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JC's QB rating his first 2 years were in the 70's and last year a minimimal improvement into the low 80's.

Cutler's record as a starter is 17-20, correct. and how about that great Broncos Defense? What do you think the Redskins record would have been if the Redskins were not 5th in D, but 30th like Denver? probably 5-11 at best.

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Whatever, about ratings, and all the JC hate out there.

At this point in time it makes no sense to let JC go and start over now. So it just seems that JC must have more than one "jilted ex-lover".

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Campbell was 19th in QB rating last year
Roethlisberger was 24th


Rivers was first, Pennington 2nd for what it's worth

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=pass&sort=rat&league=nfl&season=2&year=2008]NFL Football Statistics and League Leaders - National Football League - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=redskins1974;544503]JC's QB rating his first 2 years were in the 70's and last year a minimimal improvement into the low 80's.

Cutler's record as a starter is 17-20, correct. and how about that great Broncos Defense? What do you think the Redskins record would have been if the Redskins were not 5th in D, but 30th like Denver? probably 5-11 at best.[/quote]Okay, but what about the fact that last year Denver had a better offensive line and better WRs than the Redskins?

How can you say that Denver's bad D was the reason for Cutler's record, while ignoring the fact that Campbell was under more pressure and had to throw the ball to arguably less reliable receivers?

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[quote=redskins1974;544493]I'm Very dissapointed we didnt get Cutler.

Campbell is a dissapointment year after year. Shows very little progress. Always in bottom 3rd of league in QB rating. Always a split second too late. He's not a team leader. He's 17-21 as a starter - Skins went to the playoffs one year because T.Collins finished the year 4-0, after idiot Campbell got us to 5-7. Statistics dont lie!

And yet people say keep giving him another year....amazing. Let see, the Detroit lions at 0-16 scored more offensive TD's and more points the Redskins last year. look it up! Redskins finished 4th in total Defense, Portis had a solid year, and we still finished only 8-8. There is only one underlying factor. Our deadbeat QB. I dont want to hear anymore excuses...the O-line, different coaches....BS. he's had enough time!

The broncos thought Orton brought more to the table then Campbell. (and they are probably right!) the redskins tried to trade deadass Campbell for a 2nd Round draft pick. Not one team was interested. Doesnt that tell you something?

I am a diehard Skins fan, but Campbell is not the answer-he cannot lead us to where we want to go. I really thought we had a chance at a franschise QB in Cutler. At least there is only one more year of this nonsense, and then we get rid of this loser. I made the arguement last year at this time, and everyone on this site said 2008 was going to be a breakout year for JC......yeah right.

Hopefully we can trade him still. i cant stand him[/quote]

I wanted Cutler more then just about anyone on this board, but it didn't happen. So now I hope that a 2nd year in this offense will bring improvement...and if it doesn't it's pretty clear we will have a new QB next year. I just can't imagine a diehard Redskins fan referring to Campbell as a deadbeat or a loser. It's one thing to think he is not the long term answer at QB...but that can be said without resorting to personal attacks.

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[quote=celts32;544518]I wanted Cutler more then just about anyone on this board, but it didn't happen. So now I hope that a 2nd year in this offense will bring improvement...and if it doesn't it's pretty clear we will have a new QB next year. I just can't imagine a diehard Redskins fan referring to Campbell as a deadbeat or a loser. It's one thing to think he is not the long term answer at QB...but that can be said without resorting to personal attacks.[/quote]

And I was 2nd on the board! But we got Campbell still and I am GLAD we do because he is a GOOD qb I never hated JC like some of these guys do (Redskins1974). My only problem with JC is that he doesn't fit our WC system, He was Avg. at best last year and I know we as a team have to do better in '09 or or Zorn and Campbell may both be gone, much less Campbell. Lets just wait and see guys Campbell may bust out in '09 simply because it's a Big Contract year if he does.

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[quote=SBXVII;544363]I'm sorry I could not read the article with his idea of how a meeting must have taken place. Several good things came from the whole Cutler issue.
#1. Cutler is not here.;)
#2. We have a QB with some class who doesn't wine.
#3. Maybe this will finally light a fire under JC back side.
#4. Maybe JC will show significant improvement this yr.
#5. If he does #4 then he can screw the Skins over for a big contract.

See all parties will be happy. If anything the pressure is on JC as I see it. If he blows this yr or plays half ass then the team won't resign him. It will prove some pundits right when they say he's not a #1 QB. and lastly he won't get his payday.

I hope JC is mad. I hope JC has something to prove. I hope JC lights it up and maybe then we will finally go farther in to the post season.[/quote]


I agree, but if he tries to screw over Snyder with an increased asking price, Danny probably will show him the door regardless. Unless JC and coach Zorn get us into the big dance, Snyder still might cut him.

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[quote=Mattyk72;544373]Attack? That's spinning some drama on the situation.[/quote]

Spinning drama? On a football site? I just do this for the pussy!!!!! Imagine the Drama in JC life. He gets paid for his job and has no hope of ever having a real job because he sux as QB, and the basket weaving classes anit gonna cut it. Dude is dumb as a post. And sux. His life must have been hell.

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[quote=Dblock804;544559]Spinning drama? On a football site? I just do this for the pussy!!!!! Imagine the Drama in JC life. He gets paid for his job and has no hope of ever having a real job because he sux as QB, and the basket weaving classes anit gonna cut it. Dude is dumb as a post. And sux. His life must have been hell.[/quote]

What the???

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I see Thirsty Thursday isn't just for us crazy collegiates.

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[quote=Dblock804;544559]Spinning drama? On a football site? I just do this for the pussy!!!!! Imagine the Drama in JC life. He gets paid for his job and has no hope of ever having a real job because he sux as QB, and the basket weaving classes anit gonna cut it. Dude is dumb as a post. And sux. His life must have been hell.[/quote]

Ummmmm......

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[quote=redskins1974;544503]JC's QB rating his first 2 years were in the 70's and last year a minimimal improvement into the low 80's.

Cutler's record as a starter is 17-20, correct. and how about that great Broncos Defense? What do you think the Redskins record would have been if the Redskins were not 5th in D, but 30th like Denver? probably 5-11 at best.[/quote]Probably 6-10. And then Campbell would be 15-23 career, or still pretty much about what Jay Cutler is.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;544513]Okay, but what about the fact that last year Denver had a better offensive line and better WRs than the Redskins?

How can you say that Denver's bad D was the reason for Cutler's record, while ignoring the fact that Campbell was under more pressure and had to throw the ball to arguably less reliable receivers?[/quote]

because it suits his argument. Some people dont want to see all sides to a story just the one that works for them.

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[quote=Dblock804;544559]Spinning drama? On a football site? I just do this for the pussy!!!!! Imagine the Drama in JC life. He gets paid for his job and has no hope of ever having a real job because he sux as QB, and the basket weaving classes anit gonna cut it. Dude is dumb as a post. And sux. His life must have been hell.[/quote]
blame it on the al the al the alcohol baby

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[quote=tryfuhl;544614]blame it on the al the al the alcohol baby[/quote]
I second that opinion..fo sheezy

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[quote=tryfuhl;544614]blame it on the al the al the alcohol baby[/quote]
Drunk and stupid. Never a good look.

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[quote=Dblock804;544559]Spinning drama? On a football site? I just do this for the pussy!!!!! Imagine the Drama in JC life. He gets paid for his job and has no hope of ever having a real job because he sux as QB, and the basket weaving classes anit gonna cut it. Dude is dumb as a post. And sux. His life must have been hell.[/quote]

later

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well, there are people like me who cant stand JC and others that like him. However, recent events display his declining stock value and what the rest of the league thinks of JC. Denver coach preferred Orton to JC, lol, and we couldnt unload JC to ANY team in the NFL for a 2nd round pick. that about speaks for itself. at least we only have one more year of him. hopefully Portis and the Defense can carry the load to the playoffs....

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[quote=redskins1974;544667]well, there are people like me who cant stand JC and others that like him. However, recent events display his declining stock value and what the rest of the league thinks of JC. Denver coach preferred Orton to JC, lol, and we couldnt unload JC to ANY team in the NFL for a 2nd round pick. that about speaks for itself. at least we only have one more year of him. hopefully Portis and the Defense can carry the load to the playoffs....[/quote]

What has he done exactly that makes you unable to stand him? I mean that sounds pretty strong.

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Honestly, its just lack of success of the team. Though not the only reason, the QB is the #1 position on the field, and plays a large part. A couple of our best runs in the last 5 years was when we ran the table twice to end each year and make the playoffs (Brunell, Collins) - not JC. Defenses do not respect JC. Do you think he can bring us to the Super Bowl? thats the question you have to ask yourself....

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[quote=redskins1974;544672]Honestly, its just lack of success of the team. Though not the only reason, the QB is the #1 position on the field, and plays a large part. A couple of our best runs in the last 5 years was when we ran the table twice to end each year and make the playoffs (Brunell, Collins) - not JC. Defenses do not respect JC. Do you think he can bring us to the Super Bowl? thats the question you have to ask yourself....[/quote]

So you never answered my question. What name were your previously posting under last year? Multiple accounts aren't allowed, so fess up and maybe I'll spare you.

To answer your question regarding JC I honestly don't know. I think in the first 8 games last year we saw what is capable of when supported by good protection and a good ground game. I definitely think we need to see what he can do in year #2 under Zorn. If he doesn't take a big step forward this year he will be gone next year without a doubt.

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this is the first time on this sight.....
when i was speaking of being on blogs last year, it was another site, Extremeskins.com

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[quote=redskins1974;544674]this is the first time on this sight.....
when i was speaking of being on blogs last year, it was another site, Extremeskins.com[/quote]

That's not what you said, you specifically said "this site"...

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it was not this site. my mistake if i previously wrote 'this site".

lets move on from this issue, there are more important things in the world to worry about.

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What do you say guys, thumbs up (live) or down (die)? You make the call.

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[quote=redskins1974;544677]it was not this site. my mistake if i previously wrote 'this site".

lets move on from this issue, there are more important things in the world to worry about.[/quote]

I disagree, there's nothing more important in the world! :)

Seriously though, if we applied that sentiment to everything on this site, the whole thing would just be shut down. It's just football, not war, but it obviously means a lot to those who take the time to post here.

Also, in my unbiased opinion, extremeskins is not a highly regarded site by the warpath faithful, and people here strive to be better than ES.

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[quote=Mattyk72;544678]What do you say guys, thumbs up or down? You make the call.[/quote]Thumbs up I guess, as far as letting him stick around.

I can understand what he's saying, but I don't completely agree with his logic. I'm not a huge fan of Campbell as a player but I do think there is still a good chance to he makes that jump to the next level this year if his supporting cast plays like it did at the beginning of last season. Think back to the long TD pass against the Saints at the beginning of the season (God that was a long time ago): he made a great move to avoid the rush; dipped his shoulder while keeping his eyes downfield; and fired the ball right on point to Moss. If he can make a play or two like that per game, and I think he can, we better pray that we can resign him.

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thats kind of my point....great QB's dont need the supporting cast all the time...they go out and win the games, even when other parts of a team are faultering... i remember the jc pass in the saints game, but i also remember games likes the steelers and cowboys at home, where JC had a deer in headlights look.

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[quote=redskins1974;544687]thats kind of my point....great QB's dont need the supporting cast all the time...they go out and win the games, even when other parts of a team are faultering... i remember the jc pass in the saints game, but i also remember games likes the steelers and cowboys at home, where JC had a deer in headlights look.[/quote]

Dude, we get it, you don't like Campbell.. If you want a thumbs up then don't be a one trick pony. Bring something other than 'JC sucks' to the board. What else ya got?

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[quote=Paintrain;544695]Dude, we get it, you don't like Campbell.. If you want a thumbs up then don't be a one trick pony. Bring something other than 'JC sucks' to the board. What else ya got?[/quote]

oh so we cant discuss things on this site?

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[quote=redskins1974;544687]thats kind of my point....great QB's dont need the supporting cast all the time...they go out and win the games, even when other parts of a team are faultering... i remember the jc pass in the saints game, but i also remember games likes the steelers and cowboys at home, where JC had a deer in headlights look.[/quote]

How many truly great QBs are there in the league right now? No more than 3-5 that I can name.

Fact is the majority of the QBs in the league need a good supporting cast, and there's nothing wrong with that. JC might never be a Brady, Manning or Brees type, but you don't necessarily need that kind of QB to be a winner. Even the greats have a good cast around them. Just ask Marino where being a great QB on consistently mediocre teams gets you.

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[quote=redskins1974;544697]oh so we cant discuss things on this site?[/quote]

We can discuss a bunch of thing[b]s[/b] but you seem to want to discuss thing (singular). Is your entire base of Redskins knowledge and focus Jason Campbell? You act like you walked in on him doing a two minute drill on your mom. Seriously, what else do you have? Portis? Hall? HB Blades? Samuels? Suisham? Draft? Any other opinions other than 'JC sucks'?

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[quote=Paintrain;544702]We can discuss a bunch of thing[B]s[/B] but you seem to want to discuss thing (singular). Is your entire base of Redskins knowledge and focus Jason Campbell? You act like you walked in on him doing a two minute drill on your mom. Seriously, what else do you have? Portis? Hall? HB Blades? Samuels? Suisham? Draft? Any other opinions other than 'JC sucks'?[/quote]

He's "new" I guess so we can cut him a break, but generally I agree, one trick ponies wear out their welcome pretty quick around here.

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[quote=Mattyk72;544699]How many truly great QBs are there in the league right now? No more than 3-5 that I can name.

Fact is the majority of the QBs in the league need a good supporting cast, and there's nothing wrong with that. JC might never be a Brady, Manning or Brees type, but you don't necessarily need that kind of QB to be a winner. Even the greats have a good cast around them. Just ask Marino where being a great QB on consistently mediocre teams gets you.[/quote]

So a QB gets drafted this decade in the 2nd round, in his first 28 starts he compiles stats of 29 TD, 31 INT, averaging right around 200 yards per game, 6.7 yards per completion, 79.7 QB rating while posting a sub .500 record. He's roundly criticized by his team's fan base for his lack of production, lack of consistency, accuracy and leadership abilities. Their was excitement was boundless when his replacement was sought, even though it was publicly botched. Any guesses who that QB is?









[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/drewbrees/careerstats?id=BRE229498]Drew Brees: Career Stats[/url]

The patron saint of not giving up on young QB too soon. Everyone in SD just knew that Brees was a bust and would be nothing but a journeyman backup (sound familiar?) but once his position was threatened by the Phillip Rivers trade he turned things around quickly. Possibly JC gets the same motivation by the "botched trade".

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[quote=redskins1974;544687]thats kind of my point....[B]great QB's dont need the supporting cast all the time[/B]...they go out and win the games, even when other parts of a team are faultering... i remember the jc pass in the saints game, but i also remember games likes the steelers and cowboys at home, where JC had a deer in headlights look.[/quote]

Well even Tom Brady had a very strong defense as a supporting cast the year before they got Moss, when he had no one to throw to except his tight ends; not to mention that he had one of the best offensive lines in the league.

Without checking stats and just off the top of my head, I would say that the top 3 QBs right now are: Brady, P. Manning, and Brees. One thing that I believe all of these QBs have supporting them are solid offensive lines (well the Colts line was a bit shaky at the beginning, esp. when Saturday was out) and very good wideouts (Moss/Welker in NE, Wayen/Gonzalez/Clark in Indy, and Colston/Henderson/Moore in N.O).

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so your allowed to make arguements for JC, but I cannot make arguements against JC...
i see how things work

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Nice post Paintrain. Instead of forecasting gloom and doom I think I'll do the logical thing and watch and see how Jason does in his second year under Zorn who is known for working well with QB's. Anyone who is [B]sure[/B] he's gonna fail is greatly overestimating their grasp of the situation IMO.

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[quote=redskins1974;544716]so your allowed to make arguements for JC, but I cannot make arguements against JC...
i see how things work[/quote]

I just think you can't come here and say "JC sucks" and be done with it. Then again this is a Redskins fan site, so I'm sure any argument against a player will be met with a rebuttal from someone.

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[quote=redskins1974;544716]so your allowed to make arguements for JC, but I cannot make arguements against JC...
i see how things work[/quote]

So far 99% your posts are about the QB spot. We're just wondering if you've got anything else to talk about. QB talk is something that gets beaten to death around here, so people don't have a lot of patience for it is all.

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[quote=redskins1974;544716]so your allowed to make arguements for JC, but I cannot make arguements against JC...
i see how things work[/quote]

You can argue for or against him, I really don't care. Just bring more to the table than one thing.

The good posters here, and there are many on both sides of the JC table, also talk about the other 52 players on the roster.

The fools that we deride and unmercifully haze are the ones who have a singular agenda and are tireless in pushing that agenda in every post.

Like I said, we get it, you don't like him, what else (if anything, which seems increasingly doubtful) do you have?