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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;548523]
HOW-EVAH, based on last year and what we saw on the field of play on Sundays, the Skins might - I said might - have Rod Gardner II on their roster as we speak. [B]Malcom Kelly dropped several balls that hit him on both hands. So, looking forward, how long does Kelly get before having that label hung on him permanently?[/B] [I'm not ready to do it just yet, but the drops were there last year on Sunday when it mattered...][/quote]

It was just bizarre too cuz in college Kelly had very good hands, often pulling in the ball w/ defenders in his face and whatnot. So basically his regression in this facet, and i damn well know i'm right here, is directly linked to Stan Hixon. That's right, the only WR coach in football to teach his players dropping half your passes is a solid day's work :)

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[quote=dmek25;548282]i cant believe you guys don't want Edwards? i don't , either. but when it comes to someone else's trash, we always seem to be first in line[/quote]

I agree we dont need Edwards . The Edwards is the only playmaker on the Browns roster, with no longer have K2. You would think the Browns would want to keep their best offensive player. If the Browns don't wont him there is no way the Redskins should trade for him. The Browns have to know more about him then any other team.

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[quote=Mattyk72;548511]Fail.[/quote]


Then Like I said Matty ...you guys take him.We just got rid of a prima donna reciever and we don't need another TO type ...that is all about me and not the team.Boldin(speed ain't his middel name) had 1 good year without LF ,2003 as someone here said...............6 years ago and lets not forget the cards have not been a powerhouse for years .......things fell the right way for them.If I have to I'll take Edwards over Boldin anytime and twice on Sunday .What makes him(Boldin) good ....maybe having a QB that can't run or LF on the otherside to go to?

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[quote=Ruhskins;548516]An ass like the one you guys just released? I know the Giants are not known for having headcases, but between Shockey and Burress (and some may say Tiki) your team has picked up a couple of pricks lately.[/quote]


News Flash,all three had talent ,and all three are gone and the Skins would have taken all three,if you say no your a liar.

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[quote=saden1;548503]Your football knowledge creditability is in serious question...you might want to watch more Cards games.[/quote]

LOL...,un huh.

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[quote=Giantone;548557]Then Like I said Matty ...you guys take him.We just got rid of a prima donna reciever and we don't need another TO type ...that is all about me and not the team.[B]Boldin(speed ain't his middel name) had 1 good year without LF[/B] ,2003 as someone here said...............6 years ago and lets not forget the cards have not been a powerhouse for years .......things fell the right way for them.If I have to I'll take Edwards over Boldin anytime and twice on Sunday .What makes him(Boldin) good ....maybe having a QB that can't run or LF on the otherside to go to?[/quote]Ok, I'll bite.

Lets compare the two.

LF averages 5.6 catches and 78.6 Yards per game. AB averages 6.3 CPG(rounded up from 6.275) and 81.2 YPG. The only thing Fitz is better at it he has 6 more TDs than Boldin in 4 less games. That equates to a little more than 1 td a year. Last year though, Boldin actually had 11tds in only 12 games while it took Fitz 16 games to score 12 times. Boldin has 4 1,000 yard seasons to Fitzgeralds 3. People think Fitzgerald is way better than Boldin and the Stats just don't back that up. ANd lets not forget, he got his face broke in week 4 against the Jets and was back 3 games later. IMO Fitz IS the better receiver but not by the stretch that you make is sound like.

Boldin is one hell of a receiver. When the season came around he stopped complaining and played ball hard. He had one emotional outburst at his coach and now he is a trouble maker? Why isn't anybody saying that about Kurt Warner? He was in his coaches face after every failed 3rd down.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;548523]Smootsmack:

I hear they are offering a third round pick and the Chiefs want a second round pick. That's supposedly the hang-up on the deal.


Matty:

Agree that Braylon Edwards looks a lot like Rod Gardner II - - and to be clear, that is NOT a good thing. NO way the Skins should trade for him even if the asking price is a third and a fifth - - which is less than what the Giants are supposedly offering.

HOW-EVAH, based on last year and what we saw on the field of play on Sundays, the Skins might - I said might - have Rod Gardner II on their roster as we speak. Malcom Kelly dropped several balls that hit him on both hands. So, looking forward, how long does Kelly get before having that label hung on him permanently? [I'm not ready to do it just yet, but the drops were there last year on Sunday when it mattered...]


Everyone:

As I said elsewhere, IF the price for Boldin is a first and a third - - as rumored - - then I would not pay that price. Boldin is a fine WR; he is much better than Edwards. But he is not worth that price at 29 years old with an injury history that has only allowed him to play in 16 games twice in his six year career.[/quote]

Maybe you're thinking of Thomas, because Kelly was barely on the field. Either way it's too early to tell what we have in either guy.

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[quote=Giantone;548500]Golly gee,.........................he's an ass and like I said without LF he's not a #1[/quote]

I'll take a number 2 that can put up those numbers his rookie year :)

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[quote=Giantone;548557]Then Like I said Matty ...you guys take him.We just got rid of a prima donna reciever and we don't need another TO type ...that is all about me and not the team.Boldin(speed ain't his middel name) had 1 good year without LF ,2003 as someone here said...............6 years ago and lets not forget the cards have not been a powerhouse for years .......things fell the right way for them.If I have to I'll take Edwards over Boldin anytime and twice on Sunday .What makes him(Boldin) good ....maybe having a QB that can't run or LF on the otherside to go to?[/quote]

There was only one year he didn't have Fitzgerald.. :doh:

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I find it interesting that Fitzgerald said he would give up some of his money to help resign Boldin. Maybe having Boldin makes Fitzgerald's job easier? I think that says a ton right there.

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I am in no way advocating any trades, but I will keep saying I have concerns about Kelly. I think Thomas will be decent. It all depends on how we use him. He has speed and can get seperation, but until he learns the routes and actually performs them JC can't seem to trust him.

Kelly on the other hand has my concern due to his knees. What is degenerative knees? Can he play with that issue? He had one surgery prior to last season keeping him off the field for half the season. He just had another surgery in Jan. They say he's supposed to be ready to perform come training camp but will he be able to? Will his knees constantly be a problem? If so, then we need another WR. Getting a bonified proven WR would eliminate some of the questions and then we can lean toward getting Thomas up to speed and hope Kelly works out for us. So what if we have several good WR's. Moss, ARE, Boldin, Thomas, and Kelly. We could then let Thrash go unless he is a pacifier for some of you.

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[quote=gibbsisgod;548560]Ok, I'll bite.

Lets compare the two.

LF averages 5.6 catches and 78.6 Yards per game. AB averages 6.3 CPG(rounded up from 6.275) and 81.2 YPG. The only thing Fitz is better at it he has 6 more TDs than Boldin in 4 less games. That equates to a little more than 1 td a year. Last year though, Boldin actually had 11tds in only 12 games while it took Fitz 16 games to score 12 times. Boldin has 4 1,000 yard seasons to Fitzgeralds 3. People think Fitzgerald is way better than Boldin and the Stats just don't back that up. ANd lets not forget, he got his face broke in week 4 against the Jets and was back 3 games later. IMO Fitz IS the better receiver but not by the stretch that you make is sound like.

Boldin is one hell of a receiver. When the season came around he stopped complaining and played ball hard. He had one emotional outburst at his coach and now he is a trouble maker? Why isn't anybody saying that about Kurt Warner? He was in his coaches face after every failed 3rd down.[/quote]

You forgot one thing that Fitz is better at - keeping defenses honest.

As I said before, Boldin is an excellent player. I am not knocking him. He can be your #1 as he showed previously. But he is not a speed burner. With Boldin as your #1 defenses can cheat a little against the deep ball. Defenses cannot cheat the same way with Fitz.

With Boldin as your #1, you sooner or later will wish for a better deep threat, as the Cards already showed by bringing in Fitz.

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[quote=Lotus;548640]You forgot one thing that Fitz is better at - keeping defenses honest.

As I said before, Boldin is an excellent player. I am not knocking him. He can be your #1 as he showed previously. But he is not a speed burner. With Boldin as your #1 defenses can cheat a little against the deep ball. Defenses cannot cheat the same way with Fitz.

With Boldin as your #1, you sooner or later will wish for a better deep threat, as the Cards already showed by bringing in Fitz.[/quote]

Just for the sake of argument Santana is our burner, so Boldin fits in perfectly with us. Again im not talking about giving picks, strictly as a player who could fit into the system.

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If we could get Boldin for a 2nd next year and a our 5th this year, I'd do it, but this is very unlikely since Arizona is asking for a 1st and a 3rd, but anything is possible on Draft Day.

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I am all for dropping back in the draft for more picks. However you have to have a willing participant to do that. My second option is picking at #13. However if it looks like we are going to lose out on a player that would make this team better then trade up.

What would it take to move up? Our 1st and what? Since the Cards are not getting to many takers wanting a 1st and 3rd would they settle for less or would the Skins give up next yrs 1st and this yrs 3rd?

I know, I know we would be giving up to much for simply two players. I hope it does not happen. I do have a bad feeling the Skins will try to move up for Sanchez unless they totally have me fooled. But I still have concerns about Kelly and think we need another big possession WR either through draft or FA. I hope I'm totally wrong about Kelly and he comes back with something to prove and healthy, but digenerative knees sounds like something that keeps getting worse not better. Plus it sounds like something that surgery will not totally fix.

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[quote=gibbsisgod;548560]Ok, I'll bite.

Lets compare the two.

LF averages 5.6 catches and 78.6 Yards per game. AB averages 6.3 CPG(rounded up from 6.275) and 81.2 YPG. The only thing Fitz is better at it he has 6 more TDs than Boldin in 4 less games. That equates to a little more than 1 td a year. Last year though, Boldin actually had 11tds in only 12 games while it took Fitz 16 games to score 12 times. Boldin has 4 1,000 yard seasons to Fitzgeralds 3. People think Fitzgerald is way better than Boldin and the Stats just don't back that up. ANd lets not forget, he got his face broke in week 4 against the Jets and was back 3 games later. IMO Fitz IS the better receiver but not by the stretch that you make is sound like.

Boldin is one hell of a receiver. When the season came around he stopped complaining and played ball hard. He had one emotional outburst at his coach and now he is a trouble maker? Why isn't anybody saying that about Kurt Warner? He was in his coaches face after every failed 3rd down.[/quote]

Kurt Warner has a superbowl ring,the injury against the jets wasn't lost on me.yet there is something about him ....the give me a new contract or trade me thing and lets not forget that the #2 man should be open and making playes when the #1 man is double and triple coverd...alll the time, and this was with out a running game to speak of.You say one outburst ....only one caught on TV from what people say at least 5 during the season and that includes during training camp.TO ME and this is my opinion only we have young talent that can play just as well given the chance.

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Oh well ,doesn't matter................

[LEFT][B]Another Report Says Trade for Edwards Unlikely:[/B] [I]The Daily News[/I] is reporting that the Giants are unlikely to acquire WR Braylon Edwards of the Cleveland Browns by trade. An unidentified source has told the paper that the Browns are seeking the Giants’ 1st and 3rd round picks in this weekend’s NFL Draft. The Giants are apparently offering their 2nd and 5th round picks. So unless one side blinks, there will be no trade.
A report on [I]ESPN[/I] yesterday said the Browns were seeking the Giants’ 1st round pick and DE Mathias Kiwanuka.
[I]The Daily News[/I] report also says the Giants are alos not expected to attempt to trade for WR Anquan Boldin of the Arizona Cardinals.
[B]Giants Interested in Moving Up in the Draft?[/B] According to [I]The Daily News[/I]‘ Giants Blog, several unidentified team sources have said the Giants are interested in moving up in the 1st round of the Draft.[/LEFT]

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[quote=Giantone;548881][B]Oh well ,doesn't matter................[/B]

Another Report Says Trade for Edwards Unlikely...[/quote]

You're right, Giants' news doesn't matter here.

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[quote=Ruhskins;548933]You're right, Giants' news doesn't matter here.[/quote]

lol

Win.

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[quote=Ruhskins;548933]You're right, Giants' news doesn't matter here.[/quote]

LOL..........oh come now,it matters.:laughing2

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[quote=Giantone;548842]Kurt Warner has a superbowl ring,the injury against the jets wasn't lost on me.yet there is something about him ....the give me a new contract or trade me thing and lets not forget that the #2 man should be open and making playes when the #1 man is double and triple coverd...alll the time, and this was with out a running game to speak of.You say one outburst ....only one caught on TV from what people say at least 5 during the season and that includes during training camp.[B]TO ME and this is my opinion only we have young talent that can play just as well given the chance[/B].[/quote]
Like Who? Manningham? He got injured early and was never a fatcor. Moss? You guys don't dress him on gamedays even when he is healthy(which hasn't been often). He made it on the field last season some in garbage time and put up some nice numbers but it was just that, garbage time. I do like Smith but he is nowhere close to AB. You WRs are a joke and if you don't do something about it, its not going to be pretty.

And yes, I know the Redskins WRs are not worldbeaters but comparing the your guys to AB is a joke.

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Question Giantone:
What do you want the Giants to do? Go through the draft for a WR or trade for someone? If you want to go the draft route, who do you like?

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Why do Redskins fans give a sh*t what the Giants do with their draft picks unless our team is going to benefit. We better worry about what the heck our Front Office Ex. are going to do on Draft day.

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[quote=skins89moss;549111]Why do Redskins fans give a sh*t what the Giants do with their draft picks unless our team is going to benefit. We better worry about what the heck our Front Office Ex. are going to do on Draft day.[/quote]Are you asking me? I just want to know what Giantone thinks.

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Not unless Edwards suddenly learns to catch again. The Redskins already have enough WRs with that problem.

Sorry for the venom, but Braylon was my fantasy bust this past year and cost me the title.

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[quote=Zerohero;548760]Just for the sake of argument Santana is our burner, so Boldin fits in perfectly with us. Again im not talking about giving picks, strictly as a player who could fit into the system.[/quote]

Yup, you are right. But talk earlier in the thread concerned whether Boldin was a true #1. And notice that, if your argument is correct, this means we can't trade Moss for Boldin as some suggested.

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[quote=gibbsisgod;549110]Question Giantone:
What do you want the Giants to do? Go through the draft for a WR or trade for someone? If you want to go the draft route, who do you like?[/quote]

Personally I want them to draft a youngster and go that rout.I like the kid from NC... Hackeem Nicks I think his name is ,good speed ,good hands and a vertical leap that can rivel LaBron's(joke )..........You are right about our youngsters but remember they didn't get on the field becuase of Plax and Toomer both are gone and two must step up and we also have Tyre...who is more special teams but can also play WR.I also would not be sad if they got the big TE to help Boss ...Petegrew (sp)I think his name is.

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[quote=skins89moss;549111]Why do Redskins fans give a sh*t what the Giants do with their draft picks unless our team is going to benefit. We better worry about what the heck our Front Office Ex. are going to do on Draft day.[/quote]

Becuase it's normal to be interested in you divison opponents and what they are up to.Except for a few Exstreme skin rejects(:silly:) ......I would say 99.9 % of eveyone here has a good clasp of football knowledge.Remember what you guys do could affect what we do,just food for thought.:food-smil

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[quote=Giantone;549703]Personally I want them to draft a youngster and go that rout.I like the kid from NC...[B]Nix[/B] I think his name is ,good speed ,good hands and a vertical leap that can rivel LaBron's(joke )..........You are right about our youngsters but remember they didn't get on the field becuase of Plax and Toomer both are gone and two must step up and we also have Tyre...who is more special teams but can also play WR.I also would not be sad if they got the big TE to help Boss ...Petegrew (sp)I think his name is.[/quote]

Hackeem Nicks-#88-WR

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[quote=Giantone;548842]Kurt Warner has a superbowl ring,the injury against the jets wasn't lost on me.yet there is something about him ....the give me a new contract or trade me thing and lets not forget that the #2 man should be open and making playes when the #1 man is double and triple coverd...alll the time, and this was with out a running game to speak of.You say one outburst ....only one caught on TV from what people say at least 5 during the season and that includes during training camp.TO ME and this is my opinion only we have young talent that can play just as well given the chance.[/quote]

Gibbsisgod is right. Giantone, you guys are not looking pretty at WR without Plax, development of the younger ones or not.

Nicks looks like a good prospect but if you think that Boldin is slow...Nicks is not gonna be the field stretcher than you guys need.

You guys had better find a speedy WR upgrade or defenses next year will be inching towards the line and taking away those holes that Jacobs has enjoyed. Without a speedster your passing game AND running game will take hits.

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Boldin + a little speedy guy will be okay IMO. Edwards is (still) a project in the works and has yet to prove a thing. Boldin could serve as a possession receiver and Moss's bro, Manningham, etc... could serve as a slightly speedier slot option. All the Giants would then need is an outside guy to bomb it out to... Either way, we will have them dialed down pretty well with our secondary ;-)

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I think the players that alway intrigue me is the kids of previous players or coach's. ie; Robiskie. They had him on the NFL network talking with him and he seems like a good guy and probably decent player. Said he had decent hands.

I see Aaron Kelly from Clemson and wonder if he's related to our Kelly. lol. perhaps younger brother? most likely not. Funny if we picked him up in late round and had 2 Kelly's on the team.

Greg Orton from Purdue. Any relation to Kyle Orton?

You all get my point. Do any of you know of any other players who have siblings coming out in this yrs draft like Dockery? or kids like Robiskie?

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Also theres a

Dominick Goodman from Cincinnati

and a

Dominiko Goodman from Georgia

are they brothers? both WR's expected to not be drafted.

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[quote=WaldSkins;549713]Hackeem Nicks-#88-WR[/quote]


Thank You.........:)

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[quote=Giantone;549937]Thank You.........:)[/quote]

Well the Giants do have some young WR , not to mention David Tyree who did not play all year. Was he just a Super Bowl 1 catch wonder? Well the Giants I dont like any othe NFC East teams but i do respect how they play defense. They served us our lunch twice and the second time they didnt have Plax Burress. That game our defense looked over match just like our offense. I still believe the G-Men and Eagles are the teams to worry about in the NFC East for us. Dallas lost T.Owens and that will hurt their offense this year. G-Men why take B. Edwards when you can get A.Bouldon.

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[quote=Giantone;549703]Personally I want them to draft a youngster and go that rout.I like the kid from NC... Hackeem Nicks I think his name is ,good speed ,good hands and a vertical leap that can rivel LaBron's(joke )..........You are right about our youngsters but remember they didn't get on the field becuase of Plax and Toomer both are gone and two must step up and we also have Tyre...who is more special teams but can also play WR.I also would not be sad if they got the big TE to help Boss ...Petegrew (sp)I think his name is.[/quote]I have heard the Name Robiske(Sp) for the Giants alot. Nicks on the other hand played in a pro style O for Butch Davis and could be good for you guys. Anyway, enjoy the draft.