Re: Your thoughts "IF" Shanahan were to replace Zorn in 2010
 

[quote=SBXVII;548026]As a side note:

Bill Cowher
[B]Born:[/B] May 8, 1957 (1957-05-08) (age 51)
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crafton,_Pennsylvania"][COLOR=#0000ff]Crafton, Pennsylvania[/COLOR][/URL]

Jim Zorn
[B]Born:[/B] May 10, 1953 (1953-05-10) (age 55)
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whittier,_California"][COLOR=#0000ff]Whittier, California[/COLOR][/URL]

Mike Shanahan
Date of birthAugust 24, 1952 (1952-08-24) (age 56)

Jon Gruden
Date of birthAugust 17, 1963 (1963-08-17) (age 45)

To be honest with you they all are about the same age other then Gruden but he's only 5 or 6 yrs off Cowher.[/quote]

They are all the same age but Zorn hasnt been through the meat grinder like the others have.

Re: Your thoughts "IF" Shanahan were to replace Zorn in 2010
 

[quote=irish;548043]They are all the same age but Zorn hasnt been through the meat grinder like the others have.[/quote]

That was my feeling as well. I would much rather give Zorn a fairly comfortable 5 yr window, but of course, I also would keep JC as qb, so I don't know that my thoughts are in line with the FO right now.

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Perhaps the meat grinder has created wisdom? Perhaps the meat grinder has shown what works and what doesn't. Instead of creating our own meat grinder and sending Zorn through it we could trade out for a coach that knows what it takes to get to the SB and hopefully not go through the meat grinder again.

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Zorn is God.

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If this was Zorn's fifth year and we didn't go deep into the play-offs then i'd welcome it. Since it's his second year with his first being so-so then no, I'm not cool with it. Give the man some time.

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well, if i have already given up on zorn, which i haven't, i would get in this order

cowher
Shanahan
holmgren
gruden

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Article is moronic. THe Cutler ordeal, should have folks in the know by now in that they should see the handwriting is on the wall for Zorn and/or JC. It is now apparent that the Danny has made it known that it is playoffs or bust for these two(at least one of them anyway). Personally I would like to see Zorn get 3 years, but then again if he just plain isn't getting anywhere with JC and co it probably won't matter if he did stick arround for year #3. And in fairness to the Danny, if this season is mediocre, I myself would be tempted to pull the plug on this WCO nonsense also. IF we are even thinking about keeping JC, we should get a Run N gun or something that plays to his cannon arm, not shorter stuff, or if we decide to go after McCoy or Bradford. WCO is old news!!!!!

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Cowher. Ughh.

I'll never understand the hype about him. He's an overblown, overrated guy who took forever to win, lost a bunch of home playoff games, and benefitted from a well run franchise that had a front office with brains.

He will do nothing but be a let down to whichever team overpays for him.

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If I owned the team I would 1) lure Parcells here in whatever capacity he desires 2) leave the rest to him. I mean it. This IMO is the only worthwhile "startover" scenario.

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[quote=The Goat;548189]If I owned the team I would 1) lure Parcells here in whatever capacity he desires 2) leave the rest to him. I mean it. This IMO is the only worthwhile "startover" scenario.[/quote]


NEver will happen with Snyder Goat. Marty actually has a fire lit under his 2000 team and Snyder still couldn't relinquish control. I agree with you, but Snyder would committ hari cari before that would happen. IF I was owner I might try and make amends woth Marty if he still wanted to coach.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;548194]NEver will happen with Snyder Goat. Marty actually has a fire lit under his 2000 team and Snyder still couldn't relinquish control. I agree with you, but Snyder would committ hari cari before that would happen. IF I was owner I might try and make amends woth Marty if he still wanted to coach.[/quote]

I know...but I've spent a fair bit of time dreaming about how things could be different since the Sanchez thing forced me to leave reality LOL.

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Maybe we're going to draft Sanchez and bring in Dan Reeves!! (if I remember right, Reeves was helping him prepare for the pros earlier this year)

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oh god. dont even kid about that

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[quote=Beemnseven;548126]Cowher. Ughh.

I'll never understand the hype about him. He's an overblown, overrated guy who took forever to win, lost a bunch of home playoff games, and benefitted from a well run franchise that had a front office with brains.

He will do nothing but be a let down to whichever team overpays for him.[/quote]

I totally agree. Cowher was all but gone and then Ben R came along and he finally had a QB to get the team over the hump.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;547799]Of course this would IMO only depend on how this season unfolds. Your early thoughts on Shanahan.

Do you think the SKINS make a play for him next season. With all the recent Cutler noise it certainly makes you wonder if he isn't already in the forefront of Dan's thinking/hiring OR wish list process?

And does Zorn really have a fair chance to succeed here in DC?

Your thoughts?

[B][URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/20/shanahan-eventually-to-surface-with-skins/"]Shanahan Eventually To Surface With ‘Skins?[/URL][/B]

Posted by Mike Florio on April 20, 2009, 9:59 p.m.
As the [URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/#"]Washington Redskins[IMG]http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif[/IMG][/URL] continue to prepare for the second year of the Jim Zorn era, we’re hearing ongoing chatter that, come 2010, the head coach of the team will be former Broncos coach Mike Shanahan.
Of course, the ‘Skins might not end up getting a clear shot at Shanahan. With Cowboys coach Wade Phillips entering the final year of his contract and a new deal unlikely, Jerry Jones likely will be looking for a new head coach, too.
In the end, Shanahan’s final destination might come down to money. Specifically, the question will be the extent to which any team is willing to exceed the $7 million that Shanahan is due to receive from the Broncos regardless of whether he works next season.
So maybe, just maybe, the team’s flirtation with USC quarterback [URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/#"]Mark Sanchez[IMG]http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif[/IMG][/URL] has less to do with making an impact in 2009, and more to do with helping set the table for Shanahan in 2010.[/quote]

I wish Synder wasn't such a coward.
[B][I]If[/I][/B] he wants to bring Shanahan in then why wait?
He should have Shanahan on the staff as a consultant or advisor or QB coach right away then traded for Cutler.

I don't like it, because its not the right way to go about business.

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[quote=30gut;548343]I wish Synder wasn't such a coward.
[B][I]If[/I][/B] he wants to bring Shanahan in then why wait?
He should have Shanahan on the staff as a consultant or advisor or QB coach right away then traded for Cutler.

I don't like it, because its not the right way to go about business.[/quote]

Wow, Snyder is a coward, because "chatter" says that Shanahan will be the HC in 2010. Come on, that is ridiculous.

And bringing Shanahan in now would only be more ridiculous. Not to mention, Shanahan is not interested in being with a team this year.

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My hope is that coach Zorn is our guy for years to come! I am sick of getting a new head guy every few years. To started over again and again is getting old! Let's started doing things the right way by drafting good young players and getting him players he needs to win! I really hope Shanahan is not here a year from now because this could get really bad fast!

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[quote=30gut;548343]I wish Synder wasn't such a coward.
[B][I]If[/I][/B] he wants to bring Shanahan in then why wait?
He should have Shanahan on the staff as a consultant or advisor or QB coach right away then traded for Cutler.

I don't like it, because its not the right way to go about business.[/quote]

Maybe because these rumors are just... rumors.

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[quote=Mattyk72;548349]Maybe because these rumors are just... rumors.[/quote] I hope you are right! But these things seem to be true when it comes to Danny S!

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Snyder has the football equivalent of ADD/ADHD.

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[quote=Soup's Uncle;547893]I like Jim Zorn, and I want to see him get a fair shot.[/quote]

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I would agree. Zorn deserves a fair shot. This constant shuffling of coaches/philosophies and brewing QB controversies is never going to lend itself to making this a stable team and in my opinion a contender.

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[quote=backrow;547882]We can blame Dan Snyder for everything now![/quote]

That'll get him Marty'd!

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[quote=SmootSmack;547911]I think Shanahan will be in Dallas, but if he replaced Zorn I'd be curious to know if he's replacing Cerrato too, and if that's a good thing?

[B]Also, how would Portis feel?[/B][/quote]

Maybe happy, who knows.. Danny still signs the checks

edit: Just realized what you meant; I don't really recall Portis' beef with Shanahan

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I think the lack of continuity of coaching and systems (mainly offensive) is NOT about giving any one person a fair shot.

It's more of a lack of commitment. And without any real lasting commitment, there won't be any real success. I think the instability and lack of continuity is a result of not committing to any decisions that they (Snyder and Cerrato) have made.

Once they really commit to their decisions, that's when everyone will see the stability (and then growth) that everyone wants for the team and organization.

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One of the things that Jerry Jones said that always made sense was when he talked about getting coaches who hadn't won a Super Bowl as those are usually the ones that are more motivated. Then again I'm sure Shannahan would have plenty of motivation after a year off and 10+ years since he won the Super Bowl. Though I wonder how Portis would feel about playing for Shannahan again. Also would be curious to see if Shannahan could pry Alex Gibbs away from Houston should Buge's retire.

Either way it seems like a logical fit especially if we draft Sanchez. Plus I'm sure that Shannahan would be more then happy to not only take Snyder's money but take his place in the structure the FO had under Gibbs, with Vinny playing head scout, Shannahan playing Coach and GM, and Snyder playing final decision maker.

In short though, I definitely but only if Zorn messes up.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;548476]One of the things that Jerry Jones said that always made sense was when he talked about getting coaches who hadn't won a Super Bowl as those are usually the ones that are more motivated. Then again I'm sure Shannahan would have plenty of motivation after a year off and 10+ years since he won the Super Bowl. Though I wonder how Portis would feel about playing for Shannahan again. Also would be curious to see if Shannahan could pry Alex Gibbs away from Houston should Buge's retire.

Either way it seems like a logical fit especially if we draft Sanchez. Plus I'm sure that Shannahan would be more then happy to not only take Snyder's money but take his place in the structure the FO had under Gibbs, with Vinny playing head scout, Shannahan playing Coach and GM, and Snyder playing final decision maker.

In short though, I definitely but only if Zorn messes up.[/quote]

At least Shanahan would keep us somewhat in the same passing offense, wonder if we'd do more zone blocking in the run.

I think that Campbell would be more suited towards Cowher's system though