if he gets pushed off balance then he ruins the entire play.

guards need to be quicker than tackles but rarely have to move backwards like tackles. most of their steps are forward and allow them to play off balance a little

if it were my pick, id take a tackle, but thats only because its so early in the first round

if it were later in round 1 or even in round 2, id take a top rated center or guard without looking back. especially from the crop of kids coming out this year

unless they make a trade back, the redskins need to take a tackle

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[quote=CantonLegend;549510]
unless they make a trade back, the redskins need to take a tackle[/quote]
Hell, we may need to trade up for a top 4.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;549500]You had it right with your first center.[/quote]

alex mack is my favorite player in the entire draft. if the draft went my way he would be #1 overall

he is, IMO, the best player in the entire draft and the safest, surest pick

very smart, very quick, strong, and has great hands

hes tall but he blocks low and his first and second steps are faster than any other center in the draft

eric wood is probably a little stronger, and max unger is probably a little quicker, but there isnt a better talent overall in the draft

any of the top centers in the draft would be great for the redskins at either center or guard

mack
unger
wood
robinson
caldwell
luigs
newton

they could all help and most of them will be available when the redskins pick

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[quote=tryfuhl;549516]Hell, we may need to trade up for a top 4.[/quote]

i cant see any player in the top 4 being worth the trade up other than curry

michael oher and andre smith were both rated higher than jason smith and eugene monroe at the end of the season

the combine and offseason dropped them down on many draft boards, but they are still very talented

trading up isnt smart, especially in a very weak draft class

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[quote=CantonLegend;549517]alex mack is my favorite player in the entire draft. if the draft went my way he would be #1 overall

he is, IMO, the best player in the entire draft and the safest, surest pick

very smart, very quick, strong, and has great hands

hes tall but he blocks low and his first and second steps are faster than any other center in the draft

eric wood is probably a little stronger, and max unger is probably a little quicker, but there isnt a better talent overall in the draft

any of the top centers in the draft would be great for the redskins at either center or guard

mack
unger
wood
robinson
caldwell
luigs
newton

they could all help and most of them will be available when the redskins pick[/quote]

You sir are someone that gets it!! [B]Mack[/B] is the smartest, baddest OL player in the draft. I guarantee that wherever he lands that he will make that OL much better overnight.

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[quote=CantonLegend;549517]alex mack is my favorite player in the entire draft. if the draft went my way he would be #1 overall

he is, IMO, the best player in the entire draft and the safest, surest pick[/quote]

number 1 overall, why? You know he won't go that way so no need to draft him there
[quote]

hes tall but he blocks low and his first and second steps are faster than any other center in the draft[/quote]

I'm sure that you've watched him more than me but I read that he gets up too tall as a con.. the faster off of the snap I have heard though

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[quote=CantonLegend;549523]i cant see any player in the top 4 being worth the trade up other than curry

michael oher and andre smith were both rated higher than jason smith and eugene monroe at the end of the season

the combine and offseason dropped them down on many draft boards, but they are still very talented

trading up isnt smart, especially in a very weak draft class[/quote]
I mean a top 4 OT

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I think the fans would be tolerant if we were really in a rebuilding mode w/ a plan. The problem is like the post sais we are in between. We don't have direction and lack FO discipline. We are a bipolar organization. It's who we are. We've become a laughingstock organization. A perenial average team.

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[quote=tryfuhl;549528]number 1 overall, why? You know he won't go that way so no need to draft him there


I'm sure that you've watched him more than me but I read that he gets up too tall as a con.. the faster off of the snap I have heard though[/quote]

I've watched him play for years here in Northern Cal. and all the stuff you hear from the experts is BS. I would goas far as saying that he could be the next Jim Otto. Read this:

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/504640]Alex Mack, California, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com Football[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;549539]I've watched him play for years here in Northern Cal. and all the stuff you hear from the experts is BS. I would goas far as saying that he could be the next Jim Otto. Read this:

[URL="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/504640"]Alex Mack, California, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com Football[/URL][/quote]

I mean I follow, but if nobody else is going to make him a number 1 pick it'd be foolish to do so yourself, trade down, pick him up later, and somebody else

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[quote=CantonLegend;549517]alex mack is my favorite player in the entire draft. if the draft went my way he would be #1 overall

he is, IMO, the best player in the entire draft and the safest, surest pick

very smart, very quick, strong, and has great hands

hes tall but he blocks low and his first and second steps are faster than any other center in the draft

eric wood is probably a little stronger, and max unger is probably a little quicker, but there isnt a better talent overall in the draft

any of the top centers in the draft would be great for the redskins at either center or guard

mack
unger
wood
robinson
caldwell
luigs
newton

they could all help and most of them will be available when the redskins pick[/quote]

Wow, you're not even her a month and you came in on the Mack Wagon. Welcome aboard. Did you come to this conclusion by listening to others like myself or did you watch the Youtube of him tearing s**t up? We had it on here for a little while. If we couldn't draft down I'd take Mack over trading up to get Sanchez. I don't care if he's a center.

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[quote=tryfuhl;549528]number 1 overall, why? You know he won't go that way so no need to draft him there
[/quote]

in a few years when we look back at the draft and realize who were the best players to come out of the draft, we wont be looking at matthew stafford or brian orakpo or tyson jackson

im looking at the draft as if it were years ago. I think alex mack will have a better pro career than any other pick in the draft. I think he will be here in canton with me some day. the last center that i thought was as close in talent to mack was nick mangold out of ohio state. he also went in the first round and now is a huge reason why thomas jones made the pro bowl last year

[quote]I'm sure that you've watched him more than me but I read that he gets up too tall as a con.. the faster off of the snap I have heard though[/quote]

he is 6'4" but gets almost too low when he snaps the ball, he is a natural knee bender and he is very comfortable in his stance, if you've ever tried to put 1 hand down like a lineman and keep your head up, you'll realize how hard it is to do that for 5, 10, 15 seconds before the snap

then he takes his first step without moving his upper body, his second step is either a turn or a pull step and his 3rd step is when he starts his upward motion with his body, but by then he will either have made contact with his opponent or he will be in the open field, head hunting

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;549544]Wow, you're not even her a month and you came in on the Mack Wagon. Welcome aboard. Did you come to this conclusion by listening to others like myself or did you watch the Youtube of him tearing s**t up? We had it on here for a little while. If we couldn't draft down I'd take Mack over trading up to get Sanchez. I don't care if he's a center.[/quote]

lol i started the mack bandwagon

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[quote=CantonLegend;549546]lol i started the mack bandwagon[/quote]
sfredskin might disagree with you there. He's been beating the A. Mack drum for months.

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[quote=Redskin Jim;549552]sfredskin might disagree with you there. He's been beating the A. Mack drum for months.[/quote]

ive watched him as much as i could since the beginning of the college football season. Im a Saints fan at heart and i know very little about the redskins as a whole so after the saints let jeff faine go, ive been looking at possible replacements and i realized alex mack was a very special player before all the mocks even came out

it really doesnt matter who started it, as long as macks name is being tossed around and hes getting credit that he rightfully deserves

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[quote=Redskin Jim;549552]sfredskin might disagree with you there. He's been beating the A. Mack drum for months.[/quote]

Don't forget 53Fan.

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[quote=CantonLegend;549556]ive watched him as much as i could since the beginning of the college football season. Im a Saints fan at heart and i know very little about the redskins as a whole so after the saints let jeff faine go, ive been looking at possible replacements and i realized alex mack was a very special player before all the mocks even came out

it really doesnt matter who started it, as long as macks name is being tossed around and hes getting credit that he rightfully deserves[/quote]

Saints fan? What's with the Redskins avatar then? Why not just use the Saints one?

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[quote=CantonLegend;549546]lol i started the mack bandwagon[/quote]

I might have to disagree there, but other than that, welcome to the board!

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[quote=SmootSmack;549561]Saints fan? What's with the Redskins avatar then? Why not just use the Saints one?[/quote]

i dont know how

**edit**
i figured it out lol

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[quote=CantonLegend;549556]ive watched him as much as i could since the beginning of the college football season.[B] Im a Saints fan at heart [/B]and i know very little about the redskins as a whole so after the saints let jeff faine go, ive been looking at possible replacements and i realized alex mack was a very special player before all the mocks even came out

it really doesnt matter who started it, as long as macks name is being tossed around and hes getting credit that he rightfully deserves[/quote]
That's cool, I'm a Saints season ticket holder, But a die hard Redskins fan born and raised.:food-smil

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Watch out for the Saints this year canton legend, if Grilliams straightens out the defense like I think he will, the Saints will be scary good this year.

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[quote=Angry;549358]Read my sig, it's from a previous post. I'm just pissed about the way we are handling the offseason. I need some time to cool off.[/quote]

What is so bad that we've done worth turning to the effin ravens? (please note that I will be EXTREMELY unhappy with the Skins if they do something stupid in the draft like give up everything for Sanchez.)

You can PM me if you wish to avoid future comments on this thread, especially the wonderful name calling...which by the way, nice come back with the "a douche gets more..." LOL HILARIOUS.

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[quote=CantonLegend;549556]ive watched him as much as i could since the beginning of the college football season. Im a Saints fan at heart and i know very little about the redskins as a whole so after the saints let jeff faine go, ive been looking at possible replacements and i realized alex mack was a very special player before all the mocks even came out

it really doesnt matter who started it, as long as macks name is being tossed around and hes getting credit that he rightfully deserves[/quote]

Damn right!! I would draft him in the 1st round (he is that good!!) just like Nick Mangold has done for the Jets so would Mack. I would even give up next years 1st round pick and draft him this year if we decide to go with a T. Imagine this? Andre Smith or Oher + Mack as our 1st 2 picks? That line would dominate that Giants Defense and kick their ass all over the field.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;549604]Damn right!! I would draft him in the 1st round (he is that good!!) just like Nick Mangold has done for the Jets so would Mack. I would even give up next years 1st round pick and draft him this year if we decide to go with a T. Imagine this? Andre Smith or Oher + Mack as our 1st 2 picks? That line would dominate that Giants Defense and kick their ass all over the field.[/quote]

That's a little extreme but it's a hell of a lot better than giving up everything for Sanchez.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;549652]That's a little extreme but it's a hell of a lot better than giving up everything for Sanchez.[/quote]

Think about it, our OL would be set for years. We can concentrate on the rest of draft on addressing the D and next year more D and a RB.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;549655]Think about it, our OL would be set for years. We can concentrate on the rest of draft on addressing the D and next year more D and a RB.[/quote]

Well at least it's a plan and not jumping to the next shiny toy.

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[quote=Redskin Jim;549576]Watch out for the Saints this year canton legend, if Grilliams straightens out the defense like I think he will, the Saints will be scary good this year.[/quote]

Funny u say it Jim cuz I been following NO since Williams went there. Don't know if they'll bounce this year w/ his defensive system being so complicated...but yes I agree the Saints will be an extremely dangerous team within a year or two. Always a fun team to watch too!!!

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;549655][b]Think about it, our OL would be set for years.[/b] We can concentrate on the rest of draft on addressing the D and next year more D and a RB.[/quote]

Very true...he's a SURE THING, unlike Sanchez.

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The problem with Our team is that the FO gets star struck with FA's and
draft prospects and sells the farm to get them. Keep Campbell, let Him mature
and stay in Zorn's system. He's poised and versed in the system, has a strong
arm and the workings of a potent reciever core with Kelly, Thomas, and even
Davis. The drop-off came last season when the OL wore down and that's what needs to be the focus of the draft along with hopefully picking up the STUD
Mualuaga(?) to take over when Fletch"s run is done. Bottom line, stop wishing
on a star and start building a champion.

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We just signed Mike Williams... no idea what I think of that.

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[quote=Masshole;549684]We just signed Mike Williams... no idea what I think of that.[/quote]

He was born on my birthdate so he must be good :)

Mike Williams (offensive lineman)
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For the wide receiver, see Mike Williams.

Mike Williams
Date of birth: January 11, 1980 (1980-01-11) (age 29)
Place of birth: Flag of the United States Dallas, Texas
Career information
Position(s): Offensive tackle
College: Texas
NFL Draft: 2002 / Round: 1 / Pick: 4
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2006
2009-present Buffalo Bills
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Michael D. Williams (born January 11, 1980 in Dallas, Texas) is an American football offensive tackle currently playing for the Washington Redskins in the National Football League. He was drafted by the Buffalo Bills out of the University of Texas with the fourth overall pick of the 2002 NFL Draft. Weighing 360 lbs, Williams seemed destined to be the anchor of the AFC's heaviest offense. But, in hindsight, many observers now consider the Tom Donahoe's decision to draft Williams to be one of his biggest mistakes as Bills GM.

While he provided fair run blocking on the right side, Williams failed to show a flair for pass blocking and remained an unpolished player. Due to continued woes on the Bills' offensive line, Williams was moved by the coaching staff to left guard in order to assess his talents on the inside of the line. This tryout, though, was cut short by Williams' semi-frequent injuries.

After the 2005 season, Williams was cut. He signed with the Jacksonville Jaguars on March 14, 2006 but was placed on injured reserve on August 29, ending his season.

[B]On April 24, 2009, he was signed by the Redskins.[/B]

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Drafting Oher or A. Smith and Mack sounds so great, especially with the players in O-line..

Samuels, Dockery, Mack, Thomas, Oher or A. Smith


I definitely would do this, even if it means trading our 2010 1st rd.. Like Sfredskins said, it would solidify the line for years, except maybe we would need a G in two years? Not only this benefits the offense, but we would be able to give JC all time he needs in the pocket.. I'm pretty sure this would help our offense a lot..

Edit: I normally don't like the idea of trading future picks, but this one just sounds so good; I cannot resist it..

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[quote=GridIron26;549691]Drafting Oher or A. Smith and Mack sounds so great, especially with the players in O-line..

Samuels, Dockery, Mack, Thomas, Oher or A. Smith


I definitely would do this, even if it means trading our 2010 1st rd.. Like Sfredskins said, it would solidify the line for years, except maybe we would need a G in two years? Not only this benefits the offense, but we would be able to give JC all time he needs in the pocket.. I'm pretty sure this would help our offense a lot..

Edit: I normally don't like the idea of trading future picks, but this one just sounds so good; I cannot resist it..[/quote]

It makes more sense than blowing your wad on a QB with one year starting.

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I would much rather give up picks for SFREDSKIN's proposed line than for Sanchez.

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[quote=SmootSmack;549211][B]Well, I think as fans we're as a whole remarkably impatient. [/B]Why isn't Rinehart starting? Why isn't Devin Thomas leading the league in receiving yards? But that's fine I guess. We can be impatient, but Snyder and co. don't need to be. They don't need to be fans or listen to the fans. They're supposed to be the voices of reason against the fans' insanity. That's why I find it amusing how people complain how the Redskins don't care or listen to the fans. That's not what I want them doing.[/quote]

Nobody requires as much patience as Redskins fans.